The transcript has been transcribed and edited from English simultaneous interpretation, thus there may be potential semantic inaccuracies within it.

Daily Lesson (Morning), December 24, 2024. 

Part 1: Article, The Love of the Creator and the Love of the Creatures 

Reader: Hello, we are studying the article “The Love of the Creator and the Love of the Creatures”. We are continuing under the heading, “Love Your Friend as Yourself”. You can find the materials both on Sviva Tova and the Arvut System, and send questions, there. In the writings of Baal HaSulam, the article, “The Love of the Creator and the love of the Created Beings”, under the heading “Love Your Friend as Yourself”. 

Reader: (00:35) Love Your Friend as Yourself. 

We should also examine and understand the meaning of the verse itself when he says, “Love your friend as yourself.” The literal meaning of it is to love your friend to the same extent that you love yourself. However, we see that the public cannot be like that at all. If it had said, “Love your friend as much as your friend loves you,” there would still not be many who could fully observe it, yet it would be acceptable.

But to love my friend as much as I love myself seems impossible. Even if there were but one person in the world besides me, it would still be impossible, much less when the world is full of people. Moreover, if one loved everyone as much as one loves oneself, he would have no time for himself, for it is certain that one satisfies one’s own needs without neglect, and with great passion, for one loves oneself.

It is not so concerning the needs of the collective: He has no strong reason to stimulate his desire to work for them. Even if he had a desire, could he still keep this statement literally? Would his strength endure? If not, how can the Torah obligate us to do something that is not in any way achievable?

We should not imagine that this verse was said as an exaggeration, for we are warned and insist on “You will neither add nor take away from it.” All the interpreters agreed to interpret the text literally. Moreover, they said that one must satisfy the needs of one’s friend even in a place where one is himself deficient. Even then he must satisfy the needs of his friend and leave himself deficient.

The Tosfot interpret Kidushin 20, “One who buys a Hebrew slave, it is as though he buys a master for himself.” The Tosfot interpret there in the name of the Jerusalem [Talmud] that “Sometimes he has but one pillow. If he lies on it himself, he does not observe, ‘For he is happy with you.’ If he does not lie on it and does not give it to his slave, it is sodomite rule. It turns out that against his will he must give it to his servant. Thus, he has bought himself a master.”

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (04:47) Where is the border between the necessary degree and the observing of the commandment “Love thy Friend as Thyself”? 

M. Laitman: We need to accept love your friend as yourself as a law, a necessary law. 

Student: That's clear, on one hand but on the other hand, he makes a point that if he does that, he won't even be able to care for himself. Even if there's just one person besides him, it's still impossible. So, how can a person scrutinize this matter where he’s necessary sustaining himself in relation to the observing of this commandment? 

M. Laitman: If a person is prepared to disconnect from himself and care about the needs of his friend, then it turns out that he will care about himself and his friend to the same extent, as if he's divided in two. And if he has a million people, he has to divide himself relative to the entire audience.

Student: How can a person who wants to – on the path, on this way – observe this commandment know how to scrutinize what's the spiritual commandment love your friend as yourself. And what already enters into the realm of sustaining his own body, where seemingly he's not supposed to harm that?

M. Laitman: I can't answer, there are many questions, here; the more I answer, the more questions you will have. But it's clear that he should not, he's not allowed, to care only about himself. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (07:39) If we, several people in the Ten, feel that there's this one goal between us. And gradually the difference gets blurred whether I care for myself or for the friend, it feels like it's gradually worthwhile, or equal. Could it be where a person cares for himself and by that he actually cares for others, as well? 

M. Laitman: It's possible that you build such a society, where the moment you relate to yourself, it's equal to how you relate to everyone. But it speaks about this principle simply.

Student: This isn't necessarily just the action of caring for the friends and not caring for myself. But it's more to what I attribute myself to, what I belong to?

M. Laitman: You belong to your group. 

Student: Okay, and inside the Ten, if friends understand that I have to observe something for myself. Could it be that that action I will do it upon myself but it's actually going to be for them, as well? 

M. Laitman: If that's what we agreed on, otherwise, no.

Student: What does it mean if that's how we agreed upon? 

M. Laitman: All these ideas, they need the agreement of the general public. The public can be the Ten, the group, the country but they need agreement.  

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (09:32) Who is this Hebrew servant that we should relate that he's talking about?

M. Laitman: Hebrew servant, Hebrew slave, might be confusing.

Student: He says for it is happy with you, has to give him a pillow, and if not, it's the Sodomite rule. So, who is it, he doesn't say that it's a friend, the other, what's the servant? 

M. Laitman: From the very beginning, with our mind, our intellect, what we're used to, the conditions that exist. In our world, we cannot understand precisely what it means.

Student: I understand that a pillow is something very important, close to a person that he has to give. But who is the servant, why is it not a friend, the other? What is this discernment of a slave, specifically? It's someone that's not, that's the one I'm supposed to connect with, it's not someone from my Ten, probably. 

M. Laitman: No, he is taking a person who is the lowest of everyone. 

Student: And still, we have to give him the pillow.

M. Laitman: Yes, yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:22) It says here that it's seemingly impossible, basically. And then he explains why. He even gives an example of a Hebrew slave, and even towards one person who is your slave, seemingly. You have to serve him in such a way that you make him your master; so what can you understand from this, that we need to reach a state in which all of humanity is our master? 

M. Laitman: Yes, I understand it this way. 

Student: So, why is it impossible if a person is in complete surrender, subjugation towards all of humanity, he's like, what can I serve everyone with? 

M. Laitman: You lack the strength, the opportunities. And number two, you don't have nature since naturally, you wish to keep it with all your might, you don't have it. 

Student: Right but it's like a picture that's, seemingly, if a person were to annul his desire to control humanity. And agrees for humanity to control him, not all of humanity, whoever comes into contact with him.

M. Laitman: No, no, no, we're talking about a law. We're talking about a law, and we see that we cannot serve it. 

Student: Yes, yes, that's what he's explaining, yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (13:10) I want to ask it in the most simplest way: What is his friend's needs? What is it that I have to fulfill the needs of my friend? 

M. Laitman: The needs of the friend. The needs of my friend, one friend or everyone's, depending, depends on the circle. A person can define that includes his friends and that's it, and he has to satisfy them. 

