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A Talk with Rav

A New life

Talks on the New World of Work

Talk 119

Talk December 26, 2012

Oren: Hello and thank you for joining us in the New Life series with Rav, Dr. Laitman. Hello Nitzah M., hello …..

Rav: Hello.

Oren: And in this series, of the New Life series we’re going to talk about the new work place. We are always learning something new from Dr. Laitman about the life that we will have in our workplace. We’ll work especially on our relations with people and relations with other organizations. And through these pictures, situations, and processes that each of us experience throughout our adult lives in the places that we work, we’ll try to understand what this new life is that we can have, that we can advance towards, that we can open a gate to a new existence, a better existence, more fulfilling and satisfying existence for ourselves. And that’s it. You are welcome to join us. Nitzah, what are we going to focus on today?

Nitzah: Before we focus, maybe a few words can be shared in order to review what we talked about in the first program on this subject. You spoke about the subject regarding humanity and that we went through some development process, and this process caused us to reach a point where today, we experience a point of crisis, a feeling of crisis. Actually, it’s the human desire, a social desire. It’s like a wide picture that something is happening in general. We can see it on an individual level and at the societal level.

Rav: That’s why we need to correct our general desire for our entire life, but we can’t reach the wide audience with that. That’s why we are bringing this through improving relations at work. Because the matter, egoistic desire, understands that it’s worth it to fix it. It will be more effective, be better, etc. But actually our goal as educators is much further beyond that.

Nitzah: Of course. And the workplace is the place where we spend many hours a day. It’s also a good laboratory for checking the connections between people.

From there you continued and said that there is a gap between this general desire of nature and it’s reflection in the desire of the system of the organization that wants to act as a system. There is a connection between them that is coordinated and based on connections, but the desire of the individual that comes to the organization is actually focused on personal gain. Then there is conflict between the two forces. On the one hand the force of the system. I am not talking about the general force of nature. I am talking about the organization itself. The organization needs this connection, unity, and the individuals are pulling in the other direction. This conflict is bringing a gap, and where do we feel it on a daily basis? We can feel it in values. The subject of values is very significant today in organizations. Organizations really, really want to implement collaboration, listening, fairness, and transparency; all these terms that are very correct words are not just words, they are really principles. If we implement them, this would be good for the organization. But the individual does not actually have any interest in realizing these values, so then there is a big gap. Everyone understands with their mind that it will be good for the organization, but actually in reality, it is impossible to implement them.

Rav: It’s just like in our group. We need to build a group, and the group is correcting the individual. It’s the same thing in an organization. We are not looking after each and every person. We understand the individual will always be against it. Rather, we need to create an environment of the organization which will attract within it each and every individual, every employee. He won’t have any choice when it’s offered in a convenient and simple manner. Even though it’s against his nature, he will flow into this connection.

Nitzah: -The last program, you started giving us a few practical exercises. There were exercises and special states that you illustrated through games and workshops. You put us through a chain of situations, a series that had the goal of forcing us, the individual, to get us out of this thought, this basic paradigm where we put ourselves, our “I” as the center. We don’t know any other way; we think through ourselves. You gave us a sort of practical theory to put ourselves at the end and to consider a new way of thinking which actually allows us to think about WE as a system. You called it the collective mind, the collective feeling, and we went through a series of situations like that.

The first question that the friends in the professional team that we’re working with had and really wanted to verify is what the psychological process is that a person goes through. A person goes through a certain psychological process the minute he gets out of paradigm A until he gets to paradigm B where he is actually succeeding to connect and reach the state of collaboration. It’s important to understand the psychology, so that we will be able to get the process done in the methodological way.

Rav: That we are concerned for the organization, we are concerned for the environment, we are all building an environment, and no one pays attention to himself, because if for himself, then everyone will run into all kinds of problems and difficulties.

Rav: We need to understand that if the entire organization, let’s say, if all our people that work together inside our business, if all of them are connected correctly, then first of all surely we will live stronger. We’ll be more effective. We’ll be healthier, more satisfied, happier, etc.

