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Daily Lesson (Afternoon) September 26, 2024

Part 1 Rabash. Record 119. From Lo Lishma to Lishma

Shalom, we are reading the writings of Rabash, volume 3. Today we'll start from article number 119, From Lo Lishma to Lishma. You can find it on page 1,051. You can also find it on our website, Sviva Tova, and on Arvut. 

M. Laitman: (00:34) Read it once to us and then we'll talk. 

Reading Article: (00:37) From Lo Lishma to Lishma. 

There must always be a beginning; otherwise, it is impossible to achieve Lishma [for Her sake]. That is, one must believe that in all the corporeal lusts, meaning eating, drinking, and the rest of the lusts, as well as in pleasures found in learning external teachings, control, vengeance, and so forth, as it is written in general, “Envy, lust, and honor take a person out of the world,” in those pleasures there is nothing more than a thin light, as The Zohar says.

Conversely, great lights are deposited in Torah and Mitzvot [commandments], unlike corporeal pleasures, in which only sparks of the light of Kedusha fell.

Hence, Klipot [shells/peels] give one an awakening to enter Kedusha because they want to be rewarded with great lights. This is called Lo Lishma [not for Her sake]. Afterward, from this Lo Lishma, he can be rewarded with Lishma.

M. Laitman: (02:32) Read it again for us, please.

Re-Reading Article: (02:38) From Lo Lishma to Lishma

Question (Women Petah Tikva 23): (04:46) What pleasures are there in envy? 

M. Laitman: In envy itself, there is no pleasure. The fact that a man who feels that he is envious towards somebody reveals how much he is pulled towards the pleasures, towards the opposite to the ones that he feels that are in envy. Hence, the pleasures in envy, lust, and honor, and all kinds of kinds of pleasures, a man feels in it that if he will reach it, then he will have some true property. 

But when we truly approach them, come closer to them, we start feeling that all those feelings, all those pleasures that are hiding behind envy, lust, and honor, it's not that they are real pleasures, but they are needed only for us to pull ourselves from them. It's exactly the opposite. We will reveal how these pleasures are worthless. There's nothing real in them, nothing authentic, and we'll distance ourselves from them, and thus, we'll stay distant from these kinds of pleasures. Envy, lust, and honor are a source of pleasure, but at the same time, they do not contain inside of them proper pleasure, but they are only needed to pull us out from pleasures like this. This way, we are going towards the goal of life. 

Question (Turkiye 2): (07:56) What vessels does a person need in order to receive the upper light? 

M. Laitman: Vessels in order to bestow. By this, a person will be merited with the lights that are hidden in spiritual pleasures, and he will be able to advance in ascent more and more, and stronger and stronger. 

Question (Women MAK): (08:46) A lot of points in the heart come to Kabbalah, but not all of them realize it. What does it depend on, and what's the point, what is the point that becomes Israel? 

M. Laitman: When a person comes to study Kabbalah, they find themselves at a loss. On one hand, it is said that all light is in the Torah. The person is the opposite, is receiving an impression there's no light for him inside of him, he's confused. Therefore, he should be carried, so to speak, by his friends who will be reviving him and rising and pulling him forth. In this way, he will be able gradually to reach the spiritual lights. 

Student: What is the correct environment to realize this point? 

M. Laitman: It's what he wrote to us in this small article, that in any point that is attracting us with its animalistic pleasures. There are three sources, envy, lust, and honor, and we have to utilize them in order to, on one hand, be able to work with them, know how to work with them, and on the other hand, we have to distance from these sources.

Look what he's writing in the next to last sentence: “Hence, Klipot [shells/peels] give one an awakening to enter Kedusha because they want to be rewarded with great lights.”

So, Klipot themselves want to reach the light. Therefore, they push a person to enter those actions that have the spiritual light, and this is called Lo Lishma. Afterward, from this Lo Lishma, he can be rewarded with Lishma. So, basically, a very peculiar system is here in Klipot. They accumulate in themselves the spiritual pleasures, attainments, understandings, and feelings, and they attract a person to themselves, on one hand. 

