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A Talk with Dr. Michael Laitman
A New life
Talks on the New World of Work
Talk #263
November 28, 2013
Oren: Hello and thank you for being with us here in “A New Life,” the series of study discussions with Dr. Michael Laitman. Hello Nitzah Mazoz.
Nitzah: Hello.
Oren: Today we want to learn how to better build our lives. As always, our lives, our systems of relationships, include us, the people around us and the connections between us. This includes relationships by which we feel sad, happy or good We want to learn how to better handle these relationships and each time, we take some specific form of the relationships between us in order to understand how we can truly upgrade it. Something true, not something plastic or like a toy, with the understanding that one is the weaker of the two. But, we want to improve how on how we make the true leap on the system of relationships around us and with the people around us. Be with us now, as there will be a lot to take away from today’s program. Nitzah, what is our focus today?
Nitzah: Today we are in a parenting course relating to the concept of sexuality. How can we educate our children and youth in this essential and important thing? In our previous program you gave us some opening words on this subject and you explained many things. But one of the things that really gave me a certain, very broad understanding, and opened a certain awareness in me was the topic of the crisis in the relationships between us, the crisis between the sexes, between male and female, between men and women. You explained to us that it touches upon all slices of nature, from the levels of the still, vegetative, and animate. You also indicated that we truly cannot reach the middle line because we cannot come to a certain balance. And through those glasses, I tried to look at the current state and really pay attention and noticed that if I looked at this crisis, how it is being expressed, I can see specifically that attitudes towards sexuality are very disregarding. There is no reciprocal respect. There is control and forcefulness. So, there are many means involved in this that make it really easy for me to understand the crisis you are talking about.
Dr. Laitman: Look, we develop through the forms of still, vegetative and live in different tribes in all kinds of places, such as in caves, under trees, etc. This is how we used to live. That is the level of the still. The period of the vegetative is when we started to develop and build some villages, towns, and countries. Let us say it is still the Middle Ages.
Oren: What do you mean the level of the vegetative?
Dr. Laitman: Of people, yes of humans.
Nitzah: As we start to develop, meaning we are doing discernments of the still, vegetative, animate inside our human awareness?
Dr. Laitman: Yes, yes.
Nitzah: Let us go back and talk once again of the still that is within me.
Dr. Laitman: The still level of humanity develops only through nature. However, nature pushes us. Let us say it was up until 5,000 years ago. The time boundaries are not precise and I do not want to enter into that. Up until the Middle Ages, it was roughly the period of the vegetative. It was then that we were trying to develop a little bit more intensively, with more wars, the grabbing of what is yours and you are grabbing what is mine. This is an egotistical desire that is a little bit more developed.
And from the Middle Ages until the 20th century, let us say a period of about 500 years, it was the development in the degree of animate or animal on the human level. It pushed even more intensively. This was the revelation of the discovery of continents and their conquering, and other constructions of humanity that were starting to clothe themselves as the human level,which is existing and controlling earth and nature. Not that nature controls it, but that it controls nature. And, in all these periods of the still, vegetative, and animate of the human level up to the 20th century, let us say the 1920s or 1930s of the 20th century, we developed a form through which the ego is developing. This is how we develop. What is the ego exactly? The desire to receive enjoyment from life. However, this desire awakens in me accordingly and I develop.
Oren: So, we developed like that from the dawn of humanity up until the 1930s in the last century.
Dr. Laitman: Yes. let us say it was from the beginning of the last century. What happened is that we had to start moving to the next stage of development, which is the degree of the speaking in humans. The speaking degree of the level of human is the development. It is the kind of development where one attains the force that develops him. Just as he did not think about it before, one attains the essence of his life and the essence of his development, the reason he develops, and in that, he finds the answer to the reason he is alive.
And then, he starts to develop through self-change, through changes that come from within himself. It is not nature that pushes him, but he pushes himself according to his awareness, his consciousness, where he is developing, if it is worthwhile for him to develop and then he goes in that direction. And this is not driven by nature. Nature stops defining ones’ development.
