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A Talk with Dr. Michael Laitman

A New life

Talk July 21, 2013

Oren: Hello, thank you for being with us here for the New Life educational series with Dr Michael Laitman. Hello, Dr. Laitman. Hello, Nitzah Mizvos

Dr. Michael Laitman: Hello.

Nitzah: Hello.

Oren: We want to invite you to be with us for this lesson from Dr. Michael Laitman and we are going to learn how to take our life into a new place. A new life is a better life, a simpler life. It's just simply better. How is that? It is according to what Dr. Laitman is teaching us about a better connection between us and the people surrounding us. This is when we relate to the home and family where we live as a small laboratory where we want to learn to develop the ability to connect with someone else who is not myself. Parents, along with their kids, can do this, and they can learn how to actually get feedback from your kids. Also, we develop our ability to connect with people at work, in business, anywhere that we are. We can learn how to take everything in our lives to a new place, a connected place where we complete one another, we flow with one another, and suddenly discover that life is better. Do you want it? We want it as well. Be with us. And today we are discussing the family unit. You can include this in any part of life. I notice this for myself how you can apply it to any part of your life, even if it is about parents and children, because the same principal is working in every area of life. That's my personal experience from these discussions about family. Nitzah, introduce us to the discussion we are having today.

Nitzah: So, the discussion today is about transitions and changes in the family unit, family life, and in child's life and how it is natural. We know that growth periods always come with transition periods. There are periods that are usually characterized by lack of certainty, something new is happening, situations that we are not used to, sometimes we have to get used to certain things, and even separate from certain things. We want to open up, we want to escort the family from the first stage through all these stages and natural transitions that any family would go through. As parents we know that, whether we like it or not, it's a natural part of what we do, and everything that we learn here is how to do it in the most correct way. How to nurture the child in the best way for every transition phase. So, the first transition phase for a young couple is the stage where a baby begins the process of being wheened from the breast, the bottle or whatever it is feeding from. It is the process of wheening. What characterizes this period?

Dr. Michael Laitman: I do not know what is there to add here, because these are natural things. Even if we would not educate a person, he would still do this. According to his inner physiology, his inner development, his body development, he would still go from milk to fluid food and then to solid food, etc. But rather here, we need to understand what exactly in nature is really written. It's really rooted in nature that it would transition in a manner that is the closest as possible to our body and not according to our wisdoms that we are developing in the way we think like this today, like that tomorrow. In this way we are damaging the generation. Therefore, it says in the Torah, breastfeeding has to continue for two years and for sure man's body has not really changed, as we see with animals. There are changes though that are not changes that come from nature, but rather they come from us putting things into food like chemicals, and then in this manner our body changes through what we eat, what we drink, and radiation. We still change, but if we would not add the unnatural things, the changes would be very tiny. Therefore, I think that those two years of breastfeeding is truly the correct and good period for babies that are being born today. But you can really only start to add something if it is according to the plan of nature, because if everything exists according to the plan of nature, there is no reason to add anything. The mother's milk is correct, and healthy; it covers everything, all the bodily needs of the growing body of the child, of the baby. And afterwards, in a natural manner if we would finish the breastfeeding, it would not be so difficult to disconnect from this process, from receiving food in this manner to other food. Because it's the time that goes by, so it's difficult for us to speak about the correct stages. I am not going to criticise what's happening, and I am not going to promote things and pressure people to do something that we may not be capable of today. I see after two or three weeks the child is taken on all kinds of trips, and the child is given a bottle, so it will be easier to bring him to all kinds of places. There's nothing we can do about it. So, we still need to aspire to this situation. And truly our whole life at this time is to moving back to a time where many people won’t have work or the ability to reach families, the home, the term of home; one where the mother is breastfeeding the kids, and there's a time, place and the desire for it, and that the public themselves understand that it's important. They will give it a general importance, they will give the correct framework for it, and it's not difficult for a woman to be a mother. The mother is first and foremost someone who gives birth and breast feeds. That's it. So, the weaning process, I do not think it should be difficult, but if it's necessary than it needs to be done the way that people do it today, that they begin to replace it with, gradually, with a meal here, another meal, two meals. Then they check what's more correct for the baby. Even if there's really nothing to check here, we have to give something that is closest, according to their taste, so the replacement will really be a replacement. I do not want to criticise all these replacements that we have instead of mother's milk. This is the world; this is life. I think the general crisis that will bring us back to be close to nature will arrange this as well. And not that we need to be against what's happening now, but it has to happen in a natural manner. The person would need to understand what us in his best interest, that he will not go running after all kinds of imaginary goals, but rather that he will go back to a calm life in the family, raising children, and everything. Altogether, life according to what we are speaking about after the Integral Education, after this knowledge, this Integral Education, they will receive a form that will be clear how we need to build the breastfeeding period, and then afterward, after two years of breastfeeding, the child has to grow, again, only through the environment. Each time, we are not pressuring him, we are teaching him, and we are mainly giving him forms, the correct forms, from which he can learn. We show what's good, what's bad, like a theatre where the whole world, the whole life is ahead of him, appearing in front of him, and that's how he learns and; mainly and for sure, this is how he grasps these forms of life that are passing before him and that they will be arranged correctly. Because through this, kids obligate their parents, the big ones, to be correct in a correct life. That love for children actually obligates the parents to maintain themselves properly. And here we need to bring the parents examples from the entire spectrum of life, from all areas of life; how children grasp it through their senses, they do not even see it, they absorb it through the air. They are, like the way they were born, not seeing and not hearing, but really according to smell, what they smell is happening. From that, they really absorb their wisdom of life. Therefore, we need to, with our whole heart in this direct manner, with dedication, and directly, truly build our lives as a family, in such a way that what we will build now is what will build our children.

