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Daily Lesson (Morning) June 26, 2024.

Part 1: Baal HaSulam. The Last Generation

Reader: (00:05) Hello, we are reading the writings of Baal HaSulam, page 823. We're in the writings of the “Last Generation”, in Part One, in the section titled “The Positive”, and we're on item Letter R. You can find the study material at the Sviva Tova and on the Arvut system. You can ask questions there, as well, and if you're asking questions in the hall, stand up, hold the mic close to your mouth, and ask concisely and clearly. Again, we're in Baal HaSulam’s writings of the Last Generation, we're in the section titled “The Positive”, and we're in item number R. 

Part One. The Positive.

Reading item R. (00:54) Altruistic communism will finally completely annul the brute-force regime. Instead, “every man will do that which is right in his own eyes.” It should not surprise us, as it was unbelievable that children could be educated by explanation, but only through the cane. But today most people have accepted this and reduce the forceful rule on children.

This regards children who have neither patience nor knowledge. It is even more so with a collective of educated people, knowledgeable people brought up to altruism. They will not need the brute-force regime. Indeed, there is nothing more humiliating and degrading for a person than being under the brute-force government.

Even courthouses will not be necessary, unless some unusual event occurs, where the neighbors do not influence an exceptional individual. In that case, special pedagogues will be needed to turn that person around through argumentation and explanation of the benefit of society until that person is brought back in line.

If a person is stubborn, and it is all to no avail, the public will turn away from that person as though from an outcast until that person rejoins the rules of society.

It turns out that after there is a settlement established on altruistic communism, with a majority of people who have actively taken these rules upon themselves, they will immediately decide not to bring each other to any court, governmental agency, or any other kind of force. Rather, everything will be done by gentle explanation. Hence, no person is to be accepted into the society before he is tested to see if he is so crude that he cannot be tutored into altruism.

M. Laitman: Who thinks otherwise? Or what do we have to add to Baal HaSulam? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (04:18) How can we check in the society whether someone is very crude and is incapable of altruistic communism? How can we do that? 

M. Laitman: You see according to the behavior when you live with the person and see that he's an exception. And that he behaves as if he's under a different atmosphere than the environment. 

Student: Meaning, with external eyes?

M. Laitman: That's how I understand it.

Student: It sounds weird, why check if someone is crude, who has a strong desire, a thick desire that can actually lead later society to higher spirituality? Why not bring him in? What's the condition, that's what I don't understand. 

M. Laitman: To the extent that he can understand by himself and accept the altruistic laws, the altruistic communist laws. That these laws will aim him, correctly, in his attitude to others, that's something we don't know, yet, we still have to discover it. The extent to which nature, the nature of altruistic communism, will be contrary to ours, to our nature. We still have to discover that, we still have to see it face to face that the laws of such a society could be such that we, certainly, won't be able to agree with. And that will be an obstacle that we won't be able to overcome.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (07:18) It's hard for me to see a society without a courthouse and some kind of brute force regime, as he calls it. Certainly, with not such a huge ego that's exploding.

M. Laitman: Yes, we understand that the more developed a society is, the more there are courts of law and other such means. But according to Baal HaSulam, he thinks that over time, of course, we have to relate all of that to the passage of time. So that bit by bit everyone will get closer to this method of connection, of the complete connection. And then we can achieve a state where we won't need any courts of law or such organizations that will somehow help us stop fighting or get closer to each other, understand each other, that's a lot of work.

Student: Yes, and we see that there are a lot of courthouses, and also religious courthouses, and we need to come to a place where there's a judge within the person, within that corrected society. That it's calibrated as such. 

M. Laitman: That's a result of education. Well, for now.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (09:31) He writes here that, like what we talked about here, that you won't need this force from within, but he says that there will be educators that will bring him back to line. Can you say something about that? 

M. Laitman: Well, I don't know, it doesn't come to me from experience; also, I wasn't educated that way. But it seems that over time, many people who study and practically begin to build such systems inside society, so they better and better understand what environment they're building for themselves. How you can see in our behavior what we first need to change and what we need to change later. What kind of form we need to reach, and what will be with our future. 

Student: Usually, he'd write about the influence of the society and to be able to uproot egoism and to turn into altruism. And now he's turning into something else, there's this direct relationship to a situation through experts that can convince a person to reform him. Can you say exactly how that works, in what way? 

M. Laitman: That's probably along with the general social development. That they've already went through absorption of this education and they're ready to invest themselves and their strength and see the connection as the main thing. That they have to achieve a real connection so that we move to a state where the result of our connection will influence us and educate us, that's it.

Student: Is there a way to speak to a person directly and to explain? Usually, we talk about this surrounding kind of way of explanation through the society. But now we're talking about a direct way of explaining that. That you can tell him directly that he deviated from the path and there's a way to bring him back?

M. Laitman: It's probably, yes; probably also possible through direct explanation to reach the right conclusion. But in what society, what stage of society, that's hard to say. 

Student: Does it come from the status of the people in the society, that they're respected or experienced, that a person can listen to them? Or does a person have some kind of pedagogical, explanatory kind of skills that they're able to use?

M. Laitman: It's both, I think the main thing is persuasion, but the persuasion needs to happen, constantly, so that he wants to be subject to society and accept the laws of society and change, accordingly. It's difficult for us to imagine this. we're not talking about something that is indifferent to the person; rather, it's something very close and very caring. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (14:09) Those people who he's talking about here, people educated to altruism, are those people who are sages in spiritual attainment?

M. Laitman: I hope so, or they're moving towards it. Or they're already in attainment.

Student: Because it seems that if there is no person with spiritual attainment or some kind of tight connection to spiritual attainment, there's nothing to hold that ego from controlling everything. I mean, there's always something constant, pressuring.

M. Laitman: Yes, the example must be in front of each and every one.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:00) Yes, the question is how can we, it's written, that a person is not accepted in society if he's not, if he's checked if he's not the most crude person. What is the test to see if he's crude? 

M. Laitman: That he's able to bend himself according to the new laws of society that he listens to and accepts.

Student: If you ask people then anyone who wants to be part of society is ready to accept the laws and those rules. But then you see that the person doesn't really accept the rules and is opposed.

M. Laitman: That's not a problem, it's not a problem if he, in principle, understands that he should change and adapt himself to society. Then it will ultimately influence him, the environment, and it won't let him escape but rather take on the same form as everyone.

Student: And it's written, beforehand, that if a person, if a person is stubborn and turned away, then the public will turn away from that person as though from an outcast, until the person rejoins the society. So, we see that, on the other hand, it turns out that after there's a settlement established on altruistic communism with a majority of people who have actively taken these rules upon themselves. They will immediately decide not to bring each other to any court, governmental agency, or any other kind of force. So, who is supposed to deal with that if the society decides that this person is an outcast, is unsuitable to be in the society. How are they supposed to deal with that if they have no agents in the society that deal with that? 

M. Laitman: I think the same society, if it pushes him away, then he has to be given new laws, conditions, codes of conduct, and educate him, nevertheless. 

Student: To give those boundaries and that education, so there needs to be institutions within that society. 

M. Laitman: Yes, yes, who else will do it? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (17:48) On that same line, on one hand, the society needs to be equal but on the other hand he reminds about all kinds of roles here. The pedagogues, the tutors, then there's people who decide how much money each one will receive, which is also more sensitive. So, it seems that there are at least two kinds of status here. There's two kinds of people, people who are more advanced, who make much more fateful decisions for others. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And I think that that can work only if people rely on them, if they see them as an authority, not like with the kibbutz. 

M. Laitman: Yes, we shouldn't take examples from what's happening, here and now, in some societies, side societies, here.

