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Part 1 Rabash. Record 72. Concealed and Revealed in His Providence

Rabash. Record 72. Concealed and Revealed in His Providence

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The transcript has been transcribed and edited from English simultaneous interpretation, thus there may be potential semantic inaccuracies within it.

Daily Lesson (Afternoon) July 16, 2024

Part 1 Rabash. Record 72. Concealed and Revealed in His Providence

Reader: Hello, we're studying from the writings of Rabash, Article 72, Concealed and Revealed in His Providence. You can find the article on our website, Sviva Tova, and in the Arvut system, Concealed and Revealed in His Providence.

M. Laitman: That in the providence of the Creator towards us from His side, there is both concealment and revelation, and how we need to choose between them, and of course we prefer the revealed. So, how do we reach that? We can talk about that and we’ll see.

Reading Article: (01:02) Concealed and Revealed in His Providence 

For the world in general, His Providence is concealed from the public. That is, the world does not believe that there is guidance over the world and thinks that everything is happening without any leader.

Therefore, the Creator leads the world with revealed reward and punishment. This means that the creatures must keep the Creator’s laws, which are called “nature,” or they are punished on the spot. This is called “revealed reward and punishment.”

For example, the Creator created the creatures as a fusion of four elements: air, wind, water, and earth, and all have to be blended in.

If a person breaks nature’s laws and adds, for example, more heat than the Creator determined, such as by entering a very hot place, the person is punished for breaking nature’s laws and he pays with his life because he dies from excessive heat. Or to the contrary, if a person goes into a place that is colder than what nature determined, his punishment is to pay with his life and he freezes to death. Thus, the reward and punishment are revealed.

He, however, is still concealed and they do not say that there is a leader. Rather, they say that nature is not the Creator but rather a force without leadership.

For this reason, it follows that in the corporeal world, He Himself is concealed, and the reward and punishment are revealed in this world on the spot without any compassion, and anyone who breaks nature’s laws suffers the punishment right away. Likewise, the reward: When he observes nature’s laws, he immediately receives.

M. Laitman: Yes, this is Rabash's short article, Concealment and Revelation in His Providence. This is how it is in our world, and this is how we know ourselves and our life. But there is beyond that also concealment and revelation towards the Creator. To the extent that we will reveal Him more, it will be as a reward, and to the extent that we feel that He is concealing Himself from us, it will be the punishment. That’s what we study in the wisdom of Kabbalah, because the average people do not feel that they are in concealment or revelation from this side or the other, and what narrow boundaries they have. Those who study the wisdom of Kabbalah very slowly discover through their connection with the Ten, with the books, that apparently, we are in a concealment from the Creator. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (05:31) I heard now that through the study of Kabbalah and realizing what it teaches, in the future we are destined to probably reveal that we’re in concealment of the Creator. Is that a revelation? 

M. Laitman: No, we’re only studying, we do not reveal. We study that all our lives are in a territory where the Creator is not revealed, and by studying, by connecting between us that each one wants to reveal the Creator, as it is written, the whole land is full of His glory. The land is called desire. So, when we want to discover or reveal Him in everything that’s possible, then He is slowly revealed, and we are beginning to feel Him. And then from a hidden Creator, as we usually call Him, He becomes towards us, revealed. 

Question (Asia): (06:59) Is it possible for somebody at a high level, like say Atzilut, or Adam Kadmon, to do evil to another? 

M. Laitman: No, it's impossible. A person who is in spirituality is unable to do bad to others because he feels that he is doing by that a very great harm to the upper nature, meaning to the Creator and also to himself.

Student: Maybe it's a bit childish, but I always wondered, who is taking care of Adam HaRishon? You know, he needs an environment. Who took care of the first child? 

M. Laitman: The Creator. The Creator is the one who is taking care of each and every one, whoever is born in a forest or in a hospital, whoever is the first or the last. It all comes from the Creator. 

Student: Because we need someone to take care of us in the beginning of the path. We cannot do it ourselves, as it's written of a wild ass’s colt, man is born. 

M. Laitman: Yes, yes. 

Question (Turkiye 2): (08:57) I wanted to ask about the four elements that shape the universe. How can I get involved in the Creator's system of energy and frequency and vibrations? 

