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Daily Lesson (Morning) April 26, 2025.
Part 2: Baal HaSulam. Shamati, 20. Lishma [for Her sake]
Reader: We will be reading the article “Lishma [for Her sake]”. This is from Shamti, Shamati article from Baal HaSulam, from the articles of Shamati Article 20, Lishma.
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Reading: (00:36) Baal HaSulam. Shamati, 20. Lishma [for Her sake]
I heard in 1945
Concerning Lishma [for Her sake]. In order for a person to obtain Lishma, one needs an awakening from above, as it is an illumination from above and it is not for the human mind to understand. Rather, he who tastes, knows. It is said about this, “Taste and see that the Lord is good.”
Because of this, upon assuming the burden of the kingdom of heaven, one needs it to be in utter completeness, meaning only to bestow and not at all to receive. If a person sees that the organs do not agree with this view, he has no other choice but prayer—to pour out his heart to the Creator to help him make his body consent to enslaving itself to the Creator.
Do not say that if Lishma [for Her sake] is a gift from above, what good is one’s overcoming and efforts, and all the remedies and corrections that he does in order to achieve Lishma, if it depends on the Creator? Our sages said about it, “You are not free to rid yourself of it.” Rather, one must give the awakening from below, and this is considered “prayer.” Yet, there cannot be a real prayer if he does not know first that without prayer it cannot be obtained.
Therefore, the acts and remedies he does in order to obtain Lishma create the corrected Kelim [vessels] in him that want to receive the Lishma. Then, after all the actions and the remedies he can pray in earnest since he saw that all his actions did not help him whatsoever. Only then can he make an honest prayer from the bottom of his heart, and then the Creator hears his prayer and gives him the gift of Lishma.
We should also know that by obtaining Lishma, one puts the evil inclination to death. The evil inclination is called “receiving for one’s own benefit.” By obtaining the aim to bestow, one cancels the self-benefit. Putting to death means that one no longer uses one’s vessels of reception for oneself. And since it is no longer active, it is considered dead.
If one considers what one receives for his work under the sun, he will find that it is not so difficult to submit himself to the Creator, for two reasons:
One must strain oneself in this world in any case, whether one wants to or not.
During the work, too, if one works Lishma, he receives pleasure from the work itself.
It is as the Sayer from Dubna said about the verse, “You did not call Me, Jacob, for you labored about Me, Israel.” It means that he who works for the Creator has no labor. On the contrary, one has pleasure and elation.
But he who does not work for the Creator, but for other goals, cannot complain to the Creator that He is not giving him vitality in the work, since he is working for another goal. One can complain only to the one for whom he works, to give vitality and pleasure during his work. It is said about him: “They who make them shall be like them, every one who trusts them.”
Do not be surprised that when one assumes the burden of the kingdom of heaven, when he wants to work in order to bestow upon the Creator, he still feels no vitality at all, and that this vitality would compel one to assume the burden of the kingdom of heaven. Rather, one should accept it coercively, against his better judgment. That is, the body does not agree to this enslavement, why the Creator does not shower him with vitality and pleasure.
The reason is that this is a great correction. Were it not for this, if the will to receive had agreed to this work, one would never have been able to achieve Lishma. Rather, he would always work for his own benefit, to satisfy his own desires. It is as people say, that the thief himself yells, “Catch the thief!” and then you cannot tell which is the real thief in order to catch him and reclaim the theft from him.
But when the thief, meaning the will to receive, does not find the work of accepting the burden of the kingdom of heaven tasteful, since the body accustoms itself to work against its will, one has the means by which to come to work only in order to bring contentment to his Maker, since his sole intention should be only for the Creator, as it is written, “Then shall you delight yourself in the Lord.” Thus, when he served the Creator in the past, he did not sense any pleasure in the work. Rather his work was compulsory.
But now that he has accustomed himself to work in order to bestow, he is rewarded with delighting in the Creator, and the work itself renders him pleasure and vitality. This is considered that the pleasure, too, is specifically for the Creator.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (10:07) He writes here, he writes that through the actions and remedies he performs to be rewarded with Lishma, corrected vessels form in him, which want to receive Lishma. Yes, what are the corrected vessels through which he turns to the Creator? Prior to receiving the Lishma, what are the corrected vessels?
M. Laitman: Before he received Lishma, he didn't have corrected vessels. But the first vessels that can appear in the state of Lishma, he feels that they can be, in order to bestow, only for the benefit of the Creator. And with that, he enters Lishma.