Student: So, is there really two levels: There's those who are educators, those who are making decisions about how much money each one receives. That's something that could corrupt?

M. Laitman: Look, he says that there comes a time where the development of society reaches such stages where it will happen.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (19:27) He starts this section saying that altruistic communism will finally completely annul the brute force regime. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And then he explains that in this society that is run by altruistic communism, there will be experts, teachers, educators who will be able to explain things and can reform things if people explode with their egos. But if people cannot do that, then they will outcast those people from society. That being outcasted from society is that that's a huge force that they apply to a person. You see that throughout the years of its exile, Jewish societies used that punishment. They didn't have institutions of nation, but they had institutions in society. And when they saw that someone was out of line, they were able to do that. So, why is outcastings not something that's part of a brute force regime? Why is it not treated as something different? 

M. Laitman: I think that, first of all, it comes from the society, itself, and not a government. not a government of force or power. But rather the circles of connection that a person is in.

Student: At the end of it all, there is a society and there is the individual?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: The individual that has the ego that exploded, did something that's not according to the lines of society?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And the society, if it does not succeed in reforming him, it outcasts him?

M. Laitman: I don't know, it's hard for me to tell you what exactly does it mean to take the person out of society, and what, to just let him be? What will happen to him, what about his relatives, and he's still a member of everyone to some extent. We can't change things like on a game board, here, like moving people like pawns, like in chess or something. Hard to say, hard to say, this requires practical experience and adequate social development; and to see and learn from action. 

Student: It could be that the difference between the brute force regime and the institutions in each of these two regimes, and the altruistic communistic regime. Is that when a person comes to a more corrected society, so a person chooses those laws freely? Whereas on the other hand, the person is born in the brute force regime, it's not his choice, and so they coerce him with these corrupted laws. 

M. Laitman: Okay, we'll see. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (23:22) I want to understand what man and women, that they will do. He says that there is brutal force regime. In a communist society, should there be a free choice for a person? 

M. Laitman: That we're always interested in the person being free, and that what will limit him will be a result of the study and the influence of the environment. 

Student: So, man and woman, what is that toward the society?

M. Laitman: One does what's right in his own eyes, means that what I learned from the environment about how to properly behave, and I behave, accordingly. 

Student: So, a person does such a choice? 

M. Laitman: Well, seemingly.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (24:35) What's the problem with institutions, wherein a few items he where he cautions the use of that word. What is the problem in the current state that it's not worthwhile to take it to a corrected society? 

M. Laitman: A person who is outside the social system and is willing to stay away from it is a very dangerous person. Because he, already, raises himself above society and he sees that society is not a source of laws to him. And with that kind of behavior, the society has to see what it's doing. Does it accept it or not and to what extent? What is the judicial system, and so forth, supposed to, ultimately, bring a person back in line.

Student: Today, there are full law books where there should be what kind of response for all kinds of actions, what kind of punishments. And now he's talking about one punishment. That there's this explanation, or at the end, outcasting?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Meaning, there's not all kinds of options and all kinds of fines. At the end of the day, there's these two tools, either person understands?

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: And what is it today? What does the court system, the law system do if a person can't do that at the courthouse? What's the difference between, why doesn't the current system of today not work in that, with its legal system?

M. Laitman: The foundation of the judicial system in our time is not the right foundation. We're not aiming to adapt a person to the communistic framework, which has to be the clear future form in front of us. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (27:35) From what I understand, he says that if a person is educated in the laws of bestowal, he'll have no need to have force applied to him, and to have all kinds of manipulations. Now, in relation to the outcasts, once I heard you say that a society that lives in bestowal will have this social pressure on a person so that if he does not implement the laws of society on himself, he himself will be outcast, by himself. So, I wanted to ask about the connection between the religious basis that there, needs to be. And a process which is more social, educational, influence of the society that he depicts here. Meaning, in previous parts he says that without a religious basis, it cannot happen. Also, the friend said that if a person's not in spiritual attainment, so it cannot happen. Then it says that if a person is not in this behavior of bestowal, so then through social opinion, public opinion, and through education, then he can do something that can come, as if from above. So, what does that mean, does it mean that we'll reach a state where there will be enough people with spiritual attainment in society that will be able to create an educational system that will be able to pave that educational path? 

M. Laitman: Well, without such people, certainly, we won't be able to exist. That people with spiritual attainment will be in such a society as the sages, the elderly ones, who can explain and expound, and set the limits, the boundaries. I think that's how it is. Next. 

Item S: (29:59) It is important to make such a correction that no person will demand his needs from society. Instead, there will be selected people who will examine the needs of every person and will provide for every single person. Public opinion will denounce one who claims something for oneself, such as today’s thief and scoundrel.

Thus, everyone’s thoughts will be devoted to bestowal upon one’s fellow person, as is the nature of any edification that calculates it even before one feels one’s own needs.

If we want to jump on a table, we must prepare ourselves to jump much higher than the table, and then we will land on the table. However, if we want to jump only as high as the table, we will fall down.

M. Laitman: So, we have to prepare ourselves for much higher conditions than required by the communist society. And then we can reach the level that we should reach.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (31:57) He says that there will be chosen ones that will be able to make sure that there is no lack in anyone, and they will be able to divide everything to everyone. How can there be this selected group? What will they be able to see that they provide for the needs of every person? Upon what would they do that? 

M. Laitman: I can't say, we're not engaged in that at the moment, but we have to understand that the research must be before the existence. Meaning, when demanding society to take on a certain change, especially with regards to such matters that have to do with the public and the future of the public, which immediately bothers each and every one. And puts each and every one into some stress, and there are many opinions and many ramifications. So, I think that, specifically in such a case, to check what's up with the public, with families, farther, closer friends that don't want to and so forth. It's a big problem, it's both a psychological and sociological problem, and who knows what's found in society. In most of such cases, the decision is to separate and that's it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (34:48) Precisely at the end of item R, he says that no person will be accepted into the society before he's tested to see if he's so crude. Meaning, he won't be suitable for the society, at all. I think that we already engage in that. That in Bnei Baruch, if we look at it more deeply, that it's already happening. 

M. Laitman: To some extent. 

Student: To some extent, yes, because not everyone can just come into the study hall here and into a Ten. But they go through certain stages for a few years, good years. I know that when I went through the training course, there were 35 friends. In the end, we finished with just two or three friends. So, the society already does that, the question is, how do we increase the sensitivity, we're talking about a common deficiency. How do we build that common deficiency so that it will be essential that we can see that each friend that enters the society here won't be crude. But on the contrary, that we will feel, just like we talked about earlier, the complete method of connection. That before the friend enters the society, he will truly be in that method?

M. Laitman: Well, we understand that even from the first day he comes into us, then he exists within our society. And thus, he adapts himself from pretty much his first day, to the extent that he's inside the society, and how he knows others, and feels himself inside our framework, and so forth. There are different periods but before he's accepted and afterwards, as well.

Student: And it also depends on our development in society?

M. Laitman: Yes, for sure. 

Student: I'll tell you, that we took this exercise from a couple of days ago to make a document in the Ten and make sections what we think that should take place in the Ten, and how we should live. And I asked myself out of this document: A person who is stubborn, so that he won't be stubborn, how do I check a person, a friend in the Ten? That he, what does it mean that he's stubborn, like, what for me is a friend who is stubborn, and he makes our progress to connection difficult? How can I correctly approach a friend, and say that he is stubborn, he doesn't let us advance? 

