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Daily Lesson (Morning) February 5, 2025.

Part 1: Preparation to “Connecting to Lishma” convention - Selected Excerpts from the sources. #6.

Reader: Hello, we are reading selected excerpts from the sources, from the document “Preparation for the Congress Connecting to Lishma”. We continue from excerpt Number 6. You can find the study material on kabbalahgroup.info, on the Arvut system. You can also send questions live through those websites. Preparation Document for the Congress, “Connecting to Lishma”, continuing from Excerpt Number 6.

Reading: (00:40) 6. RABASH, Article No. 3 (1990), "What It Means that the World Was Created for the Torah"

The order of our work begins in work Lo Lishma [not for Her sake]. That is, when we begin to observe Torah and Mitzvot, we must believe even if Lo Lishma, since without faith, even if Lo Lishma, we cannot work.

Wherever the work is on the basis of faith, it is hard work. That is, only where the reward and punishment are revealed, the work is called “within reason” because we immediately see the results.

But when the reward and punishment are covered and we must only believe in reward and punishment, even Lo Lishma is a great effort. However, this is still not so bad because it is not against the nature of the will to receive for oneself. But if we want to achieve Dvekut, called “in order to bestow,” the body begins to resist with all its might, and it is impossible to emerge from the control of the will to receive without help from above.

It was said about this, “Were it not for the help of the Creator, he would not overcome it.” The advice for this is Torah, since “the light in it reforms him.”

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (03:19) Yesterday, we read this excerpt several times in the Ten and a question came up. The light works on a person from the moment he starts and brings him through many degrees of Lo Lishma. Then, there's also a critical stage, where it introduces a person into the state, he has to be in. Is this all considered the work of the light? Or is it something completely different?

M. Laitman: It's only the light that works on the person, on the will to receive; there is no one else who is operating. And all of the changes in the will to receive come only from the light.

Student: What's the difference between the many degrees a person is going through in Lo Lishma and the final degree? What is the difference between them?

M. Laitman: That's with respect to the person who feels that he's coming closer, and he also gets signs for that. Whereas, the final stage, then he feels that he's entering Lishma. Meaning that he has the power to do it specifically for the Creator.

Student: Then, you can say this is what he calls faith?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What is faith before that last stage? What do we call “faith” before that?

M. Laitman: You might say that it's partial faith, that it is faith “as if”, because this is all still measured within the vessels of the person. Whereas faith, Lishma, is already based on the fact that the Creator is revealed to the person and the person is already certain that he is in the light of the Creator.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (06:18) Can you say that the more resistance a person has, the more the light works on him?

M. Laitman: It's impossible to say that there is such a relation between how much the light works and how much the person works; it's difficult to measure that.

Student: Can you connect the body's resistance to come out of itself and the need for help from above? Can you connect the two: The more a person resists, the more he's needy of this help?

M. Laitman: No, no, there are many reasons.

Student: If that's the case, when does the light work the most powerful? Is it connected to the states a person is going through? Or resistance, not resistance?

M. Laitman: Here, there is a matter of the game and learning from the Creator's behavior with a person. We can't say that if it's more difficult for a person, then he's advancing. But, rather, nevertheless, the most important is to reach a state where it's clear to the person that he is giving as much exertion as he's capable of.

Student: A separate matter: There are states a person is going through, with resistance, without resistance, all kinds of states. And there's the light that works on him, unrelated.

M. Laitman: No, there is a relation, a connection, but it's not clear to us.

Student: I'm trying to find the connection, when does a person activate the reforming light in the states that he's going through?

M. Laitman: I don't know, I can't say that there is a direct, clear relation and that is the only way that it works.

Student: What's important to a person in the states that he's going through in Lo Lishma?

M. Laitman: What is important for him is not to lose his connection with the Creator. And all the time to be directed towards detecting the Creator in every state that the person goes through. That's it.

Student: The exertion to hold onto the Creator in any state that he's going through, that awakens in him the reforming light?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (10:08) How do you hold on to the Creator?

