“Secrets of the Eternal Book”

Video program with

Dr. Michael Laitman and

director and screenwriter Semen Vinokur

Part 5, Chapter "Bereshit"

SV : Hello , dear friends . With you today, program "Secrets of the Eternal Book ." We're talking about the “mysteries of the Pentateuch”

SV : We are revealing these secrets, being engaged into analyzing this fascinating topic with the Kabbalist scientist , Professor Michael Laitman . Hello.

ML: Hello.

SV : We leave the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were exiled from the Garden of Eden .

SV : I‘d like to request , if possible , to start our conversation , with an explanation of what is this Garden of Eden feeling in me, in person .

ML: Well, of course it is in person. It didn’t happened to some people who, actually, suddenly fell from the sky on our land and crushed on it. In fact, it doesn’t even happen in a person, but in the fetus in us. Since Adam and Eve and all the characters described to us in the Eternal book. It tells us what exists within us, which properties exist within us. These properties have descended into our current state from the higher spiritual qualities, when they worked for bestowal, for love, for something external regarding to self. This condition was called paradise.

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SV : Paradise is a state of bestowal?

ML: It is a state of bestowal. State of love . State of absolute independence from their own egoism.

SV : So that is the feeling of the Garden of Eden ?

ML: Yes. When a person feels that he is free from his ego. We can’t even imagine it. You know, like a child who was born in prison, he has no idea that there is something else.

SV : Do we live in a prison?

ML: Indeed, we're in jail, of course. In our own selfishness, in this cell. We obey it, not even realizing that we are absolutely enslaved by it.

SV : Is this our life now? In prison?

ML: Yes. The story tells us that, in fact, that we came out from completely different qualities, as if from another world, from the hidden part of the universe. We fell into this part of the universe; it is not a physical fall, but a qualitative one, of our qualities. Our qualities has turned over, and, as a result of this inversion, we came to be as we are today. There for this state is called a descent or an exile from paradise. Where to? To this cruel land. Land, earth comes from the word “Eretz". "Ratzon” comes from the Hebrew word “desire”. We fell into these selfish desires. Therefor our current existence is experienced as selfish desires. Egoistical desires that constantly evolve. Their purpose is to lead us to an awareness that we can no longer exist in these qualities. So, we would wish to get rid of them.

SV : How can we refuse what’s best and receive what’s worst? This is…

ML: No. We are only talking about the qualities, there is no person yet, no body, not even a state which can be called a world, our world, the whole world which we imagine it to be. Rather a desire created by the Creator, which senses itself within the qualities of bestowal. It senses itself and the Creator. Meaning, the self and the fulfilment from the upper. With the light. When suddenly, it changes its qualities inverse, instead of bestowal and love to selfish consumption, to sucking inwards the self, then suddenly it starts to feel like, you know like those black stars, black holes, that cannot even emanate anything, all inwards, sucking all the energy in them – and this is similar to our egoism. As soon as this great desire, which was initially created from the bestowal similar to Creator, became to be receiving, sucking towards self. Immediately, it began to sense itself in a state that is called "our world " or " hell".

SV : Oh, wow, what a comparison !

ML: That's all. Immediately, all the magnificent picture of the creation (the Creator and I in the infinite light), turned in to a closed micro image of our universe and our world, me and you and all of us here on this little planet, and it all delusions itself to us in its spoiled, egoistic desire. If this desire changes inversely again to bestowal and love, this sense of our existence in the bodies, on planet earth, in this universe, will disappear. We again will feel ourselves existing in the light of the Creator.

SV : Have we already started this way back to ourselves?

ML: Yes, of course. Practically, from our inception here, meaning, from the point of the inverse of this desire, and we began to feel our existence here, starting from this condition, we constantly go forward.

SV : That is like going back to a better state .

ML: We are not going back to it yet. We are going towards understanding of our current state of our existence here as the most vicious. Hence, from this moment on, our involuntary decision to exit it at all cost, and we will jump out of it, that is, we will change our sensations towards bestowal qualities. Naturally, our sensations will change; instead of feeling like living in the hell and sucking in, it will change into the sensation of paradise of bestowal...

SV : Of bestowal...

ML: Of bestowal, and in this way, the whole image of the universe will change. That is, all those assumptions of Einstein, Hugh Everett, and so on, all those who say that everything depends on the observer and there’s no time ,space, speed, it's all in relation to person, to the observer of the image. In fact, actually it is. We see a completely different picture. That is, instead of our world, we see the world of infinity.

SV : We’ll begin to read and explain this Eternal Book, and I still got many questions, of course.

“And Almighty God banished him from the Garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. And exiled man. And placed to the east of the Garden of Eden, angels and a flaming sword, rotating to secure the path to the tree of life."

