Afternoon Lesson October 14, 2023, Transcription

Transcription is made from simultaneous translation which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio.

Part 1:

 Baal HaSulam. Newspaper "The Nation"

Lesson on the topic of The Nation: (The individual and the Nation)

1. Rav’s Introduction: The article is extremely interesting because nevertheless, Baal HaSulam penetrates deeper and deeper into the nation, into people, and into society in order to explain to us how much we are interdependent and interconnected and how much in order to attain the Creator we first need to attain the correct connection between us. 

Reading: (01:09) “The Individual and the Nation” 

2. S (02:54) This seemed correct until maybe a hundred years ago, but today it’s not felt at least in the corporeal world. What’s the difference today between a Swede and a Norwegian, French, or German? Even the places don’t mean anything.

R. We feel how much we depend on each other when providing energy and other kinds of supplies. Now no country can live without forming ties with other countries, if in the past the connection was more or less necessary between people. Today the same necessary connection exists between countries so what he is saying is it wasn't like that for the nations. Relatively today it's like every nation is an individual.

S. If you put me on an airplane and I land someplace it will probably be difficult for me to know where I landed. It seems like everyone's very similar, it's not like once it was clear the culture was unique and different, maybe one country produces more uranium and another more iron. Where does it stand out the unique differences of a nation?

R. No. it's not like it used to be in the past, you can see how, especially, with respect to raw materials we depend on each other, we all depend on each other, and each and every country must be in educational and cultural contact connected to other countries. It's very difficult to live in a vacuum in isolation from others. What he writes here is correct except the scale of this is much wider and much more necessary. 

3. S. (05:19) We have this question how to feel that we are one body? What does that even mean?

R. Baal HaSulam wants to show us that after all, we are individual people, humans on earth, it's like one body interdependent and there is no way for us to separate and disconnect from one another. Rather, we must understand it and get along such that we will be like a single village where we are all dependent on each other. 

4. S. (06:16) He explains that the individual cannot fulfill his own needs and needs a social life and that's why individuals are compelled to unite into one unit. This could happen anywhere on Earth to supply all of their needs. So why were so many nations created? What is the benefit here?

R. We see that the Creator wanted to create a lot of differences between us and differences that have to do with culture, education, and language meaning on the human degree and not on the necessary degree, the level of survival, I call it the beastly degree.

S. What is the spiritual goal that it serves in this matter of division of people?

R. This division should show us how different we are and how distant we are from each other on one hand, and how we need to understand we have no choice but to be as one family.

S. The very fact that this vessel shatters into individuals we can see that we cannot exist as individuals, but there's another level here between being an individual and the unity of everyone, there's that middle quality called the nations.

R. We haven't gotten to the nation yet. Rather the fact that we connect together we construct a certain unity between us that exists for Generations. As we assemble into greater and greater masses through good connections, and bad connections, specifically through wars, oftentimes we eventually get to this state we have today, many countries, and many nations dependent on one another. There is a war in Europe between Russia and Ukraine we all feel how dangerous it can be to everyone.

5. S. (08:58) If possible, about what we read this morning. Baal HaSulam wrote this article 83 years ago. Ever since we've been through the Holocaust and in many wars in Israel. Why until today did this matter of national education not take place? What is preventing it from happening?

R. If we are speaking of the people of Israel, we haven't yet reached the necessity to be as one nation and we allow ourselves to be included in all kinds of arts and parties and more. We still have not reached a need for unity. I think it's also because we didn't spend time together like other nations for many, many years. Whether it was always under pressure from the regime of other nations that controlled us.

S. What are the Israeli people missing for them to start working on this national education?

R. Many years of development. We would feel that we belong to one nation to live in a shared land, but that shared land is not making us into a nation, we don't feel enough roots, that we are not rooted here and that's why it is still ahead of us.

S. We see today that modernization and progress replace the concept of nation, people, and family. Is there a chance we will get there or is it just crumbling more and more?