M. Laitman: We are not turning each and every person into a judge and a lawyer. We're talking about this, in general, for now, but, we'll see. Perhaps as a result of what we're studying now, we'll begin to feel a need to, internally, reorganize and then you'll see.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (38:37) Two things. He says that a group where the majority accepts the rules and meaning that there is a part that doesn't accept the rules. So, how can we exist together? 

M. Laitman: It is, nevertheless, something conspicuous, yes. I don't know, I don't have an answer. 

Student: Meaning, there are those who accepted altruism and those who didn't. There's another matter here. People are different by their nature, and each one in today's reality has a certain deficiency and according to that he's able to exert. And then he might have some natural skill and then he organizes his life according to conditions. And there's others who have luck, and others who don't have it, or less of it. So how do we turn to a person with needs and say that, you know, what needs are okay and what needs are not okay? And then we can go to another person and calculate according to him what he needs and doesn't need. According to what kind of logic? 

M. Laitman: You're familiar with Kibbutzim settlements today, yes? 

Student: Yes. 

M. Laitman: Does it exist there?

Student: No, no, today, it doesn't really work, maybe once it did but not today. This question comes from the stomach, I know that for more than 20 years ago, before I came to Bnei Baruch. There was this thing in this conversation saying that you could come, and you could organize, make this Kibbutz and there was such a lifestyle. And afterwards, there was more development on that topic, and they put brakes on it, and they said that the time hasn't come for that. I don't really know all the details, it was before I came.

M. Laitman: I understand. 

Student: Are we speaking about something in the future, or the time hasn't come? Or we're talking about something that we're not implementing? It gives me a bad feeling that he's talking about some big ideals but they're not implementing them in practice. Like some kind of something that we're engaging in that doesn't have a purpose. 

M. Laitman: We very much wanted to settle into a Kibbutz-kind of framework, back then, and we weren't accepted. And we received from them, like a cold shower that cools us down. What else? And we also heard about many laws and conducts that were completely, incompatible with the principles of Kabbalah. And therefore, we ultimately left it, that's it.

Student: We are speaking about a small society, so, if tomorrow we would decide here that ten students would go somewhere in the Negev to take some place there. And there will be this group that will live according to these laws of the last generation. Do you think that that is a good action, or do you think there is corruption in that?

M. Laitman: Of course not, no doubt. 

Student: What needs to happen in order to implement what is written here?

M. Laitman: There were no conditions for it. It's like a group of kids that now wants to, you know, like I remember from childhood, we collected some food and we escaped to the near forest, close to where we lived. And then what, then we came back quietly. Meaning there has to be this great, bigger environment, a society around us. It has to be somewhat ready for what such a group might do and somewhat supportive of that. And helping in establishing such a thing and carrying it out, it's not a joke. These are endless fantasies but in practice, it's very difficult to realize, impossible, I would say.

Student: There are many ideals of people who come out of line, and here they say, how the society needs to be but there needs to be a leader who leads the process. People can't organize in a society if there is no head, someone who's accepted upon everyone, who they say that he is the head. Also, they said in the past that Moses was the one who organized the society, that there's a leader, that there were kings here in Israel once as well, and people who went after them. So, how can there be such a society where everyone is just nice, altruistic, no one wants anything. How can that blossom a leader? 

M. Laitman: I don't know, that's according to the need, and also not just the need of the public but also the need from above. When we need to establish such a society, there will come an idea from above, and accordingly, we'll understand where we already have to be in a new framework, that's it. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (45:21) A question from all this study we've done for the last few days. It seems that Baal HaSulam is always speaking about what the society needs. He depicts the environment or the state, or this place that he talks about. What is demanded of the individual, here? Meaning, what are the preconditions for the individual who lives in such a society? For example, he needs to wake up every morning for the morning lesson, I'm just throwing that there, whether that's correct or not. Or he needs to put all of his property in some central place, what are the conditions for the individual? You don't build a society from institutions. 

M. Laitman: Perhaps he won't talk about it more, I don't know, but don't wait for him to give you all the solutions. That's not what he wrote for, he wrote in order to give you some sort of a framework, that's it. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (46:25) In this excerpt, he says that it's good for the person not to ask for what he needs but that the society will develop sensitivity and expertise to be able to determine what I need. So, we know that a person, as much as he is more developed spiritually, there awakens a bigger and bigger evil inclination. That the one who is greater than his friend, his evil inclination is greater than him. How does that become expressed? Tomorrow he will wake up with a bigger evil inclination than yesterday, so he will complain about society. They'll say, ah, they're not giving me what I need. It seems as if there is this zero and one, there is corrected and not corrected. And if he's not corrected then he's okay. But tomorrow, it's not okay because his evil inclination will grow. Or maybe I'm wrong, here.

M. Laitman: I don't know, there are many questions here that we don't even know how to ask, don’t feel. So, for now, for now that's where we're at, studying in that manner.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (47:35)  I don't know how to ask after what the friend said. What I see here is a process which is sociological but that takes place on the individual in order to insert him into a certain kind of society, right?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Now, this sociological process, just like we learn, is it to forget everything I brought, that I learned from home and to come into something new? So, I'm seeing something corporeal here, I'm not really seeing something here that is speaking about the upper force. It was speaking about a society and a process that an individual undergoes in order to connect to it, to belong to it.

M. Laitman: In order to connect to society and be together with everyone in keeping the laws of society. I have to be developed to feel these laws, to understand the need for them and to know how to bend myself, pressuring myself, in relating myself to a certain public.

Student: How can we differentiate between such situations in history where they, for example, Nazism, Communism. Where people went through processes, the individual went through all kinds of sociological processes entering into bad societies. So, what is the difference between what Baal HaSulam writes here, which is written in books? What is the difference here? 

M. Laitman: The difference between what? 

Student: Between this society that has taken place in history and this society that he wants to build, that he wants to establish. 

M. Laitman: The goal, first of all, what for? 

Student: Maybe the righteousness of the path.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (49:52) He places at the basis of this article that there needs to be religion, religion needs to be the basis for everything. Without religion, and I see that throughout the conversation, here, I forget about religion, I forget about the Creator. So, how can we not forget, first and foremost, the basis upon which all of this society and all these things blossom because even throughout this talk, even I lose that.

M. Laitman: You're right, you're right.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (50:37) It's clear that one of the most important foundations in society is freedom of choice where I come and I wish for this to be, where the goal is bigger. So, in corporeality, we can do communism because of the certain goal for that, if I understand correctly, there needs to be a majority with that goal; otherwise, it cannot exist. So, there's society, there's people who enter into a society without choosing, like children, for example, they never chose to be part of that goal. And so, it's not clear in advance, to see that there are people who are born in a good environment, and there is no promise that in the end that they won't be the majority. That the most of the people are people who didn't choose that. 

M. Laitman: Yes, yes, all right. Other responses? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (51:48) He writes that if we want to jump on the table, we must prepare ourselves to jump much higher than the table. If we live in a society with altruistic relations, what is the big vision that people can aspire and succeed in building and being part of such a society? 

M. Laitman: To jump higher than that, to accept laws that are much more than what is, today. 

Student: What do you mean, why does one need to take upon himself more? 

M. Laitman: In order to keep at the end what is demanded.

Student: So, to reach an altruistic society, what does one need to add, what additional laws? 

M. Laitman: Plus, one.

Student: That's the question, what's an altruistic society plus one? 

M. Laitman: A higher goal. 

Student: What to aspire to, exactly?

M. Laitman: I don't know, we need to research, to write, and to see whether we are capable of that or not.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (53:06) On the same topic, does Baal HaSulam write an exaggeration or does he write the standard, and we have to add to that? 

M. Laitman: What do you read an exaggeration?

Student: Because he writes that if you want to aim for the table, you have to aim higher than the table.

