Morning Lesson June 15, 2023
Transcription is made from simultaneous translation, which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio
Part 1:
Rabash. Article No. 8, 1991. What Is, “And Abraham Was Old, of Many Days,” in the Work?
1. Rav’s Introduction: Yes, this article is also very special, there is always a question of why and when will we reach it and discover it and the Creator will be revealed. And here he explains to us that this depends on the many days that we have to collect all of our impressions from all the different states that we don't even understand what it is that we are going through. But they have to go over us, just like with babies or with little children, it takes years, and they don't know what is happening with them, but bit by bit, all of the right impressions from life are accumulated in them and then they begin to be wise and they understand, and in this way they are also safe, protected. And this is how we get the permission to enter the feeling of the upper world and we can understand our spiritual life. But actually we need to understand that each and every day we are on the way to it and everything also depends on our participation. So please.
Reading Article (02:17) “It is written in The Zohar, a poor and wise child..”
2. S. (38:27) A big part of the article Rabash explains that a descent needs to be felt as suffering. He even mentions that if he doesn't feel suffering it is not called a fall or a descent and now at the end it is not just like that, when he comes nearer then he will feel the importance. Now in the article he says, you don't even need ascents, a person himself can actually relate to the ascent like a descent in time, something doesn't connect for me?
R. What we have to go through, ascents, descents, descents, ascents, however the question is, how do we get from them all together the right impression? What does it mean to get closer to the Creator, to the group, to the friends, the society, humanity in general, and how do I determine through our work with the group that I am going to get closer? This is what we learn and this is what he explains to us here.
3. S. (39:55) What are ascents and descents actually?
R. Ascents and descents, is that we determine as much as it seems to us that we are close to the Creator or far away from Him.
4. S. (40:14) What prayer is more, prayer from a descent or prayer from an ascent?
R. Out of the state of where I ask for correction in order to bestow to others, and by these to resemble the Creator and come closer to Him.
5. S. (40:42) If a person has not felt the true ascent for some time does it say something about the work?
R. No. I wouldn't say so. That the states of a person indicate something about his way. Usually, of course this is how it is, how we think and determine it, but it could be that it’s incorrect.
6. S. (41:27) Why do Kabbalists say that every descent is actually an ascent?
R. Because in order to rise towards corrections, we have to go through many descents and ascents, ascents and descents and collect them all together and make them altogether the right summary on our way.
7. S. (42:00) Who is a wise disciple, how do we become wise disciples?
R. A wise disciple is one who learns from the Creator; the Creator is called Wise.
8. S. (42:10) Rabash gives the advice that when a person is in an ascent he should make a calculation about the previous descents. What does that give a person and how does that advance us toward spirituality?
R. While a person is in an ascent; which means that he has the ability to feel his true state, what he had before, what he went through relative to what he has now. And, therefore he can decide from the state where now he is closer to the light, to the Creator, what is it that he should do, how should he advance onwards?
9. S. (43:12) How do I protect myself from falling to the Klipot? So that nothing will fall to the Klipot?
R. We cannot say in advance that these are the Klipot and that this is the Kedusha, we cannot. However, what we can do is to be as much as possible in adhesion with society, with the group; this is what the Kabbalists recommend to us and it is written about it in many places how not to fall, that is clear to us. And in that there are also quite a few conditions and we need to feel them but this is the work: To be connected to the environment and along with the environment to try to move together with them.
10. S. (44:31) It is written that the Malchut is the governance of the world according to the deeds of people. What does it mean?
R. That Malchut is the will to receive in the ten Sefirot and as much as these desires to receive come closer between them and surrender before the upper force; then they receive out of it their spiritual degree, the qualities of Malchut. Therefore, this is how we take into consideration the degree of the Partzuf, the degree of the person.
S. Is this connected to the actions?
R. Yes.
S. Because we learn that everything depends on the intention.
R. Yes.
S. It is written that, from the descents a person receives the letters, how to consider that which the creator brings him near? What is the meaning, that he receives the letters?
R. The letters mean signs. Ot, letter, is a sign; that a person gets all kinds of signs, indications from his work, from his experience, and from that he already acquires understanding and feeling and experience. As it is written, “there is none so wise as the experienced.” And this is how one can advance, when he has enough experience; just like with a little child, the more he acquires experience in his life, his short life, accordingly, we also relate to him and we trust him. That's how it is.