And apart from that, we will be matching that general nature that you spoke of earlier; our relation is a close relation to the general force that’s managing us throughout evolution. It’s brining us closer. It will be friendlier to us, to our organization. And if it is friendlier and closer to our organization, then we will succeed not just because we are connected, but because we are connected to it, to the general force. We’ll have the great support from the general force, from the general nature. That’s very important. So it’s clear that each and every person inside the organization must look after how we create a good environment. That’s it.

That actually that’s the goal; to create a good environment that will help us in work and outside of work in or families. On our weekends, anything we do, we will do it together. Just like today with the way many organizations do. We need to bring it to the point where our place of work is our place of life. Not like you said that most of the hours we “spend” our hours there, but that we’ll truly go in there with our families, with our vision, each person’s vision, and that everything will be through connection. Not precisely in our business with families, and our problems at home, and all that stuff. It’s not the business. It already becomes like a group, an environment. It becomes special, unity, one big family, like a tribe, and that’s how we must see it.

With the help of the management, we need to bring this information to each worker; that we’re heading towards this goal, our organization, our workplace is going to be something together where we are in mutual cooperation, in mutual responsibility, Arvut. This will be a connection between us, one where each one will look after others, because in that, we are building a strong organization. Everything is for the sake of success. And the management must also encourage it from the side of the profits. That the profits that will come as a result will also be somehow divided among the participants, among everyone. Just like we sell shares or distribute shares. Because it’s clear to us that we will actually be able to save more and be more effective. There is no question. That’s first of all. Therefore, all the acts that we are doing now with the organization, is actually raising the importance of the connection, unity.

We explained to them the collective mind, collective power, collective intelligence, and all the positive examples and research we have. Also we explained from the point of education, health, and how much a person saves stress wise and everything? In addition how it’s so much easier, more pleasant and good. A good environment is truly good for every person.

For us, it won’t be difficult to do, even though each of us is an egoist and only thinks about himself. If the organization influences in that way, it will reflect, it will convey this feeling. If we play with it, if we act, if we do exercises, workshops, then of course in that, we will make such an atmosphere that it will be easier for each person to be participating rather than to go against. Even though the nature of each person is to oppose. It’s natural to oppose.

So the first condition is raising the importance of connection. There is nothing more important for a good environment, because the connection defines everything. I can bring statistics to show how much it improves my mood, my health, how I’m saved from problems, and how I can solve problems at home and at work, also how I can advance and how much I am benefiting with more money than before, etc., etc. It’s all possible, and it can all be proven statistically. What is happening with employees: diabetes, overweight, blood problems, heart attacks, all those things, and even cancer, etc., can be improved. There are statistics and research showing that it’s worth it for us to bring to the workers, to show them that this health restoration is at all levels, both spiritual and body. And then how we implement it.

After we have internalized within ourselves, this knowledge that it’s worth it for us, and also the management says we must do this, each worker sees for the first time that what the management is deciding is for his benefit. He is truly in agreement, and he really agrees with it.

So how do we do it? Then we begin to explain to them what the psychology of man is. How much we hate each other because of our ego. That we always want to gain at the expense of others. We always calculate ourselves to others. To the extent that he is worse off, I feel better. If I go down, he goes up.

The gap between us also has research about that. If they say to me, we are giving you an increase in salary of ten percent and the others twenty percent, then I don’t want the ten percent. I just don’t want the others to get more. I am always measuring myself against them.

Here we are learning what our ego is, how much it’s destroying everything, how it’s killing us. If I didn’t have such a thing, how relieved I would be from all the stress, problems, diseases, and I would really profit. If I look altogether that everyone is like one family then what do I care that someone else is making twenty percent, and I am making ten percent. I am only happy for it. The good of society and the good of man start being the same thing. It might look a little bit crazy, something a bit unrealistic, but it’s possible to reach it; it’s possible. If we advance like that then in that, I get even richer. Meaning, everyone accept for me gets some addition, some bonus. If someone has joy today, and I am part of that joy, then I am also joyful.

Even though it’s hard, theoretically a person receives from that such an ability to fill himself with some kind of feelings and good influences, good feelings that there is no limit.