Nitzah: I want to ask. I feel what you have described here concerning to the weaning. If it's done in a natural manner, than it happens gradually by itself. I want to understand the concept of weaning. There's weaning off the diaper, there are other types of weaning. There's the process where the child gradually, is first of all glued to the mother then gradually begins the process of separation, of acquiring independence.

Dr. Michael Laitman: It has to be very gradual and in a manner that we identify it in the child in, himself there is a desire for it, the body itself is already prepared, and is doing some actions, some movements towards it. He is prepared for it and then we help him. But he has to show it. It's like birth; the correct time is when the baby wants to come out. The body itself develops, and the baby develops some kind of new relationship to it, and it has to get rid of something. The same thing is happening here. We are not comfortable, and we are not waiting; we are not waiting for that time like when in birth. Also when we are weaning ourselves from breastfeeding and the diaper, we are not waiting for the time when we see signs from the child developing, that he is ready to be whined; he is ready to get out of it.

Nitzah: Let's say I want to see what's happening with the kid. What signs would the child give?

Dr. Michael Laitman: He will take other things; he wants to take what you are eating. It's suddenly good for him, it's convenient for him. It happens in a natural way. Not that now we give him some replacement in a bottle, and we feed him and he cries, and we forcibly get him used to eating oat meal. If he wants to, or if he does not want to, it has to be in his time. Not that he sees things in his mother's plate, or he sees a steak, of course it is not suitable for him. It should not even be next to him; even those smells are not for him. But it should be something that suits him, like a few options that suit him: some mashed potatoes or pureed vegetables or pureed fruits. Sorry not mashed potatoes. Also according to the consistency and according to how he feels; it needs to suit the baby. Then we can see how much he cries or how much he likes it or not. And this has to be in a natural manner. The moment we see his an inclination to add more and more, but not after a few months; rather, it really has to be at least after a year. Let's state it like that.

Nitzah: What happens to the baby, with the child at this stage, where he actually goes through the stage where he himself is asking to be slightly more independent?

Dr. Michael Laitman: He has to. This is called developing naturally; he has a desire to reach a new stage, the next act. He finished it in a natural manner, he felt everything, he is mature in this, you can say, he is ripe, and he himself wants to break out of these things. And then the mother, the big mother, has to help him, but not before. That's called educating a child in his way, and in his case, it's also like that, in his way. According to how much he shows the signs that he is capable, prepared, and swallowing these things, he is capable of verifying what's good and what's bad. The body has finished developing physiologically inside in absorbing material, absorbing milk, let's say, so now he knows what's good for himself after milk. Like in a living body, he begins to identify this in a correct manner. Like we see a little puppy or a little cat having a piece of some plant and knowing what is good and what is not good for them to eat. Why can’t a person do that? A person is also built in such a manner. So we should give him or we should allow him to develop slightly like this. It really develops our immune system in a correct manner. We are very far from this.

