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Daily Lesson (Morning) June 25, 2024.

Part 1: Baal HaSulam. The Writings of the Last Generation. (Part One. Title: The Positive. Item 16)

Reader: Hello, we're reading from Baal HaSulam's Last Generation Writings. We're going to continue with item 16, Q, I believe, in the heading Positivity, item 16, which is P.

Reading Article: (00:38) Item 16, P.

There are three bases to the expansion of faith: 1) Satisfaction of Desires, 2) Proofs, 3) Propaganda.

1. “Desires” is like the perpetuating of the soul, a reward, as well as a national reward, which is the glorification of the nation.

2. “Proofs” is that the world cannot exist without it, much less in the days of the atom …

3. “Propaganda” can be used instead of proof, if it is done with diligence.

Re-reading Item 16, P:

There are three bases to the expansion of faith: 1) Satisfaction of Desires, 2) Proofs, 3) Propaganda.

1. “Desires” is like the perpetuating of the soul, a reward, as well as a national reward, which is the glorification of the nation.

2. “Proofs” is that the world cannot exist without it, much less in the days of the atom …

3. “Propaganda” can be used instead of proof, if it is done with diligence.

Reading Continues: (02:44) Item 17, Q.

Because of the craving for possessions, it is impossible to build altruistic communism unless egoistic communism comes first, as demonstrated by all the societies that wished to establish altruistic communism prior to Marxism. However, now that a third of the world has already laid down their rudiments on an egoistic communist regime, it is possible to begin to establish a sustainable altruistic communism on a religious basis.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (04:37) It appears like he's talking about a certain period. It was written in the 50s. But today what remains of that communism, except for a few totalitarian regimes that call themselves communism, and there's no connection between them and what communism is to begin with? What, did humanity miss this window of opportunity or something?

M. Laitman: Possibly, possibly. Because people, humanity changes. And if, once people were closer to sharing, today they realize already that sharing can only be on a monetary basis and nothing else.

Student: So, what's expectable? That there'll be a comeback for communism, or?

M. Laitman: I don't know. I read this again and again. I go over it over several years, and that's it. Clearly, changes will occur, and we're also in a state that is felt as preparation for changes. But it's hard to say more than that.

Student: May I ask about the previous item as well?

M. Laitman: Go ahead and ask.

Student: Yes, we read it in the Ten yesterday several times, and I'm assuming everyone's reading it. But it says that desires are like the perpetuating of the soul. Is there such a thing, desires that perpetuate the soul?

M. Laitman: No, such a passion.

Student: So more or less, what does he mean that desires are like the perpetuating of the soul, a reward, as well as a national reward, which is the glorification of the nation?

M. Laitman: That something about what the people are drawn to, the nation. That's how I understand it.

Student: There is this form of national pride, so to speak. So are those the desires?

M. Laitman: As much as we understand it, understand his words.

Student: We, too, read item 16, in continuation of the article of The Last Generation. He explains a little bit more, he expands on these three bases. And there he says that the three bases are for the expansion of religion. And also in 17, he talks about communism being able to begin establishing, and it can be sustainable if we base it on a religious basis. So, it seems like this matter of religion is the major method which Baal HaSulam puts the massive expression of the altruistic communism. What is this religion?

M. Laitman: It's actually the wisdom of Kabbalah.

Student: The wisdom of Kabbalah as it is, we can see that for people it is very difficult to accept it. Only the chosen few. And also its method is kind of faith above reason, and advancement that is against the desire. All the masses will come to study the wisdom of Kabbalah?

M. Laitman: Not all the masses, but you're not taking into account that today, as it seems to you that everyone is operating through their desire, it's also not that way. Not everyone is obligated to get up, and work, and study, and do all kinds of things, and only a small part of what they earn they get back as pay, and everything else dissipates, disappears. And so, it all depends on the society, on the laws of behavior in the society.

Student: So, what do the laws need to be of that religion that can expand amongst the masses?

M. Laitman: Well, we will see. We will read onward and see.

Student: He talks of some of the principles, which are the principles of the egoistic communism, which is on the path towards altruistic communism. Question, he also explains here how that religion will expand, how it will spread through the perpetuating of desires, and fulfilling of desires, and proof, and propaganda. Why religion? And what makes this method that specifically it’s religion, the wisdom of Kabbalah, can spread amongst the masses?