"exiled." And it is written "to cultivate the ground from which he was taken."

ML: Yes, that is to change the desire. Earth is the desire. Eretz is Ratzon . So, that he himself comes to such a state, when he is forced to change his desires inverse, on to bestowal.

SV : So, he was banned to begin his correction?

ML: Yes, to attain his present condition and to wish for the state in which he was close to the Creator, so that he can appreciate it, to want, to desire it, in order to realize it in the proper way and to a full extent. For that reason he must evaluate it from the opposite state.

SV : One can reveal this desire as the worst .

ML: Our state today. Yes.

SV : The question is: Why at the gates of the Garden of Eden, stands an angel with a flaming sword? To guard the Tree of life? What’s his purpose?

ML: Because a man desires to receive all the pleasure from the Garden of Eden in hell.

SV : For himself .

ML: Yes, to suck into himself. In order for that not to happen , a special property of a particular obstacle is present on the way. So, only he who is able to, actually, inversely change himself, cut-off his egoism from the self - an intention for one self - he goes right through this angel, through this force, through this condition, when you obligated - it is a necessary and sufficient condition - when obliged – there is no other conditions – to cut oneself off from the intention to receive for self-benefit, and with the same desire , but without the intention, you enter into a new state , the state of the Garden of Eden, the state of bestowal. On top of that same desire, you start to receive an intention to bestow. That way you begin to feel everything in the inverse light - light of bestowal. Then you feel it all not outside of one-self, that is small, enclosed, limited, but outside of one- self, that is fully open, in infinite state. You go into another dimension. In the sensation of another dimension.

SV : By the way, what is an angel?

ML : It's a force.

SV : Angel is a force?

ML: It’s a force, yes. In this case it’s a force which helps a person to cut off their selfish intentions and start attaining their altruistic intentions. There are different angels.

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SV : Is this force present in me? In a person?

ML : No . This is an external force.

SV : External force .

ML: Yes, a person should approach it, and wish for it to act upon him.

SV : So, basically, it is a good thing for a person, that there is a guard standing in front of him of that kind.

ML: Yes, of course. It’s not that it’s a good thing or not. When a person approaches this force, he wishes for it to act upon him, to perform this correction.

SV : "And the man got to know Eve his wife . And she conceived. And gave birth to Cain. And she said: "I acquired a man with God”. And more over have birth to his brother, Abel. And Abel was a shepherd of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the soil".

What is this phrase "acquired a man with God”?

ML: Acquired a man with God, meaning, it is impossible to engender something or give birth only within the egoistic desire. Because it takes everything in and does not give anything out. Engender of anything new is based on two desires: the desire to absorb and desire to give of yourself. In this state, such as plus or minus, pressure - vacuum, hot-cold, there for the connections between these two opposites, generate the next state. So, if it was just a dead land, such as ashes consider to be, then it would not have been able to produce. We must add to this state the intention of just for myself and also an intention for the sake of someone, of something… This is the engendering, meaning I have to give birth to someone, I have to care about someone, then think. In our world in the same way we relate to the relationship of a mother to a child, as a state of love, and bestowal. This property is rooted in us from the Creator. This is the property of bestowal, which is inherently in a man, and he slowly begins to develop it. Therefore, all human development is practically a gradual development to the property of bestowal. When a person begins to realize that it is actually better than his firstborn egoistic property.

SV : So, it turns out, a woman possess a great quality of bestowal. She can give birth.

ML: A woman can give birth only from a man.

SV : Also correct.

ML: But she possesses a property of reception, which due to the fact that man connects with it. The male part, I do not mean women and men. I mean two properties. Woman is a property of reception, man is the property of bestowal. But if they can connect together, and only in this case they can produce out of themselves next degree, meaning as a result of these two properties cooperation in such a symbiotic connection, such an arrangement, which represents a new development towards more knowledge, comprehension.

SV : What does it mean there are these two properties : Cain and Abel - one shepherd , the other farmer in me?

ML: Opposing properties.

SV : Why one is a shepherd and another one is a land tiller ?

ML: These are different properties that speak of different degrees. Because the farmer is still at the stage of the vegetative, and the shepherd is already at the stage of the animate. Here, they, gradually, between vegetative and animate states, begin to work in these desires. In the vegetative and animate desires, to generate all sorts of new properties and thus, evolve. But, in fact, from the still to the vegetative, and then to the animate, and then to human. This path of development has to undergo each one of us.

SV : "And it was, after some time Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering to God. And Abel also brought of the firstlings of the flock and of their fat. And bowed God to Abel and his offering. But to Cain and his offering didn’t bow. And Cain was very frustrated. And his face wilted”

What is the reason for the inception of this hatred, if I may ask directly?