Student: What motivates the person to perform all the actions by which to be granted true prayer? Meaning, a person reaches a state where he's willing to do everything. What motivates him to do everything? What pushes him in that direction?
M. Laitman: The truth is, it's not in all human beings, but in a very small part of them, a desire awakens, a need appears to be in Lishma, and only those people feel that what they have is not sufficient, and they truly want, they feel that they have a true lack to reach Lishma.
Student: So, it's a special soul?
M. Laitman: It's a special soul.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (13:02) The Creator gives one the need to annul himself, to take upon himself the burden of the Kingdom of Heaven, and he awakens. Why then is there this difficulty that doesn't allow one to actualize it? He gives one a strong desire, a need, but the implementation, well, it stops on that level of awakening, which is, it doesn't stop.
M. Laitman: But he gives that to the person.
Student: Yes, but the practical application, as he says, many exertions, he labored about me, Israel, and so on. He writes the whole story in the article.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: But one doesn't succeed in receiving Lishma, but the Creator maintains his awakening.
M. Laitman: The Creator wants to receive from him a real prayer, a true need, that he wants it. And so, as much as he can, in a state where he hasn't received any awakening yet, by the true definition, true illumination that he truly wants Lishma. And still, he demands that from the person.
Student: So, what precision does he give us, according to this article, so we will really have the real need, the real prayer? What precision should he make in his litany, in his plea?
M. Laitman: The person needs to reach a precise feeling that, within that feeling of Lishma, he has no involvement with other desires.
Student: But how should that be expressed in his labor? So, there's no state of, “You did not call Me, Jacob”, so he doesn't come to that state?
M. Laitman: Only to be in Lishma. That's what he needs. He has to feel that this is the only thing he needs. And everything else, to him, is just redundant.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:39) I don't understand how, before there is awakening from above, which is what enables working in Lishma [for her sake] a person can work not with the vessels of reception. Because what enables to work is the vessels of reception that see that there is some reward here. How can we be in a state of work, in Lishma, without the vessels of reception working?
M. Laitman: That's something a person can't say in advance. He can't depict it to himself. He just wants to have such an ability, to be in Lishma, meaning receiving from the Creator what He is giving and to give back with that same desire, with that same force. That's what he wants to have.
Student: Yes, but now too, as you say, you try to describe it and I can only imagine a force that works within the vessels of reception. So, how do I even come to a state where I give up on receiving and I just want to adhere to the Creator and not to the vessels of reception, but only in Lishma?
M. Laitman: That's what a person prays for, that the Creator will organize such a state for him.
Student: And how do I come to a prayer that He will arrange that?
M. Laitman: That's in the hands of the Creator.
Student: So, until the Creator shines this light, even the prayers do not...
M. Laitman: Yes, that of course, without help from above, we cannot reach Lishma. But how to reach Lishma as quick as we can?
Student: The correct prayer too, I cannot make beforehand?
M. Laitman: No, because prayer has to be a deficiency in the same vessels in which he reaches Lishma.
Student: How to shift to these vessels, to that deficiency, how to develop it?
M. Laitman: That's the whole matter. A person has to feel as if he's lacking those vessels of Lishma. And he doesn't know exactly what to do. He hears, he reads, in his mind he understands it, but in order to implement it in feeling, that's impossible. It's not enough for him what he has already. Meaning, there needs to be a request to the Creator, exactly on Lishma, and to receive from the Creator that state of Lishma. That comes from above, by the request from man.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (20:06) We heard that the suffering comes to a person from lack of equivalence of form with the Creator. And then he understands it in his intellect, he still doesn't feel it. When he understands and tries to want to equalize in form, there's still something within him that objects, doesn't agree with it. And over, and over, and over again. How do I come to a state where I do agree to make a prayer, or the body, the will to receive, agrees to pray to the Creator? Because even the suffering doesn't lead him to that prayer.
M. Laitman: Yes, that's clear, that a person needs to feel a true deficiency for vessels of Lishma. So his time hasn't come yet to get some awakening. Sometimes he understands more or feels more, sometimes less. And this way he advances.
Student: And how does he hang on to the path, realizing that he is not the only one going through this process, that each friend goes through that process and each one is in his own place? How do we collect together the strength so that in the end we will be able to pray? Because I heard from you that without real prayer it won't happen.