Nitzah: Now, let's say, if I understand the principal behind the process of weaning, the child itself will gradually make steps towards this process, and he will show the desire to go to the next stage. Then the weaning happens in more natural and softer ways. Is it the same for the diaper?

Dr. Michael Laitman: It is the same for everything, and then a person will understand, in this life in general, how to reach the situation where he himself verifies what's good and what's bad. And not that it's being pushed and not that he’s being forced. Until we had modern chemical medicine, the modern pharmaceuticals, it was very different. Before you come to a doctor, I would precisely... I would recommend whomever is in Toronto to see there where they have a village, an ancient 200 year old village from when the Europeans came. There they have all types of examples of the life they used to live, and a doctor’s house is there. It's very interesting. I always take interest in this, so I went to see it. This doctor has a huge piece of land, and there all kinds of sections that show what he is growing, which plants, which herbs; all kinds of plants. Then he has a huge house, where he lives that is a very wealthy place. There's no house in that same village as wealthy as the doctor's house. But what's in the house? Part of it, he is drying plants, and in another part, he is preparing them. In other words, people knew, at least the doctor knew which things to use from nature. If we discover, in this manner as we spoke of, that if we give to our children the correct urge to develop, if we allow them to develop and to know the good inclination from the bad inclination, the nature around them, that this is good instead of mother's milk and this instead of that, then we will reach a state where they will be in some way similar to animals. They would know how to receive this medicine from nature itself. That is of course futuristic, but at least it’s for defence of the body, for good defence. It's very effective.

Nitzah: I want to go to the next stage after the weaning stage. It's the stage where the child was looked after by one person, the mother, then suddenly he goes to an environment where there are more kids then in the nursery school. What is the correct way to prepare the child for this, to make the correct preparation for this transition to the nursery school? Suddenly he has friends, other people. How can it be done correctly?

Dr. Michael Laitman: First of all, for kids, it depends on the period as to how we develop. But up to the age of two, the child does not feel the environment; he needs his mother, he needs his room, and he is between them. And it's good to not even to take him far away from the house, not even out of the house. It's not good. His body, until the age of two, cannot deal with the bad environment, the germs, all of the kinds of influences. Until the age of two, this is actually the time that he is continuing as if he is inside his mother; it's not even called being born yet. He is still living inside her, feeling her, and he has to feel her smell, her milk; all those things need to continue. And afterward, after two years, we begin to look at him not as at a baby, but rather as a small boy. And even then it's not so. Even though we’re not talking about society, but with games when he is going out, can already take place, but not in a dramatic way, not in as drastic as when he is taken for long trips, as though he understands something. He does not understand anything that's happening, just the opposite. All the things that we want to show him and we think that in that we are developing him, but we are doing the opposite; we are closing him off, because as a child, they are operating on him in a threatening manner. He is not prepared for that, he does not know what you are talking about. Look at the air plane, it scares him. Look at this horse, it scares him. All of these things, he needs to receive very gradually and according to his brain and feelings. It has to be suited, cycled, then in another wider and wider cycle in a gradual manner. So, if yes, here we need to do this. Maybe physiologists speak about it. I do not really know what's happening in that sector, but it appears to me that this is where we need to truly develop a process of how we regularly open the world to our children from the age of two and onward: in a way for boys and for girls. How do we talk to them? What do they listen to? What do they see? Etc. But it does not matter, whatever it is, it's not cars, it's not planes, trains, buses; it's not these noises, it's not technology to make a long story short. It's the world that is the closest as possible to nature: trees, grass, a dog, a cat, anything that exists in our environment and that kids like birds and other things. But also not scary and not far off, since he cannot understand this. Things that are very close to him. That which was always next to a person. Because we do not speak of it, but we also need to say between the lines that we have reshimot from previous generations. We are not just growing, and we are not just wise compared to the previous generations, but we are more developed than the previous generations. It is all the genes we have from the previous generation; we took them, and we are developing onward. Therefore, we need to take into account that all the natural development that we had in previous generation, a household, this natural household is still in our genes. We do not need to replace it with something artificial: cars, planes, and roads, etc. It needs to be as natural and pastoral as possible. It's very, very beneficial. And this is especially in the environment that we need to give to a child. Especially not to give all kinds of cartoons, and immediately to give them all kinds of other things. It's not even good that he will see these examples from the parents.

Nitzah: What do you mean?

