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Daily Lesson (Morning) June 20, 2024.
Part 1: Baal HaSulam. “The Last Generation”.
Reader: Shalom, we are reading in the writings of Baal HaSulam, we're reading the writings of “The Last Generation”, we're continuing with the heading, “The Positive”. You can find the study materials in Sviva Tova and the Arvut system and send live questions through our sites. Whoever asks questions in the study hall is asked to stand up, hold the microphone close to his mouth and speak loud and clear.
The writings of “The Last Generation”,
Reading Article: (00:40) “The Positive”.
The Positive
A) Communism is an ideal, meaning moral. The goal “to work according to one’s ability and receive according to one’s needs” testifies to this.
B) Every moral must have a basis that asserts it, and education and public opinion are a very unsound basis, and the proof is Hitler.
C) Because any concept of the majority is sure to triumph, it is needless to say that the carrying out of the corrected communism is by the majority of the public. Thus, it is necessary to establish the moral level of the majority of the public on a basis that will assert and guarantee that the corrected communism will never be corrupted. The ideal inherent in humans is insufficient, as too few possess it, and they are insignificant compared to the majority of the public.
D) Religion is the only basis sure to raise the level of the collective to the moral level of “working according to the ability and receiving according to the need.”
E) Communism must be turned away from the concept, “Let mine be mine and let yours be yours,” which is sodomite rule, to the concept, “Let mine be yours and let yours be yours,” meaning absolute altruism. When the majority of the public accepts this rule in practice, it will be time to “work according to the ability and receive according to the need.” The sign will be that each one will work like a contract worker.
F) It is forbidden to nationalize property before the public reaches this moral level. Before there is a reliable moral factor in the public, the collective will not have fuel for work.
G) The whole world is one family. The framework of communism should eventually encircle the entire world in an equal standard of living for all. However, the actual process is gradual. Each nation whose majority accepts these basic elements practically, and has a guaranteed fuel, may enter the framework of communism right away.
H) The economic and religious form that guarantees communism will be the same for all the nations. Except for religious forms, which do not concern the economy and other conducts, each will have its own form, which must not be changed at all.
I) The world must not be corrected in religious matters before economic correction is guaranteed for the entire world.
J) There should be a detailed program from all the above-mentioned rules and the rest of the rules necessary in this regard. Anyone who comes under the framework of communism must take a solemn oath.
K) First, there must be a small establishment whose majority are altruists to the above-mentioned extent. This means that they will work as diligently as contract workers, ten to twelve hours a day and more. Each and every one will work according to his ability and receive according to his needs.
It will have all the forms of government of a state. In this manner, even if the framework of this institution contains the entire world, and the brute-force government will be revoked completely, nothing will need to change in governance or work.
This institution will be like a global focal point with nations and states surrounding it to the farthest corners of the world. All who enter this framework of communism will have the same program and the same leadership as the center. They will be as one nation in profits, losses, and results.
L) It is absolutely forbidden for anyone from the institution to turn to any of the judicial establishment or any of the forms existing in the brute-force regime. Every conflict is to be resolved among themselves, meaning between the concerned parties. Public opinion, which condemns egoism, will condemn the guilty party for exploiting the righteousness of his friend.
M) It is a fact that the Jews are hated by most nations and are made fewer by them. It is true for the religious, the secular, and the communists. There is no tactic to fight against it except to bring true altruistic morals into the heart of the nations, to the point of cosmopolitanism.
N) If one is forbidden to exploit one’s friends, why should a nation be allowed to exploit its fellow nations? What justifies one nation enjoying the land more than other nations? Therefore, international communism must be instituted.
As there are individuals who have been privileged by diligence, chance, or inheritance from ancestry, to a greater share than the negligent, so it is among the nations. Hence, why should war against individuals be greater than against nations?
O) If you lived on an island of savages that you could not bring to law and order except through religion, would you doubt it and let them destroy one another? Similarly, with regard to altruism, they are all savages, and there is no tactic they will accept unless through religion. Who would hesitate to abandon them to destroy each other with hydrogen bombs?