M. Laitman: Yes, without prayer, for sure not. It won't, we won't come to Lishma. And with a prayer it should be a true prayer. How to reach true prayer? Only by making more and more efforts, could be a few years. But he watches over it, he constantly checks himself as much as he is advancing.
Student: How does he check how much he is advancing? According to the level of suffering or according to the level of the light that comes to him, according to his connection with the friends? How can he check his progress?
M. Laitman: He needs to try to scrutinize his desires. And that desire that pushes him to advance to Lishma, as much as that desire will constantly be the biggest of all his desires.
Student: So, in the end it shouldn't come from the intellect, but from a place where I don't care what I receive because it can be from the suffering. But in the end there has to be a request that, I don't know how to explain it, it has to come from a cleaner place, not from within the will to receive.
M. Laitman: Yes, it comes from above, from the place where the desire to Lishma comes from. It's not the desire itself to Lishma, but the deficiency for it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (24:45) He writes, and then the Creator hears the prayer and gives him the gift of Lishma [for her sake]. Afterwards he writes, you also need to know that by acquiring Lishma he puts to death the evil inclination. When he gives you a gift, what are you acquiring?
M. Laitman: Lishma, a desire that wasn't there before.
Student: You receive a gift and then what happens? With what do you pay when you get the gift?
M. Laitman: Your desire, you specifically want it to control you.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (25:42) I heard we have to come to a precise feeling without involving the desires. What does that mean? To come to feel without involving the desires?
M. Laitman: The precise feeling, as much as possible, as much as a person can recognize that he wants that new desire called Lishma.
Student: He writes that in order to connect to the Creator you have to make an introspection. What's the introspection I need to do so that the connection with the Creator will be the easiest?
M. Laitman: Meaning, all the desires that could awaken in a person, all those desires you feel, are those desires for His sake, or not? And as much as he can increase those desires in him, that's what he's directed towards.
Student: How, in the state that you just explained, how do I take the special state where the light comes from above? How do we synchronize them, where I take the Creator, who gives me that special state, and along with it, I want to go forward. How do I synchronize them?
M. Laitman: You need to depict before you that you have a desire, a special desire, that is only demanding unification with the Creator. Except for that, nothing, the rest is secondary. And then, you want to only concentrate on that, and only live in that. And that's how you keep going.
Student: That concentration you talk about, to what extent is it expressed in the connection in the Ten with the friends? Because I feel that this thing is becoming more and more expressed in the connection with the friends.
M. Laitman: There is really resistance here to this new desire, called Lishma, and to the rest of the desires that we can feel that they awaken in us. You have to keep going.
Student: That's the time to make a real prayer to the Creator.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (29:48) He writes, taste and see that the Lord is good. There are two actions here, to taste and to see. What are these operations that a person has to do? What does it mean to taste, and what is to see?
M. Laitman: To taste is what a person feels, as much as it's pleasant, tasty for him, that he's in contact with the Creator. As much as it opens a vision of where he's advancing towards, and how he's advancing, he needs to receive both from the state of Lishma.
Student: He writes about the prayer. When a child wants to ask his father, he feels the connection with the father, he sees his father. When a person has no sensation of the connection with the Creator, how can he ask of him truthfully?
M. Laitman: You need to develop it, to develop that feeling. What can you do? It's lacking in everyone.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (31:42) We want to be drawn to the gold, and we haven't this attraction, naturally. There's an awakening here and there, but it's not something intense, intensive. What does a person look like when he breaks through forward, when he erupts forward? What characterizes him? When he goes into labor pains, when he goes for it all out, what does such a thing look like?
M. Laitman: That's something you can't show.
Student: No, but internally, what does he go through? What should we be drawn to so that that state will be apparent to us, ahead of us?
M. Laitman: You can't recognize it in advance.
Student: Are there exercises we can do in order to begin such pulling? You once described it like an olive, that you press it until the seed just pops out. How do we come into more intense labor pains? Without going kind of roundabout, but strive more toward the resolution?
M. Laitman: Yes, that's the question that we need to press until we ourselves come out of that place where we were in, by pressure that we discover in ourselves. Yes. That's only by connecting together even more, and each one feels that there's...from the friends in the entire society, and in this way, in this way we advance.
Student: In what is this pressure from the society expressed? How…maybe it's internal pressure. What pressure exactly are you talking about from the society? From where do we draw this, summon this pressure?