M. Laitman: Through the intention.

Student: We enter a certain action of connection between us, and we aim to give Him contentment. Does that mean we are holding on to the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Something that happens is that we mention this need to give Him contentment and why we need to give the action, to do the action. And then a few seconds later you catch yourself that you forgot about the reason that was at the beginning of this. You're with the friends, you're reading something, you're doing something. How do you ensure that you hold on to the Creator a bit more than a few seconds each time?

M. Laitman: As much as, in advance, you aim to be connected with the Creator. Then even if disruptions come, they cannot easily move a person from that place.

Student: How to turn this need to give Him contentment that we're talking about, to make it more and more real each time?

M. Laitman: Only through the intention, there's nothing else to do here. It's like with every game, the more you clothe in it, the more you advance.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (12:20) It says that they need to believe in reward and punishment. What does that mean?

M. Laitman: That whatever a person receives is the result of his exertion in the previous state. And this is how he advances.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (13:12) How can I express my connection with the Creator in that I don't want to lose my connection with Him? I feel that in relation to from Lo Lishma to Lishma - the difficulty in the work – is the lack of faith in the connection with the Creator. I'm asking, how do I ensure that I don't lose that connection?

M. Laitman: Like you're saying, that the most important is all the time to hold on to the Creator in your heart and in your brain.

Student: How do I hold on to the Creator through the friends because the Creator can be in such a way, that I receive the forces from Him for the friends. But, on the other hand, how can I receive the forces from Him through the friends? It's a two-way street.

M. Laitman: Nevertheless, as much as you're in an appeal to the Creator, a part of your exertion, nevertheless, is passed on in a way that you feel Him. You work with Him and that is the most important.

Student: As you just said now, if I feel that I'm working for the Creator, why is that considered exertion? I need to be happy, why is it considered exertion if I'm working for the Creator – we spoke about it in the Ten today, as well. You need to fill it with joy, with gladness, this gladness in the work from working for the Creator. Why does it need to be exertion, what is the exertion, here?

M. Laitman: Because it is against our desire, against our will to receive.

Student: What is the resistance of the desire? Is it found throughout the entire path, the entire way?

M. Laitman: No, but part of the path we have resistance to the will to receive. And later on, we have other disruptions.

Student: There are more disturbances than the will to receive? The will to receive is our foundation, it's our nature?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Which other disturbances can there be besides the will to receive?

M. Laitman: Besides the will to receive? That I cannot be focused on detecting in each and every state that my will to receive is there, hindering me.

Student: Detecting it depends on the connection with the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes, but it depends on the state that I'm in.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (16:49) I want to scrutinize the intention, if I heard it correctly. First, you have to aim Lishma in every action. Is that correct, to start this way?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: From this intention that this is the final goal, what does it mean to believe in reward or punishment?

M. Laitman: That for every effort I make, I receive something different from the Creator in terms of the behavior in each and every state.

Student: A person has to measure it, look for results in that?

M. Laitman: No, one cannot measure it precisely but, nevertheless, one can be in it, in detecting the direction, coming closer, or the other way around.

Student: What is he trying to detect? The direction? How, through each good action, he receives a reward and vice versa?

M. Laitman: How he's coming closer or becoming more separated from the Creator.

Student: Then, he says when the reward and punishment are rewarded, if I understood correctly, you have to cover them. If he comes to a degree where the reward and punishment are revealed, he has to cover them. What is the action of covering or concealing the reward and punishment?

M. Laitman: The act of covering is an act where he tries but the feeling of the response from the Creator won't really change the way he relates.

Student: Even if he feels that the Creator is going to complete his work, he doesn't stop in the middle. Is that what it means?

M. Laitman: I wouldn't say so, even when he feels that the Creator is moving away, he doesn't accept that as something that is necessarily, or real. But rather the person in such a way begins to build between himself and the Creator some kind of a system. Where it's not what the Creator thinks that the person receives, accepts. I can't really express it, but, well, soon.

Student: Maybe, it sounds like in every stage, he has to look for how to work in faith.