P) There are three bases to the expansion of faith: 1) Satisfaction of Desires, 2) Proofs, 3) Propaganda.
1. “Desires” is like the perpetuating of the soul, a reward, as well as a national reward, which is the glorification of the nation.
2. “Proofs” is that the world cannot exist without it, much less in the days of the atom...
3. “Propaganda” can be used instead of proof, if it is done with diligence.
Q) Because of the craving for possessions, it is impossible to build altruistic communism unless egoistic communism comes first, as demonstrated by all the societies that wished to establish altruistic communism prior to Marxism. However, now that a third of the world has already laid down their rudiments on an egoistic communist regime, it is possible to begin to establish a sustainable altruistic communism on a religious basis.
R) Altruistic communism will finally completely annul the brute-force regime. Instead, “every man will do that which is right in his own eyes.” It should not surprise us, as it was unbelievable that children could be educated by explanation, but only through the cane. But today most people have accepted this and reduce the forceful rule on children.
This regards children who have neither patience nor knowledge. It is even more so with a collective of educated people, knowledgeable people brought up to altruism. They will not need the brute-force regime. Indeed, there is nothing more humiliating and degrading for a person than being under the brute-force government.
Even courthouses will not be necessary, unless some unusual event occurs, where the neighbors do not influence an exceptional individual. In that case, special pedagogues will be needed to turn that person around through argumentation and explanation of the benefit of society until that person is brought back in line.
If a person is stubborn, and it is all to no avail, the public will turn away from that person as though from an outcast until that person rejoins the rules of society.
It turns out that after there is a settlement established on altruistic communism, with a majority of people who have actively taken these rules upon themselves, they will immediately decide not to bring each other to any court, governmental agency, or any other kind of force. Rather, everything will be done by gentle explanation. Hence, no person is to be accepted into the society before he is tested to see if he is so crude that he cannot be tutored into altruism.
S) It is important to make such a correction that no person will demand his needs from society. Instead, there will be selected people who will examine the needs of every person and will provide for every single person. Public opinion will denounce one who claims something for oneself, such as today’s thief and scoundrel.
Thus, everyone’s thoughts will be devoted to bestowal upon one’s fellow person, as is the nature of any edification that calculates it even before one feels one’s own needs.
If we want to jump on a table, we must prepare ourselves to jump much higher than the table, and then we will land on the table. However, if we want to jump only as high as the table, we will fall down.
T) Admittedly, the egoistic communism is but a step on the way to justice, a sort of “From Lo Lishma [not for Her sake] to Lishma [for Her sake].” But I say that the time for the second phase, namely altruistic communism, has come.
First, it must be established in one country, as a model. Afterward, the countries in the first phase will certainly accept it. Time is of the essence, since the shortcomings and brute force used in egoistic communism deter the majority of the cultural world from this method altogether.
Thus, the world must be introduced to the perfect communism, and then most civilized countries in the world will undoubtedly accept it. It is of great concern that imperialism will abolish communism from the world, but if our perfect method is actually publicized, imperialism will certainly be left as a king without armies.
U) Clearly, no stable and proper social life is possible except when controversies among members of society are resolved by the majority. It therefore follows that there cannot be a good regime in a society unless the majority is good. A good society means that the majority in it is good, and a bad society means that the majority in it are bad. As I have said above, Item 3, communism must not be established before the majority of the people in society operate with a desire to bestow.
V) No propaganda can secure a coercive rule over future generations, and neither public opinion nor education will help in this case, for they naturally tend to grow weaker. The exception is religion, whose nature is to grow stronger. We see from experience that nations that accepted religion corrosively and compulsively at first, observe them willingly in the following generation. Moreover, they are dedicated and devoted to it.
We must understand that although the fathers took upon themselves altruistic communism because they were idealists, there is no guarantee that their children will follow them in this regime. Needless to say, if the fathers adopted communism by coercion, as is the manner in egoistic communism, it will not endure for generations, but will ultimately be overpowered and revoked. A regime cannot be imposed except through religion.
W) When I say that a communist regime must not be instated before there is an altruistic majority, I do not mean that they will be willingly idealistic. Rather, it means that they will keep it for religious reasons, in addition to public opinion. This coercion is one that will last for generations, for religion is the primary compelled.
