A New life

Talk 121

A Talk on the New World of Work

A Talk with Dr Michael Laitman – December 27^th , 2012 - After editing

Oren: Hello and thank you for joining us on “A New Life ", a series of talks with Dr Michael Laitman. Hello Dr Laitman. Hello Nitsa Mazoz. Hello everyone.

Oren: Here, on “A new life," we are discussing the new world of work. We have already dedicated a number of talks to it and today we would like to move forward, into a new domain in this large world of tomorrow's world of work. We would like to try to understand where we are coming from and where are we heading. We wish to study the approach, the integral worldview which Dr. Michael Laitman is presenting us concerning the development of the world of work, on a timeline.

Nitsa: When we observe and examine the world of work over the timeline of history, we see that there have been great changes. There is the period of the traditional world of work, the world of the past, where there was manual labour.

Individual work which was passed on from father to son and from son to grandson.

Nitsa: Yes, it was something you were born with, you knew exactly what you are going to do, there were no questions, everything was very clear. Yes. Even whom you marry.

Nitsa: Yes. Afterwards, there was the industrial development occurring around the mid-18th century, which made a huge change and the whole subject of steam actually started to develop, machinery, the train, and this whole development created a new world. Then, technology developed, and the digital era began, the digital world we have today, and everything is changing very rapidly, computers, the digital, and it has an impact. When we look over history from above, we would like to examine how it affected us from the general social perspective. How has our development influenced this transition?

Meaning, how has man changed over time as a result of technological development?

Nitsa: In addition, and perhaps the other way around, how technological development has influenced man. I mean, to see what the relationship between them was, what influenced what? This entire development can be explained briefly, in a few words - it needs to push us towards a tighter connection. That is what we have truly attained now, a global, integral world, because this technology connected us; it connected us in everything and anything. Whether it is in international trade, business, anywhere in the world, we can produce something cheaper and better. These things already started from the conquering of the Suez Canal, and the British who conquered India, the Spaniards who conquered South America, and so on. From there, they began to bring those things and saw that it was much easier for them that way. For example, the British built the industry in England, but all the vegetables, fruits, and grain were brought from their own colonies, hence it was everywhere. We see that this is how Africa developed at the time, since they could bring many things from there. All these tendencies were only in order for the world to be more integrated, among the nations, cultures, religions – conquering as well as unification.

Meaning, overall, we see that all this, if we're talking about the influence of technological development on the human society, is only to bring the people closer and to lead them to certain equivalence. For them to be similar, for them to be integrated with all sorts of cultures, food, brands, such as "Coca-Cola," "McDonalds," "sushi," "pizza," international hotel chains, and all sorts of other things that spread around the world. Meaning, today there is a certain international culture which is accepted everywhere: even if I go to Asia or Europe, Africa, or America, I am actually integrated with those same things that I already know and am familiar with. Even the Internet, although written in hundreds of languages, is the same thing. What is studied in the universities and the news discussed in the media are the same, except for the actual local news. Meaning, the world has become round. People are connected, through communication lines it is possible to work from home or the office, just like American offices are located in India and Africa, and that is how it works.

Certainly, there is no problem in that; we are already used to it. On the contrary, the more we advance we will see that, just as the development in Europe led them to a state where they can no longer separate, they have to hold on with all their strength for no one to escape, since they feel how much it will impact everything. It is not just an ideological impact; rather it will actually destroy the entire infrastructure. In the integral society, if something shifts and separates, it truly affects the entire body.