M. Laitman: That's clear.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:26) To continue, according to the excerpt, there's a degree of reward and punishment, right? Then in this degree when the reward and punishment are revealed, his reward and punishment are revealed, it only determines the measure of his exertion. The minute they are revealed, you have to exert less. When they're covered, you have to exert more because he doesn't see what he's about to receive. Beyond that there's no “in order to bestow” in this degree. The body didn't resist, yet there's no left line, there's no work with screens. The screen has not been revealed, is this correct to say?

M. Laitman: Let's say so.

Student: The work of reward and punishment is the work before the screen?

M. Laitman: Let's say so.

Student: Where are we?

M. Laitman: Each one should check.

Student: What does it mean? To keep Torah and Mitzvot, you need faith in Lo Lishma. How can there be work or faith in Lo Lishma?

M. Laitman: Indeed, it's a question: How can we be in such a state? But this is what is said.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (23:39) Is there faith in reward and punishment, also in Lishma?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: The meaning of reward and punishment changes according to one's progress on the path?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: A person has to depict different forms of reward and punishment, differently; the way it influences a person, and he has to change it?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Everything depends on the light. We have to believe in reward and punishment and the light influences us and changes us?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (24:28) He said to the friend, what is reward and punishment? That what a person receives as a result of his exertion in the previous stage, that's how he advances. That should be revealed to a person or is it better if it's concealed?

M. Laitman: This should be revealed to the person but there are states when it is concealed.

Student: What does a person prefer, to see the exertion in the previous state as a reward now? Or is it better that he doesn't see it at all? He, seemingly, is in control in the state?

M. Laitman: Yes, he wants to feel that he is in control.

Student: Where is the place for the Creator to dominate?

M. Laitman: When a person moves himself, the person makes room for the Creator to appear and by that, they connect.

Student: If it's revealed to him that what he's doing now is leading him to the next state. Does that mean that he's, seemingly, taking control of the situation?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: How? Doesn't it fall into some ego?

M. Laitman: Because to begin with his intention is: How will he have the right form with the Creator?

Student: The reward is not the revelation of the cause and consequence, but the reward is to, each time, renew, to agree to the control of the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (27:10) It says, if you want to reach Dvekut [adhesion], called in order to bestow, the body begins to resist with all its might. What do you do?

M. Laitman: What do we do? We keep going, we enter the struggle and then we see which forces are stronger.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (28:08) I don't understand what you're saying, I heard from you that the light is in absolute rest.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: All the changes are in the vessel.

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: What kind of struggle am I in? He is in “There's None Else Besides Him”. Who am I, what am I, what struggle? One time I did work with electricity, electricity is also a power, a force. I got electrocuted, so what, I got mad at electricity, I hit it, and I hit back. Who am I fighting, here? What does it mean to check who's more powerful? What kind of struggle am I actually in with the Creator, if the change has to be in me?

M. Laitman: Every change must be in you, and it depends on how you accept the Creator's behavior with you.

Student: What choice do I have besides submitting myself and walking carefully, to not get hit?

M. Laitman: You can walk without being cautious, and in that way, you also do not receive blows.

Student: Can I figure out the way without getting hit?

M. Laitman: No.

Student: Everything is trial and error? The one who is leading me is my will to receive, I do all kinds of actions and trials. I want to aim towards giving Him this contentment, even though I don't know what it is? And I learn what it's all about as a result of the blows that I receive?

M. Laitman: Well, let's say so.

Student: Blows are a blessing, it's what leads me forward; I need to be grateful for it.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (31:29) The Creator is operating on me, and I respond to Him, naturally, automatically according to my desire. I understand that I need to develop a different system of response, a neutral system. What is that system that I need to build which is not my natural response of the will to receive but a different system, a different response system. What is that response system?

M. Laitman: That it is above reason that you see that the Creator is behaving with you. The Creator gives us states in which we can discover our choice. And in that choice, we always reveal to what extent the person can be on the side of the Creator or on the side of the created being.

Student: What brings a person to choose the side of the Creator, to take the side of the Creator?

M. Laitman: What leads a person to choose the side of the Creator? It is the force of faith that the Creator is operating in each and every state.

Student: How does a person work from within this system of faith?

M. Laitman: That is his choice.

Student: Does he have that ability?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What does it mean? A person got a state, it doesn't matter which state. How can he respond in faith, work from that place? What is the meaning of choosing it this way, of working in this way? How do you see it?