X) We must remember all the suffering, poverty, corruption, wars, and the widows and orphans in the world, seeking salvation from the altruistic communism. At that time, it will not be difficult for one to dedicate one’s entire life to save them from ruin and the dreadful pains. It is even more so with a young person, whose heart has not been stupefied by one’s own shortcomings. That person will certainly support it with one’s heart and soul.
M. Laitman: Are there any questions?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:44) It is simply a matter that we do not understand how this is all going to happen.
M. Laitman: No, no, we are not going to talk about it.
Student: Is this his vision, is this his prophetic vision?
M. Laitman: This is still a vision.
Student: Because many things happened ever since, there are several things where he is warning. For example, he writes in 20, indulgence is very important because the lack, and the use, and the force of the egoistic communism distances most of the public of the world from this usage. Meaning, this already happened, they already distanced from it. Meaning, most of the world has a repulsion altogether from the word, communism. And all in all, those who remain in this method are countries that are like North Korea, countries that there is rejection from them.
M. Laitman: I think it doesn't exist and it never existed in any state, or anywhere, any time.
Student: Egoistic communism did exist.
M. Laitman: No, under this name, it was just used, this name.
Student: All those that used it, there is some kind of negative look towards it.
M. Laitman: There was no truth in them, that's why we should not accept these things as something that truly happened.
Student: So, how altogether does this generation, without some kind of revolution, some serious blow, can it even measure even thinking about communism again?
M. Laitman: I don't think that anyone did it, adopted it. And that is why also today we have not reached a state where there are even buds of that idea.
Student: The majority of the depictions of how altruistic communism is about to appear are not attractive things. How will people be attracted to such a thing?
M. Laitman: I don't know.
Student: Is there a chance that such a thing will happen without, let's say, a third, fourth world war?
M. Laitman: I don't know.
Question (PT 22): (24:48) Baal HaSulam writes that one should not found communism prior to the majority of the society being in the desire to bestow. Meaning, without spiritual attainment, it's impossible to implement communism, correct?
M. Laitman: I guess, yes.
Question (Latin 7): (25:07) What is the religion that Baal HaSulam speaks of?
M. Laitman: Religion is a simple faith in a person's heart, that's what I think.
Student: It's like from, the Essence of Religion and its Purpose, where the intention is to the work of the wisdom of Kabbalah?
M. Laitman: Not yet, it's even before that.
Question (Women PT 23): (25:42) What is the meaning that the propaganda can be instead of proof, even if it's not in diligence?
M. Laitman: I don't know, I haven't seen anything like that. This is according to Baal HaSulam, something serious.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (26:17) Why is Baal HaSulam afraid that, the egoistic communism can disappear? He's cautioning of it.
M. Laitman: Because, nevertheless, we start with human nature from the negative forms.
Student: But it's based on dictatorship, coercion?
M. Laitman: Look, that's a question: It's possible that dictatorship and coercion come later, and the beginning is according to the correct, good agreement, like in the Kibbutz, in a communal settlement.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (27:18) He explains that when it will be willingly, it will be only through religion that they will be willing to agree with it. But on 9, he says that one cannot correct in the matter of religions, prior to assuring the economic correction. How will they agree to economic correction if they're not corrected religiously?
M. Laitman: That's how he writes, nevertheless, people would agree to enter a communist society. Let's say like in a Kibbutz, in a communal settlement, let’s say, and to take upon themselves various obligations and to advance in this way. Because they think that, nevertheless, they will receive a reward from above.
Student: Yes, but he writes that even before they reach the correction in the matter of religion, to correct the world and religion, they have to assure that they have economic correction. Meaning, if they're not convinced as far as religion, why would they agree to give up economic equality and reach that?
M. Laitman: That depends on the state of the country, state of the world, I don't know.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (28:57) What is the role of the Kabbalist in such a society?
M. Laitman: Possibly, to be inside the society, explain to everyone. Convince to everyone that such a society is at the forefront of all those who wish to continue to develop.
Student: And internally, what's their role?