So how do we head toward that? After we learn about the nature of man, the egoistic nature, and alongside that, we learn about the organization’s nature that is friendly for each person. We have a few discussions about nature, what a desire to receive is: food, respect, intelligence, also, how we build ourselves each time more and more, and how we measure ourselves according to the environment. If I live within a community, it’s enough for me to live like this. If I live in the city, it’s enough for me to live like this. The environment gives me this standard, the standard of success, the form of success. I need a house like everyone else, I need a car if everyone has a car, I need green grass like everyone, etc. We see how our ego, at the end of the day, kills us and brings us to this general crisis from which we also don’t see any way of getting out of. If all of us together begin to realize and to show, just as in an organization, that the correction that we are doing in the organization is the same correction that the whole world will need to do, and we are first in this, than you can be the pioneers in this and will be able to give an example to everyone. Also you can show that there is no choice for the whole world, that what we are doing is not against nature, and it’s not against the way of the entire world, but that they are behind us. Then we’ll be the first successful ones to encourage them in every way, and that we are something special in really dealing with things that are the new revelation and new way of existing which the whole world is advancing toward.

After we have given that, then we can explain what the laws are, the laws that we need to have in the integral society, and that everyone reduces themselves a bit and respects the society.

In every state, I need to act with the consideration of what I am doing is good for the society in general and that at the end of the day, is our society profiting. We don’t think about the profit of the factory, of the business profit, monetary profit. We are only thinking about the human profit, the mood, the situation of the relations between us. Because monetary profits like now, we always think who is going to benefit from it. Not me, I don’t care. But we’re talking about how we will live, how we’ll live those hours at work and even beyond, because how I come home depends on how I leave work.

So how will we live in a good society, a good environment? Good environment is the name. We appreciate the environment; we appreciate the person participating in it.

Everyone gives an example to others, even an exaggerated example. How much he is concerned about the environment. I turn the light off if it’s not needed. I maintain, I look after all kinds of things in our environment. I bring everyone some candies. I tell nice, good things to other people. We smile. We make a physically good environment. And in that, we have to bring examples, various examples of what is appropriate and what is not. This is psychological work, really.

Also we are examples in our speech, not to be shy. We sit together, we look at each other, and we complement one another just like we do in workshops. We smile to one another, everyone says a half sentence, and I try to add to it. I get used to going after other people. They say something, I am not against it, I am all for it. Even as an exercise. All the exercises have to be only for completion, positive. Not negative. And you have to pay attention to that.

I can’t concentrate on this now, but there is a whole list of things we can do. Especially to speak of how much we gain by getting closer to nature, by leading all of humanity: how much we will all profit in health, in education, and everything, how much it will help in relations at home, how much everyone is concerned for others, and how much more effective we are at work. Every possible subject can be developed, can be opened up. Also to show them how much it is really the smallest things. Along with the experts the organization, they know the problems they have, because the people are lazy, they don’t care, they are negligent. We raise all these things up, and they can see how much they can profit from it, actually, in monetary profit. We need to have picnics together and workshops with the families.

All these things need to fill their hearts. We are adding to our work, a good heart and an open mind, because we are no longer busy putting a stick in everyone’s wheel and each person looking like they’re so awesome. Then everyone begins to feel from all these workshops that truly there is something common between us. There is this mutual concern, this general feeling and warmth that is everything. This work is never ending. The workshops can be repeated, because the person keeps changing until we feel between us that we have a general desire, general thought, general mind, collective. When we get into that place, we feel that we’re going into Noah’s Arc. Like a bubble that’s protecting a person, that’s giving him support, warmth, and that is really looking after him. And in accordance with that, he is obligated to relate to everything.

On the side of the organization, he feels himself like a child, like a baby in his Mother’s hands. On the other hand, it obligates him to be a great and effective participant. That’s the goal of all the lectures, talks, and activities.

Nitzah: I want to sharpen this question a bit. The question about the psychological process that a person is going through. The person is in a state where he is stuck in his thinking, stuck in his way of looking at life. He is in a state, he is looking at his reality, from his experience, from his personal attributes, plus the experiences that he had throughout life. That’s his starting point. He needs to go through stage by stage until he reaches this state you’re describing. This ability to connect and create this collective mind. So when I say a psychological process or an emotional process, what’s happening to him exactly? What’s he understanding?

