Morning Lesson May 2, 2022 Transcription
Transcription is made from simultaneous translation which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio
1. S. (00:04) Continuing what you said that one day you won't be with us physically anymore and we will continue, our independence do we already need to build and develop now?
R. This is what I'm trying to help build. Go ahead, you need to take care of it, yes. Mutually in many cases in the past we read about groups of Kabbalists that when they passed away from this world, their students were not able to organize themselves and they disintegrated the forces of the group. Accordingly they became weak small groups sometimes even in opposition to each other, and this caused a breaking apart of the wisdom. Of course I don't want that. We have to talk about how do you build yourselves in order that even now I will move away from you further and further and you will discover the mechanism that will manage you and you will accept it and truly accept it in the right way.
S. Was it traditional by Kabbalists to always prepare the next generation for their independence?
R. As much as it was possible they did it, nevertheless there were mishaps.
2. S. (02:27) There's something also additional that I feel like we received from the Creator sometimes and it's a kind of a guilt for not embracing every opportunity that He gives and it is clear?
R. That's true.
S. I'm not sure how to work with it sometimes because I don't know how to work with it?
R. I can pass on to you only what the Kabbalists say and what I understand out of my not so great experience. That all of these things by themselves are resolved only through connection, the solution is nevertheless connection. You can't do it with your intellect to understand it and somehow turn it when it comes to you but only connection inside of the group. It brings you all of the solutions, the answers and only this way you can resolve things, and they have to settle in your sensation in your feeling. Therefore it's not a matter of understanding, intellect that you will have some kind of proof like mathematics or physics or something, no it's not going to help. It has to be inside the feeling, if it works out then you accept it you receive it and it's clear, so it's only through connection.
S. Sometimes however it's especially when I see it in a friend I can see that it is crippling. So the guilt itself stops a friend or myself in the work, because maybe you missed a few lessons or you found yourself incapable of connecting and then what happens is you stop. It’s hard to reach a friend who is feeling guilt or it's hard to come out of that sensation on your own, how do we overcome the guilt?
R. If we start to relate to one another in love then there is no problem and no shame between us also between us and towards the Creator. You need to nonetheless try to reach such sensations, such relations. There is no shame, there is no calculations between those who love one another. If there is already calculations then it is not love that's why it is written love covers all crimes. That's what we need to yearn to reach to such calculations that then there is no criticism, and no room for who's more or less or what form. Love covers all crimes.
3. S. (06:14) Why does creation need this oppositeness that the Creator creates within it on one hand, and pleasure on the other side shame?
R. Without shame we would not feel that we are receiving, do you understand? You wouldn't feel that you are receiving. Depict to yourself that your nerves aren't working. God forbid a person puts his hand into the fire and the hand burns and he doesn't feel that it burns. He doesn't feel it by fire, he takes his hand out of the fire and that hand is on fire and he doesn't feel it. He sees it but he doesn't feel it. That's why we have been given shame. It's a very big unique correction that we feel that we are receivers and all of our measure of development is in the measure of shame that we feel.
4. S. (07:35) What does it mean that the light is in a state of rest?
R. Light is in rest because it has no more than one intention to be still good to the created beings and in all sorts of forms and manners, even in the worst things that we feel and very difficult states. We just don't identify but it also comes out of love and in order to benefit us.
5. S. (08:15) Falling or distancing is kind of a revelation of the Creator. Are there other forms for the revelation of the Creator that we can name?
R. Everything that there is before us is all the forms of the revelation of the Creator, just that we're not ready to identify that it is Him and Him doing it.
6. S. (08:45) Why do we feel a need to talk about the Congress that was, does it help us in any way to bring up memories?
R. It doesn't help like memories and we are not dealing with what was, rather how to prepare ourselves for what will be. We are not sunken in the past, we are drawn to the future and that's what's important to us. We're going to organize ourselves here, that this big group there will be more and more big and believe me when we're speaking about this thing there are 5, 6, 7000 in the Congress that is nothing. The truth is that they are with us and many more, multi-fold more people. We need to speak and arrange an entire organization within us that will manage this general society of Bnei Baruch. And manage this work of the society and also that will manage congresses and all sorts of events. We need to build such an organization, the heart of the organization that will care for that. In the meantime we are still in the preliminary organization to them and I truly care for that. We will need to do it to organize it. I think that we need to choose a few people who will engage in it and recommend, let's say recommend ten people who can engage in the building of the Bnei Baruch organization in the present time. Without taking into account the presence of the Rav. Yes, that you will be independent.
7. S. (11:31) It's a bit unclear to me we have Bnei Baruch management, we have the language coordinates, we have the social teams, what are you talking about?
R. I don't understand them, I'm not familiar with them, yes or no, if they are, I'm right now turning to everyone, everyone, and so I'm saying: If you have ideas how to organize this organization that will operate independently without Rav and in a efficient manner they can surely lead you forward, then that's what I want to hear and see.
S. What exactly is the goal? What does it mean to take care of the organization without Rav?
R. It's the way for this that the organization will be organized and operate in a correct optimum manner without the organizer called Rav.
S. I have a principal question, maybe it comes out of the Congress itself. What is the difference between a lesson and Yeshivat Haverim, what's the difference if you're sitting opposite Rabash in the lesson with a book versus sitting with the friends reading a text of Rabash, is there a difference in the rest, in the outcome?