M. Laitman: Internally, they understand that such a connection between them, the way altruistic communism is offering us, is the correct connection; and it exists in accordance with the society that advances, correctly.
Student: And the public will begin to advance towards spirituality from the work of the Kabbalists?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes, that's certain.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (30:18) There's a very kind of outstanding text from Baal HaSulam. How should we relate to it?
M. Laitman: He wrote it for himself, I don't know in what way he wrote it, in what conditions. But it's interesting, it shows how seriously he thought about it and although he understood that it's not going to happen in his current time, nevertheless, he expected it, anticipated it. Rabash told, in private, he didn't wish to disclose it to everyone because who knows who's listening. So, he told me that he used to, he looked at it, considered it extremely, seriously, and was attracted to it from within his internality.
Student: What can we learn from this attitude of Baal HaSulam?
M. Laitman: We can learn how far we are from the path he's proposing, and how much more work we need to do on ourselves in order to reach it.
Student: This attitude of treating seriously what he's writing here, such exalted things, that they can happen now and immediately. How do we take that upon ourselves, how do we adopt that?
M. Laitman: Look, this speaks of a small society and a very serious society, that undergoes many stages of development, many. Descents, falls, various shapes and forms, and ultimately they constructed, correctly, to take upon themselves all the conditions of the last generation. That they would discover that it cannot work in any other way. So, in this way they have no other choice but to connect between themselves and connect to the Creator.
Student: I don't know if I can ask it this way but if Baal HaSulam would write this document today, The Writings of the Last Generation, would it still look the same?
M. Laitman: I think he wouldn't change anything about it, What is there to change? There are things that are.
Student: He writes about the past states, you have to continue before the imperialists can revoke communism.
M. Laitman: Well, that didn't happen, either, even that did not happen. It's all still seemingly ahead of us.
Student: So, only to be more precise, as far as our attitude to what's written here, are these instructions to carry out these principles that can impress us about certain values?
M. Laitman: Yes, I think that this is a plan for the correct social development and that's how we need to accept it, and eventually, our development has to bring us to this form. We need to see ahead of us that this is what comes to us, what's approaching us. And that we must see how to accept it in the best possible way, most correct. And I think that this could happen, as far-fetched as it seems, fantastical, even. I think we can, suddenly, discover that we are very close to it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (37:00) Why do we need correction, corporeally because today, a person has the freedom to engage in spirituality? And attain all the degrees, regardless of the society and its conduct of life?
M. Laitman: I think it's because they will have one correction, internal and external; otherwise, they will not rise above the point of their formation.
Student: Also, there is a limit to a person's attainment maybe in our generation, even the last generation? Unless we live in a corporate society that observes altruistic communism?
M. Laitman: I think even today, we are so blind and unable to see human advancement, humanity nevertheless advances toward becoming prepared to accept this society. Egoistic communism, and later altruistic communism, we are moving closer to it although it doesn't appear to us. It doesn't appear distant because it's distant, but because we can't see the forces that are preparing us for this in a concealed manner, behind the scenes.
Student: Yes, thank you, I'm asking about our correction, the correction of the last generation. It cannot reach its final conclusion unless we also attain this corporeally?
M. Laitman: It's possible, it's possible. We're not quite in the last generation, that's still before us, ahead of us.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (39:27) I want to ask about the correct attitude. Let's say when I study Shamati or such things, it's clear to me that I need to go about reason and Baal HaSulam, this is the truth, even if I don't see it. The Writings of the Last Generation, should we adopt the same attitude? It's the same Kabbalist who's revealed everything, as truth.
M. Laitman: It's exactly the same Kabbalist, the same heart and the same mind. Except here, he's describing for us the stages by which people will advance from the level of this world to the spiritual level. That's why we don't understand how to connect them everything, both people with our lives and this demand that is coming down to us from above. We still don't understand how to apply this.
Student: I'm asking because in these things that the Writings of the Last Generation is more of this illusion, like it's closer to the intellect, as if we understand more in this than in the articles of Shamati?
M. Laitman: I don't think we're close to it or that we even understand it. We can't imagine to ourselves, correctly, those people who keep even partially the conditions of the last generation.