R. I guess perhaps we have to come to it in other ways not in the way that other nations have come to it over hundreds of years, but we have to come to it through our understanding, and our awareness.

6. S. (11:41) There's this trend in the world where there are nations that resolve their problems at the expense of other nations. How do you see that? Meaning those nations that seemingly resolve their problems, does every nation need to create a certain tone and not allow other nations to get involved in their lives? How to behave in such states?

R. We need to reach that state. We need to grow up to the state.

7. S. (12:33) We are united as one man and one heart in the soul of Adam HaRishon in the spirit. How do we Bnei Baruch, truly build from ourselves one nation for the whole world today and how will be able to disseminate this idea to all the nations of the world?

R. We will answer that further down the article.

8. S. (13:15) I'm a little confused about your answers to the friend. it sounds as if there is no Israeli nation, maybe we need to define what a nation is because in the eyes of many Israelis, also in my eyes, there is an Israeli Nation, that is living and exists and is breathing and not just because of our enemies. So maybe we should try to define it, since there is a certain contradiction relative to many Israelis who live here and in the world that they also feel that there's an Israeli Nation.

R. We will solve this problem. I hope using the article before us.

9. S. (14:05) You told us that in corporality giving and receiving or not the same thing as in spirituality and therefore the land was given to us, but we have yet to receive it. What do we need to do to receive this land?

R. I guess we have to continue for more than a few years before we can feel that we truly belong to this land, to this country, to this nation and what connects us we will talk about it, he will talk about it. We are still not a nation therefore what we have created cannot yet be called a country, rather it is something that's not cooked yet.

10. S. (15:38) Please tell us what is the qualitative transition between just living next to each other and becoming a united nation?

R. I don't know, I'm with you here as if I’m reading with you for the first time this article. That's the best way to do it, for me, we just read one small paragraph and you are asking questions about the entire article and how it should end. So, I am asking let's keep going a little longer to read, and to understand what he is trying to say. What we've learned, and what we've learned before, just forget about it, that is the best. 

Reading Again: (17:01) “The Individual and the Nation”

11. R. (18:32) Meaning because a certain body of humans lived together in a certain area of the planet each one would produce what was necessary for that person, those who are in agriculture, those who are in chickens, those who were in horses and in this way each and every one would bring to the other what he has to receive what he's lacking and in this way, people connected into greater masses of people and two nations and countries came to be. it's clear up to here, correct? 

Reading Continues: (19:39) “Observing life, we see that…”

12. S. (21:03) What force connects between these organs in the nation between them?

R. Necessity, a necessity. As it was said go and profit from each other, meaning go and profit from each other over the necessity, and in this way, a nation is born.

S. If you look at the people of Israel, they're united, connected, even corporeally more than other nations. They give each other support no matter what kind nevertheless, different communities, and congregations in Israel so there is some force beyond necessity?

R. This character exists, but if we speak of Israel in general, all the nations developed in this way as Baal HaSulam writes every nation chooses for itself what to do, how to do it, throughout history, and settles on a piece of land, works it for itself and for bartering with others and in this way, it exists.

13. S. (22:58) Baal HaSulam is describing a process in which individuals, families, and nations accumulate. The roots, the states, the countries, what stopped this process to the point we are in today? Not remaining as one big body that matches all of Earth. What is the role today of the existing division? Is it the final development, is every nation today having its own role and that's why the process of unification and growth of the nation stopped?

R. From the get-go the nations had to connect as 70 nations of the world and to have some connection between them and they connected and interconnected so there's nothing special about it. We say that it works also with continents that are remote from one another North America, South America, Africa, Europe, and Eastern and Western Europe, all the continents, this is likely a result of human nature.

S. Should the next step be one united nation, or is it not necessary?

R. No, it is not necessary. According to nature there should be 70 nations of the world.

14. S. (25:27) What do we need to do in order to implement our role and our place in the nation and the structure of the nation and how do we adapt ourselves to it?

R. What should we do? We need only to learn how we are made according to Nature, that's what Baal HaSulam explains to us in this article we started. We need to see each and every one and every nation and how we need to function in order to come to the general connection of the world.