Rav: It’s all egoistic. He sees that he is gaining. We are not breaking him in that. We are only showing him that if he goes above his private ego to the general ego, he gains. Why? In the general ego, he gains with everyone. You can see it in any army, commando that you can’t get a lot by yourself; rather you get more by being together. Not just in acting. But I see now in my work that it’s convenient for me, it’s good for me to be in these hours at work, and that I enjoy them. I live these hours of work. I breathe well. I am getting good impressions from everyone. It’s pleasant for me to be in this place. I come every time, even though each time, I have to overcome things, I upgrade myself, I have to think how we come to work, how we do these few minutes, these ten minutes at work, singing, all kinds of things in the morning.

Oren: Yes.

Rav: What do we do in the morning?

Oren: Every day. Everyone together?

Rav: How do we start the day?

Oren: Everyone?

Rav: Not everyone together. Depends. What kind of organization. How big it is.

Oren: Hundreds of people.

Rav: Let’s say a department. You always have a radio inside of each company. Not for sure, but we can make it. You have a speaker system.

Oren: But they can gather inside a meeting room or something.

Rav: To make a long story short, as a group of people come together, what do they do every morning? What do they do? They get blessing from some person in the group, some song, a few nice words. We need to connect to things. We need to wake them up toward connecting, to remind them that in this place we keep the good relations between us. And we understand that each person is coming with all kinds of problems, etc., but it’s worth it for us to do it, to raise ourselves to a good mood. Because what helps us being in a bad mood? We are all loosing out. Health, everything, and the stress. So, by going with my ego all day eating at myself inside in some corner, I am not solving anything like that. And nothing good is coming form it. I will make a little effort on myself just like I get a nice drug. That’s one thing. Say somebody has a birthday, something. It only costs a few pennies. Raise a glass, maybe a bit of cake. Don’t be in contempt of these things.

Oren: It’s like a morning instruction. Is it important that everyone participate in t? It’s like synchronizing the group. Is it important that everyone will be in charge of that each day?

Rav: Yes, yes.

Oren: Maybe they do it in couples, but the main thing is that each person goes through the experience of starting that morning up;

Rav: His good influence on the society.

Oren: Give me something rational. Say. Nitzah and I need to do it tomorrow. Yesterday, somebody else did it, two days ago, somebody else.

Rav: You need to find.

Oren: I know, but can you direct me to some rationality, so that I can add creatively, but I know that I am in the right line.

Rav: Today Nitzah and I are very happy that we have the opportunity to contribute the good mood to the organization.

Nitzah: The point is to raise the mood?

Rav: To bring everyone up to the good mood.

Oren: That’s the goal? On top of that, we need to make something up.

Rav: You don’t need to make something up. You can always make up a nice song, a few warm words. You could tell something about someone, each time someone else. Someone might have a birthday or something, that as well. But we know that each one has a birthday, we have a little petty cash, and from there we raise a glass. Everyone’s invited before lunch time, etc.

Oren: By the way, the fact that each day you need to pay respect to somebody who did something good for the organization?

Rav: It’s good to, but it’s not necessary. The point is to raise the business up so that everyone will have a good mood, to make people happy, in other words. That you understand. In that you could always add. There is always something to add. (Sorry, that was in brackets).

Nitzah: So where were we? We were at a process…

Rav: This was in the morning, also in the lunch time something can be done, and also in the evening. Maybe at lunch, time we can do some little workshop and even if everyone stays in their place, people can be connected to the speaker system to some workshop that’s being held. We make sure that there is good news, good news. We talk about things that are good for everyone inside the organization and from the world also. Good news.

Oren: What do you mean good news from the world?

Rav: I don’t know. That Ahimadinejad is dead. I don’t care what.

Oren: Why only good?

Rav: Why do we need bad news? Somebody going around looking for bad news and scaring us with all kinds of breaking news. What do I need it for? I don’t need it. That’s one thing. On the other hand, there should be music throughout the day that is pleasant. Music that is agreed on by everyone. Not music that puts people to sleep, but in the direction of a good pace. To make long story short, to cause… it’s a thousand and one things.