R. Of course, of course. Because if I'm sitting with Rabash, I'm sitting with my teacher and what he says, I accept it without criticism, and if I have to activate my criticism then I activate in a very conscious manner. Rather if I'm sitting with the friends, then there first of all we need to connect between us and then the connection between us will be like Rav that I'm sitting in front of, and then everyone are all sitting in front of this Rav that we all have formed for ourselves, created for ourselves out of the connection between us.
S. So can we reach the same volume of connection between us just like we are opposite of Rav with the same alertness like we're sitting opposite from you and we're receiving from you?
R. Yes and even more, and even more. You can in the connection between you reach a state that you are sitting in front of the Creator.
S. In the connection between us we cannot be mistaken?
R. If you want to fulfill the connection according to all the laws that you know, and praying to the Creator, and making an effort to be in a constant connection with Him; then you will not be mistaken, rather to the extent that the Creator wants to make you mistaken.
8. R. (14:32) In any case I see that this question is in the air and people are worried. I want to see an organization that is operated successfully already from now. Meaning that you organize the group called the head of the organization, the people who manage everything and do everything, and, like was said that there are already such things, I don't know who is or what is, and not just once I hear when I talk about the future of the organization I get such answers like was said, yes, we have it…
S. I could be more audacious, the people who sit before you, the management is that not the organization, the management of the organization?
R. I'm not talking about that at all.
S. So what are you talking about?
R. I'm talking about this that Bnei Baruch checks itself, does a revision, an examination and builds itself for the new future, that doesn't have with it Rav in flesh-and-blood, alive, and it's a bit different from what there is today because today each and every question you can come to me or even if you don't come to me but I you know that I exist, and then it's something else. From rather, if there won't be who to turn to and then I know what that is, then all the groups in the organization begin truly spread out in all directions. Suddenly there are many people who get up and want to be the leadership, and each one has their own opinion, and that's from the nature of the matter that occurs such, and we need to be ready for it, and to receive, to accept these disturbances from above, then we will waken and how we will specifically rise by them, to a spiritual degree that is even higher. Meaning will be able to connect them nonetheless and keep this new coarseness that is revealed to turn it into refinement.
S. How is it possible for us now when we're not yet in attainment to correctly to establish these things that you're expecting in the right way?
R.That you're already now thinking how the organization will operate without me, in everything.
S. Because already now, even to choose such people how do I know how to choose? We used to looking according to externality, according to roles, hard work but according to what criteria?
R. Discuss it, debate it. Then you'll see just how much you're in a state that is like you are brought to a daycare and that's how you remain, like in a nursery. It doesn't have to be this way, it's not a healthy state. It's not a healthy state, it doesn't need to be like this. It was once also by humanity, that there was a king and under him everybody existed however he organized them but after this period past and many people from the nation developed, and are ready to understand the matters how they occur in the human society and some of the rules and managing money, finances, and some of them managing wars, and some of them other social problems, and between them they also became lawyers, builders, and so on.
So we see that humanity none the less reaches a state that there is a parliament, congress, and many people who are involved in making decisions, and even if they build the head of this parliament, this congress, it's the result of the opinion of all of these politicians and that's the matter of the government and not the king, and such humanity develops. Why? In order ultimately to reach a state that all the citizens of the country, let's say, will be decision-makers, but everyone will be accepting one decision, not in this that everyone will concede to the other; rather that they will be as “one man with one heart”. That's the form of development from the beginning of humanity to the end of humanity.
S. This is nice, this form of humanity you describe now, but if I now look at us as an organization, I'm not talking about having election in a parliament?
R. this that I say that everyone needs to think, how to organize the organization without Rav, yes? Meaning without the decision of an individual by this I am awakening everyone to think about the future form. And it needs to be according to the form of development, according to the natural development that humanity is going through, human society is going through, and also we are going through. We need now, because we are entering the last generation just to understand from lack of choice we are entering a state that there won't be one person who is called Rav, and Rav said and that's it, like a king and he doesn't have to be, he’s not accountable to anyone, that he said and that’s his desire. But now we need to reach a state that all of us understand, all of us feel, all of us connect, and all of us decide and according to this decision we are going forward. This actually Rabash is telling us in the social articles how to connect, how to tie ourselves to one decision, the correct one, how to establish a form of the image of the Creator between us, that actually he is leading us. And to establish this form of the Creator we need to do it gradually, like in a pyramid. That's what I want to see that we are advancing towards this form. It's not just my desire, it's according to human development, social evolution; according to what needs to be our organization such until we will reach the structure of the last generation and, from this structure we will reveal the image of the creator that we have built.
S. According to the spiritual root, what is correct right now in the corporeal branch, the form of a king or the form of democracy, because we can see all kinds of distorted things in humanity?
R. We're not so much taking an example from humanity, no despite that we are in it and we can seemingly take an example from it or give examples to it but we are developing differently. We are reaching a necessity to build between us connection and that this connection will be the Creator.
S. I get many questions from the friends. I'll ask them, about the concept of independence, to understand how to interpret it correctly. There is one conception that says we stay with Rav, that is our independence, that our independence is that we don't have independence?
R. In the meantime, yes. It's like how once people connected to a king.
S. And there are those who say no, independence means to disconnect from the Rav to create something new with the friends and advance with that.
R. That's a mess, that's the worst thing that can be. Meaning that you will know how to change the Rav and exchange it with a higher and spiritual leader which is the Creator.
S. So where's the balance between the independence of the friends and the independence where we adhere to the Rav and continue his path through him?
