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Daily Lesson (Morning) January 9, 2025.
Part 1: Baal HaSulam. Matan Torah [The Giving of the Torah]. #6
Reader: Hello, we are reading in the writings of Baal HaSulam, article, The Giving of the Torah, Matan Torah. We continue from Item six. You can find the study material on kabbalahgroup.info and in the Arvut system. You can also send questions live through those websites. Article “Giving of the Torah, Matan Torah”, in the writings of Baal HaSulam. From Item six.
Matan Torah [The Giving of the Torah] - Twice.
Reading: (00:38) But when we fully understand the essence of the Torah and Mitzvot that were given to us, and their desired purpose, to the extent our sages instructed us, which is the purpose of the great creation that is set before our eyes, we will understand everything. The first concept is that there is no act without a purpose. There is no exception from this rule except for the lowest of the human species or infants. Therefore, it is certain that the Creator, whose exaltedness is inconceivable, would not act—be it a great or a small act—without some purpose.
Our sages tell us about that, that the world was created only for the purpose of observing Torah and Mitzvot, meaning, as our sages explained, that the aim of the Creator from the time He created His creation is to reveal His Godliness to others, since the revelation of His Godliness reaches the creature as pleasant bounty that is ever growing until it reaches the desired measure.
By this, the lowly rise with true recognition and become a Merkava [chariot/structure] to Him, and to cling unto Him until they reach their final completion: “The eye has not seen a God besides you.” And because of the greatness and glory of that perfection, the Torah and the prophecy, too, refrain from uttering even a single word of exaggeration here, as our sages implied about this (Berachot 34b), “All the prophets made their prophecies only for the days of the Messiah, but for the next world, ‘The eye has not seen a God besides you,’” as is known to the knowledgeable ones.
This perfection is expressed in the words of the Torah and the prophecy and in the words of our sages in the simple word, Dvekut [adhesion]. Because of the widespread use of this word by the masses, it has lost almost all its content, but if you reflect on that word for even an instant, you will be overwhelmed by its wondrous stature, for if you picture the exaltedness of the Creator and the lowliness of the creature, you will be able to perceive the value of Dvekut of one with the other. Then you will understand why we ascribe that word the purpose of the whole creation.
It turns out that the purpose of the whole of creation is for the lowly creatures to be able, by observing Torah and Mitzvot, to rise ever upward, ever developing until they are rewarded with Dvekut with their Creator.
M. Laitman: Read it again.
Reader: Again, Item six.
Reading: (06:36) Matan Torah [The Giving of the Torah] #6.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (12:00) Can we say that at any moment there is a moment of adhesion?
M. Laitman: In every state? No. What do you mean? Adhesion is a state where the Creator and the created being are in equivalence. The Creator gives the created being this spectrum, from the smallest to the largest, greatest, and the created being tries to reach the Creator in every instance, every option, and so he attains the point of adhesion.
Student: Complete adhesion is at the end of correction.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: On the way to the end of correction, there is a spectrum, as you say.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I'm trying to understand the stages, steps of adhesion.
M. Laitman: The stages of adhesion, well, that's from zero, all the way up to the final point.
Student: What is the zero point at the beginning of adhesion? It's what?
M. Laitman: It's where the created being grabs hold of some little point which symbolizes the beginning of equivalence between them.
Student: In every state a person goes through there is an opportunity for adhesion, a moment of adhesion?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What is that moment?
M. Laitman: It's a state where, each time, it's a more advanced, higher state in the relationship between man and the Creator.
Student: Prayer to the Creator, turning to the Creator, even a thought in the direction of the Creator, is that a moment of adhesion already?
M. Laitman: Yes, you could say that.
Student: This moment is a temporary state or is it a constant connection that is being built?
M. Laitman: It's a connection that is built and keeps developing.
Student: Let's just say that you have to be ready to give up everything except for adhesion.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What is that state of adhesion?
M. Laitman: It's where a person opens up his senses, opens his senses towards the Creator who opened Himself, in turn, and he arranges it so that all of his senses—the person's senses—will be compatible with the Creator's senses that he reveals.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:25) Can you reach any degree of adhesion without love of others?
M. Laitman: No. No. No, because it's specifically here, it is that “love your friend as yourself” is the goal and the adhesion is what you get on the way to that goal.
Student: I'm trying to change the perception that the Creator is something where He accepts me the way I am without making any changes, without turning my heart to face outside of me, the friends, without that, there cannot be an adhesion, even to the smallest degree right?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: Do you think that we, let's call it points in the heart, that we're able to, right now, after all these years, we're able to come out of ourselves and turn to love of others as clearly? Is there such a possibility? Do we have the power to do it?
M. Laitman: I think so. I also need to answer the same question. Are we capable of it? Is it for us and so on.
Student: What does it mean to clearly turn my heart to the other? Clearly, not that I'm informed of reading about it and studying it.
M. Laitman: I open myself up to the influence of the Creator and the Creator opens my heart towards others in every possible way.
Student: When I say attack the Creator, it doesn't bring me any change. The other, yes, as Baal HaSulam says, if it's outside of me, it can bring me change, but a Creator is something warm that can embrace me without any change.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I want to create a change now. They tell me there's a congress about Lishma. I want myself and friends to simply move the heart like with an arrow, move it to a new place, a new direction, completely. A change of perception. How can you do it? Simply toward the other. It's actually written down.