On the other hand, they don't give a person these fulfillments from themselves, but they are kind of like irritating, and pulling a person, but this person achieves great desires and true yearning to connect with the Klipot. Afterwards, when he is connected with them, he starts feeling that envy, lust, and honor. It's exactly them who pull a person out of those pleasures, and a person, by this, does not fall into them, but the opposite. The fact that he was in Klipot actually helps him; it exactly helps him get rid of them. 

Student: How do I envy correctly to connect with the friend and attain his beautiful quality? 

M. Laitman: That's what we're talking about all of the time, that we have to be closer to each other, and in our common yearning to strive towards spiritual pleasures, so that we would be connected with each other, not through the desire to fulfill ourselves, but to use our desires only for the sake of bestowal.

Student: What is the spiritual envy of a true Kabbalist? If it's appropriate, of course. 

M. Laitman: The spiritual envy of a true Kabbalist is when he desires everything that he can to help his friends, and be in this, absolutely immersed in this, submerged into this.

Question (Women Spain): (16:14) The bodily desire, in most cases, can be more than the Torah. is that the reason why it is advised to get married and study the Torah after the age of forty? 

M. Laitman: No. No. Of course, there is something in it, but it's not the most important thing. 

Student: When you have a husband or a boyfriend, who is under the influence of alcohol or drugs, and he also studies Kabbalah, how do I help him, as my attitude towards it? 

M. Laitman: Relate to this in a negative form. It doesn't always help to relate badly, but at the same time, we have to show to this friend that he is our friend, first and foremost, and it doesn't matter to us what his attitude is towards these pleasures regarding alcohol, drugs, or something like this. The main thing for us is that he does not disconnect from us.

That's the main thing. We need to try and help him through other friends. Use all kinds of means, so that he would see how much we love him, and how much we don't like his negative qualities. 

Question (Women Hebrew 2): (18:44) I want to ask about envy. From Lo Lishma they come to Lishma. You need it from the very beginning, when you started studying Kabbalah, and you go through a process, how it manifests itself again. Does there have to be some kind of self-check to approach it deeper, or something like this? How does a person develop who sees the texts throughout the years, and he sees it again and again? What are the consequences? What would you expect from him after fifteen years, etc.? 

M. Laitman: It does not depend on a person. It does not depend on the one who I'm coming closer to, but rather it depends on me through what means do I come closer to Him? I have to look at myself, my qualities, the ones with which I approach him. How more spiritual are they than my yesterday's qualities? This way, I can check myself, how I become more corrected. 

Student: If I don't see any improvement in myself, so I'm similar to what was before. 

M. Laitman: Yes, it's a sign that you're stuck. Yes, you're stopped.

Question (Women MAK 98): (20:51) If a person is in Lo Lishma, what does the Klipot receive? 

M. Laitman: If a person is in Lo Lishma, the Klipot receive the light that comes to him. 

Student: So, it turns out that we're only feeding the Klipot, if we are… 

M. Laitman: Of course, of course, It is written so.

Student: Another question. What's more important, necessity or desire? Can it be that necessity is with the desire, or…? 

M. Laitman: It doesn't matter. 

Student: Is it the same? 

M. Laitman: Yes, it's the same.

Question (Women MAK 104):  Do we give pleasure to the Creator through our studies? 

M. Laitman: Yes. If you study to come closer to the Creator, that is called Lishma. Then you'll bring contentment upon Him.

Question (Women Europe 5): (22:30) In the spiritual, we receive a small amount of the light, and ahead of us are big lights, but with this intention, we won't receive them. Is this some kind of evolution from Lo Lishma to Lishma, or is it some radical opposite process, a complete evolution? 

M. Laitman: No, no, don't worry. Everything will come to a norm, will average out.

Student: So, under the influence of the light, it will happen gradually, smoothly? 

M. Laitman: Yes, it will be gradual. 

Question (Women KabU 13): (23:30) How should friends react when they realize that the Klipot control them through the friends? How can we cope with this? 

M. Laitman: I don't think that if a person checks properly by whom he’s controlled, that he would agree for a Klipot to control him through the friends. There's no such thing. The main thing here is to lower yourself all of the time, and the person will see how he will be able to change the Klipot to be using him, pulling him in all kinds of directions, or maybe the friends are pulling him to the side so that he would follow their path.