M. Laitman: Gradually we advance towards spirituality and our desire that we want to reveal spirituality. Then we begin to feel those forces that are acting upon us, either from inside us or through us, or from outside, from all sorts of sides. We begin to be more sensitive to these forces. Thus, they come from a state of concealment to a state of revelation. And that's it, this is how we study and feel.

Question (Women MAK 19): (10:27) How do we need to work with these forces internally so as not to go against the spiritual law? 

M. Laitman: We need to wait until these forces will be revealed, and when they will be  revealed, we will use them just to come closer to everyone. 

Student: Is it somehow connected with our work in the right and the left lines? 

M. Laitman: Yes, there you have right line, left line, coming closer, moving further away, ascending, descending. This we will study in the future.

Question (MAK 39): (11:37) If a close person has this action, but he goes against nature, I need to help him now. So, then I wouldn't carry this out? I just need to pray together with that person, or I can somehow carefully approach this, if there was a certain violation of the law there?

M. Laitman: You can correct these disturbances that you think that you need to correct, and slowly come closer to the Creator. 

Question (PT 22): (12:32) Why specifically a person who is chosen by the Creator is not protected from nature, like the animate level, which needs to serve him? A few days ago, we heard that a child, who found a mushroom in the forest ate it and nearly died. On the other hand, a small animal, after it comes out to the air of the world, it already knows what to eat and what's good to eat, and what's not good to eat. My question is, is it correct that this is how it's done, that a person always needs to be in danger and not know what action he needs to do in order to guard himself? 

M. Laitman: Yes. The person doesn't know, because these things he acquires afterwards through wisdom, science, or connecting to others. However, the animals don't have this. They know all these things, and they are born knowing not to even come closer to these things that can harm them. 

Question (PT 35): (14:09) In the Ten lately, we're increasing, we're doing more and more workshops between us, with the materials we learned in the morning lesson. I personally feel lately that I'm opening my heart more and more, and I try to enter in it what every friend is saying inside of myself. I feel I'm receiving this full picture of the Creator, and I feel that the Creator is truly speaking beyond every friend, and He's giving me the current state,  and what do I need to ask for and to complete. What's special about the workshops? Until today, I didn't really quite understand the workshops and what's special in them. But what is special in those scrutinies that we're doing between us, in which we're receiving this full picture from the Creator anew every day? 

M. Laitman: Yes, specifically, from workshops we advance. As it is written, I've learned a lot from my teachers and from my friends, and even more from my students. Meaning from workshops when we talk between us, the person advances himself in spirituality in the most correct manner.

Student: Can we say that when we're making these scrutinies between us, does that mean that the Creator hears us? 

M. Laitman: Of course. 

Question (Kyiv): (15:50) On the one hand, we see that the Creator shows open providence through this force of nature, like Rabash writes here. Why does He hide Himself if there is this revealed reward and punishment of nature, but His reward and punishment    for some reason behind that is concealed? 

M. Laitman: That you need to ask the Creator. You'll need to reveal Him and ask Him what to do. 

Student: In the Ten let's say, what does it mean that we're starting to reveal the open providence of the Creator in our unity? Let's see if this question is more to the point. 

M. Laitman: If you connect between yourselves in a correct manner, then you feel how the Creator acts between you and changes you, the closer, the further away from the circle, and so forth. In such a way, you reveal, you attain the Creator and understand from Him how to relate to the world. 

Question (Women Spa): (17:26) In the work in the Ten can we reveal the true manner? 

M. Laitman: Yes, specifically, these things are very quickly being corrected and changed. 

Question (Women MAK 104): (17:54) I really don't want to receive punishment. What are the main corrections that I need to make in order not to suffer? 

M. Laitman: To relate in a good manner to all your surroundings, and to pray to the Creator that you want to be closer to Him. 

Question (Women MAK 51): (18:27) If a person dies quickly, does it mean he violated a law? 

M. Laitman: No, not necessarily. We cannot relate in such a manner to anyone.

Question (MAK 24): (18:54) Is it one of the spiritual goals to accept all the Creator's actions as a reward? 

M. Laitman: In general, yes. The Creator does only good, and the fact that it looks to us not so good, it's like children. When they are being punished, they think that they shouldn't be doing it, and we're the same. 