M. Laitman: We have a problem here. Religion means agreement between people, or does religious mean faith in the public?

Student: What's the difference?

M. Laitman: Well, it's a big difference. Either there are proofs in that, and propaganda, certain conflicts between different sections or currents in the public. And above that, agreement already surfaces.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:58) Baal HaSulam always relates in his writings to the Torah, to what was described in the process that the people of Israel went through. Did the people of Israel live at some point the way he writes in the Torah. It's not written about communism, it's written about love your friend as yourself, it's written about Arvut. Are those basically the laws of communism, actually?

M. Laitman: They're components.

Student: Components. Why does Baal HaSulam choose to use a word that's not in the Torah in this whole equation?

M. Laitman: Which word?

Student: Communism.

M. Laitman: Well, apparently he doesn't have another word with which to determine the sharing between people, that they agree to without an external obligation.

Student: So that's the question, actually. Did the people live in such a sharing? Was there a period where they did live prior to this where they were sharing?

M. Laitman: No.

Student: During the Temple, did they not behave that way? Were they not related that way?

M. Laitman: Well, we don't know. We cannot determine completely that it was this way or that way. But in general, the communistic method was accepted in the early days of humanity.

Student: Okay, so a question. Is he describing something like a state that was not written about, that was not discovered yet? Or is he trying to bring us to a state that was only talked about differently?

M. Laitman: I don't know. You're asking me, well, you can ask like you can ask a person who sees from the beginning of the world to its end. And thus, I can't be responsible for what he says.

Student: From you, you're like that, and that's the closest. I'm just trying to understand that we, together as a group are trying to be a certain transition to a future state?

M. Laitman: Well, we're trying to understand to which form of social connection we can associate ourselves.

Student: So, this leads me to other questions. So, now during these lessons we're taking the first hour of the lesson to read this material. Do we need to be in a process of kind of academic, or intellectual, or in prayer, or what's the right direction, the correct relation, the correct attitude towards these things that are some of them very concealed?

M. Laitman: We need as much as possible to understand and feel and digest that gap that exists between us, between our current state, and what Baal HaSulam writes about this advanced generation.

Student: Usually when we work with this inner work that you're talking about, the result is prayer. The question is, does the result here need to be prayer, an understanding, or certain stages of?

M. Laitman: Understanding and the stages from which a prayer emerges. Eventually a prayer is the right result; the only one that brings us to the right goal.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (16:09) I wanted to understand, egoistic communism is a certain stage in development towards altruistic egoism, very altruistic communism. And from the beginning of the lesson we talked about a person who is despaired from his own forces, turns to the Creator, now also we talked about a prayer as the central thing. The effort in egoistic communism, eventually at the bottom line is that humanity understands that there is a need for a certain sharing, but it needs to be from understanding, recognition that there must be some other force that can make this share correctly. Is this what will bring them to communistic egoism? And how does this process take place? Where, out of this effort, it's like egoistic communism is more exalted than other methods that humanity exerts through, because the direction is correct but there's a certain deviation that needs to be clear from this effort. Is that right, this form of observation?

M. Laitman: I don't know. We need to discuss this more.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (17:55) He's talking about this propaganda that if you do it diligently, it comes in place of proof. What does that mean? What is this propaganda? What, we need to come every day and say to ourselves and believe that this is what needs to be?

M. Laitman: I don't know. I don't know what he means.

Student: I'm also asking myself, we read it yesterday and I want to understand what is propaganda that eventually he says if you do it diligently every day, it eventually comes in place of proof. What does that mean?

M. Laitman: I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Today, we're in a state where there's no clear answer to this question.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (19:02) Maybe from your experience, this matter of Zionism and also where it talks in the Torah and the people of Israel that are called the return to the land of Israel, the melting pot of all the diaspora, is it the reason to come back to Israel and to live in a connected society? Was that not the thought behind erecting a communistic society?

M. Laitman: Possibly, but the question is, what is a communistic society? What did they intend by it? And those who dreamed about it overseas until they came to Israel, I don't know that. But nevertheless, there were a lot of discussions around that, and thoughts, and struggles, you bet. What not? Until today, you have differences between these and those.