11. S. (46:38) He writes here that the work of faith is a daily work that every day he needs to ask for faith. What is this thing that everyday you are working on the faith?
R. A day is something that is not quite clear, what does it mean each and every day? Maybe half a day or quarter of a day but rather I need to see that I am in the same increasing relation to the connection with the friends and the connection with the Creator as I had before in the same direction.
12. S. (47:33) Can the level of a person be measured with his ability to keep the gap between ascent and descent, between light and darkness; meaning, not to be in one state but always in both of them.
R. No. Whatever a person is given he is giving either a feeling of ascent or descent, you can call it light or darkness directly and also you need the opposite matter. We cannot accordingly determine exactly what is happening. If it happens right now according to my state I just need to know one thing I need to try to constantly be in an ascent, to try of course;meaning, to feel myself that I want, that I can or maybe I cannot but I make efforts to be even closer to the Creator through the group
S. What is it to seek deficiencies? Are we talking about the length of time? So he's giving us two states: one that prolongs time which is the old foolish King, which elongates time and there is the opposite where as a youth he merits prolonged time. You understand? So these two states are the same states of prolonged time but from two different directions?
R. Well, we will scrutinize this.
13. S. (50:10) He writes here that while he is in the state of ascent, if he is a wise, he doesn't wait and he wants to receive the importance of the state of nearing the Creator then he begins to depict to himself. I didn't really understand what is this Kli that he wants for himself only if he is wise, what is it?
R. What does he feel in the present state of being close to the Creator.
S. How does that impact the person if we learn that the person is a desire or a vessel of reception, of sensation, how does that influence a person? A state where he can depict a brain in him, a mind in him?
R. What do you mean what influences him?
S. He says that he starts to depict to himself what a state of descent is and if it is something that he can depict in his mind that can influence his will to receive will something change?
R. Of course, it depends on how he depicts it.
S. How can you use this advice that we received in this place, that the person needs to depict for himself?
R. A person should depict to himself that he is in the state of either an ascent or, let's say descent.
S. I'm sitting here and I depict to myself how terrible it is to be in a state of descent. What does this give me?
R. It gives you the possibility to get to know the bad, the evil that you were in right now and to try to rise, to make an effort, to pray and make an effort, an effort to rise to a better state.
S. And what does he write about the fact that he gains time by doing so?
R. Because he does it by himself. He does not wait for the Creator to start the work to do it on him to show him that state but rather he himself establishes the state as bad.
S. We can use this Kli not just by depicting ourselves in a descent, we can depict to ourselves the importance of the friends that we don’t see.
R. But he thinks about that.
S. You can use this Kli to depict other things as well?
R. Yes.
14. S. (52:38) I understood that the whole point in the descent is that I disconnect and that from this disconnection I benefit something.
R. The descent is good and it is intended for us to disconnect from our will to receive.
S. How is it that I depict to myself that the descent brings me something?
R. You can depict the descent by yourself even though you are not in it yet, you will depict it so that you will want to disconnect from the present state and ask the Creator for correction or illumination so that it will save you and elevate you.
15. S. (53:42) What of the ascents and descents does the Creator do and what do we do?
R. Again.
S. What of the descents and ascents do we do and what does the Creator do?
R. We do not have any control over the descents and ascents, they come to us from the Creator; however, in all of the states we want to determine that I want to be in adhesion as much as I am capable of.
S. Adhesion is to say that there's none else besides Him and that he does everything?
R. Yes and to be adhered to Him. Yes, that’s it, to try to do that in each and every state.
16. S. (54:23) You said that the descents are for us to disconnect from our will to receive. Question: when we are in a state of ascent and we feel it in our will to receive, but when we try to depict ourself in a state of descent while we are in an ascent is that also from our effort to disconnect ourself from the will receive? Because the will to receive is the state of the ascent and we are operating in order to create a state of descent during that so we're also disconnecting from our will to receive?
R. Ye, we can.
17. S. (55:08) What is the renewal of the moon in our path?
R. The renewal of the moon is the new month. It is called the new month or new or renewal, resumption, that in that we ask to have a new relation for the work between us and with the Creator.