Student: We have a Ten, we have a common goal. 

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: We need to care for one another in order to reach the goal. Where is this? I say to myself, okay, thus far, it's the needs of my friend that I'm caring for, so that we will be able together to reach the goal. And from here, this does not justify the goal. Is it correct to think this way? 

M. Laitman: Yes, there is one condition, here, which is agreed upon by all of you in the Ten. And you keep it and what comes out of, what does not fall into the agreement between you, will somehow work itself out. It's possible that from time to time you are testing it, to what extent you are able to be in those conditions. Or to what extent these conditions have changed because of internal or external reasons. 

Student: How do we examine these borders, all the time that we are in the framework within which we can implement the goal? That I don't divert myself from this framework? 

M. Laitman: It's not simple, it has to be a group, several people, two, three, let's say, that looks after the entire Ten, it's from that Ten. And once a week, together with your gathering, you go over your rules and you see what of those rules you can keep, and what you have to change. 

Student: Would you recommend for us to write down these rules? 

M. Laitman: You can write those down but it's not that important what you write. Rather, what's important is that it will be inscribed on the heart. 

 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (16:35) To continue that, love erases the borders, and corrupts the line, here. It's hard to do scrutiny and sustain the scrutiny, and also the love together. Is there any advice on how to perform these scrutinies without it coming down from love? 

M. Laitman: No, it has to be balanced, it has to be balanced that the love will not corrupt the line. You have to talk and check it, and the main thing is the connection. In the connection, we'll see how these things work.

Student: Is there any advice on how to make this balance, how far we can do this scrutiny? Or even internally for a person within him, without opening it up to the Ten? 

M. Laitman: Also like that, internally; a person who checks has to check himself to see that he can, seemingly, see those things in himself. And he feels his demands relative to the Ten, and he judges them objectively, let's say. 

Student: Also, when he judges this, he needs to be in love? 

M. Laitman: Yes, there are no concessions here.  

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (18:34) In the end, he writes, there, that he gives the pillow against his nature, to the other. Now, my question is in our work in the Ten, each, it's known as it's written, he loves himself. But now we want to love the other, is that the condition that we're building in the Ten? Which action could we say fills this commandment? Is the state we're in right now the one that will fulfill the commandment of love thy friend as thyself? 

M. Laitman: It doesn't say which external conditions have to be kept, only that certain conditions, and accordingly, the commandments will be small and limited. Or it will be big and broad, and in great scope. That’s all I can say.

Student: And the love that we build, it's clear, it has nothing to do with corporeality at all, right? It's not something that is external. 

M. Laitman: Both external and internal. 

Student: External means gifts?

M. Laitman: Material attitude from the person towards his friends.

Student: So, the external attitude towards one another?

M. Laitman: Includes everything, a good attitude. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (20:44) If I love someone according to the law that all that I have I give him, so he is happy with you. But if I have one that I love is not capable of being in my reality, it's not necessarily connected to what I do or give him. The reality I'm in is completely opposite to his demands from life, he's not capable of living there, he chokes. What do you do in such a state because I do observe the rule of love your friend as yourself in all the possibilities I have. I define myself as one who loves him. And I also define myself as one who doesn't do harm to others like I don't want done to myself. But in this reality that I've defined to myself where I'm the lover observing these rules, he's not capable of even breathing, there, he's choking in it. What am I supposed to do in such a state besides praying and crying out? 

M. Laitman: You should pray, to cry out; to check to what extent you need to look after the connection with him. What else can you do in order to bring the entire group, we're not talking about two, we're not talking about one – an infinite number of people.

Student: If my attempts to keep this togetherness causes him to hate me, more and more, he's repulsed from me. The more I want to love him and do good for him, he gets more rejection. First of all, why does that happen: What is this thing that I love someone with all my abilities, willing to give my soul for him, and he starts to hate me? Why does that happen? 

M. Laitman: He can't feel that a person is devoted to him and dedicates his soul to him. And he wants to establish boundaries with you in a more external way. 

Student: That external form means from loving him? What does it mean if I love him, what does it mean that I don't love him in some measure? If I love someone, how do I make it so I love him, I don't know, 80%? What am I doing there? 

M. Laitman: I can't say, those are the kind of things that are delivered to the heart.

Student: Yes, but if it's a pattern that repeats itself, I do the work that Baal HaSulam writes about. And the result of it is additional hatred in the environment I'm in with the one that I'm doing this work with. Something is not working out for me in this work, it's not, it doesn't fit in here, somehow. If I love someone, according to this law, we are supposed to be more together, there shouldn't be more hatred. 

M. Laitman: No, not hate but understanding of the connection; and understanding of the distance. A person has to learn that and observe it. 

Student: In the preparation, we said here that I have to receive that the other before me is greater, more sublime. What does it mean that I have the understanding of the distance that you just said now? How do I, well, the distance is also to diminish him? How do we function the moment I love someone so that he won't hate me? 

M. Laitman: It's very difficult to learn how to love. We just need to understand that love obligates, obligates a tight connection, close, wide. 

Student: My question is if we study, if we're learning all the time how to make the other before me always greater, to see higher, Godly qualities in him. To constantly raise him up to the Godly level, to Ein Sof. How do I, as a person that performs this action, how do I not cause hatred and distance? What is this thing with which I hug the one I love and he doesn't start to hate me because of it? 

M. Laitman: It's likely that you project to him such weight, such a heavy attitude. That he wants to run away from you, he doesn't want to feel your attitude toward him. 

Student: This heavy attitude because I know that I have no strength to hold on to these laws, I'm weak. So, I have laws, I have some kind of anchors that I have to put myself into some environment with laws that sustain me. For if I won't be there, I will fly away to hell, anyway. 

M. Laitman: That's incorrect, you have to relate to him like toward everyone, and gradually change your attitude to the other, including to him, in such a way that you open up before them. To see how much you're able to do it, that it doesn't corrupt your attitude toward them. And for them to change your attitude from good to bad. But they won't do it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (28:31) You said earlier that from time to time you do a test in the Ten to see to what extent you can be in those conditions. Whether those conditions change from internal to external. You, also, said that there need to be several friends that keep the whole Ten. And once a week in a meeting they go over your rules and see what changes, there. What conditions, rules are you talking about? 