Nitzha: O.k. now we are going to the day to day practice. O.k. now it’s the day to day things. That’s after we do the process that is part of the practical things we do on the daily basis. So I am going back to building the good society. We defined it in the other program, and this was something that was very attractive and lots of questions came about this subject. To make this entire process to build this collective brain, collective feeling, we felt that we got stuck on the exercises, and we forgot that we wanted to…

Rav: No, we don’t talk about it. It’s scary, it’s rejecting, it’s unrealistic, it’s spiritual, mystical. We don’t speak about it. But they will start to feel it. It’s like in a very close knit family. There’s like a general feeling of what’s happening in a family, a spirit, because they become like one person.

Nitzah: It’s bonding, it provides bonding.

Rav: Yes, it should be in words like that.

Nitzah: Now other questions that they asked were about the preparation process. Also this process that you described. We called it the process to shake people up. Because he is going through a process. He has to come out of himself by doing the exercises. He has to get rid of all kinds of old format. You said, first they need to relax. And then he needs to play with different forms, all kinds of exercises.

Rav: That’s only in workshops to do that. I don’t believe in conversations and lectures.

Nitzah: You only believe in workshops.

Rav: Yes. But after they receive an explanation, they speak of it. Don’t call it workshops, call it dialogue. That people sit and discuss between them.

Nitzah: So truly these are questions that came up from the team. How do we bring them to the stage when they are ready to begin the process? They are missing the preparation stage that explains the business, the executives. How do we start this process where you reach a stage where you agree to create the process? It means, I understand, I want to connect. The first stage that you gave is an intelligence level.

Rav: No, we spoke of that. This we explain that the nature of the person is the will to receive.

Nitzah: Here you get exercises. Here’s an example. When we did the program of man and wife, you showed us the man’s nature and the woman’s nature and you showed us exercises. What do they need to do to ask about the nature of man?

Rav: Everyone needs to talk to everyone else in a circle how much he or she understands or doesn’t understand what the nature of man is, which is an ego that’s bad. Why is it good, why is it bad, etc. To chew on it. But before that, we explain to them. That’s the first workshop.

The second workshop is that our ego is going through evolution. How it comes and was like this, and was like this, and then Medieval Ages, and capitalism until today where we reached a state where we don’t even know anything. How our ego develops in a village, in a city, and if I am alone, or in a family. Let them talk about all these things, so they’ll have a subject that’s closer, so they’ll get to know each other. They’ll learn about themselves, the average person depending where he is. Now they are talking about the ego: how we reached the crisis, how we got through the twentieth century, and the ego is all suddenly blocked, it’s getting rounder, and we don’t know what to do with it.

And then we’re in a state where it’s, on the one hand becoming rounder, and on the other hand, we don’t want to get into it in a round manner. There is a big problem between this system that we are in now, where we’re connected to one another and each person being egoistic on their own. So how are we in this state today? There are also countries that are connected one to the other in Europe for example. They are connected and they can’t separate on one hand, on the other hand, they are suffering. It’s not just in Europe, it’s the whole world. Everyone is becoming dependent on one another.

This interdependence comes from our development. We did not choose it. We’re suddenly discovering examples of things being connected: animals, trees, humans. We’re all in one system. There are many, many subjects, much research that we could bring to them to speak about it. And people understand from hearing others that he understands more then from what I say. Everyone gets more impressed by others, because in that, he is putting his ego in for or against, if I hear from a friend. If I hear from a lecturer, it’s not so interesting.

Nitzah: He receives it as proof.

Rav: But does not necessarily agree with it. But if I am sitting in a circle with my colleagues, then my feelings are a bit sharper.

Then we spoke about the will to receive, the crisis, where this crisis is happening: in a family, education, culture, science, social relations, economics, finance, ecology, also how we relate to nature as reactions? So the crisis is in what, the source of the crisis?

Then we reach the stage when we see our ego does not allow us to do anything at our home, in the society, at work; it does not allow us to be connected. That’s why on the one hand, we feel bad in the world, and the studies, and the terror. In the end of the day, we got to this developed world that’s badly developed through our development.

Nitzah: Here I’d like to go into detail, because I know as somebody who has a host has to cause people going through the discussion to reach by themselves to say that the crisis is because of relations between us. And this is not easy to convey to people. It’s not connected. So I am missing some focus here, because I know it’s a very special point to cause people to understand.

Rav: What is reality, inanimate, vegetative, animate, and human? Everyone is together on Earth: wind, earth, fire, plants, and a man who went through this entire stage of development. A man who controls all these things. Man. Who brought our entire days to this stage if not us? See this and all the pollution in the world and destruction. Who else caused all this if not man? What we did with nature. Who is at risk of being ruined? Man by man.