Question (Women MAK 25): (25:16) It is written that everyone starts from Lo Lishma. Are we allowed to use the energy of our egoistical desires to input into society? 

M. Laitman: No. Nothing good will come out of it. With the incorrect actions, you won't be able to achieve any result.

Student: Is it possible to say even though the energy of hatred, even though it's one of the strongest. It's very toxic and we're not allowed to use it? 

M. Laitman: No, of course. 

Question (Women MAK 51): (26:02) Does the transition from Lo Lishma to Lishma happen once or on every degree? 

M. Laitman: Gradually. 

Student: And on every degree is only one desire revealed for us to correct? 

M. Laitman: Every degree has different desires that reveal themselves and that define the degree. 

Student: And on each degree, we start from envy, lust and honor, or is it only at the beginning of the path? 

M. Laitman: It's all changing. 

Question (Women MAK 113): (26:54) He said that we have a desire to connect to the Klipa. How do we connect to the Klipot before sanctity? 

M. Laitman: It's not for us yet. 

Student: So, this is before Lo Lishma. 

M. Laitman: We're on the way to getting to Lo Lishma. 

Question (Women MAK 53): (27:34) What can we offer to humanity so they envy us and join us? 

M. Laitman: All that we know. We have to tell everyone about all and try to attract them to our groups, our Tens. You will see that this way we will advance, and they will advance too.

We'll connect together. 

Question (Women Turkiye 7): (28:21) What is the reason for which a person can stay in Lo Lishma and not get into Lishma? 

M. Laitman: Laziness, sloth, lack of motivation. That's it. In fact, the person does not understand yet that he is on a special path to rise above nature. 

Student: Another question. In order for us to attract the reforming light, we have to first have a vessel of bestowal?

M. Laitman: Yes. Of course, of course, certainly. 

Student: Another question. We are getting corrected while we are in the state of Lo Lishma. What is the difference between the corrections of Lishma and Lo Lishma? 

M. Laitman: Our path receives certain shinings from above. This light that is shining gives us, in the beginning, a rejection for the sake of bestowal, more and more and more, until I start to see that I have such desires to receive inside of me with which I certainly don't want to be together anymore, and I don't want to feel them.

And that's basically the process that we go through, that we pass, until I come to the state that death is better than life like this. When I'm ready for everything, only not to receive any egoistical desires, not to use them, and by this I end Lo Lishma, and I detach from it. That's it.

Question (Women Italy): (32:14) We know the material joy and the sorrow that can connect us in the physical body and the soul. And for the spiritual connection, we have prayer and purposeful action. But how can this make us the same still launching in the Ten for the Creator? 

M. Laitman: For this, we have to see all the process that we go through, the whole process, and then it will be clearer for us. 

Question (Women MAK 36): (33:21) I see in myself a huge desire for honor, and it only grows. It seems like it's less, but it's actually getting bigger. We say we can't change the desire. Something needs to happen to my intention. What kind of intention should I seek to put onto this desire for honor? 

M. Laitman: You want to make it so that you don't get desires towards honor? 

Student: I don't know if this is right, but it gets in the way a lot in the work. Also, what can be done? 

M. Laitman: Only attract the upper light towards yourself, the only way, so that it would affect you and correct this desire of yours.

Student: So, this desire cannot be used for good? 

M. Laitman: No, you won't be able to use it for good. It's only through inverting it. You will get this option, but only after correction.

Student: And now what? 

M. Laitman: Now nothing. Try not to use it. 

Student: When we spoke of extra effort, will it be an effort if I want to ask a question? I feel that this is from my ego. Will it be an effort if I don't ask this question, but seek the answer myself? 

M. Laitman: Maybe so, but mainly you need to use it, meaning, you have to do so, so that you ask the questions on which you should build your further spiritual ascent. 

Question (Women Australia): (36:02) What is true spiritual envy? How is this felt? How is this perceived? 

M. Laitman: I don't know. I cannot tell you yet. 

Question (KabU 14): (36:45) Are the Klipot awakening for Kedusha? How do we reach faith to be able to overcome them, to go above reason and to do what the Klipot want. We know that the Klipot wants are poison. How do we not fear to take that poison and doing for others what the Klipot wants? 