15. S. (26:23) This is a very important question as we heard in the excerpt from the article a person needs to decide where he is inside the system and what he contributes to the general whole and when he already defines the role that he does is actually a part in the heart that he frees, and when he defines that and invests his efforts as much as possible, I heard you once say, that the nations of the world are like sand meaning there needs to be something above, something needs to advance their development and every person who has already defined his role in the system we see and feel that each gives his efforts and that's how it helps his whole environment, to the whole Israeli nation. Here a person understands the importance and not just what he receives from the environment but from what he invests in the environment and then there's a very strong feeling of gratitude for each and every one where every place in the world from the Philippines to Alaska, each who has put forth efforts and advances everyone and advances the whole Israeli nation, is that correct?

R. Yes, you are correct.

16. S. (28:22) Why for harmony do I need everyone without any exceptions?

R. That is how the world is set up.

Reading Continued: (28:45) “As the natural death…”

17. R. (29:26) Meaning that the unification of the nation, their mutuality, and their connection actually forces the development to blossom, whereas if the nation divides and distances to different parts then this causes the deterioration of a nation and the fact that we all eventually suffer.

18. S. (30:23) What are we doing wrong, what are we not doing right that this organ that we are talking about is not functioning as it should? For example, the wars that are happening in the world.

R. Let's read what Baal HaSulam writes further on and maybe we will understand. 

19. S. (31:21) Can you please tell us the creation of a spiritual environment of Israel can be only created by people whose spiritual senses have been developed?

R. Yes. Let’s continue reading. I can see people don’t really understand what we’re reading here.

Reading Continued: (32:08) “Therefore, it is a must for every…” 

20. R. (32:55) Meaning everyone should be united within the nation not only within the family itself but within the nation and in such a nation has a right to exist and succeed. 

Reading Continued: (32:19) “This does not mean that…”

21. R. (34:40) Meaning we need to be connected inside a state like inside one family and only in this way do we have a certain right to exist and in this way, we exist beautifully without any problems.

Reading Continued (35:35) “However, as the generations evolved...”

22. R. (35:51) Meaning we need to establish a wider body, an entity, it's not called a family or a clan of relatives but a state, a country, a state where everyone feels where they belong to it and everyone has to defend it and in this way, it can exist. Again, all those things are born out of necessity because people multiplied and started connecting, they didn't know in advance, ahead of time, that they needed to be this way, rather they saw that this is a product of necessity that protects them.

23. S. (37:00) If we can be more precise here when there is a certain goal or external enemy the nation unites. When that external enemy disappears then somewhat, this unification is weakened automatically, so what is this positive goal that should sustain our nation's goal?

R. The positive goal is when they connect into a great force.

24. S. (37:42) He says not everyone has to be in that same love, it's enough if there's one nucleus, one seed of people who instinctively have that belonging, and then there could be a certain drooping organs. Are we supposed to be in that role?

R. What did you say?

S. Do we, Bnei Baruch fulfill that role of those united organs? We see that our nation is crumbling.

R. Of course we can. Not only us but there are other organizations that also speak of unity between them according to their own conditions and different parties.

25. S. (38:50) What is the love of a nation when you describe the love of a nation, what is it?

R. Love of the nation?

S. The force of love that is in a nation, what does that mean?

R. It means that we all feel part of this nation called part of this group called a nation such as a relationship where everyone belongs to it, everyone owes it to one another, everyone commits to one another, and this is how they look after themselves and protect themselves.

26. S. (39:27) Who depends more on who, we the nations of the world or the nations of the world being dependent on our corrections?

R. Mutual, this is a mutual form.

27. S. (39:57) We the people who came to study the wisdom of Kabbalah always search for spirituality and it is written in Baal HaSulam that the wisdom of Kabbalah doesn't talk about this world and at some point, we won't even need it. What is the importance? It’s not a simple article it's many kinds of intellectual words it's very difficult to say what is important to learn to take out of it.

