“Secrets of the Eternal Book”

Video program with

Dr. Michael Laitman and

director and screenwriter Semen Vinokur

Part 3, Chapter "Bereshit"

S.V.: Hello, dear friends. We continue our series from the “Secrets of the Eternal Book”. We witness how secrets are becoming revealed here.

S.V.: Dr. Michael Laitman, the scientist and the Kabbalist, is here again in the studio.

Hello, Dr. Laitman

M.L.: Hello.

S.V.: We are reading the Torah.

M.L.: Yes

S.V.: We are going more and more deeply into it. Today we are in the Garden of Eden and the following story takes place in that Garden of Eden. I will start reading, and we will start explaining what happens there.

«So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man. And while he slept took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. And the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman. And brought her to the man.”

A significant, life-changing event happened here.

M.L.: Yes, a certain type of egoism is allocated from a man into a separately existing phenomenon called “wife”. Here we are not talking about a wife, a man or a woman at all. Although, we can talk about this too...

S.V.: We will certainly talk about this.

M.L.: Yes, this exists as a reproduction in our world, but in Kabbalah we, basically, speak about one man who consists of all the properties of our world. The Creator is also in him. What is the Creator? This is what I feel as my Creator. Something that exists above me and is not on the level of my feelings, I cannot speak of, I know nothing of. I speak about something that I do feel. It means that you, animals, plants, world, cosmos, my own feelings, and how I perceive myself are all inside me. The Torah, the Pentateuch, tells us about this general structure of a person. What do I feel? What do I perceive? What I perceive inside me, is called the Creation. This creation is my inner structure. If I change, I would feel the world differently. If I expand and deepen my feelings, my thoughts, my perception, and my awareness, then I would consequently perceive the world differently. So, when a person begins his development, he begins feeling that the force that has created him and controls him somehow divides him into two parts: male and female.

S.V.: Is this when a man and a woman appear inside me?

M.L.: Yes, the two opposite parts. The giving part is called male and the receiving part is called female. In principle, this is neither positive nor negative and this should not cast any shadow on what is going on.

S.V..: Women should not take offence.

M.L.: No, of course, not. We are talking about the nature, the creation. Men in our world are even more egoistic than women. It is not about that at all. Kabbalah speaks about two basic, fundamental properties of a person: the property of giving and the property of receiving. They exist in the person. They were together in the person. Gradually, as he is developing, he begins to separate them from each other. Therefore, the creation of this second part is called as being from the rib. The rib is called "tselo".

S.V.: Yes, it is written so: “So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man.”

M.L.: A sleep, like a dream. It means that, at first, man enters such a state where he does not clearly understand: What is really going on with my egoism? He enters a hazy state. It is like a threshold, a desired state before awareness. Every time when we do not understand something, we always get somehow confused and disconnected from reality. We enter a vague, confused state, and then it clears up. So it goes from a semi-conscious state to a conscious state, and again from a semi-conscious state to a conscious state. It is how our cognition always takes place. It is the same in our world.

S.V.: Is this state called a sleep?

M.L.: Yes, this state is called a sleep.

S.V.: So, when we fall asleep....

M.L.: A sleep is practically the disappearance of the last state, the last stage of cognition. Therefore, thus happens with us too: a day passes and we fall asleep. We go through a state of preparation for the next day, for the next realization, and for the next understanding.

S.V.: What does it mean “Caused a sleep”?

M.L.: “Caused a sleep” means the disappearance of previous understanding of my state that is I am a simple, normal, a bit egoistic man. Then, I suddenly begin to understand clearly my own structure, as having been already divided into two parts. This emergence of the second part appears like from a shadow, as an opposite copy of me. Therefore, it is called "tselo".

S.V.: It is not the rib.

M.L.: It is not the rib. It was translated from the Hebrew as the rib.

S.V.: It seems like he has undergone a surgery.

M.L.: Yes, because this word also means a rib in Hebrew. There are some words in Russian that mean absolutely different properties or objects, but are spelled the same way. But they are quite different in origin.