M. Laitman: You search for it. You search for it. So, it's written in a few places that good and mercy will chase me. And it's important for a person that he will understand that specifically from that search from the pressure, he will reveal Him from within. That'll help him advance.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (36:06) It says here that a person has to accustom himself to work against his will, because otherwise the thief would be shouting “catch the thief”, and you wouldn't be able to tell one from the other, and that makes a difference. What does it mean to accustom oneself to work against one's will?
M. Laitman: That he feels that he wants something, but along with that, he can't give himself an opportunity to advance anymore and realize that desire.
Student: He wants something against his will?
M. Laitman: Yes, let's say he wants to stop smoking. So, he feels that he wants to smoke, that he's lacking that feeling that he was filling himself with a cigarette on one hand. On the other hand, he won't let himself enjoy it.
Student: But when you say that you want to quit smoking, someone told you or you told yourself the harm that there is in smoking, and that developed a new desire to be healthy.
M. Laitman: Correct.
Student: So, the desire to be healthy, you should make it stronger than the... But here, what does it mean against your will? The will to receive for himself against that?
M. Laitman: Yes, the bodily desire he has, pushes him to smoke, and the desire, a different desire, a spiritual desire, tells him that by this he causes himself damage.
Student: So, if we take it ourselves, like the desire to connect with the friends. It's often pleasant and good, sometimes not so, but usually we have a meal, we eat, we talk, we think about each other. It's not suffering, it's good. So why not, why yes? What should we refrain from? We work on the will to receive to connect with the friends, in order to connect with the Creator.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How is that against our will?
M. Laitman: Not against, you took a situation that doesn't belong to Lishma. For Lishma you have to add. Now let's say during the meal you have to think of the source of the meal, the Creator, that you need to concentrate your thoughts, your intentions, your desires only towards that.
Student: And then it has to be against the desire to enjoy the food, against the desire to chat with the friends about something else, against all that in order to concentrate, focus on the Creator. So, only here begins the resistance to the desire when you add the Creator.
M. Laitman: That's clear.
Student: Yes, because the whole article comes to that point.
M. Laitman: Correct.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (40:03) By coming to the conclusion that the whole article comes to this point, that makes me feel like we are in this carousel, that every time we come to something we find ourselves back at the starting point, because to begin with, Rabash says here that it's not within the human intellect to understand. And then he adds and says that he needs to do all kinds of operations and then come to feel that I'm not working for myself, come to a state of a real prayer, and he goes into another cycle in this carousel. And again, I'm in a state where I feel like I came back to the starting point. So, is there a state where the starting point isn't so at the beginning, and that something actually happens there that we don't understand?
M. Laitman: That you feel like you're advancing every time.
Student: Who's the one who's feeling? Every time I look for that feeling, I end up discovering that I'm at the same point. I'm working for myself. And again and again I start over and try to connect with the friends and all. We read, before the lesson, we read this article together, the Ten. And we came to that same point. In the end, I asked him, there are moments I ask myself, Who am I? What am I? Who is this me?
M. Laitman: Those are good questions.
Student: So, what do I do with this confusion?
M. Laitman: You have to scrutinize it on the path. You have to scrutinize it on the path.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (42:13) Maybe to continue, these are the first questions you always ask, and they come and renew every time. The Creator is cooking us gradually, taking us through a process, opening our awareness in stages. So, what is the need for our prayer? In the end, He puts every action in us. Everything, even the prayer, He puts in us.
M. Laitman: But when we scrutinize, what exactly are we aimed at? That's the scrutiny, or the clarification of the prayer.
Student: Why doesn't He just grow us, show us the process?
M. Laitman: Don't ask about the Creator.
Student: I'm trying to understand something on my duty. I'm trying to ask what my place is here. I understand that the Creator is working in everything, None Else Besides Him.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, what does He want from me?
M. Laitman: That, you will reach Lishma?
Student: But He is taking me through this whole process, awakening the deficiency, the prayer. He's bringing me to Lishma.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, what's my purpose here? To identify with what He's taking me through?
M. Laitman: Your role, your task, is to be in Lishma.
Student: But Lishma, it's not that I'm deciding whether I'm in Lishma or not. He writes that it's a gift from above.
M. Laitman: But scrutinizing it as much as you can, and wanting it.
Student: What's the scrutiny that I'm doing, that is really pure of me? What scrutiny is in me?
M. Laitman: A scrutiny that it depends on you, to the extent that you exert in this, invest in this, your desire, and in your work.
Student: I can't understand that point. That pure point of the person himself.