R. You're building the Rav, you are building the Creator inside the connection between you.
S. Until today we heard that there’s an entire archive of recorded lessons that Rav Laitman himself, his body, not Rav as the Creator, but the Rav Dr. Michael Laitman and we continue according to the archive of Kabbalah media lessons that have been given over dozens of years?
R. Lessons you can surely listen to those same lessons that we've learned over dozens of years ago, of course, there's no problem. If I'm engaged fifty years in the Wisdom of Kabbalah then you can take my entire archive and use it. I don't think there's so much of a need for it because you need to learn from the connection between you, you will take more and more innovations from the study.
S. So the future form that you see is that the daily Kabbalah lessons will be a combination of a recording and a lesson that the friends will give?
R. Possibly such, possibly not recorded lessons, or rather that you just read sources. Sources are obligatory, without the sources there's nothing we can do. Source is Baal HaSulam and Rabash, besides this no one, not commentary or additions, nothing, in a form just like we're learning, from the source of Baal HaSulam and Rabash only. That’s it. You can take additional excerpts from the Kabbalists commentaries like, Degel Machane Efraim, Maor Va’shemesh of course, that were accepted by Baal HaSulam and Rabash as well. But actually the foundation is only theirs, without any addition whatsoever, from anyone.
S. Yes. The people who will lead the society will be people of attainment or people who’re good at organization?
R. First of all, organizational people, first of all the organizational people. People of attainment, who knows, who can discern that.
S. Why wouldn't Rav himself choose the people and we’ll advance in that way?
R. No, I want it to come from you. Let's open up our post box or email and send us lists of people that you think that these groups can organize and manage our society without Rav, without Rav. That is the matter. That they are capable of managing in an independent manner, not dependent on anyone rather only connected to the goal.
S. According to what criteria do I choose such a friend?
R. According to your criteria. That I don't determine and just like now you will choose and write, according to that we will know what criteria you're relying on.
S. What is the place for women in such an organization?
R. Women can also participate in this in a parallel manner to men. In parallel to men, but in parallel not to confuse us, this separate and this separate also in choices of groups of management. Women can participate, but we shall know that it comes from the women.
9. S. (30:14) What is entailed in managing our society such a great and diversified society? What's involved, what's included in managing such a society?
R. What do you mean what's involved? Reminds me of some young guy who comes from the street, enters some big company and says, i want to be manager of this factory. Is that possible? This is what you are asking?
10. S. (30:59) Can we expect that the tens that do the work now will reach spiritual attainment and we'll be in that place where you're not physically with us?
R. I don't want to expect spiritual attainment of the tens rather the opposite; the correct work that we're talking about now with the organization will also advance us to a spiritual attainment.
S. I'm asking because when you’re here, when Rav decides about something, we know that you received this decision from the root and branch and you see it from all sides. In our case if we reach some decision without spiritual attainment, there are greater chances that we will be wrong. Can we say that?
R. We have reached the state that if the ten decide with a heavy measure, it's not mistaken. That's it. So, the correct ten and the correct decision can give us the correct decision and we won't be mistaken, to advance according to this decision towards the purpose of creation.
11. S. (32:53) If we're speaking about the organization, in my opinion everything truly works organizationally, externally we have all the required systems but when we speak about we're talking about ideology of the development of the organization for example the morning lesson, do we study this or that according to how we advanced in our world group and we can see how you are leading the world group ideologically, and we see that you are planning the future spiritual state and the sources that we should choose for that what will be in the Congress what kind of Congress we will have, this the primary thing not the external organizational things so what's the criteria we should have here?
R. The main criteria is such that if the group of ten people, it's not one group from all these group that we now see on the screen, rather that we have chosen it as the organizer like an office. So, if we choose it and they truly in the one hand, one heart, one mind they decide, we accept it in the manner like it comes truly from the upper force, that's it. It all depends how much they make the effort to decide with one heart, one head as much as we pass it, we give to them our worry, our loyalty and they do it in such a manner that what we received from them is as we receive from above.
S. This is already our work, of those who received their decisions. I'm talking about the decisions themselves, the decision should stem from the perspective of the development of the group, so?
R. To connection, to the increasing connection between them, there the group is going forward, to the increasing connection between them.
S. What is this ideology precisely? How can we depict these to ourselves? How can we agree on something like that?
R. In this they build the Creator, form the image of the Creator between them.
S. No translation available.
R. From this group or from the general group? Also, from this group that is the decision maker, and also from all the groups that are around it, and the general group, and also from all the humanity.
S. Our general group can somehow check it in some way for example whether tomorrow, are closer to the Creator or not?
R. According to how much you get closer to one another you'll be closer to the Creator, according to that you'll have the correct decision and if the decision is not so correct then you'll receive all sorts of signs that will correct you.
12. S. (37:14) Today, the management is mostly around you and Israel. You establish a directorate, there are twelve people there, they're all Israelis, so today how should it be geographically this management?