M. Laitman: The connection between us and the Ten,and the disconnection between us and the Ten. We have to be in balance between them so that each time we arrive at something that we all more or less agree on. 

Student: Why shouldn’t we just have an agreement that It's our entire spirit thing. Why should there need to be an agreement, here? 

M. Laitman: Because it's very difficult, it's very hard to even express it in words; and it keeps changing. 

Student: What actually changes, here? After all the goal, the path, the efforts to acquire something that's, what is there to agree, here? 

M. Laitman: Agree that each one will relate to his friend only using forces he can control. And not that he lets the attitude to the friend, you know, let's go of that attitude to his friend and just relinquish his part into thin air, so to speak. 

Student: Okay and what do we do with this agreement? I can agree at the moment with the friends until the next moment, but?

M. Laitman: We have to check that and do it daily.

Student: What will make my agreement real? 

M. Laitman: That you want to uphold it, permanently. 

Student: That's a good desire but how will it become a reality? 

M. Laitman: No, you insist on it. It will turn you into a system so that you would feel how many forces you extend toward the friend. What kind of forces you wish to receive from them. And that the relationship between you will be as balanced, as possible.

Student: Okay and is this something we have to talk about in the Ten every day and check ourselves? 

M. Laitman: No, not saying daily in the Ten because then it will turn out you will have to discuss it, constantly. However, a person has to be prepared to work and to stand guard. 

Student: That is, to stand guard on everything that has to do with the inner connection between us and that connection? That's the main rule, I'm assuming, in the Ten, the essence? 

M. Laitman: Yes, that's the main thing. 

Student: What about external conditions, the external framework? What's its place inside the Ten? 

M. Laitman: The external framework, I don't know what is its place. We work to ensure that a foreign spirit won't enter the framework. That those people who don't see our goal as theirs in society, will enter.

Student: That's clear, not to bring foreign spirits in, here, but if someone who's already in the Ten for several years and takes it upon himself. Stands guard, like you said, towards the act of connection, he's working on it. What about the conditions that need to be between us on the level of our framework as a Ten? For example, participating in the morning lesson, participating in all kinds of?

M. Laitman: No, these things we don't need to talk about, it's clear to everyone.

Student: What if it's not clear to everyone? 

M. Laitman: Then we need to talk about it but this is our routine in society. 

Student: If I see in my eyes, in the Ten, that there's friends the inner attitude that I understand, we have to work in pressure, that there are friends that can't stand and keep the framework that the Kabbalists have defined, like we heard from Rav. So what am I supposed to do with that? What is that break that you're describing, this shattering? 

M. Laitman: There has to be such an attitude between one another that both of them uplift the world or hold up the world. 

Student: That is in one's attitude. If I go to the practical level and I see that a friend does not keep the order that we decided upon. 

M. Laitman: We have to take care of it. 

Student: Okay, but how, how to take care of this? 

M. Laitman: To explain it to him, to give him the order of actions that he has to take upon himself and upon others. So that truly, there will be no gaps between his understanding and the understanding of the group. 

Student: If there are conditions that we agreed, we signed, we even, you know, decided completely. And then, after a while, even with the importance, and we thought and asked from every possible angle, still the friend doesn't understand.

M. Laitman: If he doesn't understand, we need to explain it, again and again, over and over. If he can't grasp it, if he's unable to or he doesn't want to, then he has to be cautioned to the point that we will eventually have to remove him from his Ten. 

Student: Okay, question: That friend, does he harm the Ten? Or does he harm himself? 

M. Laitman: Both.

Student: Does a friend that doesn't observe or keep the conditions that we decide upon. Does he harm some of the friends or one of the friends in the Ten? 

M. Laitman: Everyone's. 

Student: For everyone, so for example, if I stand and do all the conditions and another friend who's sitting in my Ten and is not holding all the conditions or some of them, so my spirituality is harmed because of him? 

M. Laitman: Certainly. 

Student: So, you're saying continue to explain to him and explain to him until there's a stage that he wouldn't be able to be in the Ten with me? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Okay, if we look at our society, what's detaining us? What's holding us back? What do you feel that could hold us back today as a society? Is there anything that is blocking us, stopping us? 

M. Laitman: There's a disagreement between you.

Student: Arvut?

M. Laitman: Let’s say, Arvut.

Student: What's the covenant, what's this agreement? 

M. Laitman: That everyone needs to be, everyone needs to have a good attitude toward one another. And in total, from all of us to the Creator.

Student: Okay, I have no question about the attitude or the relation to our team because I have no question about that because I could be impressed altogether. But coming back to the same point, if I see, let's see, according to what my eyes see, that I can work with. If I see that a friend in the Ten is not keeping what we already agreed upon between us as a framework that we agreed, that gives example, support. So what to do? 

M. Laitman: There has to be a certain order of actions in the group and how you organize yourself.

Student: What comes before what: Good attitude or keeping the rules? 

M. Laitman: Without keeping the rules, how do you know if it's a good attitude or not? 

Student: You mean that keeping the rules is an expression of good attitude? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: How does this harm the spirituality if we say that one person doesn't observe a certain rule, it harms the spirituality of a friend. In what way does he harm him? 

M. Laitman: Everything.

Student: In what way is he stopping me? 

M. Laitman: He's stopping you because you're not connected to everyone through mutual laws. And he's not giving those laws the same importance as everyone.  

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (39:39) To check whether you're investing in connection, whether we're close or far from connection. When I look at the friend, I have no way to know his efforts, because his internal effort is concealed for me. I don't see it, so how do we examine the connection, if we're so far?

M. Laitman: Nevertheless, we do it based on what we see. 

Student: If I look at myself I see the physical actions they do, everything that they do in this world, in the structure of our Ten, where we observe and where we don't. So in relation to that, I check whether, I examine whether we're close or far from connection? 

M. Laitman: For the time being.

Student: Okay, so how, what happened that we moved to a trend in which the calculation is not personal, anymore? Meaning, if I don't observe something, then I'm harming the spirituality of my entire Ten? Why did such a, what happened in the system that such a change occurred in our lives? 