S. But here he says the more I stay tight to the Creator I don't have the forces each time I need to have the forces to overcome each time so what am I actually doing in this action?
R. That the moon when it reaches the hiding of the moon, we realize that from this moment on we can start to grow, because we belong or pertain to the moon.
S. Is it connected if we can say in drawing each time it’s light by me asking for the force to overcome?
R. Yes, yes of course.
18. S. (56:32) Can you please explain how a person can examine himself when he is in a descent?
R. Usually it is according to how the person feels. If he can justify the Creator and bless him and feel that the friends are close to him, and that he wants to help them, support them, and in this way to advance up to the end of all of his corrections it is considered that he is in an ascent and the opposite of that is a descent.
19. S. (57:37) We heard many times when a person sees a great difference between ascent and descent and specifically there the Creator is revealed for them. I don't remember if we read such a thing in the writings of Baal HaSulam and Rabash. What happens there, why specifically in that place after all the ascents and descents intensify each time, so what exactly happens there, what is the qualitative change that takes place there?
R. Let's continue and we will see. Let's continue and we will see.
S. Abraham as the old one is going, searching how to ascend. Why is it specifically about Abraham that is written about this old one?
R. I don't know what to tell you. Abraham symbolizes the group that is composed of the whole of humanity that is advancing towards the Creator. He is the head of this group called Yahar Kel, straight to the Creator.
20. S. (59:17) In the last paragraph of the text it said before the state of ascent is lost, he looks at it as if he already lost it. Is this something that we can compare to I awaken the dawn and not the dawn awakens me, can we compare it to that?
R. It's close, but it's not the same thing. Try to think more about it.
S. Can we always preserve this search just like an old man seeks something on the ground and always looks for deficiencies?
R. Yes, this is how we need to search, meaning what of our qualities can be used in order to get closer between us and to the Creator.
21. S. (01:00:55) Why is it mentioned that in our prayers Abraham, Aaron, and all the patriarchs, why are they put in their prayers? Why is that?
R. These are not people, but rather these are qualities that we need to discover. We do discover them in the building of the group. In each and every group and each and every ten, when we walk on the path we scrutinize these discernments Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Aaron, Moses, Joseph, David, etc., so these are not people, these are names.
22. S. (01:02:03) Is it okay to always want to be in an ascent, even though our work is in the ascents and descents?
R. We need to more correctly see ourselves as coming closer mutually between us and through that to the Creator.
23. S. (01:02:40) The Creator gives the person a feeling that the work is not for him. If so how can a person continue to stay on this path, in this work despite this feeling that the work is not for him?
R. Certainly this work is not for me because I'm still in order to receive. In hatred to all kinds of discernments in our world, but precisely because of this, this work is for me, so that I will correct myself and connect myself to all of the discernments that I discover in reality.
24. S. (01:03:44) It is written here that a person in a state of ascent should depict to himself what is the state of the descent in order to acquire the same vessels and then he will be able to differentiate between light and darkness. How to differentiate, discern between these two states light and darkness?
R. I think we should depict it to ourselves according to the opposite forms of what we have right now. The opposite forms, something and it's opposite as he says that a person should always go forward with something and it's opposite, otherwise he will not have any discernments.
S. For example we are connected with friends, you feel a certain connection with them, you feel a certain inner ascent, so now I need to think and depict to myself how I am being expelled and in foreign thoughts engaging in the other actions?
R. Yes, yes, you should also depict what might happen in such a way and specifically when you are connected with the friends and in the right direction of getting closer to them you should also see the opposite things. Then through the right and the left you will advance in such a way
S. This is work specific to the left side? You always taught us to not draw the left line, that we always go towards the ascent?
R. We should see the right and the left, ascents and descents, all of these things we need to see how they work on us in each and every state.
S. How to do this in some kind of common attempt in the ten, how to talk about this?
R. We will talk about this, we will talk about it.
25. S. (01:06:23) What is the meaning that the good inclination is the youth that receives charity from the Creator? What is it talking about? Is it always that way is it only in the beginning that he's a child and then he grows?
R. Yes.
S. When we want to bestow we want to be big, we don't want to remain small?
R. Let's say.
S. The article starts with it's preferred to be a poor little child than a foolish old king. How can you define this state of being a child?