Student: Can we say that the reward and punishment is a result of our intention, whether it's there or not, from the depth of it? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Can we say that there is this reward? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (MAK 39): (20:20) Can we say that the concealment was made up by the Creator in order to guard creation? And since the creation cannot just feel His wholeness, all the upper means right away, so in a way the concealment is also made out of the Creator's love? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Women MAK 36): (20:55) These forces that the article writes about, they reveal to the extent of the revelation of evil in a person. And when the evil is revealed in a person, and the feeling, not just that of reward and punishment, but also from the side of the benevolent providence, for a person, it's a new state. How can he open up his heart and trust that new sensation, because there it's not so painful, but it's as if you're being offered to dissolve yourself, and you're really afraid of it.

M. Laitman: This will gradually pass away, pass on. You can continue the way you are. 

Question (Women Heb 2): (21:55) In the general world, His providence is concealed, but a lot of people share some experiences where they felt godliness. It could be that these are purposely false, a person is searching for godliness. That's why all these things come to him?

M. Laitman: No, we are prohibited from talking about this. 

Student: So it exists? 

M. Laitman: What exists? 

Student: There are people that exist that maybe felt something, that it's not all lies? 

M. Laitman: Tell them to shut up.

Student: There's sorrow in life, and a person is more open to search for godliness. It as if  activates the search. So, I heard that people are now searching for religion, for the Creator,  so maybe we'll bring them the Creator because they're searching for that godliness? 

M. Laitman: Possibly. 

Question (Women MAK): (23:15) Out of this excerpt, it turns out that it's clearly seen that the Creator is this law in this system, and because He's concealed, we can discover why He's concealed, and we need to independently go through all these states of His revelation. And then when we bump into a wall or go in a different direction, we reveal something negative. We get burned, and we understand, ‘Oh, okay, so we can't do that.’ So, it's not like a punishment, but it's like a point in which we understand what not to do, and we should go in a different direction. Am I understanding correctly? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: If we were to look at the desires of normal people, it seems as if they're balanced with the laws of nature, and they get a reward of the material world. Doesn't it go against the upper laws?

M. Laitman: When it's needed, He will shake them. 

Student: What is the role of this part of nature? 

M. Laitman: They're awaiting their turn. 

Student: On the level of desires, do we also need to be balanced? Meaning to be in harmony with this general direction, or the desires of a Kabbalist are balanced only through studying Kabbalah? 

M. Laitman: Only from studying the wisdom of Kabbalah.

Student: We need to be equal to the Creator through the intention. I can't quite understand the essence of the intention. Why through it do we reach equality? Sometimes these external actions in unity cannot correspond to the true intention to bestow, but does it mean that these actions are false? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So, I'm asking about the intention. 

Question (Women Spain): (25:47) Does self-punishment exist, or do we need to ascribe everything to the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Ascribe everything to the Creator.

Question (Women MAK 69): (26:11) If a friend in the Ten has a very hard life situation  such that she can't unite, and you said that the worst punishment of the Creator is if you give such conditions that distance us from the Ten. The ten is praying, but the situation is just prolonged, and truly the conditions from all sides are difficult. What else can we do for a friend besides the prayer? We're praying every day, but how can we strengthen it because it's quite prolonged? 

M. Laitman: There's nothing you can do besides prayer. 

Question (Women Ukraine 2): (27:00) A close person passed from me, and I felt as if I could have spent more time there, or maybe I didn't finish doing something there. I understand that this is the Creator's providence, and He did this. How do we work with this, because sometimes it's as if disconnects me from the connection. 

M. Laitman: Don't work with it, that's not your business. Work on the connection with the friends. 

Question (Women Rus 10): (27:39) Can we say that if we don't come out of our desire to receive for ourselves we will see that in every moment of time the Creator is filling up the world with love, and we simply don't notice it, and in this way He balances our world?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Everything depends on our correction, to what extent we want to bring love into this world?  

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Women MAK 26): (28:19) Can we ascribe to the Creator that seemingly 100% of something if the Creator is concealed in that place from us, or do we need to first reveal Him? 

M. Laitman: No, you can relate to the Creator everything that's happening to you.

Student: Even if He's concealed? 