Student: I agree completely with that, that's why I'm asking categorically. I need to relate to this like I relate to things that he wrote, let's say in Shamati or The Study of the Ten Sefirot identically, one who has attained a certain kind of layer of feeling or?
M. Laitman: No, no, we don't relate to it this way. With the rest of the material of Baal HaSulam, we relate to states that are true states, and they were given to us so we will be able to carry those states out in practice. Whereas, with the Writings of the Last Generation, it's not correct to relate to the text in this way.
Student: Widen it?
M. Laitman: No, not to clarify it further, we need to study it as if it doesn't belong to us, certainly not for the time being. And when will the generation come and feel that it belongs to it in practice? I don't know.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (42:42) We started the study of the last generation a few days ago. And we said that what we actually want to achieve is a certain vision for us here and now, for our organization, that's why we're engaged in this.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And now you said that we have to relate to it as if we are not there, yet, and it really appears like it's really far from us. So, is it possible to take, like, slices or pieces of what we're taking here and start implementing them or start to contain them upon ourselves even though we're very far from this model that he's describing? Is it correct to go that way? Let’s say, okay, we have 24 items here, let's take number nine and try to implement it.
M. Laitman: No, we're not going to do it like this but each and every one must measure, evaluate, how to what extent these conditions clothe in him. And, nevertheless, try more and more to enter into these demands.
Student: Is there any point in taking these items and measuring not personally, but say on the level of the Ten or of all Bnei Baruch, that we are close or far from? Like a certain kind of measure that is there and it's complex and distant but we're measuring ourselves against it?
M. Laitman: It's possible, it's recommended, worthwhile, and I would say that we should do it.
Student: Is the smallest unit that is worthwhile to talk about these items, is it in the Ten or all of Bnei Baruch?
M. Laitman: No, no, no, the Ten. Don't run away into bigger areas, so to speak.
Question (Women French): (45:00) Quoting from number one: Communism is an ideal, meaning immoral. And this testifies in the end to work according to one's ability and to receive what's needed. What's the meaning of moral in the work, and how does this help us advance and work in the Ten with this?
M. Laitman: We will learn it and understand it more and more over time.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (45:37) I asked yesterday a question about a principle that's repeating itself here again and again: That each needs to work according to his ability and to receive according to one's need. And you answered, that only has to do with spirituality. Meaning, each needs to connect according to one's ability to receive the greatness of the goal according to one's need. And here he's kind of going down, I see he's talking about all who operate like a contract worker. At least it seems like he's going down to even to the regular work of the eight, ten hours a day that the person works in his workplace, not just in connection.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Is that correct?
M. Laitman: Well, it's like in a Kibbutz, in a communal settlement.
Student: Now, in place of the word of communism, I understand why you understood it because it was probably fashionable in those times.
M. Laitman: It wasn't simply trending, back then. It depicts the correct framework where we’re all connected, we all share a single goal. We all know that only in the connection between us can we advance toward that goal.
Student: Can we say a common society, instead of communistic?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: He also says here that one should not remove the assets before the public reach the moral level of, which is assuring them, which is religion. Okay, well, we've already seen it in history that really it's not allowed to do such things because there is no fuel to work for people. So, the question is, well, he explained but I didn't hear, what is religion? What is the moral level of religion that it's sufficient for a person to do all these things to take away assets altogether? What is religion, what does he mean in religion?
M. Laitman: Religion?
Student: You said simple faith in the heart of a person, what is that?
M. Laitman: Yes, he accepts it as a given.
Student: Faith, belief in what?
M. Laitman: Faith in the world orders.
Student: Could you say in the upper force?
M. Laitman: You can say that.
Student: Meaning, a person needs to believe that he'll have a reward and punishment or something like that. And that will be enough morally in order to be in a common, communal or cooperative, of sorts?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: There are many people who are feeling like there's this simple faith, they're afraid of reward and punishment, we see that it's not enough.
M. Laitman: I don't know, let's learn this together, more and more. The more questions and doubts we will have, the better it will help us understand.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (48:40) What is altruistic communism?