M. Laitman: The Creator relates to you like a single unit.

Student: Now what to do with that? Because it's like, I see that I'm really, I'm screwing their spirituality, excuse my French.

M. Laitman: I ask to correct, to pray, to cry – something. 

Student: If there are things that I can, that a person kind of like has to check himself. Then, what does he have to check himself to know that through his deeds he is advancing the friends in his Ten to spirituality, what does he check? 

M. Laitman: First of all, the extent to which he is connected to his Ten, with a tight bond with everyone. And, also, that he feels that everyone is connected to him, and that this Ten is truly complete. This is something he wants to see. 

Student: What is this depiction of a whole Ten? How does that look; when I look at it, how do I see it? 

M. Laitman: You can't see it. 

Student: So, that's what I'm asking, because it seems very concealed to you. 

M. Laitman: You don't have this x-ray machine. 

Student: I can look and for example see, for example, this friend didn't come to the lesson, I can see that with my eyes. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, that's something I can measure. 

M. Laitman: We are not talking about that. These are things that must exist, must be kept. 

Student: But those are things I can see, I can also see if he's investing in dissemination. If he's doing all kinds of actions, corporeal actions that we agreed upon according to the laws of the Kabbalists. 

M. Laitman: So start with that. Observe what you can see in this world and then it will open up for you further. 

Student: Just to understand this, what you just said right now. As long as we don't observe, let's say, all the rules of this world in the Ten, we won't be able to see the internal rules of connection between us and the Ten? 

M. Laitman: No. 

Student: Why? 

M. Laitman: Because one depends on the other. 

Student: So, what are the rules of this world in the Ten? 

M. Laitman: The rules of this world is that, materially, we try to not cause any harm to the other, those kinds of things.

Student: It's simply very fundamental, that's why I'm asking about it. If, let's say, now I didn't come to lesson, am I harming him? 

M. Laitman: You can say that, yes. You can say that, no. In truth, of course, yes but if we're talking about a group, a young group that still haven’t felt that sort of mutual support, then you can say that no, not yet, no not yet.

Student: Okay, so we're talking about the Tens that are sitting here, sitting in the world, there's people that are over 20 years on the path. They're supposed to feel somewhat that dependency, yes? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: According to the true measure, if I don't come here, I'm harming him. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Okay, if I don't disseminate, is that harming him? 

M. Laitman: If you agreed on it. 

Student: Yes, we agreed that we're disseminating, 

M. Laitman: It has to be clear. If yes, then, yes.

Student: If, for example, I don't pay Maaser, do I harm him? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: If I don't do certain duties that the society decide, am I harming him too? 

M. Laitman: Of course.!

Student: So, it turns out that I'm constantly harming him, and his spirituality is not in his hands whatsoever. I control his spirituality and what will happen to him or not. 

M. Laitman: Yes. It turns out that ultimately, each one is tied in this way to the spirituality of the friends. And he, you can understand from that, that he determines, their advancement in spirituality.

Student: That's very sharp. So, how do you start to live in that fear that you're preventing the spirituality from your friends? 

M. Laitman: In order to feel good in your commitment to others, you have to turn it into the good order. The way that you are prepared, you're prepared to be connected to them, to always help. As Rabash writes in Love of Friends, two friends in a boat. 

Student: Clear. In the Ten, when we finally get to a place where we all observe the corporeal rules. Then a new layer will open up for us, which I understand is work that we will be able to already see spiritual conditions upon ourselves?

M. Laitman: More, yes.  

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (47:27) To continue this scrutiny: A person, when he doesn't take and observe what he took upon himself, he's in this,. It's clear that he is in a lack of importance of the goal. He doesn't have one right now, he's not capable of withstanding it even though he loves all his friends but he's still not capable. So, the question is how in this point not let him, how to give him a rope so he can pull himself out. To go to him at that point and say, listen, guys, I'm not able to withstand this, you're kind of. How for us, for those who do seem like we're observing it, how not to give him a rope to leave outwards. But rather, he says, you know, I'm in the mode of anything but leave. I come, I do what I can when I can, and I do what I can. Do you come and demand from him something? He doesn't have importance of the goal, I don't have fuel. On the contrary, I don't have anything and it even gives me a legitimacy to fly outwards. So what to do with him? 

M. Laitman: Okay. So what to do? Create a group where it's going to be normal there. But if it doesn't come to lessons and it doesn't do things with everyone, we shouldn't agree to have him among us, very simple. I'm willing to be with each and every one in a group who is coming to lessons and for him to be incorporated. To become incorporated with everyone in the lessons is the most important thing.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (49:40) Today, I think in almost all of these, there are friends that, let's say, don't come to every morning lesson. They come to maybe some and it seems to them that they have necessity in the matter. Maybe the work doesn't enable it to them, their health problems, etc. And our Tens kind of more or less learned how to live with it, and it's kind of okay. If we tried to say, no, a Ten is only those who come every day to the morning lesson. And those who don't come every day put them in separate Tens, there's a good chance that those friends will truly be kicked out. For example, you try to do this with a person who comes once a week, you do it with another Ten. Each comes a different day of the week, you can't do a Ten like that; and more than likely, you'll simply lose these friends. So is that desirable, such a state? 

M. Laitman: In this way, we're not losing them? 

Student: That way they exist to the extent that they feel that they can.

M. Laitman: With Rabash, there was a phone – like a payphone, a dime operated – that was in the hall. And next to the phone, there was a board, there was a white board and everyone was listed, there. People who would walk in and see this board would be impressed, strongly impressed. People who learned, who came every day to study, they wouldn't see the people who are actually written there. They would see maybe 5%, 10% of the, from the entire list of people written, there. That's why I'm asking, what is better, a board, a white board in the heart? Or a white board on the wall? 

Student: It's clear that following up and attendance in the society, it's beneficial for the society to help Tens and friends that are having difficulties, you can talk to them. But the question is about this harsh line that we say, a strong Ten is only this kind of Ten. And there will be other Tens that we will call them?

M. Laitman: A strong Ten is a strong that is present; is present before me and I want to connect with them, and they want me. This is a Ten, I don't demand of them to be in some spiritual degrees, not yet, but that, I do demand. 