R Being a child? That we can each time go forward and advance. We can feel that there are forces that are being operated on us and they want to move us forward and they want to take care of us.
26. S. (01:07:43) The person in your article asks out of the feeling, why did the Creator create this world and what is the attitude that we should have towards what we call this world?
R. This world is the environment in which through my beastly qualities I feel that I exist, from this point, from this feeling onward we begin to develop.
S. Many times as much as we are in exertion to come closer to the friends to advance on the spiritual path, this world is depicted of disturbances. There is a clash between the world, what should we correctly relate to every friend towards what he sees as a clash. Should we battle against it?
R. I do not see this world as a clash. I see in it an order and arrangement of forces, a combination of forces, to which I have to establish the right relation, that is all. They are all arranging in such a way in order to straighten me from one degree to the next degree.
S. This world actually even advances you?
R. Of course, of course, there's no doubt about that. The Creator didn’t create anything that is against, if he did it is in order for us to see that we exist in some incorrect quality and we have to move away from it.
S. Simply see sometimes friends that are trying, with power, with force to go against these phenomenas of fatigue, health, and things like that, and I feel that I need to preserve them. I am responsible for them that they should not come into harm. Do you understand what I mean? It's like that this world, I’m calling it this world, but now I understand clearly that it needs to advance us?
R. Yes and no. We need to also learn how to work against the fatigue, of the mundane, and the laziness and other such things. What should we do about it.
S. If I want to watch over a friend now that he will not go over, nevertheless there are points that later come the other way around if you overdo it, it's kind of like you’re not working correctly?
R. Best is to support him, to give them a good example. Give him an example, there’s nothing better than an example.
27. S. (01:11:22) In the beginning you said that we need to receive the right impression of what it means to come closer to the Creator with the friends. There is the state where … what is?
R. What is the right impression that we need to get from the ascents and the descents, that both of them work on us correctly and we need to combine them together in advance. It is impossible without the left or just the right foot, or the other way around.
S. Rabash writes later on that a person reaches a certain decision where he sees that no matter what he does it doesn’t matter the Creator has to help him. Then he is rewarded, the Creator gives him and then he can continue in this work. What is this thing about being rewarded?
R. Being rewarded is the Creator helps one to overcome the evil inclination.
S. And I can help the Creator in that being rewarded?
R. By only giving him all the conditions that he will help you. When you connect to the ten and you support the friends. You seemingly give the Creator an example, you give the Creator an example of what is it that you expect out of Him.
28. S. (01:13:01) What does it mean that a person before he loses his degree he already searches as though he has already lost it. I will read the quote, before he loses the state of ascent he already searches although he has lost already. What does it mean that he searches as though he already lost it?
R. He begins to work on the connection with the friends and on the ascent he tries to carry out already now while he is still in a descent.
29. S. (01:13:50) It is written, as if it is lost for him and by this he gains time, what does this mean?
R. He does not wait until he's thrown from above and until he will discover it but now he already tries to establish a state from which onward can continue to rise.
30. S. (01:14:20) What does the first response need to be from a person that he discovers that he is in a descent?
R. A prayer.
31. S. (01:14:29) What is the connection between Reshimot and ascents and descents?
R. According to the records that are in us that have already been revealed and are destined to be revealed according to these records we work in the degrees.
32. S. (01:15:01) According to what we check for the intensifying attitude of the Creator towards us, what's going on here and what do we check it with. According to what can we examine the connection with the Creator in us and what is the means that we have?
R. The means to check what we have is what we can scrutinize among ourselves in the group when we receive the data and the information and we implement it in the ten. From this we begin to ask.
33. S. (01:15:49) Is it correct to say the ascent is an ascent we get to pride or a descent is….inaudible
R. Next.
34. S. (01:16:13) No translation
R. We are not moving away from the Creator, basically we have to understand that every impression that we get in our process of learning the walk, it is in order for us to be able to understand the Creator better and better. The important thing is to continue. as it is written anything but leave.
35. S. (01:17:11) About the state of ascent does a person need to remember how he was once in a descent or in the same state to see how the descent there is something higher?