M. Laitman: We didn't study it yet, and we are not able to do it yet, to receive a little bit from the Klipot in order to raise the sanctity above it a lot. We are not able to do it just yet. 

Question (Women MAK 97): (37:56) By overcoming envy, lust and honor, do we build a screen? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Can a person by means of a special awakening from above come to Lishma and omit Lo Lishma? 

M. Laitman: No, no way. The fact that we are merited to be in Lishma later is because we go through all the Lo Lishma before that. 

Question (English 1): (38:55) If the Klipot takes all the lights, how can we draw the light that reforms? 

M. Laitman: When we desire to rise above the Klipot, then we receive that light that reforms.

Question (Hadera 1): (39:39) Lo Lishma is attainment. Can a man know if he has attained a degree if we are not in Lo Lishma yet? 

M. Laitman: Yes, we are able to know that. 

Question (Women Spain): (40:25) As I understand from a friend's question, when we continue working in Lishma or Lo Lishma, this is a state or a means to achieve a revelation, attainment of the Creator? 

M. Laitman: This is a means to achieve it.

Question (Women MAK 26): (40:51) How do we not be afraid of turning to the Ten for help so that the friends pray for you? How to not be in a Klipa in this action? 

M. Laitman: We have to rise above our ego and ask the friends, plead to the friends and try and receive help from them in such a way that all our work would be based on that. 

Student: In this help from the friends, we expect it from the Creator, from the friends, or this feeling, if this has to do with something corporeal, it can be this Klipa that grasps onto us. How to rise with this feeling? 

M. Laitman: You rise with this feeling. Do everything possible just to rise above the Klipot. 

Question (Women Moscow 6): (42:15) You gave this direction in the morning lesson. When you were able to open your heart a little bit and reach the light, now is the time to work instead of the friends, to support the friends and work instead of them. So, what's this work instead of the friend, Rav? 

M. Laitman: The fact that you can take their tasks that are in front of them and solve them yourself.

Student: And in this case, you have to change the direction of the Ten. When I take this task of the friend, what do we change in the direction of the work of the Ten? 

M. Laitman: In this case, you change the direction. So, you change the goal, you collect your forces, and you act in the new direction. 

Question (Women MAK 19): (43:58) I have a question in regard to my confusion. When in the group I feel that the ego is imperfect. I come as a zero to the group, but I feel my ego, and in me there's this war with the ego. What do I do in this state? 

M. Laitman: Start working with your ego to such an extent that you would start rising in the steps and your ego will be willing to work in the opposite direction for the sake of bestowal. 

Question (Women MAK 56): (44:56) If we're not in Lo Lishma yet, where are we? 

M. Laitman: If you're not in Lo Lishma yet... So, you're in ego.

Student: You said that we haven't even come to Lo Lishma, so I'm thinking, where are we if we're not in Lo Lishma? 

M. Laitman: Still inside the egoism. 

Student: What will be a sign that we've entered Lo Lishma? 

M. Laitman: You have a possibility. You are able to stand in such a manner that you would be able to overcome your egoistical intentions.

Student: To be an observer, right? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Batumi): (46:04) My biggest pleasure is to be in a Kabbalah lesson, and I get huge pleasure, but as soon as I include the Creator in this picture, that I'm in the lesson for the Creator, and in order to give what I receive in the lesson to my friends. Is this Lishma if I come to such an intention in the lesson? 

M. Laitman: Yes, if you come to the lesson to fulfill the Creator, then this is Lishma.

Student: So, we can bestow even in the lesson when we are... 

M. Laitman: Answer inaudible. 

Question (Women MAK 85): (47:06) Is it correct to join the work of the Ten in the corporeal world and carry everything through the Ten? Is this a result of our work in the Ten? 

M. Laitman: Yes, you can do it like this. 

Student: So, it's our work to connect this, yes? 

M. Laitman: Yes, it's supposed to connect this. 

Question (Women MAK 45): (47:41) The feeling of honor and glory, I feel I don't exist in this because everything comes from the Creator. But if I perform this additional effort, thanks to the friends and the Creator, I manage to rise above the desire to receive. Is this the correct process? 