R. I didn't even think about it. I don't consider nationality or a person's color, rather only in their correctness, their readiness to get closer to work in one heart and one mind. What do I care that it'll be even somewhere from Petach Tikva and Holland, Spain, Turkey, Korea, Brazil, UK, Israel, Bulgaria, it doesn't matter, what is important to me? What is important is that they will want to be in one heart despite that there is gaps and divisions between them that there’s different mentalities, different habits of perception that they want to be together in connecting between them, because if we're talking about International world organization, the world, then they need to be very different one from another, from all sorts of parts of our organization and along with it they need to understand what they need to do in order to be the head of the organization, that we all connect together by this they form inside the room, the condition for the revelation of the Creator that the divinity, the Shechina will dwell between us, and in such they will be the head but there shall be different types there different from the nature of the matters. From the nature of the matters, initially they are all from Israel because that's the room that we have most of the groups in advancement but today I don't think we have a problem or an urgent necessity for it to be this way. We have people who are suitable from outside of Israel much more than here. There needs to be both, it's not according to language or color or anything, rather according to the readiness to work in the ten as one.
13. S. (40:25) So, you're trying to give us direction on, it's not so much that Bnei Baruch will be run by individual or individual power, or let’s say individual decisions but you're trying to help us to become mature, to discover everything that through our connection everything through the connection, let's say we make decisions through connections, we make directions through our connection that we become so mature that through our connection will come to the truth. It doesn't matter what's going on but our connection is so that we can do everything if we're mature enough, we connect, we can build a society together and we can give directions to our connection. Is that what you're trying to tell us?
R. Certainly this is what I mean but for the connection to be as spiritual as possible and that you'll be the ones to build it, to strengthen it, to examine it, for it to work that way.
14. S. (41:56) How to take a decision, how to take the friend’s decision just like taking Rav’s decision without criticism, without doubts, to know that that's the right decision that will help us advance, how will we?
R. You need to find articles by Baal HaSulam and Rabash that talk about that, about how much the society, the friends, the group of friends, can base their decisions on the individual and work with that, accept it that way, try to understand these principles, they are spiritual. Spirituality doesn't exist in some defined form but it all depends on our decision, on our attitude, on how we scrutinize and accept it. Spirituality is really in the spirit.
15. S. (43:15) If I could ask, directly, the whole group, why would we have a chance if what happened to Rabash’s groups? With Rabash the whole group crumbled, why should we have a chance to survive?
S. He is asking why do we have a chance when in the past every time a Kabbbalist died the whole group scattered?
R. We're in the last generation, we need to protect ourselves and we have all chances to build ourselves in a way that we won't disperse but to the contrary that will build ourselves more and more, further and further, from one day to the next our importance will grow and grow.
S. We all came to Bnei Baruch to you, that there's a person in attainment leading us, and now what's the force in Bnei Baruch?
R. The power of Bnei Baruch is that they have a method of how through their connection to reach connection with the Creator and then from the Creator we get all the fulfillment, internality, everything, this is the power of Bnei Baruch.
16. S. (44:57) In the beginning you said that this group has to be based on some corporeal organizational form, then you said that the group has to come to an internal connection, let's say we meet, we have a purpose, we need to take some decision let's say, how will that meeting take place?
R. We need to take the writing of Baal HaSulam and Rabash what they write and in your meetings from one meeting to the next to try and implement what it says there.
17. S. (45:54) It's pretty clear from the conversation we're having now that when a Kabbalist leads an organization there's no difference between society and dissemination because the answer is always in connection. The question is what happens when the Rav stands aside and doesn't manage any more so what's the right way to determine what we are doing?
R. Instead of the Kabbalist there’s a group which is like a parliament that in the past there was a king and now there's no more and there's a parliament and this parliament determines the life of the entire country, defines it, that we have such examples in the world, and this is something that we need to make here too and that's the government.
S. You talked about not only what will happen after you won't be here, but that even though we hope that it's going to take many years, you said how to organize as an organization, to organize the group. What are you aiming for? Do you want it to be a lot of people? Do you want it to be a bigger society, that's what you 're talking about?
R. There needs to be a group consisting of it could be ten people and more in the past there was the SanHedrin, one hundred twenty people, in the past there was a group of seventy people, but at least ten, that this group of ten people governs the entire life of Bnei Baruch, and under it there are other groups too which are responsible to carry things out in practice, in the field, and I think that you simply need to take it into your own hands and start discussing it.
S. Do you want the world Kli to be comprised of many more people? You said there were five thousand, six thousand, but there were much more people around. Would you want them to enter Bnei Baruch?
R. I don't get your really where do you take these words from, five thousand, six thousand? What did I say, that, that's what you think? I said that from all our groups, all in all there's a mass of people which are a few thousands of people and from them we need to choose ten people that will be as a group that's concerned with our entire life and I'm talking about men, first and foremost, first of all this is what I’m talking about. I don't know what number is your hearing and things that I never said.
18. S. (49:11) How do we all participate in this process? There were guiding points to joining the lessons, paying Masser that makes us a part of Bnei Baruch so now how can all tens participate in the process?
R. I think the best thing to do is through department managers that you write the department managers what you think about it and then accordingly will decide further what to do. That's what I think. Start thinking about it thoroughly because that's your future, you're building your government that will lead you from this point on, well that will lead you further, not from this point on but that will lead you further.
19. S. (50:31) There are a few friends that seem that it's suitable for them to be in the management of the organization but I don't know if they're even interested. Is that important whether they want it or not?
R. It's important that you write what you think, that you write who do you think is suitable and then we’ll see.
20. S. (51:03) About a year or two ago you advised that the day you're gone we should start watching lessons from the previous day and start going backwards till all the first lesson, is that still intact?