Dr. Michael Laitman: They are watching TV and they are talking on the phone. These are things that are not. It's good for the child to grow up gradually like humanity, as it came to the 21^st century to the Internet and wireless, and mobile phones. Up until then, it developed in a simple way. Let's say in two or three years, these gadgets will come to a child’s life.

Nitzah: But even now they say that kids at a very young age, they know how to play with all this new technology, better than the parents.

Dr. Michael Laitman: But it is instead of their natural development, and afterward, it's missing, then instead of that, they will have all kinds of problems with their nervous system, immune system, etc.

Nitzah: So, it's really important. I want to hear why, because naturally, the child is exposed to what we are doing.

Dr. Michael Laitman: Every person in his life, in his seventy years, is similar to all of humanity in the way it developed and the entire universe developed. This is in general, and this is for an individual, but it is the same process. Therefore, we also need to attempt to build the child's life in a manner that after two years, he does not run to sit in front of the computer, hit a button, then see stuff in a manner that he will miss a different, natural perspective. He will be missing the depth, the smell, to touch it, to grab it in his mouth, the way kids do. Take him to some park where there's a dog, a cat, a tree, grass, sand, all those things. How many natural ways are there to be, other than those he sees on some flat screen? It's a completely different perspective. It's completely a crooked unnatural perspective not to receive the depth of five senses, using the five senses, the consistency. I am not in touch with nature. I see a form, I see a picture, and so what is that? Do you get it? We have to allow the same development of a child the same development that humanity went through, but just through five years instead of fifty thousand years. It has to be like this, in a manner that all kinds of systems are developed gradually, and each one develops and supports the other, one after the other. The fact that we push in a child’s face the TV, the screen, the mobile phone, the computer, each of those things that are flat and artificial, really ruins him; it builds for him an incorrect perspective of life. Afterward, he goes out to life and everything for him is one screen, not nature. Everything for him is a screen. His emotional development is harmed. Then afterward, take him in nature, and he will not understand nature. He does not understand it. The sea, the forest, for him it's not natural. We are not even aware of the extent of this, because we are still grasping it. Let's say, in a natural manner that it was once, but he grasps it in a literal way, and then he has the wrong attitude to life. It's like you let him watch all kinds of Hollywood movie as a child, so for him, killing a person or jumping of the roof is perfectly natural, and he will do it. He thinks that's what people do. He will get it without the protective systems. So, it's really not allowed.

Nitzah: When you spoke about it...

Dr. Michael Laitman: I see in my daughter. She does not allow my grandchild, who is four and a half, to get close to those things, not the TV, not the computer, nothing. The phone, yes. He sees people talking, so he likes to pretend he is talking on the phone. He takes it as if he is talking. That's also an example, a real example. But there's nothing you can do, since they are like monkeys, and they want to imitate us.

Nitzah: It also influences their ability to create social ties?

Dr. Michael Laitman: Yes, it's a virtual connection, of course; it is not a human connection. We see it on all those people that are on computers now, how often they are on. They do not have the right human connection.

Nitzah: Is that what might be the cause of all these attention deficits today, all the attention problems.

Dr. Michael Laitman: I do not want to make generalisation, and I do not want to get into things that I do not know the statics for; it's not really my territory. I am just saying that according to nature, and this I know well, a person comes from there, and it's how it has to be, for sure. How it happens today in society, how much it gets ruined or not, I do not know, because these modern things, the modern things that ruin us, I do not know so well.

Nitzah: So, let's talk about the transition. That is one of the most exciting things when a child goes from nursery school into grammar school.

Dr. Michael Laitman: Not even, because we are still in the nursery school. It depends. In the nursery school, he gets the foundations of life. This is very important. It's his relationships with others. It's speaking. It's that entire body of knowledge, the colors, and the smells, everything that is in nature around him, how we relate to everything, and how we protect ourselves from all these things that are close to him. How he will relate to a friend, how he will relate to a boy or a girl, we teach him all these things. To maintain himself up high in relation to development and also for protection; to be in the middle line; the golden path for everything. Nursery school, I think it's more important than grammar school. From the perspective of the emotional foundation, the nursery school is truly the school of schools.

Nitzah: It's the foundation; it's the basis for everything.