M. Laitman: That's what Baal HaSulam writes.

Student: So, all the guidelines he wrote in The Last Generation, is that the table level? Or it's aiming at higher than the table so to land on the table. 

M. Laitman: I think it's the lowest. 

Student: So that's the standard, we have to aspire to higher than what he writes, here 

M. Laitman: Yes

Student: So, we have to aspire higher than what he writes here? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (53:54) Like the friend, I think that a person needs to be provided with a place for developing the ego. And if the society knows that the ego will develop, then everyone will be happy to accept the evil that is revealed in him. That means that when he will be outcast from society, he'll do that, happily. And the experts that will treat him will be helping, helpful in recognizing the evil and everything is happening with his will and not against because otherwise it just can't work. 

M. Laitman: Yes, nice.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:49) I look at us as a society that has a Kabbalist in its helm. And we behave according to the rules of Rabash, we try to process these things based on what Baal HaSulam writes. And I'm asking if we take out all of the, say, external matters, what is the distance between the friends who are here under your leadership? And the attempt to follow these laws that he writes here in The Last Generation? How are we far from that? We're already doing that.

M. Laitman: We're doing that but in the meantime, we do not have this togetherness on the path, and we do not count those steps of development to the goal. And that's what's important. 

Item T. (56:26) Admittedly, the egoistic communism is but a step on the way to justice, a sort of “From Lo Lishma [not for Her sake] to Lishma [for Her sake].” But I say that the time for the second phase, namely altruistic communism, has come.

First, it must be established in one country, as a model. Afterward, the countries in the first phase will certainly accept it. Time is of the essence, since the shortcomings and brute force used in egoistic communism deter the majority of the cultural world from this method altogether.

Thus, the world must be introduced to the perfect communism, and then most civilized countries in the world will undoubtedly accept it. It is of great concern that imperialism will abolish communism from the world, but if our perfect method is actually publicized, imperialism will certainly be left as a king without armies.

M. Laitman: Nice. Questions? Read again. 

Again item T. (57:57) Admittedly, the egoistic communism is but a step on the way to justice, a sort of “From Lo Lishma [not for Her sake] to Lishma [for Her sake].” But I say that the time for the second phase, namely altruistic communism, has come.

First, it must be established in one country, as a model. Afterward, the countries in the first phase will certainly accept it. Time is of the essence, since the shortcomings and brute force used in egoistic communism deter the majority of the cultural world from this method altogether.

Thus, the world must be introduced to the perfect communism, and then most civilized countries in the world will undoubtedly accept it. It is of great concern that imperialism will abolish communism from the world, but if our perfect method is actually publicized, imperialism will certainly be left as a king without armies.

M. Laitman: Silence? Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (59:36) It is of great concern that the imperialist will abolish communism from the world, he writes it then. In the meantime, the imperialist basically abolished communism from the world. If there was a wave of a surge of it, now it passed from the world. So, what should be the attitude when reality has already changed? 

M. Laitman: Reality always changes from one place to another. We never know where it needs to bring us, I cannot say. We need to try to work in the present conditions to see these things as being adapted for us, and for our state, that we wish to change. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:00:49) When he writes about egoistic communism, he means a cooperative society where people are trying to work from Lo Lishma to Lishma? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, they want to reach attainment that's why they built a cooperative society, and they want to reach Lishma?

M. Laitman: The first stage of people who want to undergo this process of development, they need to learn on themselves and on the world, and on everyone, what it means stages of development. And they can define themselves as being in a framework of egoistic development. And they need to progress to altruistic development, as much as possible; meaning, they already understand what needs to be the end of their development and they agree to that, want that, and they progress to that. They hasten the times.

Student: When Baal HaSulam wrote it, I'm counting, and it's three generations already passed. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And there seems to be no hope or vision that we're advancing in that direction. What does it indicate? 

M. Laitman: It says that we don't understand when or how it needs to be, and what is nature, that if we don't implement it at a certain stage how it turns around and brings us a need for that same development in a different way. 

Student: But out of everything he wrote, what do you think we can take, maybe one small thing, two things. And start preparing that this will happen in one or two generations? I'm not talking about some realization, of course, but just what's most important to consider?

M. Laitman: Most important is to prepare the correct foundations for whoever enters this new framework. And these foundations are the study, first of all, the study. Just like we learned at school: History, geography, all these professions. And accordingly, we need to prepare the study material for the generation that comes next so that our generation will enter into that study, and will develop through it, to the first form of the new generation.

Student: So, study means that we have to bring, at least most of the public, to an awareness that there is a goal that we have to reach, and what is our role, what is our nature, and so on, and just awareness to it. And the next generation, there will come people who will realize it. 

M. Laitman: No, we too, by learning and understanding these things, we already connect something; and accordingly, we establish them gradually.

Student: But you see, except for studying we don't have any way to realize what he writes. 

M. Laitman: I don't think it needs to be outside of study much because precisely through study, we prepare ourselves and the forces of nature to that in which we change.

Student: I'm just trying to understand, we think about it a lot, that studying is really for a unique few. People don't want to study, you see, even in our center, we're sitting here more than 10 years, you see there's still free room, available room. We work hard and dozens of thousands go through us all, every year. But I wish it was like the Air Force course that was mentioned. It's much less, it’s much less who stay. So, from that, I'm trying to draw some conclusions. So, other than studying, what else needs to be? Maybe not only study, maybe something in addition to that? 

M. Laitman: One should get into all of the writings, to delve into what is chosen for our generation, to absorb that, organize it. And to prepare it in a correct way for the current generation. 

Student: That's us. We study, that's clear to me, I'm talking about the broader public, the circles. They don't want to study, at least not in the way we study. 

M. Laitman: Okay.

Student: So, I'm asking, what can be offered to them, what kind of framework, what kind of environment, other than study? 

M. Laitman: If you want them to come and to participate, there needs to be some kind of game that is very worthwhile. Other than that, I have nothing to say. 

Student: Meaning, you don't see something at the moment?

M. Laitman: No, I spoke a lot about that with Rabash and he said simply, we need people who are ready with points in the heart. That is all. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:07:33) About the realization: We saw that egoistic communism didn't succeed. That’s all they did. It wasn't communism, it was actually dictatorship, Russia, China, North Korea, Cuba, wherever you check. There was always a dictator, ultimately, and there was no preceding educational process. People didn’t want communism, it was forced on them. And alongside that, he writes that in his time, it is time to move from egoistic communism to altruistic communism. So, if the previous form of egoism was not true communism, then what group is he talking about that needs to go through transformation, if the people back then, in the old communism, weren't truly in communism? 

M. Laitman: I don't know but it's worthwhile for us to think about that, to research that, to think what could be, what could be born for the world from our generation, yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:08:54) Our generation, is it the same generation Baal HaSulam talks about? Or is it a different generation?

M. Laitman: I don’t know, our generation. It's good that you're speaking this way, and everything remains to be answered.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:09:18) You said first there has to be a goal, what's the goal?

M. Laitman: The goal is that we'll feel good.

Student: Anyone can interpret that in many ways.

M. Laitman: What do you think, what could be the goal? If you feel that the goal needs to be as the Creator thinks? So here too, there are also thousands of opinions about what the Creator thinks and for what He created the world. 

Student: To be better off, that's clear, everyone wants things to be better but it's not better, things aren't getting better. So, Baal HaSulam comes with a path and a suggestion, and he says two things that everyone already knows, religion and communism. And if you talk to the people, no one wants any of them; and also, you told the friend before that first of all, there's the Creator. We start there, from wanting the Creator and based on that, the method is built. That's the method to reach the Creator. There has to be a state where people want the Creator. When the generation wants, if you come to an average secular person, he doesn't even want to hear that. So, something needs to happen for people to want the Creator. And then you can tell them, look, we've tried this, this didn't work, here is the way to get there.