The fact that we have not started to develop understanding and consciousness as humans in the degree in the speaking has caused all the problems. Earlier, we did not need it and we lived and developed naturally every day, every year, in every place, in every country, and within all sorts of civilizations in which we lived. From within, there were all kinds of drives that led to our development of the desires for sex, family, social relationships, culture, and trade.
Nevertheless, at the beginning of the 20th century, a certain problem awoke in humanity, which was that we did not exactly know where to develop. The Russians thought about communism, others thought of capitalism, and still others were thinking something else, causing a certain problem to awaken that never awakened before. Humanity needed to ask the question, “How we will develop?” Meaning, before that, there was no thought about the need to develop.
Let us say a child grows up. He does not ask himself if he is good or great. He knows that he is great. Until, at age 20, he starts thinking, “Where am I going? What am I doing with myself? How do I take life in my hands?” We were like human beings until age 20, we were developing without asking ourselves these questions. We were growing up, in size, weight, and also in our intellect. Nature was developing us.
All of a sudden in the 20th century, we became like children who reached the age of 20, who was already an adult and needed to start thinking, “What do I do with myself? How do I build my life onwards?” And we do not identify this. Instead, we only identify that we all of a sudden start to be in a world full of different sensations, feelings, emotions, different philosophies, and lots of confusion. Freud starts with this, Einstein starts with that, Baal HaSulam with something else. Everyone is kind of pulling people in different directions, and nothing is clear to humanity.
And then, riots and revolutions start and the Russian nationalists are striving to something else. The socialists and Germans are building something, and all kinds of other things emerge. All of a sudden it becomes clear. Why is it clear? Because for the first time in history, humanity needed to answer this question, “Where are we going?” Humanity was not used to that and there was no away to receive anything from that direction.
It is just as a child who is growing up and is told, “This is how you develop. Now think, are you going to do this, that or the other?” Humanity did not receive that guidance. Why? Because this knowledge of how to develop onwards exists only in the nation of Israel, within the wisdom of Kabbalah of the nation of Israel. And the fact that Kabbalists did not manage to pass on this wisdom to the nation of Israel and the nation of Israel did not manage to pass on this wisdom to all of humanity to be as an example. This caused a state in which the fruit that grew, grew spontaneously, Like fruit on a tree which is ready, ripe, and is already becoming too ripe. It starts rotting, and this rotting state that we see is exactly the crisis that we are seeing and feeling today. And it continues.
What actually should have been the trend of the development of humankind, from the to the level of speaking? That your head should precede all your actions. Meaning, that the body does not defines for you what should do. The body is also called your ego, but your head should decide for you what are you going to do and how you are going to develop.
These things specifically are very much emphasized in sex, whereas earlier, there was no problem and we did not know what sex was. What is more natural than that? Look at the animals and look at human beings. Each and every one would calm his sexual impulse in all kinds of ways and there was nothing special in it. Also, they did not make something out of it that was special, because it was one of the desires that people naturally had in their lives.
Then the time came in which we needed to develop our awareness so that the head would be above the body. Not like in a beast, where the body and the head are at the same height. It is very symbolical. Rather, the head is above, meaning, it reveals who is a person, since a wise person has his eyes in his head and we did not lead a person to the right development in order for him to develop his personality. Instead, the approach and drive are towards love of others and through the love of others, towards the love of all of nature.
Since we did not give this to people, then all these impulses, these actually spiritual impulses that start to grow onwards, were not given the right direction. And they enter into that same corporeal, physical, beastly body and start to poison people, causing all kinds of mutations and undesirable phenomena.
We then see that the relationships between children and parents, between couples, and in sex between all males and females in general, is corrupted, kind of like rotting. It is past a certain stage of ripeness and during the last 100 years, it has become stinking and ready for correction. It is this way because we are not developing the human inside this creature which is called a human being in this world. We simply are late and falling behind.