Student: The Jewish matter that is in Israel today will go out to exile and return to the land for the third time, the whole yearning to return to the land. What is the essence behind that? What does it give to come here physically for the whole nation?

M. Laitman: As though one dies and then is renewed.

Student: What's renewed? What's the meaning that the Torah intended for us to be in? Is it communism, or something else?

M. Laitman: Well, what do you think?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:14) In the old building, we once learned the writings, and you said something that really helped me. That if you look at an anthill or cells in the body, it's actually communism. That's how nature operates between animals, between organisms, and Baal HaSulam is actually describing to us in a way that we'll be able to grasp this interaction. But this is the laws of nature.

M. Laitman: Yes. It obligates each and every one. That's something, it's a different thing. It's something else. Okay. In short, there is no clear form, not for the question, not for the answer.

Reading Continues: (22:09) Item 18, R. Altruistic communism will finally completely annul the brute-force regime. Instead, “every man will do that which is right in his own eyes.” It should not surprise us, as it was unbelievable that children could be educated by explanation, but only through the cane. But today most people have accepted this and reduce the forceful rule on children.

This regards children who have neither patience nor knowledge. It is even more so with a collective of educated people, knowledgeable people brought up to altruism. They will not need the brute-force regime.

M. Laitman: (23:10) Is this clear? This is what he thinks, that there will be a time when there will be no possibility to obligate people by force to bring people to a state where they accept a new view. Yes, it's very interesting.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (23:47) What stands out here is that you cannot mix between force, and education, and propaganda. It's either this or that. Why can't you mix? There are cases where you use force and cases where that doesn't work. Where education and propaganda doesn't work, you use force. Why can't you combine between the two? It's almost like you're putting a fence in between them. It's either you're going this way, according to education and propaganda, or that it operates according to the power of the forces.

M. Laitman: What do you think?

Student: This matter is very interesting because the educator, the one who comes to educate, it places a very big challenge, a very special challenge before him. That's it, that's what I feel from it. The challenge of this society and education.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (25:05) I didn't understand. Blows can't bring a person to new reason, to new thought, to new perception? Does the path of suffering not obligate that?

M. Laitman: Well, it obligates the person, but eventually if he runs away from it, then he doesn't run away with those relations, those elements that he received while under the blows.

Student: Can blows bring a person new reason?

M. Laitman: A new view, only if he has no choice.

Student: What do they give a person?

M. Laitman: He agrees, forcefully, against his will,

Student: Okay, against his desire. So, what's missing here, actually? Where will his desire come from if he doesn't have his desire? Also the process we're going through here now until communism is a path of blows.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So how is this path different?

M. Laitman: So, through this path of blows, you enter against your will a state where you're obligated, compelled. And by that, you seemingly get used to those blows, the pressure you feel from them. And through these pressures that come seemingly incessantly, you begin gradually to feel between them the way how to avoid the blows, and even feel in it some relief.

Student: We even say, he's coerced until he says, I want.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: When he says, he's coerced until he says, well, I have no choice, not because I really want.

M. Laitman: No, possibly, you already reach a state where you begin to appreciate the blows. Because without them, you wouldn't discover the pleasure. And you already hold on to the blows as the pleasure.

Student: Another thing to understand in this stage of our study, I understand that the main thing is to understand the gap between us and the future state of the final, the last generation.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: To strengthen this gap and make it even stronger, what can you describe what altruistic communism is? Like, what to depict? It's not that same world that I know, but rather for us to be a little bit more connected. What do I hold on to in my head to understand what this last generation is altogether?

M. Laitman: It is a generation, a society where all those who are incorporated in it can depict to themselves that they exist in a connection according to their desire. And they don't want anything else. As much as they may imagine in their heads all kinds of plans and forms, they only want to remain in that.

Student: What is their common desire? Is it one common one in this generation?

M. Laitman: It's one common desire that they raise as something that there is nothing else, nothing else exists.

Student: He writes that there needs to be a small institute where most of its public will be altruistic. What is that thing? Is that the group of Kabbalists within this thing, or is it a nation that decides to arise in humanity? What is it?

M. Laitman: It's a nation. It is a nation. A society that is not so big, that decides that they must rise and reach unity, as it says here.

Student: Who makes up this nation?

M. Laitman: It's people.

Student: And what characterizes them?