R. Because Baal HaSulam wrote it. Baal HaSulam wrote it for us. Period. I have no more questions about it.

28. S. (40:49) This trend that we have in people today is that they're inclined to be more like citizens of the world, and they can live in several countries throughout their life. Is this an egoistic trend because they don't want to belong to a certain one system or is it because they don't want to feel the boundaries between us and to be free to feel the whole world as one system?

R. There are both kinds, very simple. 

29. S. (41:32) During the last 20 years the Creator took the primitive love here in Israel, you can really feel this chill blowing within the families. Have I changed and that's how I feel or is it truly the situation?

R. What's the difference? Whether you have changed, or the situation has changed, it's the same.

S. If it's a general state then there's a certain opportunity there’s something in the evolution of something that we all need to work on and develop, it's kind of different.

R. The fact that everyone needs to work says nothing to anyone.

30. S. (42:28) Each of us who is studying the wisdom of Kabbalah is considered the people of Israel and each feel the blame for what is happening, but it's written in every nation there's a national uniqueness. Can it be because each nation has its own correction?

R. No, no nation has its correction; rather there is a necessity for assembling everyone in one desire together, and then the Creator will raise us to His degree.

31. S. (43:32) What values have been added or changed in the nation compared to what was in the family that developed like Baal HaSulam was telling us?

R. This development, it's not there's not so much closeness, feeling between the families that belong to one nation, but it’s still far from being felt like being in a family.

S. What need was this created for?

R. Depends on the spiritual structure of all of humanity where ultimately, we need to connect into one group. 

32. S. (44:26) This decisive point in which national love becomes harmful may be where it doesn't contribute to unity but rather advances us to where we're going. What is that turning point where national love instead of contributing to unity actually enters into fascism and is actually harmful?

R. We forget about the fact that we need to be connected.

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S. Is national love similar to personal love with the individual?

R. I can't understand what he's asking.

S. He's asking whether we can compare this personal love that a person has with an individual to national love on a general level.

R. One day we will reach it for correction, but for the time being it's not the same at all.

33. S. (46:00) Please help, there's this question when all of this started of course the first thing, I thought that the enemy is to blame for everything, then I came to the conclusion that we ourselves have created this enemy, we are to blame, then I moved it all to myself after I see everything from my vessel so I'm to blame for all these scary things that are taking place, so what should the prayer to the Creator be? I want to cry out to him, of course, my friends are in my heart and I'm crying to the Creator, I'm screaming to the Creator, that's the prayer the Creator expects from us. How can we reach Him, so he hears?

R.  No translation.

34. S. (47:12) We recognize the process where instinctive love of family members will cool down, what is it? What do you say about the place we are now in?

R. We are in such states that we have to be corrected, that's the only thing I can say.

35. S. (47:55) Turns out that this article was written in 1940, prior to World War II, everything is described here how we need to interact, and how we have to manage. We have to come even lower, even more primitive, including the leaders who cannot hear. Today we are almost at the opening of the third world war. What's missing, suffering for humanity in order to hear what truly needs to be the correct structure of the world?

R. Humanity must understand where it's headed, and what it should do in order to avoid what's ahead of it, that's it. We need to teach. We need to teach in order to learn how we can advance correctly.

S. It's written here in a very highly intellectual way that for people who are managing us in the world, they are primitive people so who needs to be the adapting force that will explain about this so that people will hear it?

R. Yes.

36. S. (49:23) Since we are talking about nations, there is the Israeli Nation, ethnically. Those people, and there's the people that we want to create. What's the relationship between those two nations, the Israeli ethnic nation, does it in advance belong to the nation of Israel that we are trying to create?

R. There’s no such nation, the nation of Israel, because it was created a few thousand years ago, 5,000 years ago during the time of Abraham in ancient Babylon. After the other nations already existed and developed and grouped, then all of this happened. The Bible itself tells us about it, so there's no need to speak of the nation of Israel. There is no nation of Israel, the nation of Israel is that group, that hodgepodge of people of all nations that rose to the degree of love your friend to yourself.