Student: We many times say that the only solution is to raise importance and greatness. And then all the friends make greater efforts, beyond raising importance. If you take responsibility in a Ten, or somebody of the group that decides, oh, why does this person not come every day, he can't be in this Ten or in the society. It's a difficult thing.

M. Laitman: But you need to do something. If you do nothing about him, he won't even know that he's coming out, he's going out, that he's leaving the path. 

Student: Okay, so if we tell him, we raise importance and we tell his friend, look we want you this week to be, he says, three, or one day. And beyond that point, if we cut, then it's not clear what is the good result, here?

M. Laitman: And what would be the result if he's going to sit with you this way for ten years, twenty years. But ultimately he's going to stay with you, what he learned for a few days out of a year? We learned that in general in society there are many circles with different degrees of commitment. 

M. Laitman: We are learning the wisdom of Kabbalah. And, of course, we don't weigh or evaluate each and every one according to his mind or his intellect, that's on the one hand. On the other hand, we demand of each and every one a mental effort, intellectual effort. A person should try to be connected with his hands and feet in all his four corners, so to speak, to the group. That's it. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (55:50) I'll try to ask it the way I understand the question. As of today, in each town there are two, three, four people that are ironclad. They come every day to listen. Duties, roles in dissemination, roles in the society. I'm assuming also that they pay Maaser, no one checks anyone's pocket here. But remember that you once told us with Rabash that when you came there, someone put their hand on and said, hey, we pay Maaser here. And ever since that's organized. All those conditions. And also people come sometimes, not every day. Maybe you don't know exactly what they're doing, we don't pressure anyone, that's the situation. Now, it's a different possibility, also, maybe there'll be Tens of people that withstand all the conditions. And the rest of the Tens, those who don't withstand all the conditions, that's also okay, that's also okay, we have circles. But at least those who do withstand all these conditions will reach something that they're supposed to reach. It's a very difficult question but?

M. Laitman: No, no, no. This is very good, keep going. 

Student: And so, yes, that's it, the question is over. There's this option or that option.

M. Laitman: If we wish to reach the goal, we must keep, observe all the conditions that the goal necessitates. And so, there's no question here. You just have to scrutinize what conditions do we must keep. Must. To what extent? Daily, to what height, to what depth? And so on and so forth. 

Student: Only one point. Today, in the last period of time, today, another element ended, which is the Arvut between us. It's more than likely that the group has reached a degree where the emphasis is on that, already. So now, one who observes everything and another who doesn't observe anything, both of them won't reach. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So, that's already a matter of Arvut, it's not like it used to be one says, oh, it's nice. Or whoever hears, hears. Whoever doesn't, doesn't. Now, whoever doesn't hear causes the fact that the other won't do anything, either?

M. Laitman: What can we do? 

Student: It's a question. 

M. Laitman: You want to go over your board, your whiteboard, and call out loud the names that you, you, you, and you will leave here and not come back. And you, and you, and you, and you will come Sundays and you come on Mondays. How do you want to arrange everything? 

Student: That option – again if you're asking me – I wouldn't get rid of anyone. Just also just start to find all the conditions. That would be Ten people that observe; a, nother Ten, these are your conditions. Not that it'll be, let's say, three times, four times like that. And the rest will get along it's okay. You don't have to get there. Those who are like you that also don't observe all the conditions, that’s also okay.  There's a claim that says, maybe that Ten will just fall apart, if he doesn't observe and he doesn't observe. He'll come on Sunday but not on Monday. And the other one will come on Monday and not on Tuesday. So, can we find a solution for that also?

M. Laitman: What do you think? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:00:03) It seems that it could be that we should have a few tables that are meant for kind of guests. Or whoever simply doesn't have a Ten and wants to come to the lesson and incorporate, here. And the concept of the Ten has to be defined really, really, real. What's a Ten, what’s a friend in a Ten, what's demanded of him. And whoever can withstand it, he does; and whoever doesn't get a certain degree of support at some point, then, and if not, then.

M. Laitman: Okay.

Student: I think our Ten is a good example: We are 17 friends in the Ten. Out of them, 13 come regularly to the morning lesson. Three virtual ones, ten are here physically, some of us are sometimes in roles. Let's say one is right now in translation but ten are physically in the building every morning like that, three virtually every morning and in addition, there are more. What I want to say is that there's a very strong anchor that's stable in the Ten that can carry with it other friends. It’s certain that those additional four or five additional ones, if they were united in such a separate Ten, they wouldn't be able to hold on. 

M. Laitman: Okay. Good luck.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:01:46) According to nature, the strongest animal survives, the weakest one, doesn't. I also saw that the Greek had this method to kill the weak to leave the strong ones, make groups of strong ones. Is there any meaning in spiritual advancement to come to such a default? It seems like Jews didn't follow that.

M. Laitman: No. But Jews, it was a connection – connection.

Student: Of all the parts? 

M. Laitman: Of everyone, and each one must see, must perform, actions where the entire military will be, or entire group will be as one unit. 

Student: It's not that I understand but in the Exodus, immediately it's written, the men, the women, the elderly, the small, the children. In our Ten, there's someone 72, there's 27, there's people who are sick. Is there something missing in this structure with which we can go? Or can you work with it? 

M. Laitman: Of course you can. Each Ten, whatever, however it may be, you can continue to work and you can continue to work and work stronger. And we'll advance. 

Student: It's like a school of wolves and there's one kind of behind, kind of caring for everyone, a pack of wolves. What's missing in such a Ten? Where there’s elder, there's the weak. They will define, maybe there's someone that will define himself as a leader in advance. Is there a problem with that? 

M. Laitman: No. You can ask, where should a person enter? A strong Ten, like wolves, or a weak Ten, like rabbits. That's a question, you need both.  