R. No, whatever you decide but certainly that it needs to be from the materials of Baal HaSulam, Rabash and our recorded lessons. What I'm afraid of is that suddenly as always and this is what destroyed all the groups that suddenly egoists will start jumping, up taking things into their own hands, dirty hands, filthy hands, into their ego and the organization starts deviating from the path, that's why I already know I want for us to get correctly organized.
21. S. (52:20) Yes. The transition from a king to a parliament always has a coalition and a physician too. How do you settle arguments when the Rav isn't there?
R. There are disputes in each of us, opposition and coalition, and so no problem, each of us is in dispute with himself so you need to examine yourself and reach the middle line which is the Creator and then to choose.
S. We see even today when the Rav exists there are disputes with your opinions so what'll it be when Rav, when you're not there?
R. This is what I wanted to direct you toward.
S. How? What should we do practically?
R. The more the organization knows the truth the better it will feel the point of balance and accordingly it will advance. I'm sure there will be problems on each and every step on the way but you'll know how to come out of one to the next point which is closer and closer to the goal. It’s always going to be in collision excetera excetera like everything else, like in mathematics you know that a straight line is a line that consists of dots that in each of every dot there is a flipping point and out of all those points you build a straight line.
S. How will it not tear the organization into parts and even into two?
R. That's why I want to build it in such a way that it will be in the ability of the organization to both examine itself and also sustain itself.
S. So what's the guiding principle that we won't split into different opinions?
R. You need to now examine what Kabbalists write and try to build an organization correspondingly. This is exactly what I want for you to do now gradually slowly, not suddenly after I'm gone.
S. Clear. One thing I saw also in this Congress that we see that there’s friends that when the Rav says be independent they interpret it that we have to build something new and there are friends that adhere to what Rav said and they think we should watch like recorded lessons the whole Congress and there are friends that say, No we should not even see what Rav says because then we won’t be able to build something new. So what approach, how to connect them all, we need them all?
R. Very simple, we need to continue in the same line that Rav set us on and try and see what is the next correct step in the correct direction, and if we don't look at the past we won't be able to correctly advance forward, and if we won’t want to advance then we won't. That's why we just need to know in what direction does he want us to continue and increase the forces of connection in order to advance.
S. Clear, it's difficult but it's clear.
R. It's certain that this way will safely advance correctly, otherwise in a few steps we’ll discover that we're not an organization, that we're not connected, and that no one cares about anything or anyone.
S. What to do with a feeling that everyone thinks they understand?
R. This is something that a person needs to shove, well bury it in the ground.
S. This body that you're speaking about it leads society or also the dissemination factory?
R. This body leads the entire factory including the dissemination factory, including all other organizations organs that exist within us. I'm talking about a government which is over the entire Bnei Baruch. It is an ideological group that for them the main thing is to be connected and in every decision that they take and make all the different groups under them make sure that it's in the direction of connection. Meaning what they have in in the upper group is sheer concern for connection and then all other groups that stem from them, these can already be professional groups, specific professional groups that are engaged in the teaching, dissemination, music, I don't know what different things, but this man group it's concerned with keeping the ideology that everything is done and made and direction of increasing the connection and different actions and branches.
S. So they are ten, they’ll be a ten?
R. They are ten, and they need to be people that we are sure that for many years they've been working in a ten.
S. Clear. Thank you.
R. And only according to that do we choose them, that they live in the ten, this is what they’re targeted on. They could be excellent friends, they could be great professionals, it doesn't matter, the main thing is inside the ten. It could be a person that devotes himself to I don't know repairing things in the building, in some country, or in some place or something, it doesn't matter. The main thing is the connection, that this is something that exists in a person, that this is what his heart is concerned with.
S. So people ask should they be chosen according to organization or attainment and you answered that according to their organization, I hear something different now.
R. How do you hear something else?
S. You said a tendency to a ten and connection and not organization.
R. I don’t understand what he is saying.
S. These people have to have a tendency to organize.
R. Organizing meaning what?
S. People who know how to organize.
R. Know how to organize, meaning what?
S. They manage, they know how to make people work.
R. No, no, first and foremost they need to keep the ten, the law that everything is revealed, controlled, governed from the connection within the ten.
S. And how will they manage the organization itself? They need to know how to manage systems, it's a huge system Bnei Baruch.
R. Systems will be managed by professionals working under this, let's call it ideological group, and this ideological group makes sure that the beginning, the in between, the end, that all actions and all operations will be for the sake of connection of everyone, that only connection is our holy goal.
22. S. (01:01:24) Can we try and be precise again? Now you have head of languages, usually send something to those friends and they pass your direction onwards?
R. Heads of departments isn't that supreme ten. Heads of departments are people who are responsible for getting organized, for disseminating the wisdom, for the connection that exists between the Center and it's different branches, according to languages, according to countries, these are the Heads of language departments, Heads of departments. That's how the organization was up until now. Maybe there are going to be changes in the future, maybe we’ll make immediate changes, but overtime. But we need to understand that maybe two or three people are going to work together, that one is going to manage the language, someone else is going to manage the organization, and someone else will manage ideology, something like that.
S. So it has to be a certain body that is above all those that are already managing?
R. Yep, this is the supreme body that's above everything but it's very important because it keeps the line from the beginning of our actions and up to the final goal.
S. How can we take all these choices through the Creator because he is managing everything?
R. I recommend you not to turn to the Creator because you'll only get confused, you have no access to him, no response from him, and therefore don't confuse yourself. We're now talking about a clear structure that is at our disposal and if I'm part of the Creator you'll start talking and acting here then what you'll come to is that you'll just disperse in all possible directions and that's that.