Therefore, the whole crisis in sex is specially sensed in all the different terms and feelings and it will not stop until we complete human development in the degree of speaking and we move it onwards. This means knowing the reason we exist, who we are, what we are, what is the benefit of being human in this world, what is our purpose, what is the meaning of our lives, what is the goal of our lives and so on. And these are questions that we will truly have to answer and with the solution, the answers, we will also organize and order things in our lives and also between us. This includes the younger ones and everyone, and it will be clear. And it will not just be clear from the new social structure that we will then create, but also from the form of life, observation of life, and from a new perception of reality. This will also depend on the attitude that is in the ladder of values, the measurement of values that we will also organize.
Nitzah: Now that you have organized the whole four stages of human development, you have really made something great for me. Now let us take this specific thing, which is called the sexual impulse, and let’s measure these four degrees of awareness in relation to sex.
Dr. Laitman: The sexual impulse was…
Nitzah: How does it come to expression in the degree of awareness which you call still, still, like in animals, meaning coupling and calculation?
Dr. Laitman: The truth is like in animals in a very simple manner. There are animals that couple once a year. There are animals that have seasons. There are those that are not bound even by seasons, but couple more and more. All kinds of forms exist, and that is how humans were also. Later, he did not have any problem with it and he would truly maintain the laws of nature. At the degree of vegetative, he was also maintaining the laws of nature, but they were a little bit more about matter.
Nitzah: Like what? What is more like the vegetative as far as the sexual impulses?
Dr. Laitman: I would look at it more about the beauty. Man would also take more notice of the beauty in a woman or the woman of the man. That there is some difference. They would not look like animals alone. Because animals look at each other only in the way of benefit to the offspring. It is simple. It is best for him to be the father to my children, so I choose him. Meaning, this is only for mating and the bearing of offspring and maybe supplying food and those kinds of things. Even today, we see that in animals that it is like that.
So that is also how it is in the degree of humans and they would look at that and also from the point of wealth and physical strength of course. This is how they would develop. Later as they developed in the degree of animate, there were other forces, and the previous forces were already not so important, but what was important was his standing in human society.
Nitzah: Yes, it is not important if he is beautiful or anything like that, but if he has a certain standing.
Dr. Laitman: Yes, it could be that he is 30 years older, but he is famous or something like that. Yes, someone triumphant in human society, some member of the royal family or something like that. And there were all kinds of symbols that were developed and it was appreciated first as strength, food, sex, family, and after that, money, respect and knowledge. And, to both men and women it was more important all of the sudden. So though a woman is ugly, but is the daughter of someone important, of something, through her I obtain status, or money, or other things. Status is not always something that you could sell, but money is. Accordingly, sex was also associated with the values of wealth, honor, and knowledge as humankind developed values and social achievements for itself.
And as we came to the degree of speaking in the beginning of the 20th Century, we needed to identify a spiritual partner in humankind a spiritual partner, that together with her, or she together with me, we would develop together. Because all of humanity needs to unite. So first of all, I choose my closest partner, my coupling. I choose her, or she chooses me as the most suitable for spiritual quick development. Spiritual, meaning, that we connect between us and build between us a cell, a society, a corrected society that nature is demanding of us to build and to be built.
We needed accordingly to develop education for older as well as younger people in all degrees. This education is called Integral Education. Integral, meaning, to gather everyone together exactly how they gather as needed from the natural forces that are working and operating within us. We did not do this, and therefore we entered into the crisis. All we needed to define were the new relationships between us, but we were not in those, we did not do it. And then it works out that we are in a rotten state. We ourselves are rotten, and the whole environment, the society, and all relationships are rotten. It is something very offensive smelling. That is how I feel it.
Nitzah:The truth is that it is very easy to identify. I agree with you.
Dr. Laitman: Now, we are talking about sexual education for younger children, youths, and also for the older youth. So accordingly, we do not have sex education, because this should be a natural result from an education for a new paradigm, of new relations and the new attitude of the world, and of the humans towards the world. A human would sense his obligation in the modern era, the current era.