So the question goes like this, “Why is it happening?” Because our general power, our desire has reached its maximum development, that on the one the he wants to take advantage of the entire world and will force everyone to get along in a nice, friendly manner.

I dream sometimes at night that I go out into the streets of the city and there is no one there, quiet. Everything’s open, stores. I remember a dream from my childhood that I went into a toy store, and there is no one there. Going to the sea, and there is no one there. O.k. that is another thing. That’s my ego. I developed to this state where I don’t want anyone in the one hand. On the other hand, I suddenly decide that I am relying on everyone. Say everyone disappears. How do I live? Where are my shoes, socks, where are supplies. Not to acquire anything, nothing. I am entirely in the jungle of the city dependent on everyone. Were it not for this, it will collapse. I am related to this society, to the people in this society. In other words, our problem is correcting man. Why don’t we think about it? Because we don’t want to work on ourselves. If you pay me, I am prepared. To influence something to someone, I’m prepared. But to change myself, that’s the most difficult problem, the most difficult work.

I either need a big stick like the Russians who wanted to educate their nation or an environment, a good environment to influence me, because throughout the years that I was born, I developed through an environment, a certain opportunistic person. Now I need a new environment. Just like a person being born anew. Being born anew and deciding that I am being born from scratch, there is no choice. And there I need a new profession. Not a nursery school. I need an environment that will influence me, it will influence me in such and such profession and in such goodness. I who am corrupt already from the previous environment, in all its forms, I will receive a new education. And this is what I need to see as my salvation. They need to reach this gradually, gradually. When I myself reach such a decision, it’s not like you need to take a stick and hit me on my back. I need an environment that will work on me like a mother on its baby in a nice way, in a friendly manner, and with gentleness.

Nitzah: Which is actually what you explain now. In the organization, they need to build an environment that is good for them.

Rav:Yes.

Nitzah: So they they promise that it will happen. Obviously the organization has to go through the process first.

Rav: I’ll tell you it’s not so important, because we can give them a presentation, demonstration. O.k. It worked on us, it worked on everyone, then it’ll take time. But first they need to be impressed that it works. Some talk, some feelings,

Oren: You mentioned some insight that looks very advanced to me. You said that a person at the end of the process reaches the recognition that he needs an environment that will reeducate him like a mother.

Rav: He wants it to happen, because he understands that his ego is truly ruining his life.

Oren: Why can’t I be satisfied with a little bit? Can’t I or why?

Rav: Because you’re being cheap. I want to stay at home. I want to watch TV. You’re a mizer. You’re stingy. I want some nuts. I go out with my dog to walk.

Oren: People today want to realize themselves. They want a career.

Rav: What kind of realization? It’s like that Mexican guy who sits under a tree with sombrero.

Oren: He’s in Mexico. I am talking about developed countries. What is all that for?

Rav: So that later, you can sit quietly. So sit now quietly.

Oren: I don’t think many people today want to sit under a tree.

Rav: I don’t think there are lots of people today that have an ability, a chance to reach great success. There is not a lot left. I see the flow is outward, to firing.

Oren: That’s the market’s problems, but not the individual’s. Wait, I didn’t ask precisely.

Rav: I want to give a person, if he wants it, to let him go to all kinds of successes. I want to give satisfaction, to be happy with what he has, to be satisfied. If he thinks now, I need to make this much, I need to succeed, and he is eating himself up for twenty years and then he dies. I want to give him now, even if he wants to advance. I am not saying don’t advance. I don’t want to make him into a statue, but I want to give him in every moment of his life, happiness. O.k. So why not?

Oren: Yes, you said in this process…

Rav: Even if I see that the neighbor has greener grass and that mine is not as green, I can really see it very clearly. Even though it can be a lie, it’s how I see it. I know how to make this type of correction for myself so that it won’t eat me up inside.

Oren: How can you teach this to me?

Rav: I understand in my brain that he has greener grass. Now is it worth it for me to invest in this? Yes, no, why? I buy myself some kind of system of calculations, new calculations, where I know how to manage myself, even my feelings, my mood. Not that I am going out of my house every day and see he has a Porsche, and I have like a tiny Cicita car.