23. S. (01:04:14) It seems that all of the choices, these new decisions, it's all, it awakens a lot of ego in the whole group, are we able and ready to uplift above the ego to a mutual goal?
R. This is something that we need to discuss and see how capable or incapable we are, that's also good for our advancement.
24 S. (01:04:59) The friend asked where they were able to, I don't know if we are not but I'm sure that there are friends in every ten that are working very strong, that they're making efforts and holding us till today. I know I don't have an ability to say who is in attainment or who isn't but I'm sure that there are friends that brought us into this moment and I'm sure that in all tens there are friends that the tes are strong because of those friends we saw in the Congress had to work and how they gave us is innovation in this Congress. They brought us to a higher state, those friends are just they keep the method.
R. Okay it's all clear Mister, what's your question?
S. The question is how to be sure that this will have continuity?
R. This is actually what we're discussing, this is what we're discussing.
25. S. (01:06:42) Can you say, is it like two or three people that have to be together, one has an organizer, one who knows languages and one knows ideology?
R. I don't know this is something you have to discuss among yourselves, how can they do it, but it doesn't matter what are they engaged in, the main thing is that they keep the connection between them, the connection of the group. That mainly what they're concerned with is the connection that they don't care through which actions the branches act but the main thing is that it will all be in connection between everyone and unity among everyone. It is a group that keeps the unity even though they're different, ten different friends but they keep the unity, that's their main goal.
26. S. (01:08:00) I'm sure that Bnei Baruch will choose the right people but will this choice be forever or should this group revise itself like once a year, once every three years, because the ego is an ego. We don't know how it's going to be, maybe like every five years you have to check?
R. Correct question. I think once a year, once a year, we are changing so much, ego advances so much that we should do it at least once a year.
S. If suddenly those ten friends all respect and love and value and one of them will say, I'm the Rav and the other one will say no, I'm the Rav, what should I do?
R. Then the group needs to be concerned with its unity and connection and if there's certain problems there then we'll discuss who needs to keep it and help it keep its direction, keep the unity but this is a must, for there to be a part that keeps.
27. S. (01:09:44) But still if we're speaking about an ideology of Bnei Baruch for the future we can as long as you're with us, we can build that line for fifty years ahead, a hundred years ahead, and not for a short period but still something that stays with us?
R. No problem, we take materials of Baal HaSulam and Rabash about unity of the group, the connection, direction, the goal and constantly make sure that these things will live in us, will be alive in us. That's it, all in all, to awaken the reforming light by the sources by keeping the right direction.
S. That's in general, that's a general ideology that somewhat there's a plan, that you're planning to lessen the month I have the topics, states could we plan it with you not for a month but for fifteen years?
R. I don't know what you're talking about all together, how can we say from this point on how suppose in a month I'm supposed to be concerned with connection, with unity, with the right goal It's all work that needs to be done on a daily basis, daily basis in all the groups and the general group and this entire ten needs to make sure that this is what we're all in.
28. S. (01:11:53) You said that when Rabash passed away you continued to feel him, will we continue to feel you after you pass?
R. Up to you, this is up to you.
29. S. (01:12:37) Maybe you should summarize, there were so many things said and how do you summarize this?
R. The summary is simple, a conclusion is simple, that what we need to be concerned with is creating such an ideological group that will be the head of the organization, not the department managers or anything else. It's truly an ideological group that is concerned with how to direct all of it or to make it so that we're all directed toward the purpose of creation. This group needs to be concerned with our daily schedule, with our holidays, with our meals, with everything. It needs to be concerned with our lessons in what way, in which direction are we going, what materials are we choosing. It's a supreme ideological group that controls our head, it controls our heads, it really turns our heads in one or another direction and this is our concern, it's the concern of that group how will we not deviate from the path and get some kind of values that might deviate us.
S. And practically the friends have to choose those ten friends, the supreme ten that you're calling it?
R. Yes, but according to the criteria that we just mentioned now.
30. S. (01:14:30) Could you give lessons on the laws of the last generation and how to keep those laws so we will be in a more corrected form of that ten of the last generation?
R. We need to organize this group more or less, afterwards, will change its components but we need to make sure that it will exist and in its initial form and then that will start to organize both the men's group, the women's groups, their management, that's how it's going to be.
S. So studying the Last Generation, will that help us in choosing that ten?
R. I don't know, everything needs to help, there are so many materials around it. I don't think that we should focus on the Last Generation, no.
31. S. (01:15:57) How will they be chosen for a limited time because their ego can grow?
R. The group needs to be chosen for at least six months to a year.
32. S. (01:16:16) Why should we learn without Rav, we feel like we have many years with you?
R. Will continue together but nonetheless I want for the laws to be applied while I'm still around so that I will Implement them as well.
S. Is there a right way to get the ten or election?
R. I think in the meantime yes, I think there's nothing safer than elections.
33. S. (01:16:55) During the lesson you feel the deficiency of the group, according to that you leave the lesson, how will that group be able to feel the deficiency of the group in the lesson and leave the lesson?
R. They need to get the confidence to manage the Bnei Baruch society, men and women, like suppose yesterday and the day before, during the Congress, as if I disappeared and this group remains and continues everything without me and I'm sure that it will be no less but even better than it is when I'm around.
34. S. (01:17:45) What does it mean that women scrutinize this management team in parallel, what is the future of the women’s organization?