M. Laitman: What difference does it make? What's the difference? 

Student: We could see it in our intellect or not. 

M. Laitman: So, what? It's not necessary that we see or don't see. 

Student: It's as if from the heart, but not fully.

M. Laitman: This already depends on you. It depends on you to what extent you invest in what you raise to the Creator. 

Student: It's based on our intention. Does it change things, how the Creator acts? 

M. Laitman: No, but the perception of the Creator depends on our reason. 

Question (Hadera 1): (29:43) The quality that everything is created for me, is it in the light or in the creation? 

M. Laitman: In creation. 

Question (MAK 39): (30:11) The concealment, is it only on the desires that are not for her sake?

M. Laitman: Concealment can be over any desire, even the greatest ones. 

Student: Meaning, the system itself doesn't work according to our reason and mind, it should be according to the Creator.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Women MAK 25): (30:41) How to work correctly with impressions that the Creator gives sometimes, that it will be clearer for us, as if some sort of a thing is opening in front of us, but then we see it's only a certain stage?

M. Laitman: So, what? You need to work from what you're receiving. 

Student: It's this impression though, that everything is clear, and we call it... How to work with it correctly? 

M. Laitman: How to work correctly in that point? Work out of what's being revealed. 

Student: Meaning, we need to trust this state or to restrict it? 

M. Laitman: No, never doubt it, but receive it fully from the Creator.

Question (Women Moscow 8): (31:50) Can we say that through our group, through us, the Creator wants to bring to harmony and balance everything? 

M. Laitman: We can say so, yes. 

Question (Women MAK 104): (32:13) It's clear that everything is from the Creator, but here they talk about colder and hotter, it depends on the person to what extent. How to be in the correct measure, not to take more or less, what is it in the spiritual work? 

M. Laitman: Soon you'll find out, not yet. 

Question (Women Spain): (32:49) In order to enter the new spiritual level, do we need to in essence come out of this world like a birth, and if so, how to go through it in the most natural way? 

M. Laitman: We're learning this throughout time, and you'll understand what's needed.

Question (Women MAK 36): (33:33) When I have a problem, a dead end for a long time, I turn to the Ten, and I see the wisdom of the Ten, and what is born from this connection is that I don't want to receive it. So, how to receive it in a correct manner? 

M. Laitman: The reason is in your connection with the Ten. You trust the Ten, that needs to be corrected. 

Student: Yes, regarding the trust, I'm sure I don't have any desire to give trust. I'm constantly looking for ways to find the trust, and I'm unable. 

M. Laitman: With closed eyes, go into the Ten with closed eyes, to entrust yourself to the Creator.

Student: We had a meeting and the Ten simply gave me an answer. I agree with that answer, but I cannot uphold it. Do I need to close my eyes and uphold it anyway? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question: (Women Heb 2): (34:58) By feeling and relating everything to the Creator from a place of feeling that everything is from Him, is that not a revelation? 

M. Laitman: No, that's not a revelation, but continue. 

Question (Women Brazil): (35:42): What do you mean when you say that the perception of the Creator depends on us? 

M. Laitman: To what extent that we’ll advance in the connection between us, and that we will also be close to the Creator. 

Question (Women MAK 19): (36:20) Our common vessel is cleansed through us coming closer to our common intention, the hidden intention? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Women MAK 26): (36:54) In the corporeal world, the Creator is hidden, and in the spiritual world, we reveal Him without any mercy. In this world, do we need to look for Hassadim, or do we need to look for a reason? 

M. Laitman: We don't need to look for any reason, just ask. 

Question (Women Ukraine 2): (37:25) When a person is given a feeling of spirituality  and then it's been taken away from him, does he need to come back to this feeling, that it will give him strength, or the person needs to do scrutinies in the new degree? 

M. Laitman: In the new degree to move forward. 

Question (Women MAK 56): (37:56) There's a desire to open to the Creator, to immerse in Him, to disappear in Him, but there's no strength to make the push and fly away.

Where should I take the strength from? 

M. Laitman: In the prayer. 

Student: That the Creator will give. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Women MAK 56): (38:18) I heard the friends, and there's a feeling that not the Creator is concealed from us, and the system is completely opened, but there's a feeling that we are hiding ourselves from ourselves.