M. Laitman: You're right. 

Student: So, we're waiting for something to come from above. 

M. Laitman: No, why? 

Student: How will people want the Creator? How do we get them to a state of wanting the Creator? 

M. Laitman: That's already a question but you have before you a problem and a goal, and you want to solve it.

Student: So, that's our work then, to bring them to a point where they want the Creator.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:11:39) From Women French 1, is it possible to present our method to the public as the method of Kabbalah? Will the public be willing to accept the spiritual method from the Torah, based on the Torah? Or we'll have to present it as altruistic communism without the Torah? 

M. Laitman: Those are questions that we still need to discuss. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:12:06) Women from Toronto, how does a person take upon himself to hasten time and advance towards altruism? 

M. Laitman: That's already a different problem: How do we, who agree on the goal, how can we come closer to it, to progress to it? We need to check that, how it's possible.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:12:35) From Women Turkiye 8, can a person who leaves such a society retain his altruistic qualities? 

M. Laitman: Again, what does the friend want?

Student: A person who leaves such a society, can he retain his altruistic qualities? 

M. Laitman: That's what we said, as a result of the study; and from processing the ideas inside of society, yes?

Student: She says also, what makes the social pressure more effective than the court of law?

M. Laitman: I don't know, I don't know, how can we raise the importance of decision-making, of conditions and pressure? I don't know, I guess we need to discuss this and live in this. And see whether we're facing this way or that way, what to prefer and what to raise. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:13:58) From Women Turkiye 9, are there people who are incompatible with altruism? 

M. Laitman: There's some that are more suitable or less, and we have to work with everyone.

Student: They're asking, is it also with those that are not so healthy in their soul? Could they not be harmful? 

M. Laitman: In every society, there's a small percentage of people with inner issues. You're speaking about, really, not just nerves but people who are diagnosed. So, that's right, that every society has them, and we need to deal with it, correctly. Also, those that come here and want to enter our society, you have to see each one for a few weeks or months. And if they're mentally ill, we have to ask them to leave. We had such cases, it's always around such organizations that talk about spirituality. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:15:23) Does all of humanity need to come to it? Or is it enough that just a few will attain?

M. Laitman: I'm sure that everyone must be in maximum development to be, all of us, as one man with one heart. This obviously belongs to those that are not mentally ill, that are sane. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:16:04) You said that Rabash told you that we need people ready with a point in the heart. 

M. Laitman: Well, ready? But they want it. 

Student: So, to continue with the questions that the friend asked you, really, many people connected with us throughout the last few years. And it seems, at least I'm saying it from a place, from someone who's an instructor on the campus. It seems like those people who connected with us, it feels to me at least, at least maybe I don't know how to measure, they have a point in the heart. And such a point has been revealed in them. With that, we can see from life that the intensive study of ours, daily, is less suitable for them. It's clear to us that this is the center of life, this daily methodical study. And to them it's clear that this is the place that what you're talking about inside their heart is the center of life, too. But they're not capable of bringing them to, due to the circumstances of life, or a lack of desire. And my question is to what extent should it be concerning for us to find the form of existence for connection that's permanent with those people? Because what ends up happening is that they simply get, they get expelled because, also on the level of the Ten, and also on the level of the studies in the campuses, etc., in our study materials.

M. Laitman: I understand you, I don't have a solution for that.

Student: I'm not asking of a solution, I'm asking how concerned I should be about this?

M. Laitman: I talked to Rabash a lot about it and also in front of his students, and there's nothing to say, I have nothing to say. Obviously, we want people with points in the heart to come closer to us, especially that they will be first; obviously, we want that after them all people of the world will come and in this way advance. But what to do with what you have in practice, I don't know, I do not know. Well?

Student: I also don't know, I'm not asking about a solution, I'm asking how worried I should be about it. About finding the way to be concerned, to connect? 

M. Laitman: For now, you have enough to do, so do what you need to. 

Student: Another question in this context: What message can you pass along to such a person that due to the circumstances of life cannot connect to you, to the daily lessons, But is very connected to the message, to our method and everything that he can?

M. Laitman: Let him be in whatever he can connect to us. 

Student: Is he benefiting by that? Is he doing his part in that? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:19:14) On one hand, this egoistic communism is a necessary stage?

M. Laitman: Necessary.

Student: On the other hand, he says that the egoistic communism is a transitional stage that we need to hasten and get past it. So, what example, this egoistic stage can't be an example, he says? We need to come to the complete, to the whole state. So, what example can we give in this whole state, of this whole state?

M. Laitman: The whole state, in the form of altruistic communism, we can do that as the first society in history. 

Student: How will they see an example of that? 

M. Laitman: They won't, they don't exist today but when they had everything in common and nobody thought they needed it for themselves, right now, and save something for the future, and not give it to their relative and so on. That's exactly the level of the ego that has developed in them, and they lived according to that, free.

Student: For years we said that we're not capable of being an example for the public. 

M. Laitman: Right.

Student: So, how can such a state where they cannot see it, they cannot see the bestowal that this group will reach? In what way will they see an advantage, in what way will it be an example for them? 

M. Laitman: I don't know, we'll advance, and we'll see. We're still far from it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:21:15) The whole article is entries and exits from the individual in our work and towards outwards, towards the world. You can really feel even the work of the individual in the Ten and the Ten within Bnei Baruch, and then the study. And he gave an example here, he also uses, from Lo Lishma to Lishma, which is the egoistic comparison versus altruistic. Also, when we came to the lesson, we didn't come straight to Lishma. We came to learn from you, you also came to Rabash, and we tried to scrutinize, today, what's the point that I want to go to the micro, to the person who comes to the study? And he understands that he has an ego that's developing every day and is diverting him from the path because he's overcoming. And we're coming to be together with the teacher, and with the books, and with an effort to connect to the upper force. But we also have something that on behalf of a person needs to come, otherwise, one is stuck in Lo Lishma. What is that point that cuts it, that a person needs to bring in order to cause this hastening of time, so he'll move to Lishma and not be stuck in Lo Lishma? You did something when you came to Rabash that led you to that?

M. Laitman: The point in the heart, it usually leads a person to the right society, to the right teacher and so on. 

Student: Yes, I'm talking about after it brought him, and he came to study. And he came to the teacher, and he received help from the books from the teacher. Also, here, in the article, he also talked about the fact that a person needs to subjugate himself. He needs to do some, to be like good raw material to be working in this environment. He needs to make some kind of inner leap, also, in order to enter more correctly into the society?

M. Laitman: It depends how it's given to him, there are a lot of conditions, here. 

Student: When you went to Rabash, I remember you telling me about you having a penthouse, a clinic, you did some kind of concession of sorts that caused you to be more adherent to him, right?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, for an individual who needs to go through this? Does a person need to go through this kind of cutoff?

M. Laitman: No, not everybody, and sometimes yes, and sometimes, no. It's not a must.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:24:14) In items 11 and 12, he says that first there needs to be a small society that will live by these laws even before the world is ripe. And it will take upon itself to live this way, and it will, also and beyond that, disconnect from the dependency on the external matters whether it's judicial or any other institutes. We heard many times the example that many years ago, there was an attempt to intermingle in a Kibbutz. And you received a certain rejection and you felt that it was not right. To enter a Kibbutz is to be in a certain system of relationships with them. That dependency is probably not correct but according to what he says, it doesn't need to be a dependency. But rather it needs to be a society that just goes for it, and the question is, what mass are we talking about here? Meaning, if we find a quantity of people that can already do this kind of a thing, quantitatively? 