Oren: At work there are lots of interactions like this. Why him, not me.

Rav: This fills my life. This destroys my life. It gives me an ulcer.

Oren: So what can we do? That’s what I am asking.

Rav: We here are doing a psychological act that does not destroy you. You keep saying the truth and decide in cold calculation whether it’s worth it for you or not. Maybe it’s not worth it. You look at your friend, let’s say Mushi, that knows how to lift up a 150 kilos and can punch someone, so he’ll go flying twenty meters away from him. But you don’t. Are you gonna eat yourself up inside about that or not? No.

Oren: Why not? Because it’s interesting to him.

Rav: You say for me it’s not worth it to invest time in it. It’s hard for me. It doesn’t attract me. That’s in your subconscious. You are operating a subconscious system. Like they say a person does not desire the King’s daughter, because it will cost me so much, so much regret that I can’t do it, because I need to regret my whole life. So I don’t want to regret it. I am deleting it. My ego is working here on itself so that it gets out of me this goal, this sadness. And the neighbor’s greener grass, or his Porsche, or his house, this is also a question. If I can do such a correction on my ego, that just like I don’t desire to be a boxing champion, then I don’t desire it. Just like I am now old, and I am not jealous of someone young and full of strength. I am not jealous, because I have an inner system that tells me it’s not worth it for you to be jealous. You’re just goanna destroy yourself. You can bring the years back? No. So it’s not worth it. Use your life that you have left in an effective way, and that’s it.

Oren: So, how do you build this system that on the one hand clears all the illusions away, and on the other hand advances you to achievements that are in your hand? Because otherwise, you’ll just be useless. So the goal is to make a differentiation between goals and targets. It’s worth it to me to define what is in my power, my attributes, and nature to implement it, like laziness is between me, and that, and that, and goals that are yours.

Rav: Give us the strength to change what’s in our power and not to want what we can’t have.”

Oren: To focus, how do I develop this ability? It’s a very personal thing.

Rav: But you understand that it’s good. Of course I wish, I promise you that you’ll get it.

Oren: But how will you give her and him and… Every person is different.

Rav: It does not matter that every person is different.

Nitzah: Everyone will acquire this ability according to what they are.

Rav: Through our exercises, because through them you will understand what our ego is, how destructive it is, how much it can be used, how much it can’t be used. You’re not canceling it, you are using it correctly. But it’s actually, how can we say, that’s our goal to use all of man’s nature, not to erase it.

Oren: Well I understand it on a personal level or theoretically?

Rav: This and that. You will be able to use it actually in acts.

Oren: What, you’ll give me a microscope to go inside, to see my potential, my abilities?

Rav: You’ll be able to calculate, you’ll research yourself, and you’ll understand what is and what is not you.

Oren: Another question if possible. We have another two minutes. I see that you suggested ten discussions or more. And each one I checked, I waited for you to talk about what’s happening in the organization. You did not say one word about what’s happening in the organization.

Rav: We’re not going back to what we had. We are being reborn from new. I am not talking about the organization, and how it’s organized, and the relations between people. Nothing. I came to you. I have nothing to do with your organization. I don’t even want to learn about your organization at all.

Nitzah: You mean I don’t…

Rav: I don’t want to understand their difficulties. I know what your disease is in general, which is the ego, the ego that controls in all directions in each one of us in each day anew. So I don’t have any reason to learn the organization. Who you are, what you are is clear to me; rather, I need to bring the new platform in between us. So that you will rise up a level, ethically, in a human level, in your awareness, understanding, and clarification, what’s good and what’s not for each one on an individual basis and the entire organization’s.

Nitzah: So the approach today is people spend a lot of money trying to understand the obstacles in the organization.

Rav: And everyone comes and develops it and thinks this is the problem and that‘s the problem. With us there is no such thing. We are completely ignoring the current state of the organization. We don’t care more, or less, or of some level of conflict. What do I care? We need to rise up. Therefore songs, blessing each other, complementing each other; it’s all upward. That’s it.

Oren: Thank you, Rav Laitman. Thank you, Nitzah. Thank you for being with us. I promise that we’ll continue this in the next conversations. Until next time.