Nitzah: Meaning, if I look correctly and examine through this topic of sex and sexuality, it is a certain mirror that reflects to me the state that we are in as humanity. Meaning, the bad and grave state that we are in, and in relation to this topic, it reflects to us the state that we are in and that we should create a leap of awareness and we are not doing it. So if I understand you correctly, the difficulty is not that we receive some kind of directions or operating instructions.
Dr. Laitman: That is the problem. There are people that are holding within them the method of correction of humans, meaning these instructions, all this pedagogical method and they cannot pass it on to the people. Here, there is a certain maladaptation between those who know how to do it. The method is within them and the people do not want to accept it as yet. And I am talking about people and not humanity, because the people of Israel are those who receive this plan first, and also the acceptance of this plan of correction, the execution, and the implementation. And then to be an example for the rest of the nations. We need to work on this on ourselves first of all.
Nitzah: You spoke of a new paradigm.
Dr. Laitman: Yes.
Nitzah: What is that new paradigm? Let us try…
Dr. Laitman: This is something that is very special, as if previously we did not need to know what forces developed us. Just like that. Let us say with a child, since we always need to take the example from the developing person. I see a child, and all of a sudden he starts to look and ask, “Daddy, what are you doing?” He starts to take a certain example from the father. All of a sudden he starts to hear, to talk, and do something which he would not do earlier. He learns from the whole world, and even if he does not learn from the whole world, certain impulses for something come to him from within. Meaning, we discover that there are forces that come within that operate in him and develop him. And that is how we are, that is how we were, and a child does not ask, “Oh, what are these forces and what is happening to me?” For him it is natural.
The same thing was natural for us, to develop throughout all the years of development, all the thousands of years of development, up until the 20th century. We developed and that is it. There were people that were thinking, “How do we develop? What is the history of humanity? What are the process that we are going through?” You know, different philosophers. Yes, it was like that. But with philosophers or without the philosophers, we would have developed. No one asked the philosophers, “Tell me, how we should we develop today to tomorrow?” Rather, we would just develop and they were as if they were wise to tell us why we develop that way. We did not need any sage, any wise man.
Just like a child. He sees that life develops him. We have come to a state where it is at a stop, since from here onwards, there is no natural development. From here onwards, you need to check the forces that develop you earlier, automatically like that, naturally, instinctively, from within. You yourself need to take this force and develop yourself onwards on your own. You need to cause these forces to be in your hands, to raise positive and negative, reception and bestowal — those two forces. And to develop your head between these two reins as you are going and developing your awareness by these two forces. Meaning, without that you will not develop. Without that, you will stop here on the spot and rot. You will simply be rotten. And this rottenness will just grow and grow until it brings you to such states, such sufferings, and to such problems, that it will obligate you to understand that there must be a new related attitude, a more serious and mature way. And that you cannot, with your old observation that was there years ago, to go that direction. It will not work out now. And it will happen in a way that you will feel that you are not succeeding and that is called a crisis.
But on the other hand, the crisis in nature is the new birth. It depends on how you accept it. Either it is shattering and death, or it is beginning and birth. It depends how you perceive it and this is how it works out. It is simply the new degree of human development. The problem is that we have never been in such a degree in which we would have to first think how to develop and as if we’ve got a thousand directions and everyone makes a decision. Humanity is not used to this. And, therefore, we are continuing, and continuing to develop supposedly like before and we still want, even in economy, we still think, “I am more developed and more successful.”
We do not understand that Earth is already starting to be rotten from our activity. Nature and the environment and all the relations between people, from adults to children and in the family — everything is rotten. This is because we need to identify on our own and decide by ourselves what is the right for me in each and every place. This is in the relationships of humans to humans, and between man and the levels of the still, vegetative, and animate.
In short, we need to build this with our heads. Earlier we developed without a head by natural impulses and now, first of all, we must make our decisions and then control the operation of the forces of nature on our own.