S.V: It means “tselo” in Hebrew

M.L.: Yes, tselo. It means that a copy of the whole man was created. Well, in Kabbalah we study that Malchut appears from Tiferet of ZEIR ANPIN that is called the rib. Therefore, according to its spiritual structure this part is actually called the rib. But, basically, this rib has such a property that it reflects the whole essence of man. Therefore, his reflection in the egoistic, receiving form is called the female part. She is now detached from man, and he begins to perceive her as being separated from him. What does this mean for us? When I begin to perceive myself, I begin feeling as being divided into two parts. Somewhere, in one of my parts there exist some obvious properties of the Creator: bestowal, attainment, expansion, and so on. The second part is female. It is a receiving and dependent part. With the help of the latter, I also advance forward and explore. It is my serious egoistic part and without it I cannot progress. So, we advance on these two forces: on the left and on the right, on the positive and on the negative. I begin to distinguish between these two forces in myself. This is called the creation of a woman.

S.V.: What is this reflection of a man and a woman in our earthly form?

M.L.: It is reflected the same way in our earthly form too, because a woman is a supporting part in regards to a man. He cannot exist without her. As well as Adam cannot advance further, as we see, but only with the help of...

S.V: Wife...

M.L.: Yes, with the help of the female part detached from him. Really, due to the fact that she is detached from him, all his development takes place further: the development of the humanity and all the levels of attainment, until we reach our utmost state. All this is because the female part was detached and it stands against him. As it is said, “I created help against you." That is, she is seemingly opposite and contrary to you, and different in her properties, but her help is exactly in this attribute. It is impossible to move forward without her, because the next stage is called procreation when they have children, and so on. The next generation is their development, their next stage. The next manifestation of man's development is his children in our world.

S.V.: So, if we speak about this world, I want us also to discuss earthly matters a little bit more. A man is obliged to marry.

ML: Yes, of course. Without it, he will not advance. In addition, based on understanding that souls are corrected only in our world, and from generation to generation, the same souls return here like a formation of soldiers, existing together in one generation, in the next generation they incarnate in bodies again, and so it happens in each other generation. Therefore, without a woman this process is impossible. Furthermore, it is impossible not only without a woman, but also all the generations are expanding and moving apart. They are splitting up into a larger number of male and female bodies, and the soul is divided accordingly. One soul was divided into two parts, and then to a greater number of male and female souls. Thus, they are advancing.

S.V.: The soul is one. That is...

ML: In the beginning it is one. Then it is divided into two parts: male and female, and then each of these parts are divided further into many, many other parts. Let's assume that there are seven billion people worldwide. There are, somewhat, sixty percent of women, and forty percent of men. We can only say that a man is obliged to marry, because Adam himself, the male property, cannot move forward without the female. The female property, on the one hand, is bound and fully depends on the male property, because it is the receiving property and can receive only from above. It receives life and fulfilment only through the male part. But the male part, although, it seems to be independent and self-sufficient, cannot exist without the female part in our world. We can see that a man cannot settle down without a woman in this world. He can advance in no way.

S.V.: We can even see that he is guided by a woman.

M.L.: He is guided by a woman. Everything he achieves in our world, he achieves because his woman pushes him and presses him to do so. She pushes him out of the house and he moves forward. If it was not so, he would play with his toys all his live and would never advance.

S.V.: So, to finish with our earthly man and woman business. Is a woman obliged to marry or not?

M.L.: No, she is not obliged. It means that there is no such obligation on her for her spiritual advancement, because as she was detached from man, she (any female part of the creation, humanity) receives her essential supplements from the male part. As it is said, a woman is ready to give her nine tenths of all that she has to a man in order to be his and she leaves only one tenth for herself, so big is her fulfilment when she is connected to a man. But when a man connects to a woman, he only fills his one tenth. That is, woman's nine tenths is ninety per cent, and man’s one tenths is only ten per cent. This, regrettably, creates such distorted relationships between men and women in our world. If we, of course, understand and use this situation correctly, then we will actually discover the correct mutual dependence between us. Then, we see that there is no imbalance from the side of nature – as we say, the Creator and nature is the same. There is no imbalance, and because of that asymmetry we can correctly complement each other and advance moving both sides forward. Can you imagine if they had remained in the Garden of Eden?

S.V.: Ah, that would have been such happiness!

M.L.: What happiness? They would have remained like two freaks, not even understanding that they were like small and senseless children, oblivious to everything and would have just been gathering their apples and pears...

S.V.: They would have lived without any worrying.

M.L.: Yes, and they would have lived without any worrying.

S.V.: Without suffering.

M.L.: The biggest problem of yours is suffering and the main thing is that there would have been none.