M. Laitman: That they want to reach that form, as we are talking about.

Student: Are these people with points in the hearts?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Meaning, is this small institution a concept of a group of Kabbalists?

M. Laitman: Well, more or less.

Student: What's the role of the Kabbalists in the last generation?

M. Laitman: Mostly, they are the ones who comprise the last generation.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (31:20) So, you're saying people who gather together and have one simple goal to connect? So, he's talking here about some national reward. Is that going to be our national reward? That's what's going to drive our whole process forward? Will that kind of be our reward all the time?

M. Laitman: Our reward should be in that we want to serve each other, because precisely in such a way, when we do that, above our egos, we resemble ourselves to the Creator and then we begin to feel that He exists in us.

Student: So, if He exists in us, and we let it exist in us, and we let us between us, and to be in this partnership?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Then of course there's no greater reward in this where you feel a partner to the upper force. There's no greater reward, I think. So, I still want to return to this, why do we need this propaganda, because we're actually erecting a society where we all believe in this special path, and this partnership with the upper force, which is the force of love and bestowal. So, why do we need the propaganda? We're actually doing it between us already all the time, as the importance of the goal. We're kind of like raising ourselves this reward each time more and more. That's how I feel.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, why does he nevertheless claim that the propaganda is actually the proof? Meaning, we actually muster ourselves from the importance of the goal, we have to each time, every day prove to ourselves that this is the correct path from the work between us?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Thank you.

M. Laitman: We need to do that.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (33:58) From my experience or from what I also learned from you, the ultimate of education is through experience. I can learn a thousand things, it won't change a thing compared to the example that you gave us in the lessons. That's what it takes. And talk doesn't take as much. The question is, can we have a society where we're just doing modeling, because otherwise proof with words won't work?

M. Laitman: I don't know. I don't know. In our time, I am with empty hands. I used to be able to speak, but now I don't feel within me the power not only to persuade, even to pass on to people what I was once able to pour out to them.

Student: That's exactly what it is. You teach us with words and you're an example to us. A complete, perfect, personal example to me. I've never had such a teacher. And the question is whether we need to find a certain way to be an example that will be disseminated so that will be felt. Because we do explanation, we disseminate on the internet, we do many actions. Whoever has a point and awakens would have awakened probably without even a lot of that, if you would look for it. There are many of us here.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: The question is how do we create a society that will use education as a model, as an example to be seen, and from that that will be the proof. Otherwise, I can't find some proof in my intellect.

M. Laitman: Let's continue, and we will see.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (36:40) If I understand correctly, he gives principles for dissemination of religion, faith, Kabbalah. He says that on one hand, you have to turn to people because they have all kinds of passions, desires, and we can satisfy them. And one of the things is the connection to the upper force. You can sell that. On the other hand, you can prove to a person that if he's living in narrow egoism, then during the period of nuclear bombs, you can't exist, we'll simply kill each other. So, you can prove that, and he says that propaganda, if I understand correctly, it's like education. You can wait until we kill one another, and that will be the proof. Or on the other hand, through education, even before that happens, to prove and educate people so that they will understand it even before. And is that correctly, is that propaganda is like education?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: It's like with cigarettes. You can wait until a person chokes, or you can give him a few movies and explain to him that it's damage.

M. Laitman: Possibly.

Student: So, my question is whether this first item has to do with satisfaction of desires. Can you convince a person that the connection with the upper force is good, just like religions do where a person can also sacrifice his life if he wants to be like the upper force? He was convinced, he was told to be that way.

M. Laitman: That's right.

Student: The question is whether in the wisdom of Kabbalah we can do that too. If from the writings of Kabbalists, there's not so much of an explanation that comes from a good thing. In religion, you have stories, you know, all over. The whole religion is built on stories. That's why a person is attracted to it. The question is whether also we can convince people that way. Or is it only from that point that it should be clear?

M. Laitman: We need to think about it. We need to think about it. We still have little experience on our path. I remember how Rabash was very cautious about drawing conclusions from his life. You imagine to yourself from his life, all the more so us, you see. Because we haven't yet seen all of the results, the phenomena out of the human development.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (39:55) About what is written here in this item, he explains, he starts with altruistic communism will finally completely revoke the brute force regime, then he gives an example that as once they thought that children should be educated with a cane, but now the majority of the world accepted it, that we need to use this method as little as possible, and we can see it works with children, and he says that later on civilized people with a lot of patience will also be able to accept this. Then he says that if there are those who are stubborn and do not accept it, they will be taught, he says that the public will keep distance from them until they accept the rules of the society. So, this approach is not forceful, but it does force the person?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: In an indirect way.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, first of all, in the state of the end of correction, are there also parts in the desire that can only enter in such a way, not by personal agreement but out of lack of choice?