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:04:50) We are asking ideologically to continue. Those circles, can they be in the same Ten? Those different circles like the elderly, the women, the youth, different degrees. I'm not talking about new ones, of course. Or do those circles in the Ten need to be bound in other kinds of Tens? Because like the friends said, on one hand, if there are a few other friends, just a good nucleus that is, and a few that don't quite observe it as much, then they probably never will. Because we're talking about millions. We're not talking about the Rabash article of 30 people. So, that's one thing. And the other thing, if they'll be united in…is it like all weak with a weak desire. Then there's a chance that they won't be able to do it. You always teach us that we have to look at the… through the connection. What will cause more connection? If I'm weak, then look at the strong ones from the Ten that I'm in? Or maybe as an an adjunct to it? Or do I look at them from the side, seemingly? Where there's strong Tens, and I'm in a weak Ten, but that's how I am. What will cause more connection? It's really a dramatic state here. It's not clear. You taught us not to break up Tens. We were very cautious for years. Because if we follow the measure of truth, just like this; then of course, here we need to do reordering things. The question is, what will that cause? How do you feel? Maybe we've reached a state where it is worthwhile to do it? Maybe not. How to decide such a thing? 

M. Laitman: Let time do its thing. 

Student: We  for seven years letting this time do its thing. So, now the time has come to a state of like either to do, or do it in another seven years and wait. Or? 

M. Laitman: Decide.

Student: How can you decide? 

M. Laitman: How do you want me to decide? 

Student: You're Rav, you see it from above. 

M. Laitman: Not much higher than you. 

Student: I'm sure that if we ask here, we'll see half of it exists, and half like that, I'm sure. We did this already. We know it's half-half. On one hand, if it really bothers that there are friends in a Ten that are not observing it and it harms the advancement of the other friends….

M. Laitman: You shouldn’t leave it like this. 

Student: So yes, we were probably in such a state that it was tolerable. But that probably now if we're advancing towards Lishma, that it's not possible. That's on one hand, and on the other hand, what will be with all the rest that won't be able to hold on to this? There's no decree on the public to be able to withstand this. There are several principles here that are in clash, they're not working out.

M. Laitman: Yes, it does not quite work out, and what would you recommend to do, the holy society? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:08:23) We in our Ten decided to do an exercise that you recommended, to pray for every friend every day. God willing, we've completed the first circle. I just got to be on duty and to remind everyone who we are praying for this month and I feel, I'm a little ashamed that we've been rewarded with something. We had several questions. And I wanted to ask you… every friend in his turn will raise a true deficiency, as much as possible, of what he's asking of the friends that day that are praying for him. And during the meeting on Zoom, give him the time to talk and ask, demand from the friends what he needs. 

M. Laitman: During the gathering, yes. 

Student: And how to take the exercise one more step forward?

M. Laitman: It will get there like that. Even if you don't highlight him artificially like that. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:10:00) At some point, we will have to come to a certain meeting together, common, with you or without you. I would prefer for you to somehow lead us, and guide us as long as we can err and fall without you. It's like the friend asked, how will we decide? There are those who feel this way, and those who feel that way. So, if we, in some social meeting of ours in the society, decide one thing, how should I know who to follow? This friend says correctly, that friend says correctly and this friend says correctly - they're all so correct, and each has his excuses for his rationales. I follow you, because that's how each comes to you. But how are we capable to make such a decision? Who has the right to express an opinion, and who should I follow? Every one of them said right. The devil says right and Moses says right. Moses had an army, there were the ones who want to battle, and the ones who were in supporting role. All these opposites. And maybe we should just divide them - a third, a third and a third. Whoever wants should be in a strong Ten, whoever wants mixed can be in a mixed. Also strong, and also like those who are supporting the battle, and there's those that are in the general public that are there. But for each opinion has its own weight. Who should I follow? How can I choose correctly? Who's capable of making such a decision if you're not with us? 

M. Laitman: If I will not be here, you will nevertheless receive guidance. 

Student: But time is going by. You said that time will take care of things. And if I want to leave the time and not have time leave me, is there any room for this? Should each jump here and say, oh, this is how I think? How to decide? 

M. Laitman: This should not happen. This should not happen.

Student: So, there needs to be someone who withstands all the criteria: a veteran with families, comes every week, every day, physically participates in everything. Let them decide. They have… but also between them there's disputes. How in the general society, even amongst 30 people, how will we come to this common decision that this is how we have to divide? And it has to be a spiritual decision after all. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: With Rabash, Rabash decided. With us here, you decided thus far.

M. Laitman: We need to think. We need to think. The problem is that outside of me, there's no one here, or several, who will be on the same level.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:13:35) When you make a decision, let's say, if the society came, and sit, and decided. Does the whole society need to decide on that? 

M. Laitman: No, no such thing. 

Student: Meaning, if half feel this way and half that way; half might be disappointed. But it will have to take on the decision that everyone made. Another question… we'll talk about the Petah Tikva, that's right, it's easy for us, because we're talking from such a feeling right now. This current state of today of our society, is it holding us back? Or is it something we can delay? It's working this way, why do we even need to move? 

M. Laitman: We need to develop. Not that we are standing still or retreating, but it's not satisfactory. The pace of our advancement is not good. 

Student: What's not good? What's detaining us and preventing us from advancing? 

M. Laitman: Lack of connection between us. It should be clear that we're all present here around something and toward the Creator, that's the first thing. And the second thing is that there's no willingness for each and every one to subjugate himself relative to the center of the group. 

Student: This is our goal. These are our values. 

M. Laitman: So, it's good that we're doing that.

Student: To what extent is the guarding? I keep going back to that point; it doesn't matter by which division, whether it's in the Ten or in the group. To what extent does maintaining the general, the outside, external rules detains us from achieving Lishma? Or, is it something internal that's totally unrelated? I mean, if we all kept it, would we take a step forward? 

M. Laitman: What?

Student: Just maintaining a framework that Kabbalists have determined. 

M. Laitman: Which? 

Student: Physical participation on a daily basis in a morning lesson, paying Maaser.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Participation in duties, in dissemination, et cetera. There are several centers and some around them. 

M. Laitman: Yes, obviously it's good if we would keep all of that.

Student: And if we don't, does it detain us? 

M. Laitman: If you're not doing it, obviously it's detaining you. No question. 

Student: Why? If we are, if we work toward connection between us, toward the goal, toward the Creator, make every effort, why does it detain us then? 

M. Laitman: If it's towards the connection, towards the goal, all of us together; so it doesn't detain, so it's good. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:17:25) The goal is unclear to me. Is the goal quality or is the goal quantity, or some sort of a mixture? 