M. Laitman: No, I don't think so.

Student: I'm just talking about the quantity because it's clear that qualitatively, it will develop gradually.

M. Laitman: I don't know about quantity, it has to be like a group. 

Student: Kibbutz, for instance, a few hundred people lived in a very restricted way, and they worked pretty well in the beginning generations. So, as far as corporeal and economical existence, they can supply their needs. When do you feel that qualitatively such a group can come and say, we're starting to try such a thing?

M. Laitman: I do not know, in our times, we aren't dependent on the results of rain or land, or all kinds of things. We aren't dependent on anything that was important and necessary in determining the generation of many years ago, today, it's something else. Our friends could all be working in high-tech, getting good pay and living in a commune, that's it. And we don't care if it comes from high-tech or from other places.

Student: Correct, so, now there's no dependency on agriculture or manual labor. We can get sustained even from home without even leaving our air conditioning and get a pretty good payment. So, the corporeal conditions exist, the quantity, let's say, numerically exists. There's a country in a state, right now, with a complete collapse of all the systems, the judicial, the police. It's simply the public does not believe in it, so, maybe there's a certain ripeness of a society that does not commit heresy because it's not allowed but, let's say, at least it's a society that would sustain us. The question is whether there's a point of thinking in that direction, if it's realistic to think in the way of being that little institution? Or we're saying we have not yet got there, it's not ripe yet?

M. Laitman: We're ready for everything but we don't see before us what next stage can come out of our state. That, we don't know.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:28:34) To leave the frameworks that we know, the university and all those things. In seventy years, we erected this country in a common way, we dried swamps, we did immigration. We built it and we're continuing to build it in a cooperative way; we built banks, airports, and so on and so forth. That's communism, it's an egoistic communism, we are a certain form of egoistic communism now, too?

M. Laitman: I don't know, I didn't hear that that's what it's called in the world. 

Student: Exactly, it's not heard in the world, but it sounds to me that Baal HaSulam means a society that shares. That has parliament members, that seemingly put together laws that are for the benefit of the public. There's elections every few years, it's all seemingly for the benefit of the public but it's all egoistic. And he said there's a group that will learn from Lo Lishma to Lishma if we go out to religious communities, all of them there, or at least part of them, are studying Torah. They’re studying that there's a Creator and each of them are also doing that. We're also learning Lishma and Lo Lishma, and we know that Lishma and Lo Lishma, or at least what I think, is in order to bestow, is Lishma, and Lo Lishma is in order to receive. And you guys see no contradiction from what I'm hearing from some of the friends. It's something that was in the past and failed. It exists now, too, meaning, all that he's writing is about us?

M. Laitman: Yes, obviously, in our society, too, there's a development of the future society. 

Student: Now, about the fact that there's no people here, we're disseminating, learning. We ourselves are learning, we're entering, we're developing. All the things that we're learning are expanding, not just here in Israel, they're expanding also overseas, in much broader frameworks. We're also changing, maybe sometimes they're not talking in the same language, in different frameworks, but it's spreading in very high quantities. I'm talking to people, and it sounds like they are studying from us through maybe other circles and other circles. That's it, it just sounds to me like that.

M. Laitman: Okay, okay.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:31:20) From Women PT 33, they're asking, how worthwhile or beneficial is it from a society that Baal HaSulam is writing about, is it worthwhile to present to our generation? What is the benefit to our society? 

M. Laitman: We don't need to take examples and look what to do towards our generation because what we can read, here, it's just a brief of a brief. That's why it's not for learning, it's just for a small impression, only a small external expression.

Student: And what is this future society that is to come? How will that contribute to the society that will rise? 

M. Laitman: I don't know, as much as I was talking about it with Rabash, I always got a rejection. That, for now, there's nothing in these words that we can implement on ourselves, that's it. That's why we're learning it but, for now, we're developing. And let's hope we reach a state that will feel that it will clothe upon us in the efforts we make. Where are we now? 

Reader: We're in Item 21.

Item 21, U (01:33:14) Clearly, no stable and proper social life is possible except when controversies among members of society are resolved by the majority. It therefore follows that there cannot be a good regime in a society unless the majority is good. A good society means that the majority in it is good, and a bad society means that the majority in it are bad. As I have said above, Item 3, communism must not be established before the majority of the people in society operate with a desire to bestow.

M. Laitman: Yes well, here, he's already speaking about the implementation. That, before most of the friends in society are communists, so there's nothing you can do. 

M. Laitman: Yes? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:34:38) Also in The Nation, in his critique to Marxism. He writes that before we build a foundation for bestowal, there's no point in building a communist society. Maybe our goal needs to be what are those laws of bestowal and what educational system we need to build, accordingly.

M. Laitman: Correct, that's really something that has to be a necessary and close purpose. 

M. Laitman: Let's keep going for now. 

Item V. (01:35:17) No propaganda can secure a coercive rule over future generations, and neither public opinion nor education will help in this case, for they naturally tend to grow weaker. The exception is religion, whose nature is to grow stronger. We see from experience that nations that accepted religion coercively and compulsively at first, observe them willingly in the following generation. Moreover, they are dedicated and devoted to it.

We must understand that although the fathers took upon themselves altruistic communism because they were idealists, there is no guarantee that their children will follow them in this regime. Needless to say, if the fathers adopted communism by coercion, as is the manner in egoistic communism, it will not endure for generations, but will ultimately be overpowered and revoked. A regime cannot be imposed except through religion.

M. Laitman: Questions? Okay, let's read W.

Item W. (01:37:14) When I say that a communist regime must not be instated before there is an altruistic majority, I do not mean that they will be willingly idealistic. Rather, it means that they will keep it for religious reasons, in addition to public opinion. This coercion is one that will last for generations, for religion is the primary compeller.

Item X. (01:37:52) We must remember all the suffering, poverty, corruption, wars, and the widows and orphans in the world, seeking salvation from the altruistic communism. At that time, it will not be difficult for one to dedicate one’s entire life to save them from ruin and the dreadful pains. It is even more so with a young person, whose heart has not been stupefied by one’s own shortcomings. That person will certainly support it with one’s heart and soul.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:38:45) He's talking here about for this altruistic egoism to hold, there needs to be religion. What does he mean by religion because he's not talking here about an upper force. So, what does he mean when he says religion, here? 

M. Laitman: I don't know, I think that bestowal means that religion, for him, usually is bestowal: Love your friend as yourself.

Student: What is it called that love your friend as yourself, it's like when a person is religious, he has an upper force that he relates to all the time. In all the things he does, in every event of his life.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What is it called that love your friend as yourself? What, does it replace the upper force? 

M. Laitman: Could be, I don't know.

Student: How can you change that concept to a concept that is, that a religion is built around it? 

M. Laitman: I think that the fact that we are accepting, love your friend as yourself, I am the Lord, that is a religion.

Student: What does it exactly mean, religion? 

M. Laitman: Religion means that I believe in one principle.

Student: I mean, what does it mean towards me? 

M. Laitman: That there is an upper force that forces you and everyone all together, as much as you can agree with it. And take the principles of religion, laws of religion upon yourselves.

Student: Then this one principle defines everything for me in life? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And then it becomes religion?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So, just like for a religious person, today, there's the God that he believes in. So, a religious person that Baal HaSulam is talking about, here, will have the principle of love your friend as yourself?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: The same relationship towards it?