M. Laitman: Meaning that I need to see the Creator in front of me as the desired goal. It's clear to me that in the attainment of that goal, I need to be willing to give up everything and that in attaining that goal. I have no obstacles. Rather, it's the opposite. Anything that looks to me like an interruption, an obstacle on the path, exists—is there—so that I will adapt myself to be, so as to be exactly in adhesion with the Creator.
Student: Can I mark a new target for myself? I now have a target called love of others which, I discern, is different from what I've had thus far.
M. Laitman: Yes, we could say that I reach love of the Creator after I reach love of others. Love of others comes first.
Student: So seemingly, forget about the Creator, love of others, seemingly?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (20:59) He writes further down that if you depict the godly matter and the value of the lowly creature and you'll be able to understand the relationship of adhesion, Dvekut. If the relationship between these two states, if the person should feel the voice of the upper one, who tells him, You have made me, if that exists in each and every commandment, and also the depiction of godliness is something a person does.
M. Laitman: Of course.
Student: So, relative to adhesion, does that exist?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: This feeling that I got everything from Him, the attitude toward Him and the outcome of the friends?
M. Laitman: Yes. Most especially.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (22:06) He says that the matter of His godliness comes to the creature as a pleasant bounty that is ever growing until it reaches a desired measure. By this, the lowly rise with true recognition, so on and so forth. The idea of adhesion, is that a form of pleasure?
M. Laitman: Of course, it has to be sensed, felt as something pleasant but the main thing here is the knowledge that a person receives through adhesion, the knowledge of adhesion, that he is equal to, that he is adhered to the Creator.
Student: It says that it reaches the creature as a pleasant bounty that is ever growing.
M. Laitman: Yes
Student: Until it reaches the desired measure. It's like a scale showing you how close you are to the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Does it have an end point?
M. Laitman: No, no end point. Infinite.
Student: So, you can say that a moment of adhesion or is it incorrect to say a moment?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes, you could.
Student: Every moment of adhesion can be compared to the previous one or it stands on its own?
M. Laitman: It joins with everything that preceded it.
Student: Then it says that it comes to the point of “the eye has not seen a god beside You.” What is that?
M. Laitman: What you discover, according to your vessels, according to your character, according to your points. It's yours and yours alone.
Student: When Kabbalists write to one another or they have this language between them, each one really speaks of his own impression?
M. Laitman: Of course. No one can speak about the impression of others.
Student: Nevertheless they understand one another?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes, they are all created beings.
Student: They speak of states of adhesion between them?
M. Laitman: Yes, states of adhesion between them and the Creator.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (25:06) I heard that I have to give up everything. What does it mean to give up everything?
M. Laitman: Giving up everything means that you have nothing that's more important to you than adhesion with the Creator.
Student: Will this concession bring me to the recognition of my true lowliness? What does it mean to reach the recognition, the awareness of my true lowliness?
M. Laitman: That through adhesion with the Creator, you attain the maximum point. There's no higher thing than that.
Student: It says here that to be in adhesion with the Creator, I have to first reveal my lowliness. From this lowliness, I receive the bounty from Him. I'm asking, what does it mean to get to know my lowliness? Is it something I get to know throughout the path more and more?
M. Laitman: Yes, as you advance in the attainment of wholeness, perfection, you reach states where you discover your own lowliness more and more.
Student: This feeling of lowliness is something that I lose from myself, something that I lose something of my self-love, something that I don't exist here, that I have nothing to hold on to, only the friends and the prayer to the Creator. You feel that you have nothing else.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Is that a state where you want only this adhesion?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (27:17) You said to the friend earlier, what appears to me as disturbances is in order to adapt myself, prepare myself for adhesion with the Creator. So the question is, how to work correctly when a disturbance appears because when a disturbance appears, there's a tendency to take care of it externally. It doesn't help. It only extends it. How to work with it correctly?
M. Laitman: You have but one address, the Creator. Only He can correct your attitude from a state where it's revealed to you, that also comes from Him, from the Creator, and up to the point where you adhere to Him. That's it. With respect to the Creator, you have these two points: the first one is separation and the final one which is adhesion.
Student: You see in the Ten disturbances. For example, my disturbance is very light for another friend and vice versa. Friends have disturbances that I totally don't get. The question is, how to relate to the nature of the disturbance? What should a person learn, if at all, from his own character, his own nature?
M. Laitman: One should learn from it that the lack of adhesion in which these states are revealed to him, with every step as he rises from state to state towards the Creator, so that the lack of adhesion is a natural thing which the Creator created deliberately-so, for the person to feel how opposite he is to the Creator and for the person to then ask for adhesion. There's nothing else you can do here, only ask for adhesion. How it will come about from lack of adhesion, reaching adhesion, a person doesn't know how to do that.
Student: All that's left is to ask. Now, there are states during the disturbance where I look ahead and I see that this disturbance might pop up and it seems pretty simple for me to take care of it when I look ahead at what's about to happen. Then, when you get there, without paying attention, you once more fall into the same disturbance.
M. Laitman: Happens, everything happens on the way, and a person should learn from that.
Student: How can we help each other in the Ten with the disturbances? Because as I said, my disturbance may not do anything to another friend,and vice versa. How can we help the friends with that?