R. I think there will be two groups, the men's group and a women's ten that control the organization, the male part, the female part, there's a certain connection between them and this is how each of them is responsible for their part.
S. Will the new organization be in charge of dissemination and teaching the world to love thy neighbor as thyself?
R. I think so.
35. S. (01:18:44) How will a decision be taken in a group, where does it come from if it's not only the result of annulment of the individual towards the collective, what is one man one heart?
R. So again we need to study the rules of behavior of the ten, how one ten become like one man and one heart and then we won't have these questions.
36. S. (01:19:23) Why can't you choose or appoint that ten? You know who can do it.
R. No, you need men and women to scrutinize exactly who do you think is capable of being in this supreme ten and not according to any foreign criteria but only according to the upper spiritual criteria, an inclination towards connection, towards unity.
37. S.(01:20:05) Rav has a ten that's close to him. Isn't it right that the managers has come out of that?
R. I have no such ten, I don't. There are a few people that around me and these are people that simply help me, help me exist, but that's it, it's not a group and it's not a ten. Therefore there's no room here for envy or different other calculations. These are a few people that are helping me to corporeally, in my corporeal existence
S. Who should we choose because there's new people that are here for only a year or two?
R. No, of course not them, us.
S. Who can choose?
R. Everyone chooses but you need to choose people that already have experience and we understand, we know them for several years already.
39. R. (01:21:43) You need, I’m turning to everybody, you need to see the organization without me as if I'm not here anymore. How do you keep going? How do you keep managing this, keep helping it exist until the end of corrections, Gmar Tikkun, of all of humanity.
40. S. (01:22:28) You always did everything for us, we’re sure that this step is for our benefit too, but are we ready for this?
R. If I would be a Rav for you you wouldn't be asking about this, you understand? You wouldn't be asking, you would accept this and that's it, without doubts.
41. S. (01:23:15) There are a lot of friends in a lot of tens that feel and understand how the Rav is in the unity. I think maybe we can encourage those tens for now that they'll start suggesting who could organize it and also start seeing how to maybe do some tests to see how it works, like we saw in the last Congress, everything is in the unity. You find the Rav in the unity, you find the direction the base is clear, Baal HaSulam and Rabash, that's clear, so now it's a moment to start practicing this unity, maybe we can create the space that we can build a model that will be the engine for it.
R. You're right, you're right. We now need to build such a form of unity between us where we discover the Creator. We don't need the Rav and we don't need tens and groups or anything. The Creator will be revealed between us, just in order for him to to be revealed we have to build tens in a way that the essence of the ten will be the Creator, the connection of the ten will give us the image of the Creator, you have made me, that's what has to happen. That is what I'm pushing you towards.
S. It's very exciting. I think that we need to really be excited because it's a new stage and that's the continuation from what we attained in the Congress.
R. Thank you too.
42. S. (01:25:25) You think the choice should be personal or by the tens?
R. Personal, and then through the tens. Yes.
43. S. (01:25:53) I have a suggestion that's essential. Without elections we have a representative, we have someone in the ten everyday that's in charge, and we change it according to a schedule here in our tens, the connection duty. So to do the same thing according to order, according to a timetable, to appoint the ones that are responsible of Bnei Baruch, maybe representative of tens of according to duty, is that how it should be?
R. If you're afraid that you won't have forces left, so don't participate. I think that by us participating and thinking about it, we'll have a better way to choose and scrutinize. You see, look, I'm wasting a whole morning on it, a whole day of study I'm giving for this, wasting for it. Why do you think I didn't ask myself if I should do it or not to steal, supposedly, a few hours from everybody but I think that this is more important then study a few pages of TES, that can wait till tomorrow. This is very important and don't think of the energy of whether you're wasting it or not, don't waste it okay. Sit and wait but we need to do this.
44. S. (01:27:42) I think that it's very good that were thinking about the future, what I want to ask is, would it be true to say that the situation in the world demands us to increase our ability to make decisions, it's like when there was a war in Ukraine we were uncertain that we can stay in touch, that we can keep our connection going. Do we need to think about how to make it so that our, the future of our decision making will be dispersed all around the world so anywhere there could be someone that can decide about our future?
R. We need to build an organization like we're speaking now and to be confident that by overcoming between us we’ll connect all of humanity into such connections that no war or political calculation won't bother the connections between us.
45. S. (01:29:14) Just in order to understand, better understand what you're saying while you're still with us, how are you planning the work of the world group right now, how do you it?
R. That's a different question already. We need, I don't know exactly, also now I'm not managing our society, our world society, and I don't know how it's exactly being managed. There are a few people who know this, and more people, a lot of people, each one on his branch, on his part. I'm not in contact with them so much, with all those divisions, with all those departments. I'm in touch with the reporters and also not with everybody, only the part that comes to me to that conversation, that's it, I have nothing else. As you see, day to day I have meetings with a reporter's and except for that I don't know what's happening there. I want you to know, to be closer to taking decisions, and going in a bit deeper into the life of the organization and that will happen.
S. I'm not so much talking about the organization itself but the ideology of our advancement, you plan it somehow right, for example friends, they come to you and you discuss with them what excerpts you're going to, are we going to read and why these are not others. So I'm talking about our spiritual development that if we're talking about the organization that will have to replace you then they'll have to replace you precisely in that that's the main thing and not about how we'll have our meals or something else that's the main thing.