Oren: I want to ask here. You described how throughout history, the sexual impulse developed in people. You said that we were like animals and we would operate according to the sexual impulse in the most, simplest way, truly and completely animalistic. Then at a more developed stage as humanity developed, we started to look at beauty.
Dr. Laitman: This is according to the advancing development. So it is food, sex, and family. Then wealth, control, respect, and knowledge in this process. This all is egotistical development. So accordingly, we also look at sex. What were we demanding? First of all, food. Later, sex had something to do with it, and then family. Then, money. I look not at her, but I look at her father and how many cows he is giving me, this and that, yes? Later, honor, meaning, I do not care how much money is there, but if she does come from a rich family, let us say, a royal family, or someone such as a lord or king, that is more important to me. Period.
We see in Europe, up until 300 or 400 years ago and even today, it is still inches from where I am from, be it a king, or someone else comes from whatever. What is the hierarchy I come from? Well, it is even more important than money. There are people that are willing to lose all their money with that respect, that honor and respect talks already of the fact that the human image in him grows and that is more than money. What is money compared to honor? Honor is the human in me, the egotistical human and all that, but still the human. I am willing to do anything to not harm that human in me. Respect and control, and then knowledge. Knowledge is already something that is very close to spirituality.
Oren: So, according to this ladder of values that goes up from the most basic things, and the way we develop is how humans choose a partner?
Dr. Laitman: More or less. But in each and every one of us there is also food, sex, family, money, honor, and knowledge in different ways. Those impulses are organized within us and then if I am very hot for sex, then maybe I do not care about the honor, but I care about her body. If according to my attributes I am very developed for wealth and money, I do not care about sex, I do not care that she will be, I do not know what, as long as she comes from a rich family, and more and more. Meaning, that in each and every one it also changes.
There is a certain combination of these impulses. Yes, each is special in this combination of all these impulses. And therefore, it is difficult. And here also, the problem starts to be between parents and children as they agree and do not agree. She looks at his attributes, he is looking at her beauty and this did not exist earlier. Earlier, this did not happen at all. I am telling you. Therefore, until this latest era, parents would marry off their children. Until 200 years or something like that, it did not exist. People were writing romantic novels, but there simply was not that question, and also, there was not a problem that her body repels me or this other one attracts me.
Oren: But it is good, because there is a difference between choosing a partner. You know, like you said, how much he has or how much her father has and the sexual impulse itself. It seems like the sexual impulse that is within us that develops from generation to generation is something very basic, something a little bit more broad. There is one thing that is the impulse of finding a partner where you have certain relationships of money, respect, standing, and all those things that you described that became complex and we see that. But in my experience, the sexual impulse in the human being is something that is considered when I want to choose a partner for life and you are looking at many considerations. Well, that is when one looks at the other according to the inclinations of human beings. But sexual impulse is something instinctive that is in humans, meaning, beyond what who is going to decide to live his life. How does this sexual impulse develop in us as human beings?
Dr. Laitman: I cannot tell you, Oren. I will tell you that when I was 15, I remember myself. I was in all sorts of villages there in Russia where I would be in the washroom, in the showers where men and women would shower together, and no one would even think to look at the other. It was not attractive. There was no interest in it. Do you understand? There was no such impulse. Today is sex, today it is an orgy, I do not know what else you would call it, but I remember now that I was, 12, 13, 14, and there was nothing about it. It was natural.
So here is a man, that is a woman. It was like a cow and a bull outside. What difference is there? Do you understand? I remember the impression from the fact that today, I have an impression of what it was then. That it was so and that 50 or 55 years have passed since then. Well, it was not a city, it was a village, but nevertheless it was like that. People were not looking at the bodies. It was natural. Just like you are looking at the body of a dog, a cow, a chicken, I do not know what. It is hard for us to perceive this today. We have made a leap in the last 100 years or even the last 50 years to something that is thousands of years of development.
Oren: So what exactly happened to us as in terms of the sexual impulse? How did it develop in these 60 years? What happened to that impulse?