M. Laitman: I cannot explain it. Soon.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (36:27) It says, without help from above, you cannot come out from the control of the will to receive.

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: How is the help from above expressed? How do you feel it?

M. Laitman: In that it is revealed, it helps the person to be above the will to receive.

Student: What does it mean that it will come?

M. Laitman: What is the condition? The Creator's will.

Student: What is in my power?

M. Laitman: There is nothing in your power.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (37:59) A person has a role in creation, one that the Creator, seemingly, can't do without. What is the role of a person in creation, if there is nothing within his power to do? Because he does do something in this creation? A person has a certain role in creation, right?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What is his role? What should he say about, this is my responsibility? This is the place the Creator gave me? When should he say that?

M. Laitman: Maybe, the fact that he agrees with the Creator being in control in each and every state.

Student: Is it correct to say that the power of faith is the ability of a person to complete the gap between man and the Creator and creation? There is a difference between these two parts, and man's role is to be the connector? The Creator cannot do it by Himself, He is only a part of it. So, He placed man to connect, to bridge these two parts? A person has to feel himself, that it's his responsibility between Creator and creation? It's his job to feel that these two parts are connected and working together?

M. Laitman: You might say that, yes.

Student: This is the force of faith that has to be in a person?

M. Laitman: Yes, this is the force of faith.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (40:35) What is the difference in the resistance of the body in Lo Lishma versus the resistance of the body in Lishma?

M. Laitman: Behavioral resistance?

Student: Resistance, the kinds of resistance that the body has in Lo Lishma versus the resistance of the body in Lishma. What is the difference between those?

M. Laitman: The difference is that in Lo Lishma. It's clear to us, the reaction of the will to receive, the response of the will to receive is revealed. And, in the revelation of Lo Lishma, it's seemingly the other way around.

Student: He says that in Lishma, the resistance is with the full force of the will to receive.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: In Lishma, a person feels the Creator, so what does the resistance, the full force resistance of the will to receive provide? How does it help?

M. Laitman: Because it's a form of revelation.

Student: Can we ask the Creator to take away the choice from the person? That, he just wants to decide, once and for all, to be in adhesion, that's it. What does this choice that the Creator gives the person, gives? He feels the Creator, already, so what does the choice give him?

M. Laitman: He has no work.

Student: He has the work of connection, inspiration. The resistance with full force threatens his very existence.

M. Laitman: Maybe it's the other way around. By rising above himself and raising himself above his decision that's, actually, his choice.

Student: Between resistance and adhesion, how can it be that something that is positive, accompanied with joy, excitement. But resistance, it’s with the full force of the will to receive. We feel it, I guess, on a small scale but, nevertheless, sometimes it sits on you for days. You need to perform some action, and it shrinks your heart, and you feel that you're inside this state. That doesn't seem like the way of the Creator that I was expecting, at least.

M. Laitman: Yes, but in spite of it you remain in the same place, and you don't want to come down from it. You don't want to let go of it until the Creator provides you with a different place.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (45:41) In the resistance of the body, it's no longer called reward and punishment, right? Seemingly, the person truly sees within reason how he cannot get out of the resistance of the body, of the will to receive.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And then, so he sees it within reason, and then he also has to believe above reason that only the Creator can help him.

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: Where's the Ten here? You also said to the friend before that one has to be either on the side of the Creator or on the side of the created being, that's the person's choice. So, where is the Ten?

M. Laitman: The Ten is in what a person chooses.

Student: In what a person chooses, what does that mean?

M. Laitman: As much as a person can hold on to faith above reason.

Student: Meaning, only through the Ten he can reach that state?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: If let's say, it seems to him that there is some decision that we need to take in the Ten and we cannot take the decision. It seems to him that the Ten doesn't really succeed in reaching something, which is together. So, what about that state? It seems like there is no Ten and there's no Creator, what should a person do in such a state? Meaning, he doesn't really see a Ten before him, it's like, it's either him or the Ten. What should a person do in such a state?