R. You're mistaken because it seems to you that in the connection between us we’re scrutinizing and ideology. The ideologie is prepared, it’s ready, Baal HaSulam writes us about it. That everything's written down and the ideologies ready and the method is clear we just need to decide and this decision can be daily, how we implement this ideology, this decision on our actions daily, and that's expressed in studies, in meetings, and meals in all kinds of things, there's nothing about it. The main thing is all of the ideology is in a person's attitude, what is he drawn towards, why is he doing everything, why is he connecting, why is it coming to a meal, why is he coming to some kind of connection, that's the ideology, his ideology. There are no secrets here, it’s only the actions that through them we put, we built our intention more and more until Gmar Tikkun what are we drawn towards.
S. How can this be planned, pre-planned, determined, some kind of form, some kind of plan, program?
R. That's what they're doing. When are we going to sit for meals and lessons and all kinds of ways to organize men, women, and so on, and the main thing is what intention is dwelling on that.
S. So exactly,this is the intention, the ideology that we're talking about. How is it possible to pre-plan the next stage in terms of the ideology of the group?
R. If we're advancing correctly so that we can understand through that what to add. It's all written down. There are no secrets here.
S. Well it says, many things are written about it, but still to implement in relation to this concrete situation, like you're saying the time has come to talk about it because we're not reading TES but we're discussing this and that this is what will advance us, this is what you're saying. The question is how can the group decide on something like that, make the same decision and plan things for the future?
R. If they'll do it correctly they'll feel that they have to do such actions or other actions. It'll be revealed to them in their heart and their mind. You think that you can give secrets from one to another that only you and me will know. There's no such thing, it comes from within a person from implementing it correctly between him and the others. There is the Creator and he reveals to them thoughts and desires on the next states.
S. Okay, can't we for example, if we're not talking about global plans but in the ten, can we mark such a path of spiritual development for ourselves for certain stages of our development for advancing correctly?
R. Of course you can. Open Baal HaSulam and Rabash and see what they wrote, you want to implement it, you see what you can do and what you can't yet, but try and so on. That’s the track, that’s the path. There's nothing about it, there's no secrets here, there's nothing that you even have to say one want to the other, it's all written down before us everything they wrote.
S. But it’s simply that the way things are now a ten doesn't plan its future development but we are a kind of structure that reacts to things, daily tasks, curriculum, excetera excetera these are all things that the ten responds to. Are we capable of trying and build this thing correctly for ourselves?
R. That's exactly what I'm talking about, some supreme ten that will determine the stages of development for everyone, what we're studying, how to study, in what way and so on, that they will feel in their tendency towards connection, in constant tendency, they’ll feel more and more how to lead the organization towards the right connection.
S. Even in my small ten, I’m not talking about the entire Bnei Baruch, even in my small ten how can we reach such a decision together, such a feeling that we understand that this is the right the next step in our development and then that's the right step, how do we understand, feel it together?
R. Only according to the feeling in the heart. I can’t explain more. I also don’t understand why you are asking all these things, we talked about it so much. It’s not written anywhere you can’t pass it on from mouth to mouth, mouth to mouth, yes, mouth to ear you can’t. It’s impossible. It’s only according to the person who is doing, in him are these things revealed and he can implement it.
46. S. (01:38:58) Everything that is going on now it sounds like we now need to choose a new government may it now be for the time being, may it be Bnei Baruch, the government of Bnei Baruch according to completely new standards of bestowal and how in practice are we supposed to care for one another and it’s a tremendous project.
R. I agree with you a hundred percent that that’s what we need to do and except for that not only to organize it that it will be written on a piece of paper but to implement it in our life at least in our organization with hope that it will spread to all of humanity. You write it, you know how to write it correctly and send it to me.
47. S. (01:40:10) Naturally up until now the center of the organization and the spiritual center came from Petach Tikva and this is what the world focused on, on Petach Tikva, do you think that this is how it needs to be in the future too or should the representation of these ten friends should it be spread throughout the entire world?
R. Question again?
S. Naturally up until now the focus all the organization and the spiritual center it all came from Petach Tikva and the eyes of the world Kli were set on Petach Tikva. Do you think this is how it needs to be in the future too or the representation of those ten friends that these ten friends should be from the entire world?
R. That has nothing to do with spirituality because spirituality has no place. It could be the whole world but naturally for now whoever’s in Petach Tikva is more connected to the life of the inner organization than people that are physically distant even though I see that it's starting to get more and more blurry and soon I hope it'll just be erased, that's it.
S. So when we choose should we choose from all the friends in the world or to the contrary, what do you recommend?
R. It doesn't matter where a person lives. It matters as much as he's aimed towards the goal, as much as he's devoted to the goal, as much as he's in contact with the friends that are connected to that matter, that's what's important, nothing but that, but still look how these people are able to activate and work.
48. S. (01:45:40) Rav asked us to continue discussing and scrutinizing what we talked about up until now during the lesson and so let's gather in our tens and talk about the ideological ten that Rav talked about throughout the lesson, by which criteria do we need to choose the friends, let’s help each other scrutinize these things and by what we got from Rav, and also during the day a questionnaire will be sent out in which every friend will be asked to fill names of the ten friends that he thinks should be in this ideological group according to Rav's words. So please now let's go to scrutinize further, scrutinize these things in the tens.
Workshop Question: We summarize the lesson in the ten and clarify the essence of the ideological ten that Rav talked about during the lesson.