M. Laitman: What is the difference? The main thing is to move forward and to reveal the Creator for yourself. 

Student: I heard in a friend's question about trust, how much it's important to see the Ten as myself, and in it to discover myself and the Creator, what He wants to give. 

M. Laitman: Yes, correct.

Question (Women Latin 13): (39:28) The more we work in the Ten, and in the relationship, does it come to action in the real life, or is it only in spirituality? 

M. Laitman: It's enough for it to be in spirituality.

Question (Women Spa): (40:00) How can we rebuild the trust, the connection in the Ten on this path?

M. Laitman: Speak between you in the Ten, and then try all ten to connect more, and for everyone to feel one's friend. 

Question (KabU 10): (40:32) When working in the Ten, and we feel the right line and the left line, the absence and the filling, the lack and the light, we interpret them as good feelings and bad feelings. Is it right to say that we shouldn't dwell in these for very long, because the joy is egotistical, and the sorrow is also egotistical, and just to press on and don't dwell on things too long? 

M. Laitman: Yes, correct, you're right.

Student: And a second point, how bringing together our little sparks, the yearning, with the epic work that you've all done, I'm incredibly moved. And sometimes when I study, I go out into the world, and it's almost as if I'm stepping into a foreign world. Do you get that? 

M. Laitman: You need to continue, and then it will get clarified more for you.

Question (Turkiye 2): (42:27) How can we keep the Ten strong so that we can come to the revelation of the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Impart the strong Ten all the time to be in connection, and try each time to be connected more and more. This is what it means to guard the strong Ten.

Accordingly, you will reveal new conditions for the connection and a new Creator, and then you become as new. 

Question (Asia): (43:14) Is the concealment allowing us free choice, and how does it connect to private providence? 

M. Laitman: Specifically it’s the concealment that allows us to have private providence, and revelation and concealment they come from above, so that we'll be able to reach this constant final revelation.

Question (MAK 39): (43:55) Let's say the war in Israel or somewhere else, is that this concealment of the love of the Creator so we can open the heart? 

M. Laitman: I don't know, I don't like philosophies. You read our articles and ask out of them, and not just what seems to you this way or that way. 

Question (Women Turkiye 7): (44:33) The Creator does everything in concealment, but we need to keep the faith that He is behind everything that happens. How can I examine these two conditions in a correct manner? 

M. Laitman: Simply to move forward. Closer to the Creator is the middle line, and even more closer to the Creator in the middle line and that's how we come closer. The right and the left, the cries and the crying out, all of these things are included in the middle line.

Question (Women Kavkaz 1): (45:26) I want to scrutinize that there's an answer from reward and punishment and an answer from love. Firstly, I feel that these are scrutinies that are very complex in love, that you can also call them reward and punishment. It turns out that the processes are happening all at once or one after the other? 

M. Laitman: These are all alternative processes.

Student: Can we say that, for example, there is more love? It's like a middle line between reward and punishment? 

M. Laitman: No, it's not the middle line, it's simply the transition from right to left and left to right. 

Question (Women Moscow): (46:34) What to do when the Creator is concealed and there is no strength to do anything? 

M. Laitman: Nonetheless, to ask Him to get revealed. It will take you out of that state. 

Question (Kyiv): (47:12) In our ego, we are in constant disagreement with the Creator. How to agree and thank the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Well, you're not alone in the group, they're all like you, not agreeing with what the Creator is doing to you. In general, a person needs to agree with the Creator regardless of the state he's in, meaning regardless of what the Creator is giving him. I still need to reveal to Him love and connection. Try. 

Question (Women Spain): (48:04) How do we acquire the middle line in the Ten at the right rhythm, right pace? 

M. Laitman: I don't know. It's simply a result of the work of the right and the left, then  gradually we start to reveal the middle line. 

Question (PT 22): (48:37) There are many states, I experienced a few of them. The desire is in the person. If I give a realistic example, the car is in neutral, the motor runs, but there is no direction. It's a state that is very annoying. How can a person overcome that state? 

M. Laitman: He needs to be in connection with others, and then on such a point he will want to come out of that state under any condition. 