That is why if the "Motorola" company is now crashing, or any company in America or Israel, it is also felt in Asia and Europe, because their branches are over there and so forth. If an automobile company in Japan is being closed down, it is not felt only in Japan, as only the main office is there, whereas all of the production line is carried out in workplaces and factories around the world, which will also close down. Meaning, everyone suffers. And that is how we are connected around the globe. However, all of this has been taking place up until now, as we enter the current crisis. In the current crisis, people are starting to lose their jobs. We are starting to feel that no matter what we produce, 80% of it is probably unnecessary. We do not need so much and cannot cover those things, both from the angle of ecology and our own employment, from all the excess we are able to create. Rather, we need to transfer our business to another new level. It is no longer dependent on technological changes, rather in changing the person himself, the paradigm, our view of the world. Here, for sure, if we thus take a glance of the future, we should realize that the businesses, if we are talking about the business world and the workplaces, will all be increasingly more engaged in providing services. The service is in every family receiving its necessities in a simple way, such as the necessary package they order being brought home to them. People will not have to run to all sorts of shopping, because it will suffice them and they will know what they need, more or less.

It is not that we are closing down all the chains, rather their weight will be less and less. Because now, when we are beginning to slow down the production market, the marketing market, we will have to ensure that everywhere in the world, each person and every family will more or less have the necessary basket at home. That is why we will need to make sure we have such organizations and individuals who will work and engage in that, and they will provide everyone with the necessary and rational basket. Whether it belongs to the house, clothing, food, water, electricity, gas, whatever each one needs. I think it will be the main occupation of the near future, of the 21st century. In that, we should see which businesses will participate in it, either as private businesses which the governments actually construct in order to handle it, or those coming from the government itself. Nevertheless, it will gradually be more in the hands of the government: each and every local government and the general government throughout the world.

Competition is not lost by this; rather we maintain competition in order to optimize the entire program as a whole. Meaning, here we actually have to make a general register of the entire global population, what each one is lacking, in what manner we are to take care of it, and how we cover expenses. Meaning, there is plenty to do in the world, but in the direction of attaining balance among human beings. The situation we already have these days, and this is a huge problem we have all over the world, in every country, business, family, and in every individual is actually the positive, correct state, in order to begin realizing what truly needs to be done.

Therefore, the overall concern regarding the whole world is of education, culture, designing a good environment everywhere in the world, through the media, with the correct messages, in the correct environment, which will influence each and every one with the correct education. Meaning, our body needs to be provided with all its needs, along with contentment for the soul, in culture and education. It is a huge job, involving the entire global market. If we realize that this is the direction worth developing, for all the above mentioned reasons, the work involved is truly immense and varied. I hope we succeed in doing that even in the 21st century. I think that those large organizations, the banks and the major international organizations will get organized and take these things upon themselves as a mission; they will see it as a market, as a defined and limited profit, as in government work. They will receive a small percentage of it, but surely, it will provide them with a job and a living and that is how they will be sustained. The concern of this happening should actually be a global one, because otherwise we are approaching chaos.

The same big wave of dismissal, and the people who are homeless, in Europe and in southern Europe in particular, even more so in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, with their favelas and so on, I have seen such things everywhere in the world, even in America. That is why I think something can be done and the governments will have to take care of it, at least in order to maintain themselves, and they will see that this is what needs to be done.

That means, our job is to give and provide the minimum for each and every one, and primarily to all state residents of course, so they live in dignity. For the person to know he has that. It is all in exchange for the integral education which we obligate them, in order to bring them to a new level of this paradigm, where each one has to begin to understand the new world, the new perception. Accordingly, something can be done and I think that this collapse in the market and the markets in general at this time will lead to reorganization, either in a natural way, or we will expedite this by our public relations, so they will all understand where it is leading. All we are actually suggesting is to slightly hasten the time. We do not want it to happen the natural way, because then it will be by blows and suffering, problems, even wars or revolutions and massive riots. Rather, in order to mitigate things, and undergo them easily, which is possible only by understanding, agreeing, and accepting the situation as necessary, as coming to us from Nature, can we really see the world as being drawn to the good, and in a positive way.