M. Laitman: Same religion: I am the Lord.

Question: (Petah Tikva Center): (01:41:47) What does it mean that the religious, the religion is the main compelor, the primary compelor? 

M. Laitman: It means that people who accept laws of religion on themselves, take upon themselves the control of the upper force that compels them, closes on them in systems, on upper systems and compels all of, all the conditions that needs to be kept. That “love your friend as yourself” is done for them, just like the upper law of nature that spreads on all the individual laws between man and friend. 

Student: So, it's like coercion from within where a person coerces himself because he took upon himself the religion. It's not that religion coerces him from the outside. Or does it? 

M. Laitman: It's hard to say how each one feels it but some agreement from man is needed, here. 

Student: If I understand correctly, he's teaching from historical, corporeal religion. And then examples of what he's talking about because in Europe different processes happen. And then from coercion it became the ruling culture in the States. So, he's hoping that from the development you can learn from this. What can you learn from what happened in that religion, even in an external religion, which is more powerful than egotistic communism? What can we learn from it? 

M. Laitman: I can't say that religion that has developed in human society is stronger than any other forms that control the human society. I can't say that it's like that. 

Student: It's like you can see that communism, the ideology, doesn't move in inheritance. In religion, it is, it's external and if you educate children to that, they do accept it. What's the difference here, why is it catch here, not there? 

M. Laitman: The difference is that religion compels human ego, it doesn't go through inheritance, so it doesn't obligate the next generation. And man within reason, can do anything he wants, and always find the justification to his actions. That's why it doesn't really bother him, you can be in any religion you want. Let's say some alien comes from Mars or whatever, put him into any kind of religion, whichever you want, and he'll be absorbed there. Religion adds to what a person has in this world, in hard, difficult moments, all kinds of forms of life; that's why it doesn't bother him to exist with it. On the contrary, it helps, it gives hope, future, what a person's lacking in his life, what the communists wanted to add. So, religion does that. 

Student: And communism actually closes a person, it doesn't open. Just historically, when he's talking about human beings, he's talking about Israel. Because he's writing it between 1942 and 1950, more or less, and the historic examples he's talking about is not Cuba. Cuba wasn't, then, he’s talking about Yugoslavia, places like that, China, Russia, places where there's opportunity. That's why, with the leaders of the nation he talks to, he really hopes, just like we had a little with our kibbutz that we tried. He really made all the attempts for them to adopt this regime, this kind of regime and find ways that you could implement, if there would be someone to receive it. There's really a beautiful example where a person clothes in the times, there's no historical examples, really. He simply clothed inside the spirit that was then and responded in a relevant, actual way. And people talked about him in the street and everything, so that from that hope, which is an amazing example of how a Kabbalist lowers himself down to the grown to these examples, just so someone will hear and will try to implement it. It was an amazing example. 

M. Laitman: Yes, Rabash didn't want to keep talking about it, I asked him: What to do today? That it all fell, that it all disappeared, is there any hope for change, for changing the government to something altruistic? Or in what way to approach it, to give it to the generation that is coming, now. That was already over 30 years ago, more. And he didn't know how to answer it, he didn't want to, I don't know. So, in short, today we're in a state that supposedly the baton is in our hands. We got it from above and what to do with it, we don't know. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:49:14) In these two items, he's talking about the degree of fathers and sons. And he explains, here, that the sons will continue, even if they're born into such an environment out of them feeling the sorrow of the collective, and that they could save the collective from all those troubles. What remains for this next generation from the fathers that connects the sorrow of the masses to what they do there? And he says they would truly give their souls and hearts for such a thing, and that there's something in religion that would coerce them to do so?

M. Laitman: We feel that we're just tossed, that there's nothing that can help us. We don't know what's before us. Look at what's going on, how many people thought they'd reach the age of 80, let's say? Today, even 90 is in the limit of even a hundred or more and we're talking about people that still have forces, well as much as everyone. And what can you do, what to do with themselves, with their lives, with their choice, how to change the world? Nobody knows.

Student: I understand. Let's say he's talking here about the generation of the fathers, which is Israel. We're talking about connection love of others, where even in the Ten that is called Israel, when we connect there's the feeling that the Creators between us. What's the next generation where the ego comes and doesn't let a person feel that he belongs to the Ten? The connection where, specifically, from the fact that he was adhered to the previous degree, he can now feel that the whole world depends on the soul devotion. And you'll agree with what remains in him, from the previous state, to truly give himself and send it's the whole world to the scale of merit? In these manners it seems like there's our personal work, and there's this form that will eventually be in the reality outside. What proceeds what, is it something that we understand how we do it between us? And then it projects to Israel on the outside to do these same actions. 

M. Laitman: That's a very big question and for now there's no answer on it. For sure, that our group is an internal group in the development of human society. And all the forms we're going through, these forms, are going afterwards going to go over all of humanity. But more than this, I can’t say. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:53:17) He writes that no propaganda can promise forceful government for the future generations. And we see it in Israel, today, each one just grabs the law and puts his opinion on everything, we reached that state. So, what's our role, Bnei Baruch, if we look a year or two ahead. Where else could this deteriorate to? And now nobody is willing to take any authority from any government or anybody, there's complete chaos. People are taking over roles and it's like a serious state?

M. Laitman: It's a very special and very dangerous state. We're going to discover that there's no one to trust except for the Creator. We'll see, from moment to moment, not there in history. But really, we'll discover ourselves in such a way.

Student: Nobody to trust except for the Creator, so, it's what us, Bnei Baruch, have to be in some kind of what, towards the upper force, towards the Creator? What do we have to do? 

M. Laitman: That we are working beneath Him.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:55:13) He writes that religion is the main thing that can compel development. So, understand there has to be two things: One is education won't help, and the public opinion. So, we see that only faith in an upper force, that also doesn't help. If we only take external habits that connect the person to the upper force without taking into account the love of others, that won't help. So, this combination of the public opinion, love yourself, love your friend as love yourself, and religion to the upper force. How to combine all that, and how is that different then the control like in force, in coercion? He said something that there still has to be an agreement?

M. Laitman: Well, that I don't see that is happening for the time being in our world, but it could be that we're going through a crisis. And then we come to a state in which we all will agree that the agreement between us is, actually, the spiritual law.

Student: So, I will agree that there will be supposedly a coercion on me. 

M. Laitman: Yes, the public coercion. 

Student: And not like in history, that people just killed and raped?

M. Laitman: No, no, no, no, here, it's, I think that from Lo Lishma, we come to Lishma. Where we have no one to crown above us but the Creator. That, in the connection between us, we erect this power, this force.

Student: So, these states that you just said that we can only trust the upper force. That it's the only thing that I think?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So, we have to publish Him?

M. Laitman: To advertise Him means to observe those laws of connection, bestowal, and love in our society. That's called to bring the Creator closer to be revealed between us. To rule upon us.

Student: So, we have to explain that the Creator, and the force of love and bestowal, is the same thing? 

M. Laitman: Well, okay, yes, that's of course. There's a lot, what is there, there's a lot to talk about and write. But for the time being, yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:58:12) Coercion, I heard you say that we have to agree for coercion, to agree which force?

M. Laitman: Of course, the coercion of the Creator, the upper one.

Student: So, coercion of the Creator means that we actually agree that there's some kind of force. That we all feel, whether we want it or not, we have to bow down towards it? 

M. Laitman: Not all of us but yes. 

Student: Because He's the force that's controlling the world, actually? 

M. Laitman: Yes? 

Student: And He has the characteristic of bestowal or anything to explain what He is? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And this agreement, it has to be an agreement in coercion because our nature doesn't agree with this. 