Dr. Laitman: All our impulses started to rot. Yes, to rot, because we did not take them under conscientious development in the right direction and in the right stages.
Oren: What is it “to rot?” What does it mean that the sexual impulses started to rot?
Dr. Laitman: It started to receive forms that are not right. Like a fruit that is already finished its period of ripeness, now you need to eat it, since it is now exactly meant for humankind, for people to eat it. But we are not humans. We continue to relate to all these things as animals, as beasts, and what comes out from this is that it is receiving such forms, some kinds of mutations. Look at what is happening with the gays, lesbians, and all kinds of flaws. I am not against this or against that, as it is a natural thing that is happening. But it used to be part of a culture. Also, people did not pay attention to it. It was natural. In ancient Rome and Greece, it was between men and men, women and women, and it was kind of a normal thing. But today, it has already taken a different form. Also, people were in relationships that were more natural and simple that would only work in a certain way. The problem is that we do not know how to relate to each other.
Oren: What is that it would not work? I do not understand.
Dr. Laitman: They did not make anything out of it, I do not know how to say it. They would not blow it up. In ancient Greece, it was customary that a man lived with a man. It was custom. Let us say, in the whole army of Alexander, it was known who is with whom and they were devoted to each other. By the way, we know that those couples, in same sex relationships between man and man and woman and woman, were very devoted couples. We know that they were very tight and connected together. And it was okay. It was natural. No one looked at it as something that was not natural or coming out of some framework, from a normal or a not normal form.
Today, look at how we see it in society. Is it allowed or not allowed? In countries where it is allowed, they are called advanced, progressive countries. And those where it is not permitted are not advanced or progressive. Look at what is happening from it. It used to be that there was no question about it. Meaning, that this was like one of the ways that you look at human society, the development of natural impulses. There were no such questions. They would not even talk about it or tell anyone about this, because for them it was part of regular life.
Today, it comes to us as things that are from not caring for humankind in the right way and from not raising our awareness nor starting to develop our approach to the new degree in life, the degree of speaking, which is to the degree in which we develop our head and our awareness. That these things are the body, and the still, vegetative, animate is without a head. Because the forces of nature develop within a person, so they start to rot.
Oren: Meaning to develop the head above the body, the degree of awareness. Can you depict a certain picture as to how you see a person that develops his degree of awareness, and he has an awareness that controls his sexual impulse in an educated way?
Dr. Laitman: Not just sexual, but in all his impulses. Very simple, the connection between people, the good connection between human beings precedes everything, decides everything, and leads in every way, all actions and decisions. That is it.
Nitzah: Let us look at this for a second and make a comparison. What is the difference between the state we are in at the moment, in which what leads me are other things, such as achieving success, and I have no problem with the fact that my success is at the expense of others or exploits others, but those are the values that lead me in the perception we have up until now. And now you are leading us to a place where the leading line is the good connection between everyone.
Dr. Laitman: Yes. The search for the way of maximal, optimal and good connection, since we need to be connected. It is called coming to the state of “do not do to your friends what is hated by you” and then to “love thy friend as thyself.”
Nitzah: How do we know that is really the next stage, meaning, what you describe right now is…
Dr. Laitman: Because we discover in every place in nature that there must be all the levels of nature connected to everything in a unified manner. And today, we discover in human society, that only the right connection is lacking and that the lack of this connection brings us to all kinds of problems, such as the fact that half of humanity is starving and the other half is throwing out food. And this is the only way for us to bring ourselves to happy, calm, secure lives, and also to be in balance with nature and not invite upon us environmental blows and so on.
Oren: I wanted to ask. When I asked what it is to develop an awareness that will be above our impulses, including sexual impulses, you said that a good connection between human beings leads everything and decides everything. What does that mean about the sexual impulse? In general, I understand, but I do not understand this in relation to sexual impulses. how does “do not do to your friend what is hated by you” going to control this?