M. Laitman: The person himself scrutinizes, clarifies for himself the path to Lishma.
Student: So, I'm trying to see, why not to acknowledge the true reality that the Creator is doing everything?
M. Laitman: There is no such thing.
Student: What, there's something except for None Else Besides Him?
M. Laitman: There is.
Student: What? Who?
M. Laitman: The Creator.
Student: What do I add to the action of the Creator that is in control of me 100%?
M. Laitman: Your own desire. Make your will as His will.
Student: Make my desire as His desire. That means to agree to be under control by the Creator.
M. Laitman: Let's say. Put it this way.
Student: Is that right?
M. Laitman: Put it this way.
Student: What's the matter of the partnership with the Creator? What's the difference between being His partner and being under His control by the Creator?
M. Laitman: Partnership is when you want to be controlled.
Student: You said before that, in a very small part of people a need awakens to be in Lishma. And they feel that they're lacking to be in Lishma. Why only in a small part?
M. Laitman: That's not ours anymore. That pertains to the Creator and how He manages man.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (46:45) We say that in the end the purpose is to reach Lishma, and we say the connection between us is the condition. Now, we connect with our friends, and I can see or appreciate friends because I'm holding on throughout the years. I see the challenges, I see how the friends are persistent and they keep going, so I can value them because I have those vessels for myself. I can appreciate it, but to see them as great, I can't. As greater than me, I can't. How do you reach a state that you see your friends as great?
M. Laitman: Exercises.
Student: What exercises could you do?
M. Laitman: Depict it to yourself.
Student: What, exercises in acting and trying to do it?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And from that the feeling will come?
M. Laitman: A real one.
Student: All right. Now, in order to reach the connection that you're saying, every time, first we need to see the friends as great, do the exercises, see them as great, and then I can connect to them?
M. Laitman: No. You make them as great in your eyes.
Student: By acting, even though I don't have any emotion towards it, I have to think that they're great. I behave as if they were great on the outside - at work, with my boss, my CEO. The way I relate to him, that's how I have to relate to the friends?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (W PT 11): (48:45) What is that force of feeling that is talked about that can invert man's nature so he changes his source of pleasure from reception to bestowal?
M. Laitman: I couldn't say.
Question (Ashkelon 2): (49:08) Is the annulment towards the Creator going to be under all places, even if they're not spiritual, let's say in my family or my bodily needs - also, there is an annulment to the Creator?
M. Laitman: No.
Question (W PT 25): (49:29) What is the right relation towards the big disturbances the Creator sends in order to aim the heart to Lishma just as He wants it?
M. Laitman: The right approach, attitude.
Question (Center 1): (49:51) In order to attain true prayer, do we constantly have to be in a search for the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes. In principle, we should only be searching for the Creator and striving for.
Question (UK): (50:22) Sometimes I feel that I'm coming closer to the right prayer. How can I know that it truly is the right prayer? When you, Rav, reach the true prayer, do you get some sign from above that you're on the right way?
M. Laitman: I try.
Question (W Moscow 8): (50:53) How can we succeed in overcoming above our basic desire?
M. Laitman: By force. Rising by force. And through habit, it becomes natural.
Question (W Heb 2): (51:22) Is Lishma already - love towards the Creator?
M. Laitman: It's a... Maybe, yes. Because by this, we discover what it means to be, to have love for the Creator.
Question (W PT 11): (52:00) Working against the desire about the Congress, for many friends, it's a great overcoming to get up and come to the Congress in their area after many years of virtual connection. So, what do they gain from this overcoming against their desire, that they do decide to come physically to the Congress?
M. Laitman: I didn't understand the question.
Student: There are friends that are used to be connected virtually to the convention. But it turns out that now the convention is in their area, but it's difficult for them, they're used to do it virtually, it's hard to come physically. So, what is the gain by doing this action and coming physically to the Congress? How important is it?
M. Laitman: It may be that in a regular virtual connection, they are in the regular connection between them, and are not making an extra effort to be connected. And that's lacking.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (53:45) It's written that whoever works for the Creator doesn't have any exertion, but on the contrary, he has pleasure and uplifting.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: From what?
M. Laitman: From being connected with the Creator.
Student: And that's not exertion?
M. Laitman: It's not exertion. It is connection between the desires that have a mutual inclination to connection.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:51) Baal HaSulam gives the example of the thief, that runs and yells, “grab the thief”. Then he says that the thief is the will to receive. So what's in a person that isn't the thief? Who is that calling out for the thief?