M. Laitman: It could be that, yes. Just as he writes about the loose bone and all kinds of other things that are in a person. Such things, such parts that must receive proof bestowed from above in the form of a force.

Student: Another question. Today, we see that when there is someone who is an outcast, he doesn't compromise. He goes and establishes his own group and makes a mess in the whole world if necessary in order to let his view, his place be expressed, that his uniqueness will be expressed. Why wouldn't that not be like that? Also, with the very last person in the world, he has uniqueness. The Creator gave him a specific thing. Why will he fold, give up, give in? And if he does fold, that's not the form that the Creator desired. It seems at least in spite of what Rav says, that his uniqueness is actually lost. Or is it some sort of a special uniqueness that has to be expressed exactly in this way?

M. Laitman: This, we need to see how the upper force plays with it. That it doesn't depend on the person, it depends on the general plan and the upper force towards each and every person.

Student: That is the point, that it doesn't seem like the human society will be able to make this correction over those people who are stubborn. Here, seemingly we still need the upper force, and that's it. We, as a society, will not be able to correct this problem. I'm saying it because I also see this existing in our society, in our world in a very conspicuous way. We see it on a daily basis. The society is not able to take control over everyone and put everyone in the same groove.

M. Laitman: The more we advance, I think it will stand out even more.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (43:45) In the same context, also with the example that the friend gave, with bees, for example, they did this experiment. You give a bee a source of sugar, it comes back and reports to all the other bees, come here. Then they move away that source of sugar. When the bee saw once she cannot be trusted, she's not reliable, they don't punish her or give her blows. It's just that the next time she calls them, they don't follow her. So, it's not punishment but it is a form of making her an outcast, showing less the lack of trust. It's an educational process, but there it happens naturally. How can we perform such an education? Who can take such decisions to make someone a little bit of an outcast or more? Different degrees of outcasting, putting a person on the outside, because that's the strongest power more than anything else.

M. Laitman: Certainly, people that are above that society, the Kabbalists, or above that society and can agree between them that this is how it should be and no other way.

Student: But they will have infinite work it looks like, because in the end, the desire of every person, we know it grows all the time. So, what will keep it when it grows so it doesn't jump and leave the collective, the public?

M. Laitman: No, I think that to the extent in which we know one another, especially through the media, we agree to be together in the same basket and to receive the control of the upper one upon us.

Student: So, this propaganda of proofs and satisfying the desires, it will be strong enough so that the people who stand out, outside, will be rare enough that it won't be a problem.

M. Laitman: They're doing this in order to not stand out. They're going above like that, and because specifically to stand out is not going to be respectable. It's not, it won't raise a person above others. That's how I think, especially to the extent in which the people will be together, that's how the personal force and the general force of each and every one of us will be.

Student: So, an annulment towards the collective and serving the society will be such a great reward that standing out will actually be seen in a bad way.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (47:12) In the education we went through here, and we're still going through it, we know that the main thing, the central way to change a person's nature and his perception of reality is the reforming light. How do we combine in education these means?

M. Laitman: I don't know, I don't come from education, I didn't go through the education. I don't, I'm not connected to this education.

Student: If it were possible to take a person through a process that would change him, what is the means that would actually change a person, his nature, his perception of reality, what is this thing with which we can take a person through a process so that he starts to change?

M. Laitman: Of course it's the influence of the upper light upon a person. But how do we awaken these things, that's a question.

Student: Do we have the possibility to awaken the light, do we have it, that we already know about it?

M. Laitman: According to what Baal HaSulam writes, then we can. But in practice we don't see that it's happening yet. And altogether that it happens in some society, you understand, it's like, how can I take part of the people, 200, 300, how many, yes? And through them awaken the upper force in such a way that it will bestow upon us and raise us upwards.

Student: But we here feel that we are going through this process.