Dr. Laitman: That I subjugate to every possible contact with a person, only under the consideration that bring that one person only good. To whomever I can bring good, then I choose. To each and every one, you could say this also instead of sex, any kind of connection. But how does it relate to the sexual impulse? That I choose for myself, as much as I understand, feel, and can identify that partner in life with whom I can come to the inner connection, the true inner connection. As we complete each other in a way that truly we become as one unit in our desires, intentions, inner completion, without sex at all, as sex already comes after that as a completion, the physiological completion that it adds to the interrelations between people. Yes, between people. Between the human beings in us at the degree of speaking, and then the degree of animate adds to it.
Nitzah: So how do I use correctly the sexual impulse that awakens in me in order to progress myself to this new paradigm that you described?
Dr. Laitman: If you receive the right education, then I do not think that the sexual impulse will awaken in you before you see that with this man I want to come to an inner connection. And because this education is not yet in place, then you are looking from day to day, each and every one and whatever you feel like doing. That is the problem today.
Nitzah: So what Impulse will awaken before the sexual impulse?
Dr. Laitman: That you are searching not for sex, but for an inner connection. For two hearts to connect. And not in love like we depict it. But not with hearts, as it is a problem, but with souls. As we connect in order for each to feel the desire of the other for advancement towards the third, which is towards the general goal of all of humanity where we all connect together.
Nitzah: What is the difference between that impulse for inner connection that awakens in me as a woman and the same impulse in him as a man?
Dr. Laitman: There is no difference. You are in him and he also is in equality. Therefore, we come to equality between man and woman. Whereas in the degree of the animate, you are different. You get pregnant, you can give birth, you are able to breastfeed your child and all that. And he is also in the degree of inanimate, and that is why you are not equal. The women are saying, “Oh, we want equality,” but only in the degree of speaking can there be equality.
Nitzah: Can you expand a little bit about that?
Dr. Laitman: Because that is where everyone needs each other. Each needs the inner connection of the hearts. One cannot advance without the other in the degree of speaking, since in spiritual development, it develops the personality in him. Because there, as man and woman, divinity is between them. Adam and Eve connect again as one image.
Nitzah: Today as I look at a man and a woman, even today I understand that it is the degree of animate, and I understand that in a woman, there is this impulse for inner connection and emotional connection, and that in the man, it is lacking most of the time and there is more of a sexual impulse.
Dr. Laitman: Also for a woman, because a woman only has an association towards the man, dependency on the man, and it is a natural, animalistic thing. It is not that she develops this from her new education. It remains from her previous education so we do not get confused here. Therefore, do not get confused here. And we see today it is already less than it was before.
Nitzah: Let us look for a moment at the difference, the difference between that impulse for connection, the emotional need that I have as a beastly woman and the same impulse that I will have in a higher degree of awareness.
Dr. Laitman: Well yes, it is something completely different. The inclinations and reasons are different. The results are different. The feelings are different. Everything is different. It is a certain creation of means and achievements. It is something that is not associated at all with the previous degree, and is really a difference where two bodies from the outside appear as human beings and behave like animals, or two bodies that have between them, a true inner spiritual coupling.
Nitzah: What is an inner spiritual coupling?
Dr. Laitman: Spirit within spirit.
Nitzah: What part couples? What is the spirit within spirit?
Dr. Laitman: The spirit within spirits that are in each and every one. The human spirit that is in each and every one. You cannot be without the spirit of the other which demands this connection, because without that, he is not a human. A human is also male and female together, as the Torah tells us.
Oren: You are going a little too fast for me. I am stuck from a few minutes ago, and I am still feeling that it is as if the sexual impulse is something that is not okay. Now, it is something natural, the most natural thing that is in human beings. What is not right about it? That is not clear to me.
Dr. Laitman: No, no, no. that is our destiny until we move past the degree of development on the level of the animate, and then we develop correctly in a natural way.
Oren: Like you said until the beginning of the 20th century.
Dr. Laitman: Yes, from there onwards. It is not that we developed it in the wrong way. We did not develop within the degree of Adam, which is in the right way.