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Dr. Michael Laitman: Therefore, you need to see whether he is learning language and how he is talking. The nursery school teaches how to talk. Maybe in two languages, at least, because the child grasps everything. The vocabulary, the impressions, the way he expresses himself. How he expresses it in words, also in movements. When I look at children, I can identify which nursery school and which nursery school teacher he has, and the kinds of children that are around him; you can see it on him. And this is very important. Here you cannot compromise. You think oh, school will fix everything, but he will not learn afterward. If he has not been in a correct nursery school and has not developed himself with all kinds of enticements that were brought to him, gradually according to a plan, then he will not be developed properly, truly, he will not. I remember in my nursery school, I was taught to launder a handkerchief and all kinds of things. We did not really have a lot to play with apart from the slides and stuff. That was sixty five years ago. But still until today, I know myself, until today I can say that these and these things have remained with me from that period. I can differentiate them. That's from school from my first classes, and that's from nursery school. And from nursery school, I gained the way to relate to girls differently than to boys: you cannot hit them, you cannot scream at them, you can talk to them. I remember that. I even remember scenes where they taught us boys, compared to girls, how we need to treat them, and it remains with me. I am sure that it comes from there, all kinds of things. School does not deal with that afterward at all. School is science. It's a different height of development altogether. It's not emotional, it's social, and this is very basic.

Oren: So, let's stop and focus on this transition. We have a child that actually was not with kids until the stage when he joins a nursery school. It does not matter what school, he has his first change in life in which it began with being a child in a family with his mother, and he is about to go into society of kids.

Dr. Michael Laitman: Not right away. His mother is taking him there and is spending a day with him or half a day, however long the nursery school is. I do not know, it does not need to be longer than three, four, or five hours. That's it. His mother is there with him. Then afterward, in a natural manner, he starts to play some more with others, with himself, with the games, with the sand box, and he knows that his mother is there. A metre or two away from her. Sometimes she comes to play with him, sometimes he gets out of her sight, he goes to play in his corner, and his mother is in the kitchen or something. It's the same thing. He does not feel sharp transition; he is not being dragged to some place, thrown out of the car straight to the nursery school, and you are run to work.

Nitzah: There are kids that we see that are much more sensitive, they cry, and it does not matter how much the mother is there, and she tries.

Dr. Michael Laitman: Each and every mother is the same. If we educate them correctly, there is no problem. It's like we whine them after breast, from sucking. They whine themselves off of the mother too, and it will not be some drama, tragedy for him. But it will be in a natural manner. But it needs to be done naturally and not by force.

Oren: So, the principal here is to do it gradually.

Dr. Michael Laitman: The mother is there for half a day. And gradually both of them are operating in a manner that he is not looking at her, than he remembers, and he runs to her, you know. Until she can say, like when she is at home, “I am in the kitchen,” and then he knows that he can go to her. She may even go shopping or something, and then she comes back to him. This all has to happen in a gradual manner. There's no way around it. Because a child that is just left like that, you have taken life out of him; you’ve taken the source of life away from him. It's a terrible thing. It's a terrible tragedy that remains inside. Where do these criminals and all these terrorists come from? Where do they come from? From all kinds of the wrong forms relating to them in their childhood. We even have research about Hitler and all those great Natzis, the big Natzis. Where did they get this urge from? These are poor kids altogether.

Nitzah: These are very extreme events. The principal is the same principal. The child really signals that he has some trouble, and it's hard for him. And sometimes we do not know if it's normal or if it's not normal. Do we need to be with him or do we need him to release?

Dr. Michael Laitman: The same principal: always educate a child according to his way, to be sensitive to his needs.

Nitzah: Now let's go from the nursery school to school. What happens when the transition from the nursery school...

Dr. Michael Laitman: First of all, in the nursery, they need to begin teaching him: reading, writing, and numbers from the age of three. We must begin letters from the age of four; he needs to begin reading, reading freely, he needs to sing, he needs to know things, colors. At the age of five, five to six, he needs to learn this is higher, this is wider, more or less, comparisons. And from the age of six onward, then, it begins to be school. And school...

Oren: One second, before school. How should the transition be? We are talking about how to prepare him for this transition. Not that it's done in a tragic manner. Soon he will finish the nursery school.

Dr. Michael Laitman: Why does it have to be traumatic? If in the nursery school, you have the same kids that according to the same program and according to the same plan they are learning and they all come in a correct and normal manner, in a normal development of everyone and then they feel...

Oren: So, let me give you the first difference...

Dr. Michael Laitman: I am answering you. Why shouldn’t that same class that is in the nursery school go to school?