R. No, I understand it in this way in the present state which is relatively an ascent and we have to add to it a state where I remember it as a descent, and I should try to use both of them and this will be an ascent-plus.
S. Meaning to remember the previous state was a descent and to connect it to the present state?
R. Yes we need to learn from this something.
36. S. (01:18:25) If possible to scrutinize this work during the ascent because usually he writes how a person is in the state of descent then reaches a prayer when a person feels close and he needs to depict to himself in the state of a descent. The question is how to reach such an emotional depiction that will give him the same results of a real state of descent. That if I understand correctly, should have some impact to the state that he is in, that will give birth to the prayer, emotions that will give birth to a prayer?
R. Give an example.
S. A person is in the state of a descent, the system of the friends, the system of the ten, the system of the Rav?
R. Yes.
S. What does he do and what does he say to himself? Now that I'm in a descent and now I am in an ascent, some importance it's not due to me. This is what the Creator gave me, so now I have to appreciate this ascent not like a hundred shekels but like 10,000 shekels like he is giving me in the example. In the state of importance now that He brought me closer, how do I reach such a state, such an emotional impression?
R. You cannot just reach a state where you are inspired just like that by pressing on the button. You need to be inspired by getting this inspiration from the environment, from where are you going to take this inspiration?
S. First of all this is one of the challenges that during the ascent the person feels powerful because he's getting it from above and during the descent he feels like a zero and understands that he will not get support and will not get anything?
R. He is giving a decent so that in this state he will find strength.
S. Yes, it's understood because it is very emotional,
R. How does he do it?
S. This is the question: how does he reach the same discernment that he depends on the society and that without the prayer will not do anything he does not have any strength of his own. While during the ascent he is full of strength he feels by himself and is not depending on the environment because of his own strength. Now, how will he reach the same discernment of heaven and earth, meaning he cannot annul, he can’t reach a prayer, like he is the one acting?
R. So what?
S. This is the question.
R.What should he do?
S. Yes, what is the solution and what is the advice? You said that the wise one can use this?
R. I'm not exactly sure what your depiction is but I think you must annul yourself before the environment.
S. When he's in the descent we say he has no problem himself because he is already a zero?
R. He is not annulling himself, he is already in it.
S. It is not regarded as annulling, so how from a state of ascent he reaches such an emotional need of annulment that he depends on the society that he has no strength of his own?
R. Only through the study, only through the study where he feels how much he needs the light, how much he's lacking light. By study I mean he should open the book and start scrutinizing where he is and where he should be and then he will advance.
S. There's other means here to open the book because he needs to talk about it depicting to himself he is in a state of descent.
R. Yes in respect to what will he do it.
S. We talked about it that seemingly opposite that previously the state of ascent?
R. No he needs to see himself in a state of descent compared to the state of ascent.
S. Now he is in an ascent, he opens the book?
R. In the ascent?
S. Yes we're talking about the work in the ascent he opens the book, what does he see there that will not bring him the prayer and the annulment?
R. He wants to understand the state that he is in to the very last detail where he is what it means etc.
S. And the book will help him with that?
R. Where else can he take the details from?
S. What he is describing to himself was how he was yesterday, with the lack of importance?
R. I don't think you can really get into yesterday, let's say he did get into yesterday and sees that yesterday he was on the lesser degree than today, then what.
S. How does he reach such an emotional depiction that brings him to prayer and annulment?
R. Compared to now, is he in a better state or a worse state?
S. Better.
R. How can he pray?
S. That is the question.
R. Very simple he needs to turn to the friends, the whole correction is only to the extent that I am adhered to the society and by that I correct my personal state.
S. How do I come to a state where he needs the friends and I he's dependent on the friends and he annuls?
R. But if he sees that he can do anything?
S. He doesn’t feel that he can’t do anything, on the contrary he feels that he has importance?
R. Can he help the society?
S. What’s that?
R. It’s a must. Can he be incorporated in the society, can he help the society.
S. I guess he can, but he can only do it without a prayer because he has importance now.
R. There's nothing that can be done according to what you're describing there's nothing that can be done but it will pass in a few minutes, maybe a little bit longer he will feel that he is actually empty.
S. That’s clear, that is what is happening, then he does not use this state?
R. He can't he can no longer use the state that he is in now.
S. How to do it because here he says that it's possible, he says that if someone is wise he can depict during the ascent how the descent was and will gain some time?