M. Laitman: You can help, by example, even though I don't know the friend's situation, his act towards me, he gives me an example which I need to copy from his externality to my internality.
Student: I didn't quite understand, if you can elaborate.
M. Laitman: Meaning that I should simulate the states he goes through and as I go through, well, I understand him externally but, as for myself, I try to adapt myself to him in the innermost way.
Student: If I understand it correctly, if I have a disturbance that really gets to me and the other sees it is small, when I look at the friend, I need to think that he's dealing with something that appears simple to me, just like it's not easy for me, it's also not easy for him, and that's how I should relate to him.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (32:30) Do we need to become familiar with each other's disturbances? Is there a way to understand what disturbs the friend or is a general example fine enough?
M. Laitman: It's enough, what each one has from the others.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (32:54) I heard, before, that a person has to open up his senses to the influence of the Creator. What does that mean?
M. Laitman: That all the desires, thoughts, one opens them to the influence of the Creator in order to feel and maintain adhesion with the Creator.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (33:42) He says that the purpose of creation is that by observing Torah and Mitzvot, lowly creatures will be able to adhere to the Creator, whom he describes as exalted, whole, and perfect. Meaning there's a Creator who's great and glorious and a lowly creature and there's a way for the created being to take upon himself to adhere to the Creator and to do something else here—he might be able to reach the purpose of creation, equivalence of form. The higher the goal the person takes the friend as great, the Rav is great, the Creator is great, the greater he makes that goal appear, the lowlier he feels. Sometimes, there is a desire to escape the campaign and not to look at it and not to deal with it. Where do we get the strength to hold on to such an image that you are a lowly creature and not run away from that depiction?
M. Laitman: One should always receive some influence, some disturbance from the Creator and he has to understand that this is all on the path to wholeness, perfection and that, ahead of him, there are still many degrees, many steps, and he only needs to be ready not to disregard them but, rather, to hold on to them and to receive them as things that have to be received on the path. Each one of his friends also receives disturbances, disruptions in accordance with how he needs to ascend and according to what he needs to receive and to take upon himself. All these disturbances—and through them we reach adhesion, right?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (37:10) I imagine the Creator as an attitude of love. How to relate to other people, ideally, the way to ideally relate to other people but, in the Ten, we work to have the power to realize this attitude in practice?
M. Laitman: To relate to the friends in such a way where you want to resemble them, each and every one, and what seems prominent in him to you, in that you want to resemble him.
Student: Let's say I depict this attitude of love and if I have the power to realize it, that's adhesion?
M. Laitman: Yes, love is the feeling of adhesion.
Student: Beyond the correct way of relating to everyone, that's really the revelation of the Creator. I have no more to demand, just how to relate correctly.
M. Laitman: Try to see in each and every one some special way in which he relates to the society, in which he is adhered to it and how, in his way, he intends to be adhered to the Creator through that.
Question (Karmiel): (39:16) A person needs to go from zero adhesion to complete adhesion. In that, the light doesn't change, the will to receive doesn't change, the intention comes and goes. What actually changes inside of a person throughout this process?
M. Laitman: The will to receive; it keeps growing and the person needs to attach himself above the will to receive to the Creator.
Question (PT 25): (39:56) Why did our sages define our purpose with the word adhesion and how can we deepen its meaning for us in our daily work in the Ten?
M. Laitman: Each day, I examine myself to see to what extent I change, see a new world, new people, my friends of course. Through that, the more I see my perceptions changing, I must accordingly determine my degree of adhesion to the appearance of the Creator through the world towards me and the extent to which I can be like Him.
Question (Belarus): (41:28) What does it mean that the world was created in order to observe the Mitzvot, the commandments of the Torah?
M. Laitman: The world was created. We feel it. It appears before us exactly in order to guide us towards full adhesion with the Creator. That's it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (42:05) It’s felt, the friend touched it, that adhesion always comes at the expense of concessions. The greater the concession, the more difficult it is. The adhesion is more precise, maybe.
M. Laitman: Well, let's see. Continue.
Student: What should a person give up relative to his friends? It often meets me in that place where in every action that I have to perform towards a friend, I have to make a concession there. One of the most important things is time. Time is extremely important for a person. It's very precious and he always has to give it up relative to the action of connection. Why is it this way? What is this, what is this concession and the power that exists in it?
M. Laitman: You express yourself. You perform actions, rather, you give up yourself. You perform actions which aren't yours and you have no other means by which to achieve adhesion with the Creator.
Student: Adhesion with the Creator is a concession that I make toward the friends?
M. Laitman: Mostly so, yes.
Student: On the one hand, I feel that the concession, as you describe it, is part of our path.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Part of our advancement. On the other hand, there's the example of carrying a suitcase for that important person. The person is great and important and, seemingly, cancels the annulment, the concession, sorry, when there is no concession, when I feel that this is an action without concession because when it's important to me, it sounds like it's always the ego.
M. Laitman: Yes, of course.
Student: So the concession is essential?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (45:10) If you can go a little further into what you just said, what I heard you say: every day I check myself, how much I change. I see a new world, new people, and friends. Then, inside of that, to the extent that I see my perception change, I determine what is my adhesion in the appearance of the Creator, specifically through this world. Here, this transition that a person does between corporeality and spirituality. My question is about the approach of a student. The world outside is, seemingly, very important. It's perceived somehow by me, I always condemn it. I judge it harshly, the way I think but the minute we reach connection, adhesion with the Creator, it will appear perfect to me, everything on the outside, because the Creator created it. It will appear whole and perfect. How do you annul before all that? We're completely opposite to that?