S.V.: Yes

M.L.: And we say nothing about development. So, basically, if a woman had not revealed that egoism, which has been revealed further through her...

S.V.: We will discuss this shortly.

M.L.: ... than Adam would have remained small, like in a dream. He would not have even woken up.

S.V.: Well, why is it bad? Dr. Laitman, majority of humanity nowadays wish to be in a sleep!

M.L.: Yes, in a sleep.

S.V.: Just not to feel these sufferings, which are piling up.

M.L.: There is no way back. We are in the program, which is run by nature. We are obliged to reach our final perfect state. Therefore, we see that all these actions are purposeful. They are compulsory. They are pre-defined and pre-calculated. Everything is within us: in our genes and in our hormones. It is the same way as we reveal today, if a person steals, it is because he has a certain gene. Or if someone is a drug addict or something else, it is because he has another type of gene. Another one has predisposition to alcoholism or to other things, or he is a murderer, or vice versa. All these are our inner predispositions. Therefore, we should understand that all our progress, all our development is predisposed in advance. It is programmed in us. We just…

S.V.: Carry out this program.

M.L.: Yes, we are obliged to understand, discern, and implement this program in the best, easiest, and fastest way.

S.V.: So we have to surrender. Surrender and...

M.L.: Yes, but the process is not just to surrender. It is to understand, discern and go along with it and, I would even say, anticipate it.

S.V.: In order to outrun sufferings.

M.L.: Yes.

S.V.: Do not wait until they come.

M.L.: No, no.

S.V.: "Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. She shall be called Woman. Because she was taken out of Man. Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother."

M.L.: These are the Upper Forces that created him. Here we mean one man who feels this.

S.V.: These are father and mother.

M.L.: Yes, these are father and mother. These two forces are within him and they now divided this man into two parts: Adam and Eve.

S.V.: “And cleaves to his wife. And they become one flesh”

M.L.: This depends on the man how he does this. Can he form the correct union in our world between his egoism, on the one hand, and his aspiration forward, on the other hand, so that they would really be as one?

S.V.: Union with the property of bestowal in him?

M.L.: When all his egoistic properties begin working on bestowal. Then, he aspires forward and rises above our world.

S.V.: So, this egoism is, basically, like petrol for a car, is it right?

M.L.: Yes.

S.V.: You use it and the car moves, right?

M.L.: It is even so in our world. If a woman had not looked after home, created comfort, given birth to children, cooked, washed, nor cleaned, we would have stayed in caves.

S.V.: Ha-ha

M.L.: Although, it seems to you the best solution.

S.V.: Not to me, but, in fact, to the present day humanity. I would also like you to clarify this a little bit. I am the reader of the Torah, and while I am reading, I begin to feel that there are these two forces within me: male and female.

M.L: Yes. You separate them if you are doing your inner work, your inner analysis. You actually begin to divide yourself into different forces. As a result, they are separated into two distinct parts.

S.V.: But it is yet one flesh. What does it mean?

M.L.: No. These are already two parts, with which, by properly combining them together, you begin to create your next state: your children.

S.V.: Then it is written: "And the man and his wife were both naked. And were not ashamed.”

M.L.: It means that the egoism, which was actually the opposite, has not yet revealed. Both, he and his egoistic part have not yet compared themselves with the Upper Force, to which they are obliged to become alike. Therefore, it is yet concealment from the Upper Force. This concealment does not stimulate in them a feeling of difference from the Upper Force, which is called "shame”. It is not the shame of the fact that we are naked, but the shame that my egoism is working in me in an absolutely open and arrogant form, and I do not even feel this. That is, the next step is when I begin feeling my egoism as evil. But for this, I need to see a model, an example of good.

S.V.: Yes.

M.L.: So, the next step is when they reveal it.

S.V.: Until I see it... It is very important to pause here, on the topic of shame. When am I not ashamed? When is a man not ashamed?

M.L.: A man is never ashamed.

S.V.: Isn't he?

M.L.: No, he isn't. What should I be ashamed of?

S.V.: It happens sometimes that I am ashamed of something.

M.L.: Ashamed of what? If I am ashamed of my nakedness, so why should I be worse than animals? Anyway, do you know that there was a movement called "Down with Shame" a hundred years ago in Soviet Russia? Do you remember this movement?

S.V.: For free love.