M. Laitman: The goal of quality is that you have a center, that in it, there's one person. And he, whether upside or downside, or left or right, he manages everything with a strong hand. It's very strict. Or, the contrary, you have a million people, and each one has his own opinion. But we're all pluralists, meaning we accept this; that it's good. So, when you enter such a pluralistic society, it seems to you that it's great; each one respects the other, each one also helps the other. But they stand in place, they don't advance. That's why we have to see. As much as such a society that is drawn through one force, and as much as general force will pull them ahead these are things that are known on the street. 

Student: It's familiar from school that you have stronger students and weaker students. And you need to teach everyone, or you need to make everyone professors; these are different goals. So, do we need to make a place, where everyone has room, where those who are excellent can be there, and also the general people? Or, because each one here has a different goal, and I really want to relate to what the friend said. I feel I want one force, one direction, to be attached to you, and that you will lead us. But if we need to make room for many circles among us, within the Ten, in the general society, that's a different story. We have to think. How do we explain? How are we welcoming people from the outside? It's unclear to me what the goal is. Do I have to immerse myself in striving as deeply as possible toward quality and even if many fall along the way, that's the price or do I need to keep all kinds of people dragging along? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: I can accept both possibilities, but it's not clear to me whether it's like this or like that. Also, what does the Creator want? Is it mixed that we have to accept? 

M. Laitman: What is that formula that can also change at every step? These are things that we know. It's a known question, what to do? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:21:45) Example, of ten people who come and four who are being dragged, which is a good situation. There are Tens here, where three come and ten don't. A person in such a Ten, where three come every day and ten don't come; and he does. Is he a problem or not? 

M. Laitman: Yes, he's  a problem. They're all there in a problem. 

Student: So, what should such a person do? Because the instruction is not to change Tens. It's not a good idea, so, what do you do with such Tens? It's not clear. 

M. Laitman: I also don't know.

Question (Woman Petah Tikva 38) (01:22:44) If there are strong Tens in the society that were always there, how does it help the whole society advance toward the goal? 

M. Laitman: The society advances according to the advancement of those strong Tens. 

Student: I see that my appreciation declines toward friends who say they want to come every day, but in practice, they come half the time. Over time, my inner connection and concern for them decreases. What do I do with it? 

M. Laitman: There's nothing you can do. It'll drag them backwards.

Question (Woman Petah Tikva 6): (01:23:32) Among women's Tens, can you also check who is doing harm and who is not, according to the externality? Because women don't have to do commandments that are mandatory according to time. Is a test only internal. 

M. Laitman: You can only check internally. And again, who knows how to do that check? 

Question (Beer Sheva): (01:24:05) I'd like to get back to the article, with your permission. One sentence.

M. Laitman: One sentence.

Student: The article begins with, “Love our friend as yourself”. Rabbi Akiva said: “It's a great rule in the Torah”. He says the Creator is there. All our thoughts should be how to reach things through the Creator, everything we try to do. With our intellect in our present place, with all due respect to the friends, we won't be able to attain it. I'm trying to love the friends, all of them, I don't care what Ten they're in. But that means that that should be the rule. Within the Creator, I will be able to do it. Until then, I can try. From potential to actual, is this the solution? 

M. Laitman: It's not the solution, but it's on the way.

Question (Kyiv 1): (01:25:16) When we began to learn there was a concept of internal group, inner group, and framework. And if you didn't come each day and didn't pay Maaser, you couldn't be a part of this society. You could be in a more external circle, and that gave a lot of importance, and power, and a feeling of belonging to something very serious. Why not create such Tens that can take upon themselves, in their desire, to take on the framework and hold on to it. Those who aren't ready, they're not ready. Maybe afterwards they'll come. After some time, they'll come to it. 

M. Laitman: Okay, I heard your advice.

Question (Almaty): (01:26:15) There are Tens that are strong, they do everything according to the rules, they maintain all the frameworks. But there's a concept of a group as well. So, they do all the things within the Ten, but they don't do things pertaining to the group, such as meals of the whole group, etc. How to relate to such a situation? 

M. Laitman: I can't say. Whoever lives there is in such Tens, they have to decide as much as they are right or not, because their future depends on it. 

Question (Hadera 1): (01:27:10) It sounds to me, as though if I cannot contain the Ten that the Creator gave me, then I'll arrange the Ten in a way that I can contain it. And it keeps repeating. All the same points keep coming up. And I see it within the will to receive. And I think that the Creator gave us a Ten, we have to work with it. Those who come to the lesson each day should contain, tolerate those who come every day. Those who don't come every day, and those who don't come every day, should contain those who come every day. 

M. Laitman: You're right. 

Question (Haifa 1): (01:27:59) I'll give you myself as an example. I used to come twice a week, and I felt, it was wrong. And I asked a friend, he said, yes, you're drilling a hole in the boat. Another friend told me, after two months of sitting at home, how many times a week can you commit to? I said two days a week, because that's what I can do. But these two days grew, and today it's seven days a week. So, things change. The answer to the questions we ask now, is to adhere to His qualities. As He is merciful, so you are merciful. There's no absolute answer to these questions. We mustn't forget the Creator. The Creator manages everything, even if it seems to us like we are managing it. 

M. Laitman: Thank you.

Question (Woman Latin 1): (01:29:18) Why do we need to worry what the friends are doing, and not cover with love? And if I… shouldn't I actually justify the friend and judge everything to the side of merit?

M. Laitman: Again? 

Student: Why should I worry what my friend is doing? Isn't it better to cover everything with love? And I should judge or sentence everything to the side of merit? 

M. Laitman: Okay, we'll check that later on, with all the other questions. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:30:13) We talk about Tens that have a certain status. In terms of the rules we determine, we have determined for many years. Now, I want to ask, I have a very diverse Ten in terms of status. Some people are on Zoom, some people come here, some are like guests, come every so often. But all of it together creates states, discernments. I wanted to ask, should we take it into account? 

M. Laitman: You have to take into account the Ten that you're in. And to see as much as the rules that you are conducting yourself in, as much as they're suitable to the rules of the Ten. 

Student: Because the goal of the Ten... 

M. Laitman: That has to be the goal of the Ten to you.

Student: And our rules of bringing contentment to the Creator... 