ML: It is shown that the quality of bestowal, is closer to the animate level usage, than at the vegetative. It is within us. That is within us, there is a still property, vegetative and animate. Meaning, the egoistical properties are increasingly being developed. Closer to the Creator, more useful, more necessary, more advanced properties.

SV : Animate.

ML: Yes, that why they are describing it in such a way.

SV : Is there any other way you could describe the animate properties in us? More clear.

ML : No. Nevertheless, the best way to picture that all of our desires are divided into still, vegetative, and animate. The animate desires are the most developed ones, the most selfish on our corporeal level. When a person uses even his animate egoism for the sake of bestowal, it is called a sacrifice for the Creator. Meaning, I sacrifice my most supreme desires to be like the Creator. Because the sacrifice is called my convergence with the Creator. In Hebrew, sacrifice is called "Qurban", from the word "close" –convergence, adhesion. So, of course, that if I can get closer to the Creator with my most selfish properties, correcting them, it is a higher state than using vegetative levels of properties in me. So, naturally, it is said metaphorically, that the Creator favored Abel, and not Cain.

SV : So, that's the idea behind these animals sacrificial offering? It was a desire to get closer?

ML: Yes, yes, yes. All these conventions, which are written in the Bible regarding sacrificing all sorts of offering from the fruits of the earth, of animals, and others...

SV : Degrees of adhesion to the Creator.

ML: Yes.

SV : Desires to approach Him.

ML: Yes.

SV : "And God said to Cain" From what sad are you? And from what thy face wilted? After all, if a yearn for the good, then you will be forgiven. If you do not yearn for the good, then the sin is at the door. And it will follow you. You're supposed to rule over them".

ML: Yes. That is, you're on the middle step between still and animate desire. The vegetative level, is located in the middle. So, if you yearn to advance, then your desire will come up to the animate state and now you can too bring the fruits at a higher level, like Abel. If you won’t be able to, see for yourself you can turn back. Meaning, you're still in a state where you can’t be sure that you follow the right path. You're just starting. You are on the Intermediate state. You can go both ways, here and there. The sin is at the door. Watch out not to stumble on it. That is, you can, suddenly, get out of the right direction and go back on track. Indeed, this how it turns out.

SV : Can Cain dominate this sin?

ML: Yes and no. I do not want to confuse our listeners here. Because we are trying to explain it all on the correct, but the most minimal level. Here, just like a child needs certain dosage.

SV : yes, spoon dosages.

ML: Yes. Unfortunately, it’s not as easy as just to say it. Basically, in order to go forward, a person must make mistakes every time. Every time to stumble, to sin, and only after that, to see what was done, and to correct it. And again, to stumble, to commit a sin, and to correct it over again.

SV : It's hard.

ML: How is says, there is no a righteous man in the world who did not sin, corrected himself, and turned to become righteous.

SV : It turns out that the real sinner who does not feel that he is a sinner.

ML: Yes! In fact, his paths are locked.

SV : Supposedly, righteous - locked.

ML: It basically talks, of two properties for which we are developing. One property is Abel - bestowal. And other properties of Cain – property of reception. This one and only desire from Adam and Eve is divided in to two. And so they must co-exist in parallel and develop. Both Cain’s and Abel’s properties.

SV : "And plotted Cain against Abel , his brother. And when they were in the field ... "

ML: What does it mean plotted? He now wants what Abel received. Take the same light that Abel received from correcting his state, to become closer to the Creator. Meaning, lower desires in a person want to use it for its own sake.

SV : For himself.

ML: Yes. Suppose, that through knowledge, through development, I acquired, I attained some interesting new laws, and then I have a wish to use it for my own sake, even by harming others. This is it. So, the development is called Abel, and then the use of it for one own sake, for example, a nuclear energy or other things when I use it for myself and to harm the others, is the property of Cain.

SV : So, I use chemicals , to make medicine and then suddenly start making chemical weapons, right?

ML: Yes .

SV : Or a peaceful atom transitions in to atomic destruction.

ML: Yes . This is it. When there is an achievement, it goes through the expansion, due to the property of bestowal, which is in us from the Creator. Because inanimate nature cannot produce anything, if it does not contain the sparks of light of the Creator, that is, the quality of bestowal , expansion properties. Then, use this property for yourself, as if we are to use the gift that we were given from the Creator, we become Cain.

SV : Beautiful. We become Cain. I’ll read it once again,.

:"And plotted Cain against Abel , his brother. And when they were in the field, rose up Cain against Abel his brother, and murdered him."

The first murder case.

ML: Yes .

SV : So, here it is. The first murder. What does it mean "he killed his brother"?