R. This is depicting to himself it's not like it will give him real powers to advance.
S. What is the advice for advancement during the ascent?
R. Only work together with the ten and turning to the Creator because you are in an ascent.
S. What is the work in coming closer to the ten and turning to the Creator during an ascent?
R. You’re asking for more strength because you want to strengthen everyone and you want to raise everyone, you want to embrace everyone and raise him to the Creator on your hands.
S. How do I do it really from prayer, from forces that are not on my own?
R. Only if you turn to the Creator, only if you turn to the Creator?
S. You said that there's more advice about opening the book and measure myself according to that, what is that addition?
R. It is for you to know what situation you are in.
S. No matter where I open a book? what do I ask myself what is the work in front of the book
R. With your eyes shut.
S. I open myself and what do I ask myself, what is the work in front of the book?
R. Read whatever opens up.
S. How from that do I reach the advantage of light from darkness?
R. You will see what you're reading, try it, try it.
37. S. (01:29:07) By depicting a state of a descent during an ascent we are justifying the Creator for our previous state?
R. Yes.
S. Then when we actually depict it, we are inviting this reminder from him, it's like sort of a prayer.
R. Yes.
38. S. (01:29:49) Rabash is showing us the state when a person is always active, always in a demand even when he has a descent or ascents and he learns from it and advances until he accumulates to be that elder. The question is usually I feel that we are in a struggle of against the indifference to even stay in the game, to stay in the demand to the Creator, to even recognize the center of the descent and usually it is just we are blurred out. Like agreeing with the state. How to come out of this agreement because here he is always active, there's drama there's an ascent, descent and you are in this dialogue with the Creator.
R. So?
S. He doesn't write about a state that I feel that we are in most of the time, the intermediate state, where the Creator kind of blurs you out and then you just wear out.
R. I do not see it this way, I also don’t understand why you feel, because here and there I sometimes hear such feelings of despair, of powerlessness, low spirits, why, why? If it happens sometimes this I understand. I saw them in people who were in spiritual degrees. it has to be descents and ascents, but not that it continues for so long. No. You need to be ready for these things and in advance prepare yourself for them for such descent and the spirit in the society has to be such that you can constantly refuel yourself.
39. S. (01:32:27) I want to summarize what a friend asked a lot about. A person gets a descent, so there's two things: one, he does not get it for himself, nothing in life, he gets it for the ten, it’s for the collect?
R. Yes.
S. So now he has to awaken, strengthen the ten as much as he can, because otherwise what did he do, what did he get it for?
R. Correct.
S. So that was the first thing. Second in order to encourage the ten he has to feel where the friends are, where was he a minute ago. If he won’t depict where he was before, how can you turn to them, what just to make them happy? It does not work like that. He has to feel them, he has to be with them, he has to raise them, so a moment ago he was in such a state. In order not to lose it, he has to open the book and understand from the book the general state of him and society and everything. I'm just trying to summarize what we heard from what you answered my friend. Meaning the state of an ascent is a great opportunity to pass it to the friends and scrutinize it with the book where we really are.
R. Okay fine.
40. S. (01:34:06) First it's important to emphasize that there's a lot of happiness from reading the Rabash articles and also during the day when we meet. Don't get the feeling, God forbid that we're in a descent, right, there are states but still, I would like to ask you a personal question because he speaks about the renewing of the moon and when we walk on the path and sometimes the questions of the intellect grab you and the brain grabs you and asks you about spiritual things. How did you, if you can give us an example, how from your brain you took it to above reason?
R. We need the brains and the intellect in order to understand simply what is written. Like a camera, like a photographic machine, copying machines like xerox, but afterwards we need to work on it in our heart. To pass it from the eyes to the mind to the heart and to begin to feel the situation that he is describing, this I understand.
41. S. (01:35:48) The states of ascents and descents in a person, a person can think that he is in an ascent or descent and the opposite and a person in attainment he observes the states. Like sometimes in the Preface or in TES it's written that there's AHP of the upper one and all kinds of states that you can feel darkness, but you actually are entering a high degree in an ascent. You are in concealment, you don't know where you are and when we read this and flow with the Kabbalist that are going through all these states?