M. Laitman: Yes, but it's clear that, yes. It's not that we can use this force in a, kind of like steering in a, we don't yet have such a connection with him, with this force. It's, I for my beloved and my beloved for me, in a truly revealed manner. That's not yet.

Student: If we would understand very clearly maybe what we're going through here, what changes us, because each one of us knows and feels that we can't compare how he was when he came here and was exposed to what was happening here years ago and the way he looks at reality today. Something worked on him, something operated on him, but to touch this precisely and understand the method, it's..?

M. Laitman: We can't see this. It's impossible. But what for? The whole approach is that you should shut your eyes, agree with the higher providence, and adopt it.

Student: Yes, but you reach this after you go through a process. It's not that you started this way.

M. Laitman: Thanks to the process.

Student: That's what we need to understand perhaps, how to take people through such a process.

M. Laitman: They go through it. They go through the process, all the friends.

Student: The friends do, but we want to pass it on.

M. Laitman: Onwards is only by us being more in force and go out to the world, at least to the Israeli nation in practice, and begin there to, as much as possible, work and cry out to people and they will hear.

Student: I feel that you said now go out to the Israeli nation. In the beginning when you go out, you need to have a very strong desire. You need to bring a desire with you. A clean, strong, clear desire. And this is a force that seemingly starts to move people.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: If we could scrutinize, if we could reach the same desire.

M. Laitman: We need to ask and we need to think that we are specifically by this going and succeeding. Yes.

Student: Do you feel that we have what to give today?

M. Laitman: For the time being? To the degree of our world, as developed, we probably can. Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (53:24) I hope I'll be able to say it clearly. Rav, I think that what we're talking about here is we're studying “The Writings of the Last Generation,” and this is different from, let's say, studying the study of the Ten Sefirot at one. The Kabbalist attained that and he brings it to us and he gives us, he brings it all to us. Here, we're talking about “The Writings of the Last Generation” as if what's going to happen now is a kind of a research that we're doing between us and what the upper force will bring. It's not something that there is an answer for it or that someone that we can ask a question like the priests or the prophets in the temple, that you ask them and they give you an answer. Here I look at the book and it says the Ari Research Institute or maybe when you come to speak about reality, this is exactly what is required. It's research, meaning the great phase that we went through in our education.

What I feel is maybe the ability to empty the cup of everything we knew so far and agree to listen to something new. And now, after we learned how to listen, we listen to Rav every day, maybe there's a feeling that we know something. It's true that we do have what to give but still, this connection, this faith, what should lead us, this is something we need to research. That's our work, to research it and then maybe we can pass it on. So, the fact that we learned so far just how to listen doesn't yet give us the ability that we now know it and know how to do it. Maybe the work we need to do is research. That's what I feel.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (55:20) There's a feeling that we actually feel it, that we have what to give. We feel that we have something to give. Like a product that is still in raw form, it's not yet ready, not yet adapted, but there is something there already. So the question is, how will we reach a state where our message will touch people, this idea will actually touch people? Because we experience it. What is the process that we will have to go through or that we need to go through until I can sit with a person? All of us here will be able to pass the message and it will actually touch people. People will say, yes, we want it, it's interesting. We feel the attraction.

M. Laitman: When people will come to us.

Student: I mean, we, right now, feel something that we've all gone through a long process, a few dozens of years, I don't know how long, and we have something in our hand. Now it's like when you have an idea and you turn it into a product. People had some great ideas, and it was a process where they made it into a product and it became a high-selling product. So, what is the way, let's say from this moment, right now, what do we have to go through until we have a product that we can sell and everybody will want to buy it? What should happen? What is the process?

M. Laitman: What should happen is a connection, a meeting between the desire that you have to give and the will to receive in a person, a stranger, so that he knows, or at least a little bit, how to open himself up, and you will know how to open yourself up, and then you will enter equivalence of form, and one can feel each other. He will feel you with his deficiency, you will feel him with the Creator's deficiency.

Student: So, right now, we have a feeling that we have a deficiency. Well, we always had a deficiency to give, to bestow, but there is a very strong desire that people here have to do it. Along with that, the public out there today have a tremendous deficiency for hope. They have no hope. Hope gradually shuts down. Whoever I talk to, all kinds of people, a very strong pessimism is felt. So, they do have a strong desire. So, how do we make this connection?