M.L.: For free love. People walked naked outside, and so on. Today, there are many such societies. In principle, it is only conventionalities, as you know. There is nothing else in it. The shame here (let God grant to us, as well as to the entire humanity, to feel this shame) is the realization of our egoistic worthlessness, the realization to what extent we are egoists, to what extent we wish to bend over and use the entire world for some of our petty, small fulfilments.

S.V.: It means that I feel that there is something bad in me and this is my egoism.

M.L.: What does it mean bad? It means that for the sake of my fleeting pleasure, I am absolutely ready to sacrifice the entire world. Really, this is not sacrifice for me at all. Moreover, I even enjoy it, if I can be filled this way.

S.V.: It means that I use it just to fill myself a little bit.

M.L.: Only for this. There is nothing else in my nature.

S.V.: Why do animals have no shame? They run around naked.

M.L.: Because they do not relate to the world in order to enjoy it. They carry out the program of creation. They use the world to exist. An animal never uses the world more than it needs for its existence. At the same time, necessities are not enough for a man to be fulfilled. He needs more and more until he swallows the entire world.

S.V.: It means that an animal have no thought to use...

M.L.: To harm.

S.V.: Another animal.

M.L.: Never. But a man feels his comfort and pleasure only through suppressing the other.

S.V.: It means that a lion while eating a gazelle just... I do not know.

M.L.: It does not think about whether it is doing something bad or good to it. It needs to receive 20 kilograms of protein.

S.V.: But a man by using the other, does it intentionally.

M.L.: He uses the other internally. He needs submission from the other. He needs to draw out this higher pleasure. It would have been better if we ate each other.

S.V.: “Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God say, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden?' And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. But God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden. Neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'” Here appears...

M.L.: The Serpent...

S.V.: Yes, here suddenly appears a serpent...

M.L.: The Serpent is the lowest stage of egoism, which is now beginning to awaken. By the way, a woman does not symbolize the egoism. She is a normal, so to speak, egoistic part of Adam. She receives and he gives. Here, there is an absolute symbiosis, complete bondage between them, like a copy of one another. After this, the next egoistic part arises that is directed towards using the other in order to humiliate, and so on.

S.V.: Is it the Serpent?

M.L.: It is the Serpent. This part is opposed to the Upper Force, to the property of bestowal. That is, there are Adam and Eve. The Creator, the absolutely altruistic force, love and bestowal, stands behind Adam. The strongest egoistic force, which is exactly directed against the Creator, arises behind Eve. So, there are Adam and Eve, and behind them there are the Creator and the Serpent.

S.V.: Does it mean that the Serpent, nevertheless, acts through a woman?

M.L.: Yes.

S.V.: Through Eve.

M.L.: Well, yes. It acts through a minimal desire to enjoy, receive, perceive, move, and expand, and so on. The Garden of Eden was enough for man, Adam. However, she wants to develop further. Therefore, in this part of man's desire for further development, this egoistic growth appears. That is, let's say I want to do well in this world. I want to do something normal and good, and I begin doing so. As soon as I begin doing so, I begin discovering in myself that I can use the other, I can subdue the other, I can deceive the other, and I can make the other to do something. I can steal from the other, and so on.

S.V.: It means the Serpent manipulates him so...

M.L.: This is the Serpent in me begins coming out. It means that the Serpent is the property to use other people, to harm them, and to benefit myself.

S.V.: Is there Serpent in everyone?

M.L.: Yes, naturally, in everyone.

S.V.: Is there Serpent inside us?

M.L.: Yes, inside our heart. There is this very black part, called the Serpent, inside our heart.

S.V.: Now we are talking about the tree, the tree of the garden.

M.L.: About the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It pushes us.

M.L.: It means that there is a movement to the world when you can merely eat from all the fruits. There is nothing else in this. It is when you, together with all the people, take part in human community, so to speak, in its normal form. You communicate with them, exchange products of your labour, and everything is fine, the same way, as it used to be in all kinds of ancient human primitive social groups.

S.V.: Is this that I eat of the fruits of all trees?

M.L.: Yes. All live in one commune. Everything is common there and so on. Everything is fine. They help each other, interacting normally with each other. When this Serpent appears, then the struggle for power and for means of subsistence begins between people. It is when a person wants more than he needs for his life.

S.V.: What is the Serpent speaking about?