S. Everything that has to do with this ethnic nation, all these things we do, the holidays the traditions, we're talking here about the same thing we just grasp it differently. How to differentiate between things? Sometimes you feel that everything that has to do with Israel has to do with us as well. After all, it is not the same thing. I kind of got confused between the spiritual understanding of what Israel is and what Israel is as an ethnical nation.

R. Hopefully the understanding will come. 

37. S. (51:27) We are an Israeli ten, how in the connections between us can we show our nation the strengthening and the good relations between us? How can we move it from the ten to the whole nation and the world?

R. In the beginning, we have to connect as one man and one heart. Later tell everyone about it. 

38. S. (52:11) I asked myself after I was born, we feel a strong desire to connect, so in life, in a descent and ascents how to evoke and awaken this desire when it's very important? Something very important that we receive and express where we have no connection?

R. We will need to learn it ourselves. Yes.

39. S. (53:09) In order to come to a nation we need to receive the need to be together. If we're not together then we feel a lack, such a lack, such a great lack as if someone's threatening the nation, is that the kind of lack that there needs to be?

R. Yes. 

40. S. (53:45) Next to the disasters and everything that's happening in the country there's this feeling of nearing, this closeness that's not just the recruitments but the feelings of opinions of people are softening. All of a sudden people are merging into one another it's like the black and white that were so clear to people are kind of blurring, and you can see all kinds of trends in the society that couldn't have happened if it wasn't for this horrible thing that is happening. Truly social trends, trends of closeness, and of nearing and merging. Are these good signs?

R. Those are correct signs, but it's because we have entered a dangerous state. it always happens.

S. What do we of Bnei Baruch need to ask for our people, for our nation?

R. Connection and extract from it the correct morals for the story.

S. Which is what?

R. Which means we need to be good to one another all of the time. 

41. S. (55:21) On the same topic, you said that we need to come to a feeling of one family so that we will have a right to exist, correct?

R. Yes.

S. How can one family as a nation be expressed? Because corporeally it's clear and also there's also a certain emergency state. How can this be in an internal way and in a spiritual way? 

R. We have to understand that we will always continue to live out of this feeling that we are all interdependent. We only depend on one another when there's no other way to exist. We exist in this condition between us, and in this way, things will not get better unless we get closer. 

S. Can we get there without blows?

R. If you are above the blows, you won't receive any blows, that's it. The blows are here to align us, to bring us closer to one another. We can't do it without blows until we reach correction.

42. S. (57:06) It's very difficult to live in a state where you understand that your nation and your country are those who are battling with others. Does every state, and every country also need to be on the side of the aggressor, the one that's attacking, and the one that's being attacked? 

R. Yes, we need to go through all kinds of states. I hope that we're already going through them and that we're going to reach a conclusion. 

43. S. (57:54) It really seems like the events that we're experiencing are causing all kinds of voices of unity and coming closer on one hand, on the other hand, many voices of separation and hatred that were before the events are still crying out and are angry, and the question is, why do they have such a strong impact relative to their small number because most of the people want unity, a small part is suddenly crying out against and is having such an impact?

R. They come to awaken us to make corrections. That's why we need to listen to them and unite and correct ourselves. 

44. S. (58:55) The Gmar Tikkun, the final correction that we come to when we adhere and are connected, with that my question is; in this very realistic world of ours is there according to the Kabbalist where they explain to the nation where there's some critical mass that can change our reality to the good even before the end of correction? Something that will change here so that we will be able to say that we're living here in peace, in camaraderie, and that there, yes, a lot of people around but it doesn't decide things like it does today.

R. They say that at any given point there are 36 righteous people in the world, and you can get this number 36 like the form of arithmetic like you get some sort of math or that this is how they say it is. But of course, the world cannot exist without the likes of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the foundation of the world has to be correct, and good. And it has to emerge from the foundation of the world, the Yesod. So let us hope that we will make it and that will be it. 