M. Laitman: Yes, we are opposite, but, opposite that comes the upper light which glues us to that spiritual root, the one singular and unique one and, so, there's no conflict or contradiction.
Student: There's certainly no problem. The problem is about us, how to attain the upper force, how, each time, make it our goal to reach the upper force.
M. Laitman: Gradually within the person, grows a feeling which is inner. In it he feels his compatibility with the Creator, how he matches with the Creator. The more a person pays attention to it, he sees that this is the only way in which he can grow, be, and adapt to the Creator.
Student: How can a person see the friends and relate to them, see the potential and the connection between them? How to close the gap so that I will constantly see in the connection between us, in the Ten, this entire thing called the spiritual world that will be as a potential for adhesion of the Creator?
M. Laitman: Repeat.
Student: There is me. There's the friends. There's the connection between us. In the connection there is the potential for the entire spiritual world to open up before the person, for the Creator to dwell there, or the created beings, it gets corrected, it goes through all the processes, creation. How to grasp, how to grasp it like that each time? That this depth will not be felt throughout the day but if i got to something, small potential, glimpse of the connection between us and I latch onto it, I don't let go, what would help it?
M. Laitman: It's another point in your perception of the Creator.
Student: That's how I see it.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (49:44) What puts a person in adhesion? What brings about this state?
M. Laitman: What brings a person to adhesion? Only the inclination to adhere to the Creator. If he wants to attain adhesion with every, with each and every action.
Student: This tendency, this attention, concentration, how does it come to a person? How does it grow stronger in him?
M. Laitman: It comes from the root point in his heart which is revealed and then draws the person towards the Creator because it is an outcome of how the Creator relates to the person.
Student: If the Creator makes this tendency stronger, I'll have more adhesion. If no, not.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How can I add to this tendency that the Creator brought me?
M. Laitman: Agree. Pray. Try with all your opportunities, all your inner forces, to assist that.
Student: Look at the Ten reinforce this tendency?
M. Laitman: The Ten is, of course, built in such a way that it assists a person in reaching that.
Student: Adhesion is felt after the attainment or do you feel it even before?
M. Laitman: Adhesion is felt as an outcome of complete attainment.
Student: He writes that their final wholeness is the eye has not seen a God beside You. What does it mean? That each one has his own adhesion, his own personal attainment?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Where are our attainments, each one in his own attainment, his own adhesion?
M. Laitman: Around, all around. A person has many points of adhesion, of attachment. The points of Tariag 613, Tariab 612, where a person needs to, he needs to discover that all these points, although they're at the root, they're fundamental. It's still not complete adhesion. Complete adhesion is when one point is that adhesion of a point to a point.
Student: But it says, the eye has not seen a God beside You meaning my eye, the eye of the friend, and the other friend?
M. Laitman: That's something different, something else.
Student: Each one sees something different ao where do everything each one grasps connect? Do I need to attain something specific and you attain something specific? Where does it connect into something mutual?
M. Laitman: That happens at the end of correction. At the end of correction, everyone connects together with everyone because the force of the Creator, the One unique, He connects everyone to that single, singular feeling which is Him.
Student: Then, there are no separate realities, separate attainments.
M. Laitman: There cannot be.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:42) What is spiritual attainment? Is Attainment inner feeling?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So we connect in our feelings?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:57) Following the friend's scrutiny, when he asked about concessions, he said that you make concessions mostly in the Ten. Now, concessions, typically we give up time and desires, and that's concession. I need to take someone's place. I don't have a desire for it, but I do it. What makes this concession something spiritual, something that helps me be more adhered to the Creator?
M. Laitman: The purpose, the purpose of the concession where I direct myself towards a tighter bond with the Creator.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (55:54) At the end of item 6, he writes that they go, rise ever upward, ever developing until they are rewarded with adhesion with the Creator. These are degrees of bestowal, right? What does it mean, greater bestowal each time or bestowal each time?
M. Laitman: Each time that I, with the conditions that I discover, I adapt myself so as to become more similar to the influence, the bestowal I get from the Creator more and more so.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (56:58) A person, when is he ready, ripe for adhesion?
M. Laitman: He's ready for adhesion when he is in a group where everyone wants to be connected in one heart. Three, or Ten, or a hundred, or three hundred, three thousand, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how many. But they all want to feel that they exist in one heart. They cannot agree with feeling as separate beings to each other.
Student: When the Creator looks at us and tests us, what is He most meticulous about?
M. Laitman: This, the extent to which a person wants to be adhered with the hearts of the friends.
Student: How do you develop your disagreement to not be an adhesion in the heart of the friends?
M. Laitman: It comes as an outcome, a result, from the Creator Himself as He illuminates upon you with your own specific, special illumination. And then you understand that there is no one else here. It's only the Creator alone giving you this feeling.
Student: This transition, to live in contact with the heart of the friends, what's most beneficial for a person? What advances you toward such a reality where you don't want to live another day if you don't have contact with them in your heart?