We see that everything belonging to the seeming unnecessary industry is failing and closing down today anyway, and is in bankruptcy. Just like the automobile industry, is naturally unnecessary, so they're closing down and moving on to something new, something else. We will also need houses, cars and food, a great deal of jobs in education, and there will be a need for appropriate places and shared cultural venues.
This is a slightly different industry, yet actually the same infrastructure. This is what I see. The more all the decision makers, the designing managers and their advisers understand the trend in depth more clearly and quickly, it will definitely make this process of transition easier for us. This is what I think will happen, in short. Meaning, of course nothing from before will vanish, we are not going back to caves, and not to bread and water. We have the option of truly living a beautiful and good life; we only need to reduce the appetite wealthy people have. It will be carried out through education and in the end by pressure from the governments, when they also see there is no choice. So we will gradually bring them, through education and lack of choice, since the market will not be able to let them get as rich as before, and then they will realize that they will live well, but not limitlessly, or by controlling, with disrespect and deceit as is taking place today to all people. Rather, through education, it will all take on a more organized, balanced and more or less equal form.

It is a long process until everything becomes balanced, as in any transition. It takes a few leaps up and down and gradually reaches some saturation. Of course in the end, the whole world will have to acquire one, integral education. The entire world will need to have one standard of living, more or less and this is where we are being drawn. Even now, we seem to be able to see that we are developing in that direction. Only now we will need another upgrade, including our plans; there will be no such thing as selling everything all over the world; rather providing the same things to all people around the globe. Thus, each one has what he needs in order to exist.

Yet again, all this is on the condition he carries out necessary jobs and actions and participates in integral education. Meaning that, eventually, we are ensuring the construction of a complete system here; in education, culture, employment, consumption, so it will be more or less correct. Integral education includes not only what we have discussed here, since whoever is in integral education is not only drawn to a good and beautiful connection to others, we are also designing their correct attitude towards health, recreation, the number of children in the family and everything. Meaning, we are actually building a humanity here that controls its structure and form.

Nitza: I am trying to understand what went wrong? After all, we know that in a developmental process, after a revolution, there is always prosperity, blooming and growth. If we were to interview people throughout these processes, say fifty or a hundred years ago, they would tell of a wonderful world about to emerge, how much we would thrive and that the new world would exchange working hands and we might have more quality of living. In reality, something else happened. What went wrong?

We have developed by our ego and now we are not developing by the ego constantly in competition with others, rather now, our ego is obligating us to reach balance, an equal level, participation, connection. In that, we want to find challenge, calmness, beauty, security and comfort.

Oren: The industrial Revolution did not take place yesterday, and mankind was certain there was an opening for a good life. Machines would come and do things, and we would no longer have to work "from dawn till death" and the machinery, technology and emerging knowledge would lead us to peace and tranquillity.

Now, you are depicting a quite similar picture, about some dream of the good life, about to be in the near future, where we are heading. Why have we not succeeded in that up until now? Indeed, living in such a way where no one is hungry, thirsty, homeless, and everyone is relaxed and has everything he needs to live; that is the dream existing for ages, and apparently we are in a certain delay; we were supposed to have reached it already, as, from the aspect of technology, in terms of development, it began a few centuries ago. A process that we might have done differently or perhaps we could not have done differently and we would love to hear how you explain that. But it seems that all the conditions were in order to succeed in organizing the country, all countries and the whole world, as a place in which each individual and every family has what it needs to live in dignity. As you said earlier, these capabilities have already been given to mankind, a few centuries ago, so what has gone wrong for us? In fact, it existed a few thousand years ago, until the ego began to develop. If you ask me, the most beautiful, righteous, normal and warmest society is the primitive, primeval society, in particular. For then, everything belonged to everyone. They would go out to catch a mammoth and eat it all together and the children belonged to everyone, meaning, each person was concerned with everyone and everyone felt as brothers, as belonging to the same tribe, and that is the best society.

Afterwards, the ego began developing, and we started to drift away from each other. We forgot that we are relatives and began behaving towards each other as enemies, in hatred. The more the ego developed, we took more advantage of each other, either in the form of slavery, the way it was in the Middle Ages, or in the capitalistic form. We were not drawn to the good life.

I, as a capitalist, would be attracted to the good life for myself, and would suck the blood from others. If I brought villagers from the village to work in my factory, I'd give them a place to stay in the “hot bed” method, where one sleeps while in the meantime, the other is working. Then they switch and the one who was working goes to sleep and the other one who was sleeping gets up for work.