45. S. (01:00:44) Is the only healthy way, without suffering, for the people, for people of Israel to enter this world is only if my ten reaches spirituality. From this center of the ten, the light of the Creator will overflow to the nation.

R. Each of us needs to think that way, yes.

S. Until that moment every unity in the people without the addition of the Creator will only bring additional blows so that we will always be aimed at the correct source, the Creator?

R. Yes. 

Reading continued: (01:01:44) “Indeed, that transition, where…”

46. S. (01:09:52) No Translation.

R. Baal HaSulam's attitude toward punishments and blows is that we receive them in accordance with what we invite ourselves?

S. Your measures the word coercion?

R. Well.

S. What about coercion?

R. In relation to what does he mention coercion?

S. The long episode where the matter of coercion punishments is mentioned?

R. Well then read it a few times and you'll understand.

47. S. (01:10:58) We read that national love exists in all other nations because they have threads of love that connect them, the people, but in Israel, it doesn't exist positively but only negatively. As bothers, suffering, and trouble. Baal HaSulam says that we have to revive those national muscles from 2,000 years ago.

R. Correct.

S. What does it mean to build on a strong foundation to revive these national muscles of the Israeli Nation from 2,000 years ago?

R. We need to reveal those foundations, the natural foundations of the Israeli nation just like every single nation has its own basis, its own foundation. There needs to be a foundation for the Israeli nation as well. We need to learn it, renew it, and build upon it the restructuring.

S. If I understand correctly, we talk about threads of love, he says that love does not exist in the correct form in the Israeli nation and what characterizes us is that we are brothers in trouble.

R. Right.

 

S. How do we bring this love back to Israel, to revive these national muscles from 2,000 years ago that the nation doesn't have? How do we increase these threads of love?

R. We need to learn to talk, to connect, to hear the Kabbalist, that recommends for us to do this way and that way and then we will come to what we need to reach. Otherwise, we won't build anything.

S. 48. (01:13:17) If we understand correctly without the spiritual component the nation will never be able to exist in this world, only altruistic connections can give the people a strong foundation like the cells in the body.

R. Correct, completely correct.

S. Only with the Creator it will be good?

R. Between us and with the Creator.

49. S. (01:13:19) How does Rav feel about the state of the wars? Will they go longer or is there a way for this war to go shorter and shortly it's out of concern for our nation?

R. I could just say that it all depends on us, just like we're learning right now.

50. S. (01:13:55) What is national education? What do we need to teach the people, what should the people learn from us?

R. The fundamentals of love between us. Where we need to beget them, work on them, and connect with them.

S. This foundation, if we ask the people then it goes immediately to religion and revokes a lot of resistance. How do we go beyond religion to the wisdom of Kabbalah, we have to understand that something is more primal?

R. We need to think about how we come to the people and give them these foundations, in a way they'll be happy to receive them.

51. S. (01:14:54) There's a feeling at this time that even troubles are not even able to unite the people. Even during times of war people invest energy in attacking each other even though they understand that it's to our detriment. Is there some value in touching people's hearts to raise them from that state?

R. Yes, yes. We need, we need to invest more than we do, than any other nation because this is a stiff neck nation, a stubborn nation.

52. S. (01:15:44) With your permission I want to relate to the state of the nation of Israel 2000 years ago. We know that Romans attacked with legions and thousands of forces and there were ten sages living in the nation of Israel. The ten sages were killed including Rabbi Akiva, generally, it is felt by righteous ones that it was punishment, not punishment, but it was a counter correction of the Creator what was done to Joseph by his brothers, but Joseph's brothers they were nine, they went, and they came back to home, and they did not join the action, but 2,000 years ten were killed not nine. What is the reason behind this?

R. We won't enter that whole story. That's very, very deep, and long. We will continue. 

S. Can we say that these ten stages were the sons of the enemy?

R. You always dig too deep. I respect the fact that you know so much of the Torah, but I can't talk on that level before our broad audience. Therefore, we will continue.