M. Laitman: You adhere to the friends more and more and you want to be adhered to them in mind and heart. And you understand that if you reach such adhesion with your society, through that you attain everything.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:00:07) I still want to scrutinize if I get it. I will not see, have not seen a God beside you. It doesn't say that I have not seen God but haven't seen God beside you, someone outside of you. Meaning, who sees God?
M. Laitman: You discover the upper force in your own inner vessels that only you can feel, understand, and what's revealed is your God.
Student: So, what does it say beside You?
M. Laitman: Beside You? Meaning that nobody else can attain it other than yourself.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:01:17) In the paragraph it says, our sages tell us about that, that the world was created only for the purpose of observing Torah and Mitzvot, commandments, meaning, as our sages explain that the aim of the Creator from the time He created His creation is to reveal His godliness to others. What does it mean to reveal His godliness to others, which is the intention?
M. Laitman: The Creator has the power to influence, to impact what's outside of Him, the whole of creation, and that He does, that's it. That object, let's call it, receiving this influence, this bestowal from the Creator understands that it received this bestowal from the Creator and so wants to adhere to Him. That's it. You could say many words, but I'm...
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:03:12) I have questions about concessions. How to correctly scrutinize what you need to give up? I understand that you have to scrutinize it relative to the friends and put the intention in it that I want to reach the Creator. How can a person check to see if that's what he's truly doing?
M. Laitman: If a person above all the problems, issues, himself towards the externalities, then he comes closer to the Creator.
Student: Relative to the externals, meaning towards the friends?
M. Laitman: It doesn't matter, whoever appears to him external, outside of him.
Student: Okay, outside of him but with the same goal?
M. Laitman: No, maybe so, maybe not. I'm not scrutinizing that.
Student: I didn't get it. What should a person make concessions about? Relative to what?
M. Laitman: One should make concessions towards,with respect to every inclination that we have towards others, and to see if we can be in adhesion with them or not.
Student: What does it mean an inclination that I have in the others?
M. Laitman: You check to see if you're close to them or not.
Student: So, my test is only internal relative to the friends, the others?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And then I need to give up any distance toward the others?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: That's what a person should relinquish?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: In what actions… I'll tell you why I ask, what should I not give up on?
M. Laitman: Rather than the inclination towards the Creator, that has to always be unique, singular. Something that a person always chases after. Other than that, nothing.
Student: Nothing. You gave an example of someone who wants to adhere to the Creator. He wants to be righteous, so he walks with shoes without soles.
M. Laitman: It's a joke.
Student: A person hears that he has to make concessions, he starts. What's the connection between that and adhesion with the Creator? What would be adhesion that would bring him to the Creator and which adhesion would bring him to pride and without even knowing, distance?
M. Laitman: It's all according to what he places before him, a purpose. The purpose to adhere to all created beings if that's his purpose. Then, maybe he rises in his estimation, maybe in their estimation, and so he advances. If you can call it advances, advancing.
Student: This concession, how can a person do it in practice? He doesn't have the strength to do it. He's holding on, he's not letting go.
M. Laitman: It depends on the concession. We see that the entire world is making concessions. Each one here goes to work, goes to some shop, organizes, and cleans up his house. Each one needs to overcome it somehow.
Student: How to distinguish egoistic overcoming to attain a greater fulfillment? The concession we're talking about has to bring me to adhesion with the Creator.
M. Laitman: You'll discover that on your own, on the path.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:08:40) I have to give up also my personal attainment? Complete adhesion?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: The force of separation is still at work here. It works here. It highlights everyone. There are all kinds of states, people with influence. A long time ago, there was an algorithm. Each one receives a coin from the king to pass it somewhere else. He has a connection with the king. He looks after the coin. He polishes it. I don't know. It's a personal connection with the king. But you have to reach a certain point.
Student: You have to turn it into a treasure, you have to give it up, you have to do it, you don't want it. We talk and everything is scrutinized, it's my personal attainment, but to reach complete adhesion you have to give it up?
M. Laitman: This you learn along the way. Along the way.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:10:18) Before the act of concession, a person checks his intention: why am I making a concession, why am I about to do it. My question is, after the act. Let's say I made a concession. How do I check and see that it wasn't a lie, that this intention was real, I didn't lie to myself?
M. Laitman: It's in that very same examination. That's where it happens.
Student: I didn't get it. During the action?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I check, for example, that I'm happy that I'm making a concession?
M. Laitman: Happy, unhappy, that's an additional examination. Why? What am I happy about?
Student: Precisely, what fills me with joy, maybe I'm just being proud that I made a concession.
M. Laitman: Yes, that's clear.
Student: But when I'm making a concession, there's an advice that I'm about to make a concession, I feel like I'm cutting something off from me, from his mind. But together with that, we're commanded to work in gladness. So, how do you combine this sorrow with the gladness?
M. Laitman: Because between the sorrow and the joy, there's the attainment of the goal.
Student: I have many goals in life, and I'm happy that I attain them. How do I know it's clean?
M. Laitman: That you go through the absolute resistance against the attainment of that goal.
Student: Complete resistance?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: The greatest resistance in a person?
M. Laitman: Yes, because then you need a greater act of overcoming. And then, accordingly, you measure your regard for what you attain.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:12:51) Let's say, friends decided they want to gather, have a meal tonight. The person has to give up something. It's not convenient. It's not pleasant. It's got all kinds of other issues. Take care of it. You can't make it. As you said, this behavior has to be serious and do it, after all. But how can a person come to it? Where he comes to the gathering, because this has to be always in faith above reason, to go to such a meeting. Can he make those concessions with his own strength?