M. Laitman: It's almost, like, redundant, Communism and altruism. It's good that communism is this communal thing, I don't know. This precise term, I can't say.
Student: How can we depict it somewhat: What is communistic altruism in the last generation? What is this concept in the last generation?
M. Laitman: The last generation we can't even begin to depict because it's a spiritual matter. And altruistic communism is where each and everyone thinks only of the other, works only for the other. As he writes there, as many hours as possible, he devotes his entire soul to it.
Student: How does such a society look where everyone cares for others? How does this influence the systems, the life and all, what?
M. Laitman: Yes, all the systems are like that. How can they exist in such a way, how can they, how can each one measure, evaluate himself and others, I don't know. Again, I'm saying, these are things whose time hasn't come to study them in practice to understand.
Student: Are people in spiritual attainment in altruistic communism?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Now you're saying, several times we will have to learn this, this doesn't belong to us, at some point it will belong to that generation there. It's like we're talking about something utopian, here?
M. Laitman: If you're working with your will to receive for the sake of the other, then you're already in the form that's opposite to what we are.
Student: We also need it somehow to operate this way?
M. Laitman: You need a society, without it, you can't do it.
Student: And these texts are not suitable for our generation, today?
M. Laitman: No, of course.
Student: They're truly not? The next generation or much further away or?
M. Laitman: No, it's as if it's nearby.
Student: What's relevant for our generation? It's not relevant for it to be in the quality bestowal, or?
M. Laitman: At least to learn it, to study it, and to see how much the study, itself, can influence us.
Student: So, what does suit our generation? What is important, what can it receive if not that, then what, yes?
M. Laitman: The way we should accept Lishma and that's it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center) (52:18) You say that it's not our generation?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: Why?
M. Laitman: Our generation doesn't appreciate actions of bestowal, connection for the sake of the other, at least, that.
Student: Seventy years backwards, more or less, there were like sprouts of communism, more than today. And based on that, Baal HaSulam writes a few things here, and in item 20, he writes that the time has come for altruistic communism, and he sees that this stage for this has come, already. And this was, I don't know, 70, 80 years ago. What, did we move backwards in the generations, how is that possible?
M. Laitman: Yes, of course; history is repeating itself, and we are in a state that's perhaps even worse than 80 years ago, so?
Student: It's not logical as far as the development, maybe there's ascents and descents. But we're supposed to develop forward if Baal HaSulam says the time has already come, and the Kabbalist says it, he sees that the time has come?
M. Laitman: I don't see this, today, today’s society is egotistical, practical, and no one is even dreaming about cooperation, collaboration, and so on. Rather, each one is pulling in his own direction, for his own benefit.
Student: There's this other point that I'm trying to theoretically understand because I don't understand how it sits. In 23, and even before that, he writes that only religion can govern this direction to even sustain for the time being this egoistic communism until it becomes altruistic. And he says that it's supposed to happen, only thanks to religion, and in the rest of the vessels, it won't. Despite that, he writes in item 20 that there are communist countries, and we could move them to the second stage. But the countries that he's talking about were not in the form of religion whatsoever, meaning, there was no religion there. Meaning, he had this hope to clothe upon that form of that non-religious communism to obtain from it an altruistic form. Here I'm not certain, why? On one hand, he says it's not possible, and on the other hand, he says he's trying, he's saying it's worthwhile to try it. According to what I understand from what's written, there, he's kind of giving hope that he thinks the time has come to use communism, not based on religion, and to make it altruistic. So, I'm not certain whether there has to be communism based on religion first, or does it have to, first, grow and attain it, first?
M. Laitman: It's not clear to me, either. I can't say after so many years studying it and talking about it with Rabash, I can't say what's happening today.
Student: He writes here, that it seems like he would want our Torah to be revealed in a complete manner. That's his hope before the imperialists will delete it, you have to see that it is the right and correct way. There's a critical stage called egoistic communism that we have to go through and to prove that it is good. I had something else, but I forgot, I'm sorry.
M. Laitman: It's okay, it’ll come back.
Student: (56:52) It seems to me that most of the answers to the questions asked, there's an answer in item 5, maybe we can read it again.