I would feed them as little as possible, for them to only work, with no vacation days or anything. They would have to fight to get a day off during the week from me or any type of improved conditions. Do you know how much it cost them in “blood?” Would I, as a capitalist and a factory owner take care of them? No way! I would make them work even harder and they would be my slaves in an even more sophisticated and cunning way than what we had two thousand years ago, in the period of the slavery. It's as if I am giving them an income, instead of being slaves, and for them to be scared I will throw them out so they would not have that either. I am interested in them being on the street and dying of hunger, because then they will agree to work for me for a penny an hour. What kind of good life is that? Where have you seen that technology and its development have led to a better life? I don't see it. And if you give it to industry owners, your life will not be better, only worse. They will use all the technological progress, just to earn more, and not for you but for them alone. This is human nature; they are not to blame, they are doing what they should do according to Nature. Therefore, this whole development is egoistic and to the detriment of man. We see that even today, we work so that the elites will live without any restrictions. You do not even know how they and their families live, and so on, you do not know, are not familiar with it. 70% of what we earn goes to their purchase of weapons and taking pride before each other; who is stronger, as if we care. They begin to heat up the nations against each other so things will be good for them, so they will not lose control.

With his ego, man does everything. In such a way that no one, not even himself, ends up enjoying it. But he is incapable of doing anything else, because his ego controls him. I do not even blame the owners of these businesses, as it stems from their obligation to do so; I would do the same in their place. Because that is Nature, and Nature obligates us. Hence, the entire technological development is certainly not for the benefit of mankind. Now, for the first time, out of no choice, by the crisis, we will have to make a general revision. When facing us there is only one goal, to bring an equal standard of living to everyone. In the meantime, during the transition period, the enterprises, the corporations and all forms of businesses will still be in private hands, but in a very limited way.

They will do the job. It is better for us that they carry the job out in the capitalistic way in order to save and be efficient. But it will be according to our order, what we determine where they cannot sell us something which costs one shekel for ten shekels. Until we shift the payment from money to a payment of respect for that same capitalist. From now on, we are taking your wage from you; it is higher than normal and instead, you will get respect, will you agree to that? Because we studied integral education together with you and you, yourself began to understand, to feel out of no choice that when you are integrated with the environment, it is more beneficial and worthwhile. You enjoy more, feel more secure, and are noticed because that is how others treat you.

Oren: What you described is self awareness, not that anyone is taking from me, but that I have reached it through development. Yes, in the end it will be so.

Nitsa: Did the technological development breach the balance?

No, technology merely helped the ego exploit more people and nothing more.

Nitsa: It developed technology for over-exploitation, and by that, breached the balance. Yes. Like science, like all the things we study. They sold science to the businessmen so they would succeed in enslaving more people through their businesses.

Nitsa: Meaning, that the technological development by itself is not the problem, but is the way people used it the actual problem?

What is this development for? Fish in the aquarium live by the size of the aquarium. If we produced less of everything, the population would be three billion instead of seven billion. We doubled the population within a century. Why? Because we started to produce things in quantity that seven billion people could live off. Now, let's start producing things in a way where only three billion can survive and we will see that in a century, we will reduce to three billion once again. Yet, this is not the problem, because the planet is ready to provide even forty billion people with everything they need; it only depends on the form and not as it is nowadays. If each person gets what he needs rationally for maintenance, he will not want any more. That is because he will not live from the food, he will live beyond the food, from his fulfilment from all the rest, from the connection with others. So, in this way, we will actually be able to feed forty billion, it is no problem. However, if we proceed egoistically, of course we get stuck and are incapable of anymore.

Nitsa: If we take a look at the individual, what did he go through in this process? The individual as an employee, a professional, what happened to him in this entire developmental process? Today he is very poor; he is in the city as if in the jungle, he does not know where to turn or how to earn his living. Once, he belonged to the earth, field and cows, to something. Today he has nothing to do, other than go and steal, make wars or hold riots. If the family at home is suffering, then he is prepared to do anything. He goes out to break shop windows, he goes and breaks into stores, he goes and steals whatever he can, kills people on the street, fights as a soldier, only so his family will be paid, as he has no choice; his family is suffering from hunger.