M. Laitman: We're not creating a match, an adaptation between our desire to give and their desire to receive. There's no match, no congruence. You can tell them whatever you want, but it's not at all what they want.

Student: So, you can wrap it in whatever they want. Like a child, that you wrap the education you want to give him with certain things.

M. Laitman: That's the whole wisdom.

Student: That's what I'm saying. The wisdom is how to wrap it?

M. Laitman: Yes. Wrapping it is the whole wisdom, but we don't have it.

Student: So, how will we reach the way to wrap it? Is that some sort of a new skill we need to try? It works, it doesn't, ask the Creator for help?

M. Laitman: This is something that is seemingly passed on from degree to degree.

Student: It's about our devotion?

M. Laitman: No, it's passing on the knowledge; love.

Student: So, to devote ourselves to this thing, to produce this wrapping and try to create it, not give up until it happens. We also need the Creator to help us here, but in the end, we will be able to reach that state.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (59:21) What actually causes, what condition, I'm not even sure how to ask it, for that a Kabbalist can feel that the generation is mature, is ready, and he can bring out a new explanation to the world? I'll give an example. Let's say throughout the history of Kabbalists, if it was Baal HaSulam and “The Writings of the Last Generation.” When you read this, you see how revolutionary it is. It's a person who takes all the views that were of those times including what was said in the Parliament and written in newspapers, and he responds to that.

In his time, talking about these topics was very prevalent. So, he clothes in them and he passes on a social agenda wrapped in the views of the time or Rabash, whatever he wrote about the group. Also, the things that you talked about, balance with nature, you mentioned Abraham for the first time. So, something happens that causes a Kabbalist to bring out a completely new message to humanity in a new language. It's an amazing example. Those who know the period and the writings, what are the conditions for that? What happens that suddenly allows a Kabbalist and he truly creates in the world a new language of explanation? How does it happen?

M. Laitman: He feels a lack in the disparity of form between him and the upper degree and between him and the lower degree, that he needs to establish himself in the middle. And this pressure, this mutual pressure from above and below is what compels him to connect between the degrees.

Student: He also sees an external expression of that in the world, or is it some inner pressure to give birth, like labor pains?

M. Laitman: I think he also feels the external pressure. Just like now, for example, the world is in a really special state where on one hand we have forces of war, great forces of war, and on the other hand, our forces, our small forces, we could say it this way, and there's nothing connecting between the two. There is no connector between the two. There has to be the people of Israel with a certain role, and it's not there. And we need to be in this, to stand and connect these degrees, and come to a state in which our world will find its true degree, its true state, and where it needs to stand, what it needs to rely upon, and what to lean upon?

Student: What to lean on?

M. Laitman: And this is how, if we find this state, we will be able to also be that state in which we all connect to that which is below us, and from it to what's above us. That is how I think that it's worthwhile to happen.

Student: We can see throughout history that many times when Kabbalists bring out such things, it's not necessarily that in the same generation they know how to digest it, but it's truly a new evolution in the development of the method that is born, if it was Rabash, the Ari, Baal HaSulam, or Rabash, or you. So, how does a Kabbalist know that now the time is right, this period of time to bring out something, and specifically this?

M. Laitman: According to those people that are in his generation, and are seeking. They don't know what to do. I don't know. I know what needs to be, but I don't see, not in the world, nor in the environment, nor I don't see the people who can implement it. I hope that they are here, but the time is not yet.

Student: When you look serious in the future, do you see something that will be born from a group, or the fact that in a group, like in a body or a system, there are people who belong to certain directions, and they in the future will be able to produce such explanations to different layers, different people, different populations, different languages?

M. Laitman: I don't know. That needs to come from above. That needs to come from above. It doesn't seem to me that it can be in this form of development. Clear?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:05:40) You said before that you feel that you have empty hands, that you used to be able to speak publicly, and today you don't feel you have the power to convince. The question is, what does it depend on so that you will truly be able to pass on, to pour everything that you have?

M. Laitman: I don't see. I don't see what needs to be in our times. What can stem from our state? I don't know. I don't have it.

Student: What can we do that you would have it, that we would be able to take it?