Oren: The spiritual, the human spirit, that is what we did not develop from the beginning of the 20th century? So that is what where we are flawed?
Dr. Laitman: Yes, that is right. Also, in all our engagements with our relatives, with couples, with our sexual partners, with the whole world and human society. All those engagements in daily life start to get corrected.
Oren: Okay, I understood the idea. You are saying that we now need to develop our awareness, and then we will have a certain structure in which I have an awareness, a head, and a body, and the head manages the body, and the body does not manages the head, okay? So for the sake of this matter, I want to understand how, according to your perception, do we need to relate and probably also to manage this natural sexual impulse in human beings? I understand that there is a thing of awareness and a body. In the body, for the sake of the matter, I am concentrated on the sexual impulse and I am not yet clear what to do with the awareness. That is why I am still losing you.
I do not understand why there is some bad attitude toward something I do not understand from the sexual impulse in human beings. I understand that you could add awareness and that we need to manage it, but I got an impression from you, from your statements, that maybe you are negating it completely. I did not understand this. What is the relationship towards the sexual impulses of human beings today?
Dr. Laitman: I do not want to answer about the sexual impulse.
Oren: Is there no sexual impulse in the human being today?
Dr. Laitman: Maybe you will hear that there is the head of a beast which receives commands, carries them out and engages them in an automatic manner from nature. And, there is a head of a human which is something else and which does not receive commands, but rather, it receives data. It has a special program through which he processes the details, decides where to develop and develops in that way.
In an animal, the human is called a beast, since everyone is similar to a beast. He develops in a natural way, and has no problem, impulses, sexual or non-sexual, are okay. Everything is okay. It all comes from that same head, that same style in which nature enters into him and he develops.
A person that should have developed is already developed to the degree of Adam, the degree of human. But, it did not receive the program, the right details, and so he starts to develop onwards, continuing, even though he should have already continued with the new program, conditions, and new details. He is continuing the previous old development, and that is where there is a flaw, a corruption. This is what we are talking about, and therefore, all of a sudden he has very warped relationships with the family, children, with sex, and with each and every thing. Because he is not developing in the right way due to a lack of the program that he needs to process and understand what for and why. This is because the development of a human being is that his eyes are in his head and he sees what is coming. It goes in such a way where his head is above and his body is below. Then everything gets flawed. This is what we are seeing now, especially in the 21st century, and it will become more and flawed. It will become more and more corrupted.
What are you asking about that? It is not about sex alone. I am telling you in a general observation about everything that is going on. It is a problem with sex, it is a problem towards families, children, work, finances, trade, culture, and the environment. Everything. It is all in a wrong way because we did not receive the program and so do not know how to develop. We are continuing as if… look no one knows what to do.
Look at what is going on with politicians, with scientists. There is no one that has any knowledge of what to do or an understanding of what to do. Do you understand? So it is not just sex or something. These are small corruptions and we are not even looking at that. We are being confused with that by the media and so on, so that we will supposedly engage in that as if there are not bigger problems.
We have a general problem. What are those of us on Earth doing with ourselves? We cannot find the direction, the foundations. Nature is not managing us. Look at what is going on everywhere. It is as if the laws of nature have stopped working, which are those laws that we were used to. It is as if there is something in human society that we do not know what is going on at all. So this is the problem. And if we will solve this general problem, then sex will also enter the picture and find its place where it needs to be. Will there be room for it?
But once again, I gave you a starting line to find that place. Because in the current state, in the connections between human beings, we must reach the emotional connection in one heart, “As one man in one heart,” and develop all of humanity as one family. Therefore, first we need the heart relations and then accordingly, also the sexual. That is it. And in what way exactly? I do not know.
Oren: Our time is up.
Dr. Laitman: Okay, we will be a little bit more optimistic today.
Oren: That is different. Thank you very much Dr. Laitman. Thank you very much Nitzah. Thank you for being with us in “A New Life.”
(End of the conversation)