Reader: Item 5: Communism must be turned away from the concept of Let mine be mine and let yours be yours, which is Sodomite rule, to the concept, Let mine be yours and let yours be yours, meaning absolute altruism. When the majority of the public accepts this rule in practice, it will be the time to work according to the ability and receive according to the need. The sign will be that each one will work like a contract worker.
M. Laitman: That's a sign.
Student: We have a kind of Jewish state, for the Jewish religion, which seemingly. is supposed to build the new world to achieve that final form. On the other hand, Baal HaSulam also thought that it's logical to build and reach altruistic communism, not in this country. What's the uniqueness of the Jewish nation in this last generation? Corporeally, what is its connection to the last generation?
M. Laitman: They suffer more than everyone.
Student: Does it have a central role that cannot be replaced, or can it be replaced?
M. Laitman: I don't think they can be replaced, already, as salt softens the flesh, suffering softens a person's heart. We need to understand that this is our destiny.
Student: I see that with all the other things, well, only in Israel it's the chance to succeed because seemingly it has religion. It has the seeds of the wisdom of Kabbalah that are in, and its destiny as far as the forces that operate upon it, to reach the final correction?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, I'm returning to my first question I asked, why not now? Because how can you live in this world without this form? It's like I'm digging in my basement until it's over, until my life is over, because you can't live this way?
M. Laitman: That's true, but how many are like you?
Student: I don't know how many are like Baal HaSulam, not that I'm comparing. But there's a person that thinks the time has come and he's a Kabbalist, and he says that we need to operate in this?
M. Laitman: So, let's operate, go ahead.
Student: How can we build a vision in which we can operate with it? If we want to operate, and it's important to me, then we need to act. We do need to build a vision to see how we believe that we need to come close to it?
M. Laitman: We checked it once: We offered our society all kinds of Kibbutzim, all kinds of directions. But we didn't succeed in anything, we couldn't take even one step forward because we saw how it is either our ideal was disconnected from reality, or they were only talking about it but didn't want to implement any of it. But we tried, and I accepted this result as coming from above, that's it. What to do next, I don't know, perhaps another generation will come or several generations that will be able to connect a person's internal development with a social development so it will be all entirely in order to bestow.
Student: As people who study the internality and want to come closer to the Creator, this is an inseparable part from what a person wants to attain from his studies?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: it's hard to relinquish that, to say that it's impossible because then you feel that you don't have what's supposed to be in you, as someone this was given to?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:03:18) I have a proposition for the friend and for us, too, how to help this advance. If our principles that I believe in and think they're right, we can like put together a club that serves people. We are that source that are willing to work according to these rules and we give service to the community. And then you can show the good sides of unity and connection and they will come because it's worthwhile, and it's fun. They might not believe but they will be exposed to this. And we can, also, learn how to work with it and to others, the financial benefit can come. It's nice that someone takes care of the kids, that gives good courses, and teaches to unite, and at a cheap price.
M. Laitman: What did you depict to us: That it's good to be in a cooperative society that offers services to every person.
Student: I'm just trying to show a path of dissemination that I think could work. Because whoever comes here, your students, they live this, and like the friend, they really live it and think it's right but how do you disseminate it onward? So, you have courses, more people come, less. And the sort of dissemination is contact with the public that you project these values. It's still not the absolute communism but you come from a mission. So, you take the minimum you need to help it put together but it's a dissemination, it's a way to connect with the public. And we can also expand our dissemination and also learn practically how to do it.
M. Laitman: Okay, thank you.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:05:57) Why is giving part of your possessions part of what Baal HaSulam is talking about? Why do you have to reach such a state?
M. Laitman: Why, don't you think it should be so?
Student: Maybe I will ask differently, in the past, was it like that in Israel?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: So, it sounds like it's only in the last generation?