R. In other words your question is how can I say about the situation I am in is a descent or ascent.
S. Yes.
R. Okay it's a question for everyone.
42. S. (01:37:16) I'm just inspired by what you said before that I would like to hear more about.
You said that when you connect to the ten and you support the friends you're giving the Creator an example of what you are expecting from him?
R. Well let's drop it for now.
43. S (01:37:46) is the descent falling into the desire of the upper one and he explains that when you feel the desire of the Creator and you search for his next desire?
R. You can put it this way but it is already half philosophy.
44. S. (01:38:30) He writes that he asks the Creator to bring him closer and he believes that he hears his prayer and what did the person get for his prayer? That he thinks that after the prayer he will get in the ascent more than the state that he's in during the prayer and at the end, the Creator gave him a worse state. The question is how can a person pray for a friend or himself that will bring him closer if to begin with he knows that the result of the prayer will be that the Creator gave him a worse state?
R. The Creator gives each and every one worse states so that a person will learn how to come out of it.
S. Does it disturb a person that before an action he can ask and turn to the Creator?
R. If he is a correct person then he is not impressed by the Creator throwing him so he will come out of there.
S. It does not disturb him from asking for the friend, Creator bring my friend closer and he knows that it will give the friend a worse state?
R. No.
45. S (01:40:14) We learned all these years and also today that in order to rise, so during the ascent we need to connect to society and be like a mother searching how to do more good for the baby?
R. Yes.
S. We also learned that in the state of ascent we have to learn to remember the state of descent and along with that we justify the Creator. How do we decide how to act, when do we decide this, when do we decide that?
R. In truth I don't really understand the content of your question, maybe we will be able to hear it from other groups.
S. You said that during an ascent in order to rise even more so at the time we have to connect to the society and think how I can add more connection and do more good to society. In the article we read that during an ascent we have to remember the descent we had and that will help us rise even more. During an ascent how do we know how to work and give more adhesion to the society or remember the state of the descent?
R. Always to increase adhesion with the society, always towards more adhesion with the society.
46. S. (01:42:03) What does it mean in each and every prayer the Mochin enter and after the prayer they depart and with each new prayer the new Mochin come. What is this influence of the Mochin and how can we maximize that in the ten?
R. It is through the common relationship between us and the Creator this is how we awaken the Mochin, the upper light that influences our vessels.
47. S. (01:43:13) We know that in every state we have to experience it as something new, why does Rabash invite us to imagine a descent, isn't it dangerous that we will leave the true world that the Creator is building for us?
R. Again.
S. When we live the ascents and descents and the opposite, so we live in a world that is not what the Creator sends us but we imagine it?
R. I do not know what he is saying, who understands what he's asking?
S. We talked about it a few times, that I have to look back at the descent I had in order to remember what was there in order to know how to behave now in the ascent?
S. He is saying this, we know that we have to see every state as something new, so why does the Rabbash invite us to depict a state that we were in descent?
R. Why does he do it?
S. Why does Rabash say instead of seeing every state as new, why do you remember something that has happened in the past?
R. Then you will see how the Creator operates on you, very simple how the Creator operates on you.
48. S. (01:45:06) When a person gets a descent, that his desire for spirituality is taken from him for a long time, and a person tries and makes efforts to adhere to the society and can't do anything with it. Eventually his forces leave him and he agrees with the state and it's a state that the Creator took his desire and he agrees to it, is that right?
R. Of course not, a person has to continue no matter what, as an ox to the burden and a donkey to the load even though he doesn't feel he has no emotions and the group has to help. The group has to help.
49. S. (01:46:15) You gave us advice to read the sources when you're in an ascent. Can we connect all this together that the moment a person reads the sources, he can see such an exalted state that compared to this ascent, he discovered that he's in a low state compared to the state when he reads and then he connects the feeling from the descent and it gives him fuel to advance.
R. Okay, try and tell us later.
50. S. (01:47:11) I understand that also the ascent and also the descent come for our benefit to advance, so how can we use them in the best way to advance correctly?
R. Always adhere to the Creator a through the group and direct all that towards the purpose of creation to complete adhesion between everyone.