M. Laitman: No. If it's truly the real point of disturbance, he cannot give up his forces because that point too does not come from him precisely, but rather in his attitude towards others.
Student: He has to sit, and pray, and ask for something to happen?
M. Laitman: No, no. Sitting and asking won't. Nothing will happen.
Student: He has to ask his friends. How does he come to it? How does he make this concession to be real and above reason?
M. Laitman: That when he goes through that point and constantly is thinking about the concession, by that he comes to beginning to feel.
Student: And then in the end it happens?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Every person naturally wants to connect. He says, I want to have a true friend, I want to lose one man, one heart. I think everybody feels it. What's the problem? The problem is he doesn't find such a friend because each person is different, has his own interests. But you're saying, in this path, we need to connect as one man and one heart. Can we connect like that between us, or do we connect in the Creator? How can we connect without the Creator between us?
M. Laitman: We can connect also between us and also in the Creator. It's the same thing.
Student: It can't just happen one without the other?
M. Laitman: No.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:16:15) Dvekut is a return to the Creator. Dvekut brings a person back to the Creator. What's the purpose of yearning to the Creator and the ability of a man to come back to Him?
M. Laitman: It's in the same direction. Whether it's yearning to the Creator or the desire for adhesion to the Creator, it draws a person to the Creator.
Student: How can we strengthen our yearning to the Creator?
M. Laitman: By understanding that His glory fills the world, and that in all the actions that we feel upon ourselves, He is One, and Unified, that decides and performs them.
Student: Is it something that we can also do in the Ten, let's say by discussing it?
M. Laitman: Yes. We gradually agreed to it. Even if we don't receive precise answers later, we see that specifically in this way, one completes the other.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:18:13) I recognize a person can make concessions only to the extent that he is adhered to that purpose and the Creator that his ability to do any such action is to the extent that he already has some kind of connection or desire for the Creator beyond that he can't do anything.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Many times we say oppositely that if a person makes concessions, then he'll reach adhesion. We also learn that it depends on the environment a person makes for himself. I also see that to come out of this loop, the only thing I'm able to do is to strengthen the connection in the group. And that can help me advance and develop. But it's only with the help of the light that I can ascend to such a degree. So, how do you draw the light? Because the fact that I'm trying to concede, I'm not drawing any light that will really help me succeed in that action. I need a basis. What is that basis that I have to build? We'll really advance and see that we're able to concede more, that we're able to do more spiritual actions. What is this true base we have to build that helps us ascend?
M. Laitman: I would say it's more in one's heart that a person, in the internality of his heart, feels that the answer to this business, this goal, is closer to the attainment of truth. What you're asking now is all, you could say, given to one's heart, where he needs to feel what one is drawn to more, or that it is given to one's desire. And then he has a scrutiny between the desire and the truth. That's how we get there. And each time we want to discover more real things, but it doesn't quite go for us until we come to a state in which only the Creator knows how to do. And besides Him, we have no one to rely upon. And then we cry out to Him because we don't have any other possibility to scrutinize the truth. Only in this way. And He is the one who scrutinizes.
Student: We are told that a person must exert, and the Creator must complete the job, but he is not free to relieve himself from the work. And the feeling is that all these actions, for myself, bring me to just a world of lies. But this discernment is very important. The fact that I know this doesn't give me the privilege not to work, but I already know that I'm working for my own forces. So the question is, in this work, when a person understands that his work isn't true but it does bring a result, what's his attitude to the work when he already understands it? What right relation does he get towards the work when he's already in a state that even though it's a lie, it brings him to the truth? How can he hold it correctly?
M. Laitman: That's all our work in this world. Our world is a world of falsehood. And how. But we're in it, and we live in it, and we don't let go of it in order to be rewarded with the day and one's day, to exist.
Student: Why am I asking? Because we should be happy in the work in order for it to be whole. That will really help me advance, I have to be happy in it. And if I discover that my work is in such a great loneliness, so there's no happiness in it, in the heart. How can you invert it so this work that is low in my eyes will still be in happiness?
M. Laitman: But who receives the work?
Student: So, I have to feel that someone is getting this work, and then I'll be happy from it. This connection between the work and the one receiving the work, that's crucial. If I don't feel it, I can't be happy, because the work itself is tasteless.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: There's like a point of connection there that you have to hold on to so we'll really have taste in this work.
M. Laitman: We have to reach that point. Without that, we have no feeling of wholeness in what we do.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:26:48) You said before that a person has to attain the full resistance, and from that, he can overcome. So a person knows when he reaches a state of resistance, and he concedes ,and agrees,because we learned that, I guess it's in my vessels that I have to organize something, but how not to remain in a state of resistance,but there to actually increase or find a place for true deficiency,in order to find more of adhesion?
M. Laitman: You have more friends.
Student: And if they don't feel that resistance?
M. Laitman: Because it's not right. Each towards his society needs to feel himself as a leader.
Student: But because we know that it's right to work through resistance, so I can remain in such a state. What will help us advance onward? How will we discover a place to advance from the resistance?
M. Laitman: We need to receive this resistance, all the disturbances,in the way of signs,thanks to which we come to the correct decision.