M. Laitman: Yes. Okay, I guess this is still ahead of us.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:06:57) What the friends are suggesting, there are such things, also in Israel, it's called, a city Kibbutz. I even have a family member that is in one of those. They serve the community and, also, put all their salaries together, and live in a building or something. And they do those actions but what there isn't in any place, they don't have the spiritual reward that Baal HaSulam is speaking about. A personal spiritual reward that is the motivation because he speaks about working 10 and 12 hours with motivation, with enthusiasm. He says that can't work from any ego, he also explains why it failed, it can't be. This is something that I don't know how you can explain. Either you have it, that there's a point in the heart, burning, and there's a base to work with it. So, maybe the world isn't ready for this, yet, because without this, we go back again to the same communism, it'll fail. Unless there's a group of altruistics that will do something, and it really won't be ordinary. But how to bring this message of spiritual reward that will be the motivation?
M. Laitman: That's the main thing, this is what we didn't see in those Kibbutzim, including the city Kibbutzim. That's the problem, it takes people who are in a new development, and this we haven't achieved, we haven't seen, we haven't met.
Student: Also, when he speaks about satisfying your needs and propaganda and proof. It's also not clear how he'll bring a person in the end to say that he wants a spiritual reward. It's like means, just like trying to market, anything.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: There's like a seed we're missing, maybe we have to pray for it to happen, I don't know. But it's like the central point, this spiritual need.
M. Laitman: Yes, it's the point in the heart that has to awaken internally and strongly.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:09:41) At some point in history, was the path of Achishena opened for a person?
M. Laitman: Baal HaSulam writes, I think, that there was a certain phase in the days of, I don't remember. You don't remember, in the days of the ARI, I don't think it's in the days of the ARI Before that.
Student: Rabbi Akiva and Bar Kochba.
M. Laitman: Rabbi Akiva?
Student: In his period, when he thought that Bar Kochba was the time.
M. Laitman: Perhaps.
Student: What is the character of the generation before the last generation? Maybe we'll have to understand that they have to follow the path of Achishena.
M. Laitman: I don't know, I really don't know, I don't delve into that because what can I learn from those times?
Student: Freedom of choice, is that an essential condition for what we're learning now?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:11:09) Can we ask about the transition point to reach this exalted point? On one hand, it's clear that until the Creator won't work and awaken man and the point in the heart, there's nothing to talk about, it can't ever happen. On the other hand, the whole story of education, propaganda, determining the ideals. You also use an expression of some inner revolution, where bestowal would be more valued than reception. So, on the path to that, until the Creator awakens the points in the heart, can we, through explaining propaganda and education, can we determine such ideals?
M. Laitman: We hope we can, but it's still, we don't see it, that it's actually growing out of our labor.
Student: But you think that that's what's before us? That we are trying to write this vision to depict a path for humanity?
M. Laitman: No, we still don't have it, not in our bones, not in our minds or anything, no.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:12:49) Our approach to the study is in a Ten, like you told the friend, clothe it in a Ten. This basic study, it's not a person who is separated, but his relationships in a Ten. Also, Rabash, who continues Baal HaSulam in the Purpose of Society, we gathered here to establish a society on the basis of Baal HaSulam's method, and there he starts building, supposedly, the conditions for the Ten. And we had such an attempt to disseminate in that method, we used to sit ten people together and not talk to somebody, individually, but try and connect them to an atmosphere that's in the Ten he’s sitting in, in that circle. How he feels this relation to the others. It seems like we're trying to look at a person individually, and also, this is what I understand, that an individual with himself, he's like a rock. And we need to find an approach to turn to the others so, he works with some kind of environment. Because then, otherwise, our whole approach is disconnected.
M. Laitman: Could be.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:14:24) Yesterday a few friends met at some event, and we were saying that our method of dissemination, today, is that a person comes with a point in the heart so it's very deterministic. Once a week, two hours, that's it, no more, go through a process, and so on. And it's clear that we share that for part of us it wasn't like that. So, is it right to try all kinds of methods? Maybe some people want to have more days, or different forms, our main thing is to disseminate. Is that right to even think of that direction or only go in one path?
M. Laitman: Try, try. It is written there are many ways, many roads to the place, to the Creator.
Reader: We can keep going, or the Rabash letter.
M. Laitman: Letter by Rabash, which one?
Reader: We have letter 45.
M. Laitman: 45, well, yes.
Reader: (01:16:05) Announcement
Song: (01:16:35)