51. S. (01:48:13) Usually we say that we need to imagine that we already have the force of bestowal, that we are in a corrected society for revelation. Here there's like an innovation Rabash wants us to imagine a state of descent, so what does it mean that we always need to be in fear.?
R. He says we have to see the society corrected and perfect, so what does it mean to depict a state of assent, meaning a fear towards that state that I won't see the society as whole and complete?
R. We will check ourselves.
52. S. (01:49:39) About this scrutiny a friend started, Rabash covers all the possibilities here in order to take advantage of the time and the maximum way. Now when a person is in an ascent, he feels on the clouds?
R. Yes.
S. On that state he can first of all also bring forces to the ten and to everybody, he can do a lot of things in parallel?
R. Yes.
S. He can also depict the state of a decent even from the state of greatness. He understands that he is just a grain of sand in that state. He can depict it and go back to depict the descent while he's in a ascent and already start praying from that grain of sand, from I'm so small even when I'm in ascent and already depict this like a preparation for the descent to come?
R. We shouldn't think about the descent that will come, this is the wrong approach, only about the ascent.
S. Yes of course just ascents but in order to plan an additional ascent?
R. Okay Okay.
53. S. (01:51:47) During a descent a person supposedly loans forces of bestowal from the Creator and during the ascent he has to repay his debt. Does a person determine the sum he has to give it back or just give everything?
R. A person needs to work with all his might in order to receive in order to bestow. In other words both in reception and in bestowal and everything he can he has to bestow.
S. Is there a state that a person starts feeling that the gift?
R. Yes of course that's exactly to receive an order to bestow.
54. S. (01:53:06) When can the ten scrutinize an experience like an ascent or descent, what are the criteria to understand when a descent harms and when it is useful?
R. He needs to sit with the friends and discuss it, it will be clear to them what state they are in.
S. That's what he asked so it doesn't matter whether I am in an ascent or a descent, we have to scrutinize both?
R. Both are good.
55. S. (01:53:47) Can we say that the old man who was walking bent looking for where he is not whole with the ten, the allegory about the old man looking at the floor?
R. He's searching.
S. Right so he's searching whether he's incomplete?
R. Right, that's why he's searching.
56. S. (01:54:11) Do I need to be happier when I'm in a descent then when I'm in an ascent?
R. No, I need to be where I measure my state as much as I am connected to the group and in the connection in it and from its connection in it we are all aiming ourselves to connect to the Creator.
57. S. (01:54:40) During an ascent we should always look at those who didn't ascend who are suffering because they didn't receive light and this way feel their pain?
R. Yes.
58. S. (01:55:12) He writes here that the good and bad have to be balanced and how do we come to this?
R. Obviously now we can't but later if we're aiming it in order to bestow, so what does it matter if it is good or bad, the main thing is that we are aiming it in order to bestow.
S. The ascents and descents are only for this?
R. Yes, that's correct.
59. S. (01:55:52) How from the ascent and descents do we learn to be similar to The Creator, how through the ascents and descents does He teach us to be similar to Him?
R. We want to be in adhesion without taking our private state into account, ascents, descents it doesn't matter, the main thing is that we're drawn towards the Creator.
S. By projecting the personal states to the state of the ten by emerging from the personal state to the state of the ten or the society do we become similar to The Creator in some way by this?
R. Well it depends what states, but actually yes.
S. I'm talking about the general direction not about the specific state?
R. The tendency I have means that I have to use every state to bring the Creator closer to everyone.
S. What do we learn from this by going over His operations, His actions?
R. He's giving us an opportunity to always take help from them.
S. In other words everything that happens in life is an opportunity to come closer to the society?
R. Yes.
60. S. (01:57:16) We should look back and see how the Creator operates on you but we read we mustn't look back like Lots’ wife?
R. Doesn't matter, in order to learn how to look ahead, sometimes you have to look back.
61. S. (01:57:55) Tell me please how do I work with the intellect when it begins to interfere and gives me automatic answers, He tells me things I don't want?
R. You have to listen to the friends more and then you won't have problems.
62. S. (01:58:12) Right means wholeness, according to this text so what does left mean and is it a combination of the two and can it be regarded as Hochma, what is the left?
R. Yes, combining the two Hassadim and Hochma, it lets the light of Hochma clothe in the vessels in the will to receive.