M. Laitman: I don't think it's in me altogether. This needs to be already a new generation. A new generation.

Student: When we are facing such attacks, which is relatively obtuse, we don't have no depiction of it, we have no way to relate to it. So, how do we decipher these things? How do we get closer to this state? How do we take a step there?

M. Laitman: It needs to be born. We need to invest more efforts, more forces, and it will be born. Okay, so what's next? What could you add? Something new?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:07:54) I don't even know how to say this. Can we say that Baal HaSulam explains to us the conditions and qualities of a certain stage called the last generation?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And what is special here is that there is a connection, if we can say, between the memory of the past and the memory of the future. Seemingly records of coarseness and records of clothing, for example, it's a connection in that place. Before there was a lot below, and up above there's only one.

M. Laitman: Okay. All right. Guys, I'm just asking whether you can add something serious. Some idea, something, some concept. So, only in such a way. Well?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:09:14) It seems to me that as a group, this is our work. I think this group has grown a lot in the last few years, especially in the recent time. I think that this scrutiny that we need to perform of what exists in this group and how do we as a group build the group. Meaning, I don't necessarily feel that this group already exists in this picture that he writes about, and we want to see it, but I feel that we are beginning to do this scrutiny, and we need to do it together, truly. So, how do we implement, how do we portray this picture together? What should the laws be? What should the group look like? How do we work together beyond all the group work we do already in the Ten?

M. Laitman: Okay.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:10:35) Out of this, I have a question that I've felt for a while already, that it's important. For us, too, the desire in the individual also, the desire comes and goes. In a group, it happens also. The desire comes and it goes. And in the world, we also see some period of time comes, some desire, and then it changes. What guarantees that some end of correction will remain for eternity? So, we will build communism. Let's say we succeed in it. Who says it doesn't dissolve later as a desire of that generation that just goes away?

M. Laitman: Because the state that it brings is called a complete state, a whole state. Whole, meaning it cannot change, it has no direction. And all that it has in it, perfection is in it. That's why they say that that's already forever and ever.

Student: In reality, it also makes sense. There was no such state before. Maybe in certain individuals, they reach a state where everything is in wholeness.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: It sounds so, really, if you look at it, it looks very far. There's a feeling that there's such a volcano all the time, that there's so much more that needs to erupt. And here, Baal HaSulam says, it's time to end all of this, it's going to be over very soon.

M. Laitman: No, he simply doesn't want or he can't even. He doesn’t say it here, but it could be that he cannot express a few of the matters or forms of the last generation that can appear.

Student: The last generation, Rav, it's the beginning of a certain process, or is it truly 200 years more of correction out of 6,000 and it's done, it's over? How should we look at it correctly?

M. Laitman: I can't tell you with certainty because I have not been through it. But it's a certain form of connection of people to the Creator, between everyone, in a form called the last generation.

Student: One more thing. We grew up, I heard when I grew up, it was in 1990, I remember there was this billboard, get ready for the coming of the Messiah. Sorry for saying that, but that's how I grew up, that somebody thinks that it's going to happen every moment, very soon. And it lived in me my whole life. How does Rav look at it? I mean, I understand there's no clear answer, maybe you answered it already, but maybe I have some sort of incorrect perception, or some emotion that I need to repress. Every day the temple is not built, it's like the temple is ruined, so I'm asking, what is the right way that you suggest to a person to relate to this whole thing? Should we expect it every moment or no, and realize that maybe it's not now, maybe in the next, maybe you'll reach it in your next life and perform your final correction?

M. Laitman: I don't know when humanity will reach the connection, the inner connection of all of its components into a form that is called the end of correction, the end of the nearing, and how it will all together be incorporated. I don't know. There's a manner to this way and a manner to that way, it's all, and it all depends on the upper force. I have no idea.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:15:33) Just if I may add something that it'll be a bit more clear. In TES, he writes that the initial form is not missing, it just receives a new form, and it's a matter of an addition of form. And this is probably how we advance. Every time there's a new form from the previous form, it doesn't disappear, it just gets better. And then he writes that the difficulty for beginners…

M. Laitman: The first grip?

Student: Corporeal expressions, there's no time or place, but he writes it very nicely in the first excerpt in TES, part one.

M. Laitman: Okay, that's it, are we done with The Last Generation? Reader, what else do we have?

Reader: Letter 48 by Rabash.

M. Laitman: Okay.

Song: (01:16:42)

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