This is a huge problem. We see that Nature has directed us correctly, to a lack of choice. Once, up until two hundred years ago, everyone could provide themselves with a living. They worked for someone, lived close to the land, agriculture, animals. They made essential things for people: ovens, homes. Everyone had a job: a tinsmith, a shoemaker, a tailor. Nowadays, one factory in China makes clothes for the entire world, so there is no work. How is the situation getting better, what are we so proud of?

Hence, we need to understand that we do not have the option of calming the situation. These days, around 80% of the population live in cities. That is a very large percentage. We are now before a huge collapse of businesses; the government will somehow have to maintain and sustain them, otherwise it won't be a government for a single day; they will devour it. Millions will go out into the streets, no army will help them; we will reach such situations. So, what will happen is that each government will have to approach us, approach those who have a method. They simply need to be concerned with what will happen to them. They will be able to remain in power only if they bring their nations a recovery plan which is clear and simple. Now, we are actually bringing the plan of balancing the nation. Each person will receive the necessities; each one will get what he needs. Everyone will have gas, electricity, water, a television at home, Internet, everything will be free. Everyone will have food, whatever is needed for babies, health and so on, all the things we need in order to exist. This is actually our plan. Meaning, we are taking this as a national program and carrying it out. Because, from the great collapse, there will either be chaos, as is happening in many neighbouring countries and even worse, or we take it now as the national plan and this plan needs to be detailed. Then, those people, suppose they work half a day for the government, or think about how to organize things, working in constructing homes, in agriculture, providing everyone with what they need, and half a day they study integral education. Thus, in that way we connect them and lead them to serenity and equality. There is no other solution to this crisis.

Nitsa: Give us a slight glimpse into the near future, not the distant future. We said that there was an industrial revolution, a digital revolution, and now we are facing a new revolution..

We are facing a social revolution. This is the new form of society, which is not built on power, rather on connection. It is where people don't want to climb higher than the other; rather everyone wants to connect to everyone, to the center, in order to be saved, in order to attain a good life. Each one feels that his life is dependent on everyone. Here, education is the main thing and the government supports and truly ensures it, as it is impossible to exist any other way.

Oren: I would like for us to go back to the question that Nitsa brought up earlier, regarding the individual. You depicted a social process here, in which countries, such as we see today, such as Greece, Spain, and other European countries. We are reaching a very broad public who actually can't make a living and you described where this is heading. That is clear, but I would like to discuss a different population. If we are attempting, in this discussion, to understand the development of the working world on the timeline, what happened in it and what it means for the future, you now defined that we are facing a social revolution.

Let us, nevertheless, turn our perspective for a moment, to a different realm, to the working individual, what happened to him over the previous centuries, in order to understand where this is heading tomorrow. Let us put aside, for a moment, the person who has no job, and talk about the population that is working today. Most people in the world are those who wake up in the morning, go to work and come back in the evening. We want to try and examine them. So far you talked about general processes, from the aspect of society; let's look at the aspect of the working individual, what happened to him. For example, you, me, Nitsa, what has happened to us in our generation, how did people similar to us live a generation or two ago, and so on. Let's focus on the image of the working man, what happened to him, in order to understand where he is heading tomorrow.

Nitsa: We discussed the subject of employment and profession; the issue of choosing a profession and job was also raised. In the past, we see that a person could be engaged in the same area for years; it was clear to him what he was going to do, from the start. There was never a question "What will I engage in?" Nowadays, it is a question, and we see a great deal of confusion, especially amongst the young adults when they are released from the army; they have a huge question of "What am I going to do? In what field?" Even when I have already been working at a job, in general, it is clear that I am working crazy hours. We work around the clock, whoever already gets a job has to work from morning to night.