M. Laitman: It's correct, but you have to add more to it. 

Question (Women German): (48:32) Adhesion is stronger. Does this bring this thin light between the friends, from one friend to another? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Another question. Does unity through the light between us always act to the same extent or does it unite us? 

M. Laitman: Yes, of course, it's the light specifically that determines the measure of unity that you will be in. 

Question (German):  The system of Klipot? Do Klipot yearn for sanctity? 

M. Laitman: No.

Student: Question not translated.

M. Laitman: Klipot can show the man, the person, as if they're pulling him towards spirituality, towards sanctity, but it's just a part of the way. Then when a person is connected to them, then they pull him towards wickedness with all their might.

Student: There are some angels there that explain this and can I connect to these angels in the direction of the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: When we talk about elevation above the Klipot, is this elevation? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: How do I rise in this system through elevation above the Klipot? 

M. Laitman: Above the Klipot is when you use all the forces of Klipot in order to do something for the sake of spirituality, the sake of sanctity, holiness. 

Question (Turkiye 2): (51:48) Should a vessel filled with light try to connect with the light or try to repel the light? 

M. Laitman: Receive more and more light for the sake of bestowal.

Question (Haifa 1): (52:29) There is envy, like you taught us, that is healthy, that elevates us. Is it correct to awaken envy between us? 

M. Laitman: Maybe, yes. Maybe it is correct. Sometimes we use that. 

Student: If we see the opposite phenomenon, that a friend doesn't see this well, should we conceal it? 

M. Laitman: You have to leave it at once. 

Question (Women Brazil): (53:21) Is our work in the Ten used by the force of Klipot for our good? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: How do we work with the Klipot under control in the Ten for the benefit of sanctity? 

M. Laitman: You have to learn how to work. 

Question (Women Petah Tikva 33): (54:00) What does it mean that a Kli is full of light, it needs to receive more light for bestowal? What does it mean to receive light for bestowal? 

M. Laitman: I cannot explain. Use the force of light that wants to reach the light, and it has to be for the sake of bestowal. 

Student: For bestowal to the light? 

M. Laitman: To the Creator. 

Student: The Creator is the quality of love in bestowal. How do we give to this quality? 

M. Laitman: The Creator is the force that is above all the forces in the world. Therefore, we work for its sake. 

Student: So, we have to think about this force, that we want to give to the force? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: How can we do something good for this force? To become similar with our efforts, to become similar to it?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Women French): (55:49) In the article it says, he was not rewarded, and he feels death. What's the difference between death and lack of absence of meaning in the work? 

M. Laitman: The taste of death is when a person feels that he is about to use the Klipa, and by this therefore he will feel this taste of death. Basically, there is nothing worse, nothing lower than this. That's it.

Student: When we feel this taste, can we ascribe it to the Creator that there is nothing else besides him? In any case this is a correction? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Women Kyiv): (57:24) While we are not in spirituality and we can't work with elevated spiritual desires, can we, by using our very big corporeal desires, attract big lights even though it's all in Klipot, but learn to direct them at the spiritual at least for the others? 

M. Laitman: Yes, yes, it's possible. Try. 

Question (MAK 24): (58:04) What do we do when the fulfillment never matches the desire, that you don't receive pleasure that matches the desire, and don't want to be in a situation when death is better than this kind of fulfillment. 

M. Laitman: So, what? 

Student: How do we work with these desires? You know, you can't be without them, you want to feel them, but the result doesn't satisfy you. It's bad. 

M. Laitman: It depends on how you connect with your friends and in what combination with them you are able to actually act to correct these desires through the friends, to adhere to their desires, join their desires partially or maybe fully. 

Question (MAK 24): (59:12) As the friend said, we can cause envy in the group. When we meet, we take pictures so that the friends see, and they want the same unity. Can we do it? 

M. Laitman: It's good, of course it's good.

Student: But we intentionally cause envy in the friends. 

M. Laitman: It doesn't matter. The main thing is for them to react and correct themselves.

That's it, friends. With this, I close the questions until next time, which is tomorrow.

All the best to you. 

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