M. Laitman: Correct?

Student: But we have to adapt to this because we have no meaning, otherwise.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Again, you were asked this 7,000 times, and I'll ask again. This Creator, how do I break that religious barrier? That it's not, when the nation hear me saying, Creator, to turn it into a force that someone can understand.

M. Laitman: I don't know what you're talking about and it's not important to me. What the general folks, in whatever warped way they receive it. 

Student: Because if I say to bow down to the Creator, he says, okay, you want to force us to a religious regime. Not like Baal HaSulam sees a religious regime of love and bestowal but external customs. And we're not talking about that, we're talking about the Creator's quality. 

M. Laitman: Correct.

Student: Is there a way to explain this without saying love and bestowal? Something that is more connected to day-to-day?

M. Laitman: Connection between everyone, agreement between everyone, coming closer to everyone.

Student: Like a higher agreement, an agreement that comes from the fact that we're sitting together. Not that I'm convincing someone, an agreement that is higher than us.

M. Laitman: Yes, one above us all.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:00:56) What's better for the world today? That we disseminate wisdom or that we work internally and that will help the world? I know it's both but what's more? Because you said that if we correct ourselves, here, so because we're one system, it corrects the whole world.

M. Laitman: I don't understand the question.

Student: In what should we focus more: In correcting ourselves here as much as we can? To understand that there's only one force controlling reality, only He can help us. It can go from my mind to the heart, to my bones, that will correct the world? Or just to go out and disseminate None Else Besides Him. 

M. Laitman: We need None Else Besides Him. We need to feel, to incorporate, to disseminate None Else Besides Him.

Student: And we came to that time, I think. That in our minds, my nation understands that only the Creator can help. We just need somehow to go from our heart to the whole heart, the common heart. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:02:52) According to what the friends are saying that each one wants to try to implement. Well, we tried in the past to be together, and we searched for a place. Now, the question is, the friend is right, Baal HaSulam wrote this when he heard it, he wanted to, like, take hitchhike on this. And today, also, it's a special state that never came before, that we lost our goal, that the world is losing the goal, that Israel will be left alone soon. And we need, I think, not to jump into some kibbutz, like we want to do a settlement, but before we do an action, we build a model. We practice on a model, some kind of model, so, just how we used to. I'm just asking if we close off a place and for a week, we'll play a game, like you said. A game called the last generation with all the laws of the last generation. With all these things, for a week, with families, with everything, with a program. But for a week, a person is into it; we need to feel it. And then we can already talk, we can disseminate something, it will be more tangible. Because either way the world, it's clear to me, that the world will get there, that's clear. And it will jump a step or two back but in a way that will feel it. What do you think? You said a game, this is how my head works.

M. Laitman: I don't know.

Student: I heard friend say once that in the United States, right? Once a year, they build like a city and people just come. They build the city, there's laws of the city, it's popular. Maybe we can do something like that, get in there, feel it, work, act, and we'll feel how it is. Maybe we could invite the whole world Kli, too. What do you think about that?

M. Laitman:. I agree with everything that, through which we could scrutinize what the truth is and what suits us, that's it.

Student: Let's play a bit to really feel it. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:06:49) So, first of all, I want to share a discernment that we saw that what Baal HaSulam was concerned with. That the imperialism will win so we see that all the attempts to build communist regimes with values, it all broke. And I feel that humanity just threw away all the values, and just wanted to rid themselves of all these efforts they gave, in order to build something good but everything broke. We see, today, that very developed countries have no values they can teach people, people grow up on values of money and self-benefit. I want to ask something that will be like a turning point: You said Rabash put this on the side and didn't want to talk about it; but on the other hand, what he wrote on that piece of paper, we have gathered here today to build a society. Did you feel from the Rabash that that was a turning point? That we could rebuild a society with values and he's expecting us? Or what is he, what changed in him that he started building that society, even internally?

M. Laitman: He wrote it to my group, not to everyone. He told us to connect to six people. That we, by that, would be able to be as a group. And what he meant, besides what I read and hear and what he wrote, I don't know. I don't want to add because from then, passed in how long, forty years, more And that's why, I don't know.

Student: But our society is built, exactly, on these sentences, on that place, so? What did Rabash want to build here, for this group, let's say. If you pass to us what he wrote to your group, are we that group that Rabash wrote? So, what did he want? That we build a society that will follow Baal HaSulam's method, is it this? 

M. Laitman: Yes, that the Creator will be between us, that's the main thing. For the Creator to be between us.

Student: And bestowing to the whole world, like in the last generation, is it there inside, or is it disconnected? 

M. Laitman: It's already a consequence but it also belongs to it. 

Student: There's a process in society that we want to build a vision in an organized way. So, from what we feel that we're studying here, and receiving from all this, what do you think our effort should be here in building this vision? Does it have a meaning, what exactly?

M. Laitman: I think we must change the connection between us in the direction of connection to such an extent that we will receive within us a certain form of social unity. And thus, we will advance, that's it. Societal unity, that's what we need, first of all. 

Student: I'm contemplating inside. Is there a need to take care of the world? 

M. Laitman: It doesn't seem so to me so, it's too big, it's too divided, dispersed, broken. What you have, today, there hasn't been such a thing prior to this in any generation. There are so many countries and the gaps between them.

Student: On the other hand, this world is really pressuring us. On, let's say, our beastly level but a part of life that isn't internality, the world is really pressing on us. Everybody, even other people in the world, everybody is in pressure and efforts and in front of us are barriers that are rising in people's hearts. I'd say the ignorance spreading in the world, the lack of rationality, the lack of values, everything. It's completely uncivilized.

M. Laitman: Yes, yes, this is in contradiction to the generation that needs to be. 

Student: Yes, and it puts a lot of pressure on the people with ideas. When you have an idea and you're in a society that's pressuring you, it's also pressuring us. So, on one hand, it seems like there's no need to take care of them; on the other hand, it doesn't let you be quiet, you can't disconnect from them. I wish I could just close myself in a room and study Kabbalah, like 500 years ago, but it's not possible, anymore. 

M. Laitman: No. 

student: So, it's like we're under pressure but how much should we take care of the world, or not? 

M. Laitman: We are meant to develop with the world and to learn how we are bestowing upon one another, and as a result of that, what influences we will see in the world. I think that specifically we, as Bnei Baruch, as an organization, can show the world the method of existence that the world will see, as probably, the future that needs to rise between us. And then we will observe it, that's how it will happen.

Student: I feel that in history, maybe 2,000 years ago, there was a state like that. Us, studying the internality of the Torah, we need to deal with the whole world. In a way that we have no choice and develop from the lowest possible point to go out to the world and to start engaging with it.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:16:14) Should I hear you say that we have to enter a connection of social quality between us?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: What does that mean? 

M. Laitman: That, more meticulously, we need to see in what we are different from one another. And by which actions we can come closer to one another.

Student: What is there something that we haven't done until today? Or what's the new state? 

M. Laitman: Let's see, I don't know, maybe we need to talk like this to everyone. And write down what we think so there will be several people who write our recommendations. And then we will discuss it and see what's worked well. 

Student: So, what will that help us, if we understand that we're different from one another? 

M. Laitman: It will give us a direction towards where to advance.

Student: When you say, different, that means what's unique in everyone? Or what the actual difference between him and the others is?

M. Laitman: We'll see, we'll see. Let's open it up.

Student: So it's not the time yet, no? 

M. Laitman: No, no, it's already, what? 

Student: But the direction is clear. 

M. Laitman: The direction is clear, and we need to relate to this as to study and action. Okay. Wait, we had, there was someone that I wanted, all right I don't remember. Okay, is there anyone who wants to say something? 

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