M. Laitman: Well, what do you think?

Answer (Petah Tikva Center): (48:52) I think that a person should each time enter, deeper and deeper, into his Ten and through it to see what the Creator is showing him. How is He, what is His attitude towards it? In short, through the Ten, that is the means through which the Creator is communicating with us, directly. Just inside a person, I don't have any connection with the Creator.

M. Laitman: Okay.

Answer (Petah Tikva Center): (49:31) I'll add that I think that in that state, a person must fight so that there would be a decision in the Ten. And see how he can add so that there would be this decision because if he doesn't have a clear concept of the Ten opposite him, he's simply lost. So, he must have the decision, so that the Ten will appear before him in a way that he is capable of determining – this is them, this is me – and then he can work. Without that, he cannot advance. He must reach that. He must demand of himself and of the Ten that they will reach a decision.

M. Laitman: Okay.

Answer (Petah Tikva Center): (50:19) Yesterday, we were in an amazing event that the Ashkelon and Netanya groups organized in Hamei Gush, warm tubs. It was truly like the Congress started. There were more than one hundred friends, there, and they gave away these notes. So, I took this note, it says: You should know that love is bought by deeds, by giving his friends gifts. That's the answer for everything. You're stuck with something; something is unclear about the Ten. A person should think about what can he give the Ten as a gift in thought, in action, in speaking, and the rest will be resolved. Just this part. What can I give to the Ten? Not, what do I receive from it but what do I give it? And then everything becomes clear - the will to receive, the way he objects or doesn't object. Just so that we have this thought, and if we don't have this thought, we should look for it. And indeed, thank you to Ashkelon and Netanya, who organized such an event. There were guests from abroad there, and truly we felt like the Congress started. It evoked a lot of positive energy. They didn't wait for anyone or anything. They simply took it and started; they gave us a gift!

M. Laitman: Great, that's really a gift, that's truly a gift!

Question (Latin 1): (51:56) How do we build faith within us?

M. Laitman: How?

Student: How do we build faith within us?

M. Laitman: I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.

Student: Is that even something that a person builds? Or can he only receive it from above?

M. Laitman: Yes, but he wants to add, he can do it, he can't do it. He scrutinizes what to do, and as much as the Creator is revealed, it helps him.

Reading: (54:04) 7. RABASH, Article No. 218, "Israel Are the Sons of Kings" Twice

Sometimes, “I the Lord, who dwells with them in the midst of their Tuma’a [impurity],” meaning that even when they still do not have Kelim that are ready to be in equivalence, in order to assist a person in achieving this, he must be aided from above. This is the meaning of Lo Lishma, that the light in it reforms him. That light is called “The Lord, who dwells with them in the midst of their Tuma’a.”

This pertains specifically to one who wants to achieve Lishma but cannot overcome his body. Hence, he is given that light so he can defeat the will to receive and walk in the way of the Creator, which is bestowal.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (57:00) When does the light come? Let's say, in the Introduction to the Study of the TES, in the Sulam, it says that when we read the text, The Study of the Ten Sefirot, The Zohar – the light comes when we mention these names, then we awaken the light. Or the light comes when I'm in the Ten, and somehow, I try to connect cleanly and to bestow to the friends without any malicious thoughts. Or there is some state that a person is going through and he tries to justify the Creator? Meaning, can we say that through all of these efforts I draw light? Or, as Baal HaSulam writes, only with the text, when I see the opposite of the text? Is there a difference between them in terms of the intensity?

M. Laitman: There is a difference between each and every illumination that comes to each and every state. And we cannot divide and distinguish these appearances of the light with precision.

Student: Because it turns out that I find myself only a little time in a state, and that's how I understand also from other friends. I'm opposite the state of the Zohar or TES, and I'm reading it – I'm really trying, making an effort to decipher the words within my desire, as he writes in Item 155, in Introduction to TES. So, is it okay or not? Should we increase what we have? Or maybe it's enough what we have today, which is 20 or 30 minutes a day?

M. Laitman: This does not depend on a person; it depends on the light.

Student: Yes, but I can organize my way of life such that I can study more. And the question is, is it beneficial? We can study TES for an hour every day or the way we are doing it today is enough. And most of the effort should be in connecting in a Ten so that through this effort I do shine on myself some force that somehow restores me.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:00:11) When a person is in a tough state, what action would draw more light, if the person will bless it, will bless when he's in a tough state? Or if he will ask to change the state, his state?