Oren: If we photograph an individual a few centuries ago, and then continue to do so, we will see that this picture of the person is going through a great deal of change.

But all in all, nothing has changed. These days, he is still working those same twelve hours a day.

Oren: It may have even changed for the worse. I will now give you a view of what happened to the working individual in the last three generations. For example, my grandfather immigrated to Israel from Yemen. He later had a son and the following generation was already born in Israel, had a profession, and then I was born, three generations over the past century. I can definitely say that I am today, with all the progression, although we were supposed to reach a better place, I work harder than both of them together and barely manage to support my family. I work more hours per day than my father did and certainly more than my grandfather, who was a farmer. I do not see that I am living better than they did and for sure with much more tension and endless stress than them. So it seems to me today, perhaps in the past they would have said the same thing. But the picture has become more stressful, more difficult, surviving is harder, where is all this heading?

Because the same egotistical society is interested in keeping you in the same form of slavery at least as before; it stabilizes different objectives before you which you must achieve. You have to provide after school classes for your child, you must go on holiday in your country or overseas; you must have increasingly more things that your grandparents or even your father and mother did not have. The more money you may earn today, and you have a car and whatever, you have to work for the car. You used to have a horse you would support, today you have to work to support the car. There are additional things here. Meaning, you may say "No, no way I live as they did..” but you live worse.

Oren: Worse, for sure. Because you are more enslaved to things than they were. They only had things that were essential for existence.

Oren: Maybe it was true three generations ago, for my grandfather who was an immigrant and came to Israel from Yemen. But it is certainly not true for my father. My father, he is my previous generation.

It was in transition.

Oren: He is a self-made man who attained material achievements; I am more incapable than him. If he does not help me today, I do not make ends meet. This is a crazy, absurd situation. A person over the age of 70. In the past I would have to support him and today it is as if everything has turned upsidepdown; the normal has become abnormal. My father was able to help his father financially; I am around 40, I have a normal profession, academic education, my wife has the same, nothing out of the ordinary, totally conventional and still, there is a worsening. I disagree with your statement that today I have a great deal of demands that once they did not have. My father lived like a king compared to how I live; I live like a slave. I am describing the history we're all familiar with; there is no great wisdom in it. Where is this heading, in terms of the working individual?

It is going to fall apart. That is clear.

Oren: What kind of falling apart? We do not even know what the problem is here.

Oren: Yes, that is what's crazy and that is what we are trying to clarify.

It is because we always advanced by the ego which pushed us more and more. Even today, we are willing to work with the ego to give us direction, something to do. If you'd like, we will start constructing buildings in the North or South Pole, never mind what. We do not see our ego; we have an inner drive to do something more. Everything is truly escaping us, falling out of our hands. We are incapable of maintaining the businesses we had before. Where are the people who buy, where are the people who desire? People enter despair; no one wants to work, no one is afraid not to work. There is a human element here, now it is the first time in history, where the human element is in crisis. There was no such thing before, the “human element," you give your worker blows, you reduce his salary, you throw him out of work, he is afraid; you manage him any way you like, just like an animal. Just as you plough with a horse, that is how you would work with your employees. No problem, you will do this I will pay you that, and that is all. Not today, today it has changed. Everyone has lost their desire to succeed, earn, or see a future in that. There is a certain fatigue; our desire is changing from within. You see it in the way people relate to life, the way they relate to family, kids; everything is falling apart. It isn't worth working, it isn't worth supporting himself. So I will work in whatever, it is convenient for a person not to run around. There are still crazy people, who are willing to sacrifice themselves for dollars, but in the end they feel it. There is despair and fatigue from within and you cannot do anything against it. It comes from within.

Nitsa: Fatigue, I really identify with the word fatigue. I don't know if people really do not want to succeed. If success came easily, there would be no problem.

That is not called "want", "want" means that I pay the sum of my efforts, from dawn to dusk and from dusk to dawn, that I am willing to “hold it with my teeth” and work non-stop. Only that means “I want.”

Nitsa: Right. Today there is no "want." You talked about the profession. What profession is there today? I once graduated from university.