Reading Continued: (01:18:15) “Here I must stress concerning…”

53. R. (01:28:09) That's the article, it's very special. It's also written in a very special way, it's not too expansive, on the contrary, he should have added more and many other things, but he writes it in a very specific way. We need to try and take from here all kinds of at least pieces, excerpts, in order to advertise it and to all kinds of our channels and media, first for ourselves and then for others. 

54. S. (01:29:11) Is this a physical action for the sake of another, let's say, for saving lives? Does it have to do with spirituality?

R. No. 

S. No, he and saves himself will save the entire world. Is this an egoistic act that still has to do with self-justification?

R. Yes there's no connection between that and spirituality.

55. S. (01:29:48) Specifically today the people of Israel, seems to me, that they're talking about their state can be a bridge between us and the people. I just wanted to say.

R. Very well, I agree with you.

56. S. (01:30:32) This special article shows what happens to us inside the people, and the nation. He wrote that there are 70 nations, each one building a stage for himself and his own inclination and does nothing elemental that will unite us here into a single mass. No one can do it, and he says we need someone external to come in and unite us into oneness. Who can do it?

R. What he doesn’t write, I don't know.

S. He wrote as if someone from outside and we are from within, so how to do it, that's the question?

R. I don't know. We need to pray to understand the answer.

S. We're in the last generation, the generation of the Messiah. In order for the Messiah, the force that pulls us from the corporeal to the spiritual but in the corporeal everyone's waiting for some Messiah. Is there someone like that, that will come, a person?

R. No. He explains to us that, Moshiach, Messiah is called a very special spirit that comes to the people and uplifts them.

57. S. (01:32:19) I did not understand throughout the article. What is the uniting of the nations of the world that we lack?

R. For them the conditions are simpler than those for the nation of Israel.

58. S. (01:32:53) If in education could we have studies of Kabbalah or is there something else that we could use to educate the nation besides Kabbalah?

R. I don't know, we need to decide together.

59. S. (01:33:16) Seems like there's a bit more necessity in the people, they hear it, they have ears open, but it seems like we need to convince ourselves more with this dissemination and convince ourselves of the importance of connection. Can we disseminate enough between us?

R. No, I think we need to disseminate in all the people, and all the nation, and the whole land of Israel. 

S. Even when there's resistance from the outside? The people respond unpleasantly toward our dissemination.

R. Yes, yes despite that.

60. S. (01:3413) Can you please explain why national love, why not love for another human being?

R. Because it's the only way it can spread around the world and then the world will be saved from the end of the world. 

61. S. (01:34:50) I wanted to share the condition of the people in the media who share your material on their personal pages, that we want to make an action of dissemination with the material from this article, but at the beginning of the lessons, you said that the people need a few more years of development. How not to feel weakness and to feel confidence that our dissemination has a chance of entering the hearts?

R. I'm actually saying it this way, we need a long time for the development of the nation so that you are not elusive, you don't despair, and you don't become lazy. This is our work until the end of the correction of the world. 

62. S. (01:36:09) About dissemination, if the condition in Israel, rather a dissemination, especially in Israel about the war, or we can use articles in English. We can see some kind of solidarity corporeally around the world.

R. Yes, it's possible. Wherever you think that it's possible to do, I will be happy with your correct decision.

63. S. (01:37:04) Question about the German national love. In order to rediscover the national love that will connect the German people what is required of us to reach this dissemination? 

R. We need to learn the German history where there were many small countries, and they were all in all kinds of disputes between them until eventually they composed between them one state. And the state today is blossoming, and there's something to learn from it. 

S. We spoke about it this morning, the narrative of the Third Reich called 1933. When the students back then were like small children, they were missing a spiritual element and that created that separation between us.

R. Yes.

S. When considering this experience we had in Germany, that we had to include the spiritual component. How can we work with this today to contribute to the world for a better future? 

R. The Germans did very special work over the mistake that they went through in the Third Reich, and we cannot wait for that to happen. With the Arabs and with others, it's something very special that they did. I really am envious of their work. I'm envious. We will conclude this and we'll meet in the morning. Good luck to all of you.