Student: In that state, when a person makes the right decision, how does his heart change? What changes internally in such a state in a person? What happens inside?
M. Laitman: His heart seemingly flips, inverts, somewhat. It's even one percent, but it's enough for him in order to see that he's on the correct path.
Student: We are learning to work through that resistance, and we have to see it as a gradual development ,and to accept it. It's part of a process, right?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:29:41) You were talking with the friend about true and false work. And you said in the end the person has to reach that point because it's crucial. Can you just maybe explain more about that, what you meant?
M. Laitman: I really don't remember. Yes, but I'm not on the same matter already. We'll wait.
Student: It turns out that what I understood, the scrutiny is between the friends. The truth is something internal that depends on the person himself. That between the friends it's only an expression of what a person goes through internally. So in that, how does a person work? It's only him and the Creator inside, right? So ,what should happen there? How can a person work with that?
M. Laitman: He can't work with it and he doesn't work with it. But through his actions, the external ones, seemingly external, he comes to a state that his heart agrees.
Student: And that's through working with the friends. It's external actions and on the outside what happens to him, it's not connected. Now, lies that a person lives in are internal things that can be very deep. So, a person has to reach extreme states in order to reveal them. We don't have such extreme states in society. It's pretty... So, if a person doesn't reach extreme states, he won't reach the truth?
M. Laitman: No, it doesn't have anything to do with it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:32:23) How can the Creator take care of everybody and all of reality at the same time personally, all 8 billion people?
M. Laitman: Thanks to what?
Student: Yes, how can the Creator do that?
M. Laitman: Thanks to His strength and His mind.
Student: That's what I want to ask Him. Why does a friend in his Ten, he can't be concerned about those few close friends he has at once and each one personally? How to resemble the Creator in this? How to take that force?
M. Laitman: For the Creator it's possible, and for the created being it's impossible.
Student: So, it's impossible to reach the state that you're concerned?
M. Laitman: No, it's possible, but in the forces of the Creator being, it's these complete those, and those these, and by this they build the true attitude of the Creator towards them.
Student: So, only by completing, when we complete.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:33:49) What does it mean to turn to the friend's heart? To recognize that point in the heart?
M. Laitman: The most eternal desire that is very precious to him. That's it.
Student: Does it depend on my development? While entering spirituality it's as much as I'm developing?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How can I help a friend disconnect from thoughts on himself? If I even can.
M. Laitman: Maybe give him an example?
S. That's enough.
R. Ys. Example has a great impact.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:34:57) What characterizes the first point of adhesion of a person?
M. Laitman: It teaches a person that he's capable of being disconnected from himself.
Student: What characterizes it, that a person feels disconnected from himself?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How is that expressed? What is he disconnected from?
M. Laitman: From his heart. I don't know how to say.
Student: His feelings that he goes through?
M. Laitman: He does start to feel others closer to him. From that which he himself is. Maybe I should say it that way.
Student: Because he writes that adhesion comes, the pleasantness increases and so on. On the other hand, we hear and understand that there have to be two opposites in order to create this adhesion. But it can't be one without the other. So, why does this pleasantness become greater? Because he feels sorrow, or pain, or suffering, or loneliness, he must feel darkness too?
M. Laitman: I don't think he feels the darkness. He feels the pleasantness of attaining wholeness.
Student: And all the loneliness and the dirt that is in him, where is all that?
M. Laitman: It's all covered by the darkness of the separation.
Student: Adhesion is a state of Lishma or is it also in Lo Lishma? Can a person reach moments of adhesion?
M. Laitman: Yes, he can.
Student: Is that what Baal HaSulam calls in the letter the drop of unity? That drop of unity?
M. Laitman: That's positive, but even in the negative we can see between people states of adhesion.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:38:06) Adhesion is a kind of equivalence of form?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, the concession a person makes, let's say he has a certain pleasure in something and he concedes for greater pleasure. Let's say if it's more scrutinized than a regular person that just wants more honor than money, so he wants adhesion. Is that something better than a person who wants because he's on honor for money? Or I don't know, pleasure that, I don't know, eating alone at home or eating with friends, but he's doing it for adhesion. That's more exalted.
M. Laitman: It's more.
Student: But it's still a person calculating in a logical way. He's scrutinizing and that's, he's going for such a thing.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: It's still something personal. Now let's say he's going to do it with friends, in love of friends, to sit together, to have a meal, and the purpose is to reach adhesion. Let's say every friend does that scrutiny before a meal and they sit.The result will still be personal for a person, that's why he's searching for the adhesion, or is there something common that has to be revealed?
M. Laitman: I don't understand.
Student: We concede on a small pleasure for a greater pleasure called adhesion.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, each one conceded, the whole Ten came to a meal in order to reach adhesion. So, should each one at some stage check himself on the result, or was the action enough and that's it?
M. Laitman: What's an action without a result?
Student: Now I'm sitting at home eating, I have pleasure. Now I'm sitting with friends, we want to reach adhesion, not just pleasure from the food. So, what's the way to check that we really came closer together, to more adhesion between us and the Creator? In which way should it be revealed?
M. Laitman: In what way? You want me to tell you?
Student: Is there a meaning in checking it, how do you check it?