Oren: What did you study? Bio Cybernetics, I knew it was my profession for my entire life. Suddenly, there were revolutions and other things. I left that country, came here, went to work in something else, although close to my profession, in electronics, as it was part of my profession. Then my father came to Israel; he was a dentist, and my mother was a gynaecologist; I needed to arrange things for them and started running their businesses, and so on. Afterwards, I came to learn a new profession, the wisdom of Kabbalah and got into it. I kept changing professions. Nowadays, there is hardly a profession which you acquire, meaning study, and can continue with it your entire life. You need to constantly study, replicate yourself, and perfect more. You never finish; it is on condition that you constantly study. Say you are an accountant, or my daughter who studies biology, she is constantly with the books, her entire life. What is going on? The world has become so fast-paced. Once, you learned a profession and it was enough for you for a lifetime, and you would never even have to add anything. For example, my mother studied medicine, it was enough for her what she studied at the university, later she read her materials to become more advanced, but actually, it was unnecessary. Or my father as a dentist, where there have been some new materials over the years. But today you cannot, and that is why it has lost its value. University itself has become a kind of entertainment for the young adults. After all, I will change it anyway, and who knows how many times. I come to work with a general education and that is where I learn the profession. I learn the trade on the job; I just need a general preparation. And so it is all the time. Meaning, all these things give lightness to a person, and also some sort of contempt regarding life. If it works out, then good, if not, then something else will come around. Our lives have also changed; nowadays you cannot be dumped alone like a hundred years ago. Then, if you did not have anything to eat, you would die of starvation or beg on the streets. These days, you must have social security and health insurance and in the end, they will not leave you alone, they will do something; there are various organizations for that. Meaning, the general society feels itself responsible. We have achieved internal weakness and external support. We are in a situation that requires change, especially because we cannot manage the world, because it is starting to change by the new psychology of the human being we are not familiar with. Previously, it was a simple psycholog:, if I work more I earn more, I am more successful. If I earn more, I am smarter, so I earn more. Everything worked directly, depending on my strength, actual muscles, brain power and working hours. This doubles that equals success. And success is in dollars, a better job, higher position in the business and so on. Not today, it has already lost its value.

Nitsa: It is really the greatest difficulty, this lack of security, because once, at least they could promise me that if I study and invest in it, then I will manage; today it is not so. In addition, now everything is falling apart, there are bankruptcies, businesses are closing down, people are going out into the streets, not knowing what to do. They are still getting some support, but what will happen if several million more go out, where will their support come from? Meaning, we will have to lower ourselves to situations where we provide them with food, organize them at home. We will also have to educate them somehow, calm them down. Meaning we will inevitably advance to the same form we have discussed.

Nitsa: When I look at the younger generation, I see something very interesting there; it is as if they are saying, "I am no longer willing to be a slave." True.

Nitsa: They actually speak in these terms. On the one hand, they are the largest consumers of all developing technologies, they very much like deriving pleasure from the developmental process of the digital world and love to innovate and constantly switch. On the other hand, "I don't want to be a slave." Sometimes, when I try to connect with them and show that if you want to achieve this, it means you have to do that, they are not willing. They want to achieve it without being slaves. The conflict here is huge; there is a point here that we need to make them go through, perhaps a process of understanding that one is connected to the other, that everything has a price. This is something that is very difficult to explain. They are right, because they do not link between the two. They can no longer link success with the amount of hours and the job they hold, because they are already built for a new approach, where success depends on connection, in a unified, integrated society, and the success of the environment, the success of the society, the success of the private individual will stem from there. Meaning, the system is already working differently. It already started fifty, sixty years ago, but now it is actually permeating even more. Previously, it was much more in the feeling, many people predicted it at the beginning of the last century and began writing about things like Noosphere, Synergetica, and now it is cascading from the level of theory to application.

Oren: Our time is up, we have to finish. Thank you very much Dr Michael Laitman, thank you Nitsa Mazoz, thank you all for being with us and until our next talk, all the best to us and good-bye.

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