M. Laitman: That's around. 

Student: It's still too blurry for us, right? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:31:32) What I understood now from what you said is, that those circles that we search for in society exist within the Ten. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And everyone knows what the rules of the society are, what the rules of the Ten are, and what's required of them.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: It turns out, that if I understand correctly, I have a different relation to each friend in the Ten according to the rules he keeps. If I have a friend in the Ten who observes all the rules of society, so my relation to him is that I should get more of an example from him.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And if I have friends in the Ten who don't follow these rules, I should take into account that they're still not following the rules. And I shouldn't be dragged after their observance, but rather follow those who do observe them. 

M. Laitman: Yes, correct, very simple. 

Question (ITA 3): (01:32:46) We disseminate, and new people come into the group. In the Tens, the hatred is put on the love, and the love doesn't cover the hatred. So, people separate from us. If we behave this way in the Tens, what example can we give? 

M. Laitman: Well, can someone repeat his question? 

Student: He says, they're doing dissemination, and new people come into the Tens. And what happens in the Tens is that there are people who add hate over the hate that's revealed in the work, and don't cover it with love—the hatred that's revealed in the Tens. As a result, Tens often separate. He's asking, if this is how we behave, what kind of example can we give to each other? 

M. Laitman: What do you think? 

Student: I think the present state is classical, it's ideal, excellent, except the law of mutual responsibility is very tough, there are no allowances here. If one person drills a hole in the boat, the boat drowns. So, you can keep going and say, okay, we'll get there at some point, I don't know, maybe time will tell, our ripeness, as a group, will bring it. 

M. Laitman: Do the laws of nature let us rest for now? 

Student: To rest? No, of course not. There's never rest.

M. Laitman: So?

Student: First of all, any change is a risk. With a risk, you could lose friends. You could break people. It's a risk, it's frightening. No one is certain, no one is an anchor. But on the hand, without change, we don't advance, it's also part of nature. I'm just talking about one thing, if there is no law of mutual responsibility, that says if one doesn't do it, it harms everyone, then we could stay as we are, great. There's a Ten, a person comes every so often not even when there's a meal. He barely comes to the meals, to lessons. And next to him, there's a person who comes to every event. Great, we accept everyone. But the question is, is it precise, accurate for the goal right now or not? 

M. Laitman: You're right. We'll try to understand soon.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:36:03) We learned from Rabash. We read the article, when Rav asked him to write an article for the Yeshivat Haverim, for the Assembly of friends. ‘We have gathered here to build a society that follows Baal HaSulam’. We all learned it. I'm asking about Rav and Rabash. Did Rav, who is for us the only existing spiritual example, none of us met Rabash or Baal HaSulam, we met Rav. Would Rav come to where he came, achieve what he achieved in the spiritual world if he didn't come to the lessons every day? 

M. Laitman: No.

Student: Another question. Would Rav achieve what he achieved in the spiritual world, if he didn't pay Maaser regularly in Rabash's group? 

M. Laitman: Also, no.

Student: We can go on this way. Everyone knows the conditions, and the results are also known. We have one living example. Thank God, we have such an example of a person who achieved spirituality. We all read books. But the example is very obvious, it's evident. Now, for people for whom it is clear, not people who have doubts, the answer to these questions is clear. What are they supposed to do in such a reality, where they understand that that's the only way to advance in the spirituality? And now we also hear that the calculation is not a calculation for the individual, but for the Ten. So, it's not clear to me, what question are we asking? Because the answer is pretty obvious. Rav has taught us over the years, Rabash taught us over the years, etc. Is this correct, or am I misunderstanding the process? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:39:28) I understand the law of Arvut. 

M. Laitman: This is what you need.

Student: That's what I want to ask, but it seems like it's something burning right now. 

M. Laitman: Well, let's do a scrutiny together. The law of Arvut, what does it say? That as much as many people will be involved in reaching a point from which it is certain, that they will discover the Creator, or the Creator will be revealed to them, so this is called that they have succeeded. So, we need to take only this into account, and nothing else. And to do it in the biggest, clearest way, and as burning as possible. Yes, so if that is the case, what do we need to do from now and onward? 

Reader: Let's ask the Tens in the world Kli. I think it's a question we should scrutinize. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: The Arvut is a spiritual force.

M. Laitman: Well…

Student: We have to organize society according to one willing to be in Arvut, or isn't willing to be in Arvut.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Because, otherwise, this society won't have a spiritual force. Whoever wants to be in Arvut has to sit together in one Ten and determine the conditions for Arvut. I'm not speaking about strong or weak. They're willing to keep Arvut and not willing to keep Arvut. 

M. Laitman: Okay. That's a clear opinion. 

Student: I agree, because all these scrutinies build different states of forces. Each one thinks, I deserve to reach Lishma. Like you said, it's a matter of connection. We're learning to annul. But what is spiritual quality? For what goal? What do you want it for? How can you even speak about this? I'm sitting for an hour and a half listening. We learn to annul. We learn to build a relation. We read in this article, you buy a slave, and you have to annul before him, too. The law of bestowal. The strongest judgments are in this place, where you're bestowing. I’m trying to feel a result from it, a reward from it. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, what goal do we have? You said connection. Where is the connection? 

M. Laitman: We will find a connection at the center between us.

Student: I also wanted to ask, what is equality between friends? What is a spiritual equality? Because here each one thinks, ‘we're a strong Ten’, ‘we're not’. What is equality? How to build that equality? Also in the Ten, one comes more, one less; each one thinks that he's giving an example. But to be an example is to bring spirits, but along with this to reach equality, that there'll really be a connection. That's what I wanted to ask. What is spiritual equality? 

M. Laitman: Okay.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:44:25) The law of Arvut, not to think about myself, but to think of a friend. And in our times, we are serving the friend's deficiency for spirituality. And everything around us just gives us pride. I'll come to the lesson, I'll do something in dissemination. The relations between us, that's a state we have to reach. And how to reach it, that's a question. We just need to change the relations between us. Whatever has to do with conditions, it has to be like, I don't know, not even to talk about it. A lesson, dissemination, society, not to talk about it. You came to the lesson and you're doing something to the lesson. After 20 years, we're still talking about these things. This has to be studied. You have to be in a lesson, if you have this goal. We need to concentrate on the relations to one another.