M. Laitman: What do you think?

Student: Certainly, he should bless but if the state comes before you have the light of faith, what can you do, how can you reach a blessing? Ultimately, the work of the person is to bless above and below, to the person, to the Creator, and towards his stand. But still, there is also a request until the end of Correction. Until I will only see wholeness in every direction, I need to ask. And so, which action will draw more light, more light of correction?

M. Laitman: I guess, adhesion with the Creator.

Student: Adhesion with the Creator on our side, means to receive in order to bestow, this is inside the request. But it means that he will feel something in that place that we will give Him. But with Bina, there is only a blessing towards the Creator, how do we give to the Creator, not still through reception but through blessing, through the blessing. Which action will draw more light, if I ask: “Give to the friends the light of correction, the reforming light, give us the reforming light, please, reforming light”, again and again? Or, at some point, I ultimately should say: “Wait a minute, thank you for the opportunity to do work, to make contact with You”. Which action will draw more light?

M. Laitman: As much as, from where you are, as much as you want to come closer to the goal. The light works on you more; so, on the one hand, it's desirable that you will turn to the light from the state that's opposite to it.

Student: It depends on the order of the actions, maybe in order to make a restriction, I have to bless?

M. Laitman: No, no.

Student: How can I stop my egoistic will to receive in order to ask for Him? So that He will enjoy?

M. Laitman: Okay, more questions?

Reader: (01:05:08) He says, “I, the Lord who dwells with them in the midst of their impurity”. What does that mean?

M. Laitman: That even when a person is in the worst possible state, and he reveals his impurity, the Creator is with him.

Student: How does the person find Him?

M. Laitman: It's all done from above; that's the action of the Creator from above. “I am the Creator who dwells in them, within their impurity”.

Student: So, I am in impurity. How do I connect with the Creator who dwells with me in that impurity?

M. Laitman: There's nothing to say here; the Creator understands it, feels it, does it this way.

Student: Can I find him inside my impurity?

M. Laitman: If you're making a calculation about your action, then you can find Him. Otherwise, it's incorrect to say that He dwells with them in the midst of their impurity.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:07:36) What is the state of impurity?

M. Laitman: Impurity?

Student: Yes.

M. Laitman: It's not clear to us. Impurity is the opposite of the Creator, truly opposite.

Student: The will to receive is the opposite of the Creator?

M. Laitman: The will to receive is the opposite of the Creator.

Student: So, is that a state of impurity?

M. Laitman: That's a state of impurity.

Student: Yesterday or the day before, you talked about the fact that it's good for us to go to the Mikva [the bath]. What is the state of purity, how do we shift from a state of impurity to a state of purity? What is that state of purity?

M. Laitman: It's when we have to purify ourselves.

Student: And this action of dipping in a Mikva [bath], that helps?

M. Laitman: No, no, don't get confused; this is separately.

Student: So, what should I do? If I am in a state of impurity, the will to receive is a state of impurity, then?

M. Laitman: The way you entered into the state of impurity is the same way you have to come out of it. In other words, you cannot do any actions that are not in a proper way, qualified way. We'll talk about it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:09:41) What does it mean when he writes that the reforming light is called “the Lord to dwell with them in the midst of their impurity”?

M. Laitman: Because the light comes from their impurity; and nevertheless, they aim for it, for the light to come to them.

Student: In your answers today, I hear more and more that the Creator operates on the person, seemingly the light. I mean, the Creator is always first, He comes first, He does everything on you. You have no deeds.

M. Laitman: That's what I said?

Student: That was my impression. So, this is how He operates in us? I mean, I'm trying to understand where is the point of the person here in this whole process? What does he truly awaken? Or should he only be sensitive to how the Creator is operating on him, and he has nothing to do? He thinks that he's doing something, drawing light, correcting – none of this. He should only be sensitive to the way the upper force works on him?

M. Laitman: What's important for us is when a person attains the upper force. And how does he want the upper force to orient him.