M.L.: He is speaking so, “You shall not eat of any tree of the garden?” No, you can eat of any tree. It means that you exist regular at the level of animal. Is it so? But beyond that? You can not only eat of this tree. Why not? Because that is contrarily, when you eat of it, you will understand. You will be at the level of the Creator. In fact, he is right. Because only by receiving great pleasure in this egoism, which is called the Serpent, a person gives it energy and stimulates it. He begins to experience, what a great pleasure it is to control, rule, subdue, and push the world, and so on.

S.V.: To live in accordance to the Serpent.

M.L.: Yes. Without this, he does not feel it. It means that if I have just a desire, I do not yet know what it is. This is only an initial desire for some kind of pleasure, perhaps, and, therefore, there is nothing yet forbidden in it. At the first time, when I eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, it is that .. I only try a bit what it is like. I have yet to begin to develop in myself this desire, this feeling. I take something offered to me. Let's say you give me a tasty piece. I absolutely do not yet know what it is like. You say, “I brought it for you from Mexico or some other place. It is something special.” I look at it. I do not understand at all what it is like and it means nothing for me. You say: "It is just breathtaking, heartbreaking." I take this piece simply because I know that if you enjoyed it, I may enjoy it too. So, this first time, eating of this apple or any other imaginable food is not a violation of anything, but it gives me a sense of pleasure. Now I want it again after I have tried it for the first time." And ahh....

S.V. I now want it.

M.L.: I now want it. For the second time, this is considered to be a sin. So, this is how it happened.

S.V. Receiving pleasure by power, by violence...

M.L.: I tasted this flavour. I now can either restrain myself or not. This is now my struggle. This action is now considered a sin. At the first time, it was not.

S.V.: It is very important. Imperative.

M.L.: This is how it always happens in our life.

S.V.: Yes, in our life...

M.L.: At the first time...

S.V.: At the first time... Can a person stop himself?

M.L.: If he did not do it at the first time. If he did...

S.V.: Can a person stop himself at all after the first time? In principle? Here he enjoys this awesome pleasure...

M.L.: Yes, if there is a stick prepared for him in advance, like a society’s disapproval or something else.

S.V.: Like a slap on the hand.

M.L.: A slap on the hand does not usually help. If, instead of this egoistic pleasure to receive, another pleasure is shown to him, that he wins a lot more, if he applies this newly born egoism in different form.

S.V.: If he aspires to bestowal and love, right?

M.L.: Yes.

S.V.: This is a great pleasure.

M.L.: But it needs to be shown to him. Otherwise, how can he measure one against the other? Otherwise, he will not be able to hold himself.

S.V.: Is it what is actually written about in the Torah?

M.L.: Yes.

S.V.: How giving can be changed into receiving.

M.L.: How a person advances forward in his inner struggle until he reaches the level of the Creator.

S.V.: What a genius book. By advancing thus further and further until one begins to understand.

M.L.: This is why the Torah is called "Oraha", the guide.

S.V.: The instruction.

M.L.: Yes, the instruction.

S.V.: There is also “Orah”, that means the light from the word “Or”.

M.L.: The light, because it is the movement, which happens by the means of the light, the Upper Energy.

S.V.: “He said to the woman, “Did God say, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden?' And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. But God said, 'You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden. Neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'” And the serpent said to the woman, “You will not die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food. And that it was a delight to the eyes. And that the tree was to be desired to make one wise. She took of its fruit and ate. And she also gave some to her husband. And he ate.”

M.L.: Yes.

S.V.: It started.

M.L.: Yes

S.V.: The movement started.

M.L.: Yes. It means that the egoism, this Serpent, begins filling itself by an actually greater pleasure, which is above animal, and this pleasure is human, social. Herewith, of course, huge possibilities arise in a person to grow, evolve and develop the civilization. Here, the transition of this ancient society takes place onto the level where competitions, all kinds of separations between people, suppressions of some by others happen, and, so in general, the struggle begins.

S.V.: This is the beginning of the struggle.

M.L.: This is the beginning of a person's development when he already enters the struggle.

S.V.: Dr. Laitman, we have to finish at this point.

M.L.: This is not really a good point to finish.

S.V.: Well, it is like the point of suspense in a film. We are finishing at a very interesting place. It is going to be really exciting from now on. This is what I want to say to our viewers. Please, join us for the next program. Goodbye. See you soon.

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