Question (Women Kavkaz 1): (49:27) I wanted to make it clearer. What does it mean that these states comes and go? The first state is canceled toward the second state, and I need to stay in the second state with love, and I heard that there’s an even higher state. 

M. Laitman: Love and indifference, these are two states that are opposite. We always need to choose love to the Creator and connection to the Ten, and this way we will advance.

Question (Women Rus 10): (50:14) We heard you say that each time we discover a new Creator. What does it mean, a new Creator? 

M. Laitman: It means that He is truly in our feelings, He is showing us a new form. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (50:40) In the first paragraph it says: “For the world in general, His Providence is concealed from the public. That is, the world does not believe that there is guidance over the world and thinks that everything is happening without any leader.”

What is the division to an attitude that says that there is nature, and it has laws, and the attitude that the Kabbalists are saying that there is a source and that there is a division? What is the division between the two? 

M. Laitman: If I think that everything comes from nature, then I do not have the tools to change that. But if I am saying that above me there is the force of the Creator, which hears, understands, feels, and responds to how I turn to Him, then that’s already something else, and that already gives me the possibility to turn right, left, above, below, in love and in hatred. And in that form, I do form a connection with Him. 

Student: If I depict that there’s a force that is responding to me, is it not as if I am giving it some human attributes? What does it mean that it reacts to me? 

M. Laitman: I pray, turn to the Creator, always with the hope that He will answer me, that He will change His attitude to me.

Student: Why would it change? 

M. Laitman: Because I’m asking. 

Student: He needs my requests? 

M. Laitman: Yes. He loves when He’s asked and demanded from.

Student: This depiction is very human-like. 

M. Laitman: Because we’re talking about people. 

Student: And what truly happens? Isn't the Creator some absolute thing? 

M. Laitman: No, He Himself, we don't touch Him, it is only relative to how much we can bestow to Him, to activate Him even, I could say. That the Creator made of Himself a system which we can influence. 

Student: Is this depiction scientific? Can we relate to it as if it’s scientific? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: It sounds as if it is a depiction which is kind of a... 

M. Laitman: No, no, this is science. We can know exactly who we are returning to and how, with which deficiency, and so forth. If it’s less than a Ten, or a Ten, or more than a Ten, and how the Creator responds to this. It is possible to measure all these things.

Question (Women Eng 1). (54:38) Are we going to get to this point where every interaction, every interaction with the Ten, with the friends, is feeling as though you are actually interacting with the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Yes, of course, and we need to reach that, to the opening of the eyes to the Creator.

Student: In the corporeal world, we are not supposed to act as we do with our Ten, but it begins to feel like when you are dealing with the corporeal world as well, you feel the same level of interaction with the Creator as though... 

M. Laitman: That's okay, that's good. It's written that you should not have a foreign God.

Student: Yes, it's just that I had an argument with someone, and then after the argument, I felt as though I just had a big fight with the Creator. And then I felt like... 

M. Laitman: That's also okay. The main thing is the connection. 

Question (Women MAK 19): (56:54) The understanding of the inability to attain the thought of creation, is that the concealment? 

M. Laitman: Yes, that's the concealment.

Student: How can I constantly be in that state? Can we attain it through the feeling of His love towards us or somewhere else? 

M. Laitman: We can attain everything through love. 

Question (Women MAK 104): (57:43) If you are upset internally and you agree with the Creator, do you need to accept everything? 

M. Laitman: This needs to be examined, it's not necessarily so. 

Question (Women Latin 13): (58:16) Does the revelation of the Creator in the Ten happen when the Ten has joy in it, or after there is some sort of a tension, and then we connect even more? 

M. Laitman: Both this way and that way, it's not important. The main thing is that we reach the connection, a new one and a strong one. 

Question (Hadera 1): (58:47) Would there have been any connection between the forces without any clothing between them? 

M. Laitman: There's no such thing, everything comes through a dressing.

Student: Meaning all the forces have to be clothed in order to be a connection? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Women MAK): (59:14) How can we rise from the reward and punishment in the corporeal world to the degree of the activator and the activatee? 

M. Laitman: That's only if we turn to the Ten. Then I, relative to the Ten, can fulfill the role of the one activating. 

That's it, my dear ones. Ladies and gentlemen, goodbye, be well. I am hugging you, and until tomorrow.

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