ML: Killed his brother - it means a property that was all about bestowal, it has now been used by him for his own sake.

SV : For Cain’s sake.

ML: Yes. He killed Abel, the use of bestowal, kindness, and love, for the sake of his own fulfillment.

SV : Meaning, the property of bestowal exits and what remains is the property only for oneself.

Titles: Semen Vinokur - director - screenwriter.

ML: It's called bestowal for the sake of reception.

SV : Bestowal for the sake of receiving.

ML: Yes. Using seemingly spiritual property, that is good in itself, but for the sake of our own selfishness, in order to prevail over the other.

SV : Now we see, the first investigation begins. The investigator is the Creator.

"And said God to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" And he answered "I do not know. Am I a guard to my brother?" And he said, "What have you done ? Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground"…

ML: This is an egoistic property (called Cain) started to use the quality of bestowal for its own sake. It relegated it to the properties of blood. "Dam-blood", "dam" from the word "Domem" nonliving-still properties, that is why it cries out from the ground. Meaning, as it were the property of bestowal is now enslaved to the selfish desire. So, it is "crying out." It’s necessary for our development. Of course, we cannot review this like kids, how this is possible that the Creator didn’t know this would happen, that they will kill each other…

SV : So to speak, a dual personality.

ML: We get it… Those are not fairy tales, of such that relate to people on their level, but we need to understand the properties of creation that exist in us. That is the only thing we discuss, we talk about human nature, and what should we do with it.

SV : There are catchy phrases: "Am I a guard to my brother." They have spread around world. So, now everyone is talking about them. "Your brother's blood cries out." So, this book...

SV : Preaching in their own way.

ML: The way it’s convenient. There is a reason Cain recites them. So, we, too...

SV : No wonder, we recite them .

ML: As a consequence of this...

SV : Tell me, please, you constantly mention the way it’s pronounced in Hebrew, the language of the ... Here is the correct explanation of the same . So how does a person can explain in Russian... ?

ML: You can’t.

SV : Impossible?

ML : Impossible. It’s imperative that the person understands. Moreover I’ll tell you, basically, all the scientists, theologians, philosophers until the end of the Middle Ages in general, they almost all knew Hebrew.

SV : I know that Newton studied.

ML: Newton knew Hebrew pretty well. He even wrote some of his articles. Leibniz ... see it is impossible to study Bible, especially to understand what it talks about. I do not talk about Kabbalistic level, but on its true, simple level. It is written without knowledge of the language, without having to read the ancient commentaries, which were written almost as soon as Moses was done writing it. Immediately, they started having these commentaries, and at the level of the prophets. As well as great Kabbalists, who just clarified to us what he wanted to say.

SV: There was no religions, it’s above all the religious..

ML : Of course. This was one and half thousand years before everything.

SV : The book is over religion.

ML: Yes .

SV : Then came a completely different interpretation of the book. Began to emerge ...

ML: Well, then people started in accordance with their level of comprehension...

SV : With the level of Cain.

ML: Of course, everyone started to use this to a degree which it would benefit to do something they wanted. You know, like in our world : if I know nothing about higher knowledge and can’t speak nothing about it, so at least I'll do as I think. Or what others are doing - I will criticize. It’s a natural human behaviour. At least, if I do nothing, then I criticize others. That it, the material is ready, I can see that they are doing something...

SV : I can pull the line out of here, right?

ML: Yes ... It started with them, the more I relegate others, the more I rise, allegedly. I see it very often when they outline our work in different places...

SV : That's what we were talking about, that a person does not feel there is evil in him.

ML : It's impossible. A person somehow has to assert himself, uplift himself.

SV : On the account of others?

ML: How else? Here's an example. Here is the originated first hand example. He cannot..

Tell me what's wrong with Cain? Only the fact that Abel has achieved something, he has something of his own. He has some sort of connection with the Creator…

SV : Cain wants a greater connection with the Creator than Abel .

ML: Yes, but at the expense of other. We must understand that this is a natural way of development. Those Cains that are in us and outside of us, they will not disappear, not until we will reveal the whole nature of man and will want to rise above it.

SV : We must reveal it. We will continue. This chapter is not simple. Please, pay attention, note that we are at the beginning of this chapter, this is the beginning, which is one of the most difficult chapters.

ML : Of course. We must always convey those writings to the original roots, the source of the properties of a man. Then, we will know what the Bible says. It refers only to a person, to what is within you, what you have to do to make yourself a human. Adam, similar to the Creator.

Titles: Semen Vinokur - director - screenwriter.

SV : Dear friends, let’s start to be similar to the Creator, let's attempt , let's desire (which is best to say). Stay with us. There will be one more broadcast dedicated to this chapter Genesis. Stay with us. Goodbye.

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