Oren: So, let me give you the first difference. In the nursery school, where there's a group of kids, we go through these experiences; we learn and develop like you explained. In school there are a few grades. It's not just one class. In school, I am going to grade one next year, and I will meet kids that above me, at least, till grade six. The transition is a big difference.

Dr. Michael Laitman: It should not be like that at all. It should be a school...

Oren: But there are no schools like this today. I am asking how to prepare my child for when he finishes nursery school.

Dr. Michael Laitman: He goes out to the yard, and he is in a wild west. I am not prepared even speak about it. It's …

Oren: That's the trauma. That's the trauma that the child is going to go through from being in one class.

Dr. Michael Laitman: Schools need to be divided in a very clear manner. Let's say the first four years.

Oren: OK, four years. There's me and there are three more grades above me. So, how do we prepare for this transition? That's precisely the question. How do we prepare for the transition from the nursery school, from being with my friends, to going into the next system if it's four, six years? Let's say there are other grades, and there they are related to as small people and big people. That's what he meets at school.

Dr. Michael Laitman: The teacher is important.

Oren: The teacher is also important.

Dr. Michael Laitman: So, I am asking you. What should we do?

Oren: We are at home. We are like parents. How do we prepare them?

Dr. Michael Laitman: Forget about the home. The home is from the age of two, and now his life is advancing through the nursery school. How from the nursery school...

Oren: How does he prepare himself for entering the next system? That's the question.

Dr. Michael Laitman: It's very simple. At least a month or two before, he should go into the class with his friends, with the same group, with the same group from the nursery school, and maybe from other nursery schools in the area. I would add and verify all these kids who are going into the class.

Nitzah: There is a principal of some consistency. Gradually I am getting to it.

Dr. Michael Laitman: I build inside the nursery school, the next class. A month or two, that which I started to say, a month or two before they come to the framework of school, a teacher comes to the nursery school and begins, along with them, begins to play and get to know them. And there are also mothers there. The mothers are also there in the nursery school. And then together, every day they have like a party. So, the kids get used to the teacher, and maybe not just one. And she gets to know them and she knows the parents, she gets to know the nursery school teacher and she accepts them the way they are. She accepts them as if they are going into a new nursery school called school. The things are very simple. Then when they go to school, how does the school need to be different from the nursery school? What do you think? If the transition has to be gradual and smooth? Half a time, they are playing in the yard. It's not the bell and they sit down, but a little more than the year before. From year to year like they advanced before, and they also need to advance from year to year. But now they sit in a circle, in the nursery school they sat in a circle, and they sang, and they talked; they continue the same way. The psychological problem that we have today is that we call it school all of sudden. It's not school. It's the same society developing, and each one in it is being developed for all kinds of things. They are being taught to play with better things, to do things with their hands, to paint things more carefully, to see all kinds of things, to get an example from it, they do all kinds of things with their hands, their ears, and even smelling. We are developing senses, but not just sensing how something smells, but to the extent that this is more than that, along with that, less than that. We are teaching them art, how things connect together, what things are made of. So that later it will be easier for them to understand the happiness that surrounds a person, and that they’ll just be a small fragment of life. And we develop them in this manner. Whether you call it nursery school or school, it does not matter what it's called. We are developing the same Integral Education method; we are continuing it, only we’re just adding some more knowledge. But the main thing is to add more knowledge. The main things is to add some more data.

Oren: What do you mean nature? What you said before this sand, a cat, a dog?

Dr. Michael Laitman: The natural things. We are adding knowledge. What's physics, chemistry, biology, zoology, botany? These are the natural sciences. We used to learn simple things: this is green, this is red, this is like that, and this is like this. Now we are learning more: these is flower, and this is color, and this is sound, and this is material, physics. This is how we break things and glue things, what laws we have in it; it's all according to example. It’s the way our wise ones learned two thousand years ago.

Oren: What do you mean an example?

Dr. Michael Laitman: They go out to a field, then it is explained to them about what's happening there, not in an artificial manner where they sit in a class like zombies, they all look at the teacher, and they talk about something that has no connection to life. I remember myself, but I myself had to explain things to the class that the teacher did not explain in all kinds of things. I remember, I explained to them how the refrigerator works. I grasped these things even though it was a bit abstract. They did not understand; they did not understand before. And why are students coming out of school not knowing anything, not remembering anything? Because it’s disconnected from their life. The principle is simple. We are continuing from nursery school onto school. There's no separation here; there's no separation. We are just expanding that same relations to animals, nature, people, the relations between them, but we are just expanding the horizon and getting into more depth. It has to be gradual and smooth.