M. Laitman: In truth, man is entirely desires to receive. The question is, to what extent does he identify these desires, admits them, and determines that they are that he received from the Creator, that he received from above, from nature. Then he wants to get rid of them.
Student: A thief wants to get rid of the will to receive?
M. Laitman: If he wants to reach something more worthy, more valuable, he wants.
Student: So, does the thief have that point, what we call a point in heart?
M. Laitman: Yes, we are only talking about this kind of thief.
Student: He writes here that if a thief, meaning the will to receive, does not feel the meaning in work to obtain the burden of heaven, because the body got used to work against the will, then he has the means to return to the work aimed to please the Creator. Does working out of habit create something new?
M. Laitman: It becomes a habit. A habit is a very special force. It is being written in man’s desires, his qualities, and with its help a person advances.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (57:27) When we once talked about a game, when the body, the will to receive was performing actions against his will, even though he is a thief, because he performs action against his desire, something new comes out of it.
M. Laitman: Exactly.
Student: What exactly is it?
M. Laitman: Something that he is not used to. There is something he is not used to, something big that he was missing and now approaching.
Student: Meaning, that by these efforts that a person performs against his will, even if they are not real or perfect and certainly not yet in order to bestow, the new Kli is being formed? Something new?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (58:37) What does it mean to awaken oneself towards Creator?
M. Laitman: When a person awakens towards the Creator from the state of an inner tension.
Student: From that inner tension, how can we as a Ten pour out our heart towards the Creator? All of our deficiencies into one.
M. Laitman: Usually it speaks about a person and not about the Ten.
Student: But the connection with the Creator is the Ten as we learn in our work.
M. Laitman: Well, not specifically. No, it's a state where a person feels himself confident and searching for a breakthrough on the path. And then he bursts out from within.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:00:05) In order for a person to be rewarded with enslaving himself to the Creator, so he has to ask. So, first ask that the body agrees, and then he has to ask to do everything for the Creator's benefit. That's always the order of the request in all states. Can we say that? To ask that the body agrees and to do everything for the benefit of the Creator. That's like a cause and effect. A person has to ask to agree and then to do everything for the benefit of the Creator.
M. Laitman: Not necessarily. Not necessarily.
Student: But it's still two kinds of requests.
M. Laitman: Yes, two kinds.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:01:14) Yesterday, our Ten met here, and we read the article from yesterday morning with the rooster and the bat, and we got into every little detail, trying to understand what the bat is, what the rooster is, how they connect between them. And we went through every word in depth, and it was really strong. And what I wanted to ask is that each one of us, let's say in my Ten, there's a thought of what faith above reason could be. Is it right to imagine what it is, to be drawn to it, even though maybe it's not exactly that, to be in some kind of imagination that it will pull you forward?
M. Laitman: Well, it's good to make efforts, and at the same time, check, are these efforts in the right direction?
Student: Let's say I have some imagination on what faith above reason is. Am I mistaking for sure?
M. Laitman: I can't tell you. You have to scrutinize it.
Student: Yes, that's clear, but let's say when you were driving towards Lishma, so how would you exactly, through what process, in order to be drawn ahead? Like an example on what could pull us ahead.
M. Laitman: What can help in this is to obtain connection between you on every level, degree, and action. This is number one. Advancing towards Lishma, sometimes, it is sometimes, we need, it is sometimes, we need I don't know what to say.
Student: Now, you said we need to connect between us, so that we know. With an addition to the connection between us, do we constantly, from this connection, need to row towards the direction of Lishma? It has to be constant as a goal in the connection.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And not to forget, because sometimes the connection between us makes us forget the direction, that central point.
M. Laitman: No, no, no, that's forbidden. The goal should be within the connection.
Student: We were talking on how every friend that speaks, even that he's speaking of the connection, he always has to remind the word Creator, that it will be before our eyes.
M. Laitman: That too.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:05:29) Could we reach a habit in praying?
M. Laitman: No. It has to emerge from within our states.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:05:51) How not to do exertion without quality in this world in order to reach Lishma?
M. Laitman: Check yourselves each time.
Student: What should I ask from the Creator in order to not get lost in exertion that isn't towards Lishma? What should I ask not to get lost in my exertion in reaching Lishma? Because He is awakening me.
M. Laitman: Ask to reach Lishma.
Student: How could we get the spirit to reach Lishma from the Ten, or is it only possible from Rav and the sources?
M. Laitman: The most certain is from the sources.