Student: What does it mean, he attains the upper force? He discovers what?

M. Laitman: He discovers the direction, the upper force, the upper light is willing to orient him, position him.

Student: He has control over in which direction the upper force will turn him?

M. Laitman: He can control his desire.

Student: My question is does he really have control over in which direction the Creator will take him? Or does he only discover?

M. Laitman: No, here we can say that that's it, up to here. Of course, above that point the person has no say.

Student: I'm trying to understand if the active operation of the person is actually to be passive and be sensitive to how the Creator is operating on him? Or does he actually operate somehow?

M. Laitman: He acts to the extent that the Creator is acting on him.

Student: What does it mean to awaken the reforming light? What does the person truly awaken?

M. Laitman: A person who wants to determine the attitude, the connection, to the light. To the Light.

Student: Yes, and that determination, what is that determination that he determines towards the light?

M. Laitman: He can determine that this light brings him truth or lies.

Student: The way I relate towards the Creator, my attention towards Him in every state, it awakens the light upon me?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Without my attention the light doesn't work on me?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: It does work, or it does not operate?

M. Laitman: If you have the same attitude toward the Creator as the attitude that He has toward you, then of course you are close. When He works in you, He operates you.

Student: There's this constant movement, like a game: I operate Him or He operates on me, He operates first. There's this constantly, this dance, between us. When does it become one, that both of us are together?

M. Laitman: We are missing an action from the Creator, but this action is determined by the person.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:15:27) What's the difference between the Creator and the light that reforms?

M. Laitman: Creator is the force that operates creation; and the light that reforms is a means, an outcome.

Student: Outcome of what?

M. Laitman: Outcome of how we operate the Creator.

Student: So, in the light that reforms, the person is involved in there?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What in a person is involved in the light that reforms?

M. Laitman: We have to say, a desire.

Student: A desire to resemble the Creator?

M. Laitman: Desire.

Student: Desire altogether? Any desire activates the light that reforms?

M. Laitman: No. What we can identify in a person who is now working, this desire turns the person to a certain direction towards the Creator.

Student: And where does the intention come in here? Or what is the difference between desire and intention, or is it the same thing?

M. Laitman: There's no difference.

Student: When a person still doesn't have the intention to bestow, can that person understand which actions awaken more or less the light that reforms?

M. Laitman: Say it again?

Student: In the state that a person didn't reach equivalence with the Creator, he still doesn't have the intention to bestow. Can he even understand which actions awaken, more or less, the light that reforms?

M. Laitman: He can't.

Student: And that's on purpose, that way? It's not by chance.

M. Laitman: Right.

Student: So, a person needs to do actions, deeds, efforts, when he doesn't completely know which one exactly will awaken the light that reforms, more or less?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: In that, can we divide it into chapters? Let's say, working with the source, working with the friends, working in dissemination. There are all kinds of topics, here?

M. Laitman: Yes, but that's not really what matters. The main thing is what a person now determines.

Student: So, there's also a matter of a person's private state and the effort he invests in that moment, which is called, exertion.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: But in general, a person has to work even though he doesn't really recognize the connection between the effort and the result.

M. Laitman: Perhaps, he does identify the connection, but that connection is not the main thing, it doesn't determine.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:19:31) You said that a person needs to discern whether the light brings him truth or false. That's kind of what I heard.

M. Laitman: Yes, and?

Student: What vessels does a person have to discern whether the light projects truth or false on him? And how can he see the difference?

M. Laitman: He can discern the action of the light towards him, towards the person. Is he working in truth or in false?

Student: How will he know because the light, he feels it comes from above, supposedly, it should only be truth. But that, really, is a kind of game that the Creator is playing with him. So, he understands it, he knows it could go either way. So, really, how can he determine?

M. Laitman: Based on his truth.

Student: There really isn't any other way to determine?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And the Creator cooperates with this action that he takes? That He lets a person determine according to his own state if what he got was truth or false, that's a problem. But maybe that's really what the Creator is giving a person?

M. Laitman: This, we can't scrutinize.

Student: We can't know for now how to scrutinize truth and false that comes from above?

M. Laitman: No.