Nitzah: Now I understood our strategy. I have to say, we here the parents. You just described truly the system of education, an educational system that goes through some constant process of development where there are no transitions. That's exactly it, and we in our experience today, like the systems as they are today, the child and we go through these transitions. The transitions exist. So, precisely when I was listening to what you said, I understood and felt that the child, in his natural state, he does not even experience this small crisis or these problems, when he has fears and all kinds of things. He does not understand where it is coming from.

Dr. Michael Laitman: I will even add to that for the future that we will talk about more. And afterward, when we get closer to a more problematic age, where there starts to be sex, pride, and conflicts that are natural for a person; that evil inclination that starts to grow in a person, jealousy and control. He starts to have all these things inside him. We have to divide each and every class, so they will not see big people and old people. They should not learn from those or from those. Not about the small ones controlling them, not about the big ones below them. Only in this manner, can we build for them a homogeneous universal class that knows how to look after itself, and there are no big people and little people, no weak and strong, or those that complete and those, etc. Only in this manner. Each age, from the age of nine/ten, transition from childhood to matriculation. There's no school where there’s the age range of five to fifteen or even more. Like I had from the age of seven to seventeen. I looked at them and they were really, they looked like monsters. It was scary. Something big where, “I am really willing to do anything for him just to look at me.” And if it is at four years like you described before, then in those four years, there's still a natural development. You can learn something from each child. You can learn something from a five year old.

Oren: How do I prepare him for going into a place where there is another three age groups aside of him?

Dr. Michael Laitman: I do not prepare him. I do not prepare him. He is at my school. It's a school for the fifth grade.

Oren: But let's start from a time where he went from nursery school to grade one. So, grade one is isolated? It's just grade one?

Dr. Michael Laitman: Let's say we are creating a different reality on a blank page. In an ideal manner, it should be like that. In an ideal manner, each class is by themselves. They have no connections with others.

Oren: OK, we are still not in an ideal reality. A kid goes into school with six grades. Let's go with you and say, that there’s four grades. I am going to be that small child in a framework of four years.

Dr. Michael Laitman: If we educate them properly from the age of six to ten - at the age of ten today they are pretty big, so until the age of nine - three years, let's say, they are developing according to nature: they are bigger, smaller but altogether in their height. And there are not yet urges with these little, small people: not jealousy, respect, control. They do not have the sneakiness yet. They do not have back brain, and they are still straight forward, direct. Even if they do these lies, you can see that this is in a natural manner. Not that they have two brains: the one that I want to present, and the one that I use to benefit from others; that is called the evil inclination, and they do not have it yet. Therefore, they can be together, maybe even three or four classes together. We do not want to teach the little ones, the bigger ones' corruption. I am saying that in brackets. It will be best if each class was their own yard, everything. They do not have anything together, and they do not need to be with thousand kids in the same yard where these small kids are pushed into some corner and the big kids come and, god knows what they are doing to them.

Oren: We are already close to the end. Nitzah, can you summarise.

Nitzah: The truth is that it gave me lots of thoughts...

Oren: Please, summarise what happened today.

Nitzah: What I learned and understood today is, first of all, the weaning process and, in general, I would say, this consistency. From the moment that child is born, there's a process, a constant process, and if we are more attentive to the child and his needs and his ripeness, then actually we are skipping the stages that we call transition phases, and actually it passes us in a natural manner without having these hardships along the way. It's true from the moment, from the first moment a child goes through some inner development where he wants to get away and be a more independent, and this transition from one environment to the next becomes much softer and more natural. This is the understanding in his manner.

Dr. Michael Laitman: We need to keep that same law, which means that we do not break nature.

Nitzah: The significance is that one child can be ready before..

Dr. Michael Laitman: There are lot more to add. But the main thing is even we are teaching him reading and writing, we especially want him to develop a memory. He wants to know songs and passages, and texts, like psalm of psalms, and he should learn as much as he can all by heart. The entire book is by heart.

Nitzah: We have a lot to learn.

Oren: OK, but our time is up. We are going to continue speaking about it. Thank you, Dr. Michael Laitman Laitman. Thank you, Nitzah. Thank you for being with us. Until next time. All the best in new life.

(End of the conversation)