M. Laitman: I don't know, I don't even start to talk about it.
Student: Rav says that when he enjoys an exalted state, he wants the friends to enjoy, he gives them cake, he gives them something to drink. When you went to Baba Sali, he said, let's drink something.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, is this something we can talk about, it's an inner scrutiny?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:41:44) On a personal level, there's parts that have a tendency for adhesion, and other parts other desires are less. And when we are as a Kli, as a Ten, so with each of us, how do we open our heart to that adhesion of the friend so it will influence us? And how do we cause those parts that resist adhesion between us to receive it, because it's a kind of a beat?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: Wow. How do we do it? Expand the adhesion from the parts that are within me, between me and the Ten.
M. Laitman: We can do it. For that, we need the upper light. The upper light comes to us and shines upon us, by that it annuls all those previous discernments and gives us an ability to reach new discernments.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:43:17) How can you define an individual, a connection with the upper? If every feeling and every thought comes from Him to a person.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, for a certain kind of thought or feeling, he decides this is for him a connection with the Creator, then that's the connection with the upper?
M. Laitman: No, it's according to what a person depicts for himself.
Student: That's what I'm asking, if a person depicts to himself that now the feeling and the thought I'm in right now, which I received from above, is for me a connection with Him, so is it a real connection with Him?
M. Laitman: No. It's not whichever way you feel and you determine it, and that's it.
Student: How can a person check, how can he recognize the connection with the upper that's real and correct?
M. Laitman: Good.
Question (Almaty): (01:44:59) You said that complete adhesion is a point and a point. Could you open that up more, the concept of the point and the point?
M. Laitman: Yes, we are going to take care of it.
Question (Woman MAK): (01:45:25) What does it mean to be a leaning support for the Creator?
M. Laitman: It means that you, and your state, and your group become a point where all the questions and answers connect. Let's say on the topic we are discussing, and in that way you keep advancing.
Student: If I can continue, how much of this low matter of man, how can we from that recognize the greatness and reach the Creator?
M. Laitman: Because in man, the Creator exists inside a person. And what a person says has no meaning. The most important thing is what the Creator does through a person.
Question (Woman Turkiye 7): (01:47:04) I feel that my fate is in the hands of the Creator. And I have resistance to it. How can I create some kind of awareness or inner feeling that I can surrender or subjugate myself to that feeling of resistance that the Creator is responsible for my fate?
M. Laitman: Try to gradually pass to the Creator your desires, your intentions, and in this way you will feel that you can give Him everything. That's it. And it won't be difficult, and you won't have any fears or anything. Slowly, just start from smaller things and add greater things into it.
Question (Turkiye 1): (01:48:32) How to bring it to a state in which the Creator will remove the obstacles standing before the friends on their spiritual advancement?
M. Laitman: It's to cleanse the area. Everywhere we will turn we will only see the upper light that fills all of reality. Try to do it in force to see it, to feel it. Perform it, then you'll see how really close it is. It's right here. And it depends on each and every person as much as that person can connect to draw it in and work from there.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:49:54) What you just said to do, if a person doesn't feel, then he starts from his intellect. On the other hand, a few days ago you said the friend, stop trying to understand. How to approach it through the heart and not through the mind, to this demand from the Creator.
M. Laitman: When we open a page in Baal HaSulam or Rabash writings, we feel that we're going into some kind of special kingship. For that reason, if we behave in that way, we'll have a connection with the one who wrote the text. And what he's telling us about, with the characters in his story. That's what we want. That I, when I read the text, I go into it, into that story he's telling me about. And also, with those characters of the story.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:51:50) How to measure success in this effort? Well, in this world, but also in spirituality.
M. Laitman: Success in this world, we check according to... According to your job, or according to your money, or according to your honor.
Student: And our goal in spirituality. Every day there are many failures. Thank you to the above. I heard that I just have to continue. But where to take hope to continue? In what can we measure success on our path?
M. Laitman: Here you're already speaking about the group. That you can't advance towards the Creator only to the extent that you have an important group, a big group. That has been through things and went through many steps. Then you can, by coming close to them, you can be with them together. Really as one man with one heart, to open yourselves at once towards the Creator. And then the Creator for sure will be revealed.
Student: We have such a great group.. A great group of measurement, I would say, and I just want to support them, every friend, and to cause them to succeed. But I do, once and again, again and again, I fail with my support, to support them. And it's like crushing my heart. I want so badly to give efforts for it to be a foundation for their success. And sometimes I aim my prayer for the Creator to give me the effort. And then, well, sometimes it's not. Again, it doesn't work until I begin to start asking just for the Creator to help them to succeed. I'm sorry, there are too many words. But there's a feeling that I don't know how to enter with the correct support, to bring the whole group, every friend in every effort to dissemination and prayer and connection to something for the benefit of the Creator, for the benefit of every friend, every individual and the Creator in general.
M. Laitman: In the eyes of the Creator, it's really desired and respected. That's why I don't think that just as you seem to yourself in the mirror, that this is the way you seem to the Creator.
Student: How does a person measure whether he's capable of anything? Specifically, if I feel I moved here to Israel and I dreamed that I would be a great help to the English team and give them a force to do projects, I wouldn't succeed. Many times.
M. Laitman: We understand you, but you're okay. You invest forces as much as you're given. And through that, we attain the goal. Okay. What are we doing next?
Reader: We are going to move to a song and then we will move to study with the friends.
M. Laitman: Okay.
Song: (01:58:42)