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Daily Lesson (Morning) August 27, 2024.
Part 1: Baal HaSulam. Letter No. 47.
Reader: (00:04) Hello, we're reading letter number 47 from Baal HaSulam. You can find it in the writings of Baal HaSulam, as well as on our sites, Sviva Tova and the Arvut system. You can ask questions live through our sites. Whoever asks in the study hall is asked to stand up, hold the microphone close to his mouth and speak loud and clear. Letter number 47 from Baal HaSulam, from the writings of Baal HaSulam.
Reading: (00:37) Letter No. 47.
Tav-Reish-Peh-Zayin, 1927
To my dearest ... forever and ever:
I received your words today and there is one thing that I see in them: your great fear of my moving away from you even as a hairsbreadth.
It is inherent in people, and also gives permission ... to draw true abundance to the other side. And where the abundance of fear should work on you, to look into your own heart, always and forever—so as not to distance your heart from me as a hairsbreadth—you turn this fear on me, that my heart will not draw far from you. Thus, you are laboring to correct what is fixed, what was never broken, while the broken place remains broken and without attention. I know that these words, too, will be unclear to you and you will not understand where they are coming from, and at a time of joy you might think more, God forbid.
I do feel for you, my dear, to toss into your mouth a drop of truth, which is not obligated by any of the 613 organs of the human body. How many times have you learned it from me? And still, whenever I offer you a word of truth, you fight me fiercely.
Indeed, so is the nature of spirituality: One who is adhered to the Creator feels himself as not adhered. He worries and is insecure about it and does all that he can do by his strength to be rewarded with Dvekut [adhesion]. A wise one feels opposite from one who is not adhered to the Creator, who feels content and satisfied, and does not worry properly, except to keep the Mitzvot [commandments] of worry and longing, for “a fool does not feel.” Just as one cannot teach one who is blind from birth the essence of absence of vision, except when he is given eyesight, so is this matter.
I have already written that you are wrong to say that I have journeyed from you. You should instead understand that you have journeyed from me. Believe me that my eyes and heart are always with you, without feeling a distance of place or time at all. Were it not required for the listener to know, you would be witnessing it.
On the contrary, physical remoteness from you can act within you faster. In truth, this is what I hoped, and do hope for, if you understand more.
It is also true that I judge you favorably, assuming the air of Jerusalem while I am still before you, and especially during concealment from you. This is why I have established for you conducts by which you can still hang on and not turn back.
And the single most special one among them is the Dvekut of friends. I sincerely promise that this love is able. And I shall remind you of every good thing that you need. And if you nonetheless braced yourselves in that, you would certainly go from strength to strength on the rungs of holiness, as I have promised earlier.
How can I forgive this to you while the ladder that is placed on the ground is empty? No one climbs it, and instead of today you say “tomorrow.” You tell me, what would you gain from my forgiveness? Let me know and I will answer you.
I am not an issuer of decrees or a maker of laws, and this, too, you should know. Unless I feared sliding back, I would not go out of my way, for it was very, very difficult for me. But I am as one who regrets the loss of time ... but my soul suffers from it more than was anticipated, even in a standstill, much less when you, God forbid, fall back. This I saw ahead of time and wished to correct in advance.
Therefore, let me remind you the validity of love of friends in spite of everything at this time, for it is upon this that our right to exist depends, and upon this our near-to-come success is measured.
Hence, turn away from all the imaginary engagements and set your hearts on thinking thoughts and devising proper tactics to truly connect your hearts as one, so the words “Love your friend as yourself” will literally come true in you, for a verse does not reach beyond the literal, and you will be cleaned by the thought of love that will cover all crimes. Test me in that, and begin to truly connect in love, and then you will see, “the palate will taste,” and all the people will not separate between me and you.
Concerning your negligence in coming to the prayer, I know and feel your fate and sorrow. Unless I saw that the measure of loss does not decrease by the justness of the cause, I would not say a word.
Yehuda Leib
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (09:47) He writes to his student that he's not an issuer of decrees or judgments. For a student I can just imagine what it is to be Baal HaSulam's student. It's something much higher for me than I can assume but he is, with his adherence, he is one that's decreeing decrees and deciding on judgments. In the end, he's even telling him, with your negligence, meaning he is kind of a certain judge and examining his heart. It's something very exalted. I don't understand why he's saying that he's not as such if it turns out that he actually is.
M. Laitman: He doesn't play. Apparently, even Baal HaSulam, he's a human being and even though he's holy and he's close to the Creator, but he was born by a woman and so this is what he thinks.
Student: What does it mean that he was born of flesh and blood? His image is so exalted.
M. Laitman: It doesn't matter. High, exalted, yes, but nevertheless a created being and this is a huge difference between him and the Creator.
Student: He has a desire to receive, meaning he has obviously a corrected desire to receive relative to what I understand.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What does it mean that he has a desire to receive? When it’s corrected, it's like kind of, it's as if he has no desire to receive.
M. Laitman: As if. Yes.
Student: I still can't understand how on one hand, he's kind of like telling his students that he's not one who makes judgments or decrees, but he actually is. I mean, the students of Baal HaSulam do need to relate to, let's say, his councils as laws, right?
M. Laitman: No, the fact that you take his advice as a law for you, that is something else but it's not that these are laws, because there are laws which are, it's just a law. As it says, he gave a law and it cannot be breached but here, that's not the case.
Student: It's like in these things, maybe we can ask like this, he's like leaving the freedom of choice to his students if you can relate to what he says as a law from above, or?
M. Laitman: Possibly.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (13:04) There's a letter like the rest of the letters, but here he truly opens his heart to the students. At first, he tells them, you don't feel me, you feel the opposite. Even if it seems to you that I have distanced from you, you've actually distanced from me, and my heart's always with you. You just believe that my eyes are with you always, etc. Then he kind of tells them that what you're actually missing is to connect between you more.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Why doesn't he tell them, actually what you're missing is to believe that I'm with you, and that's it? Why do they have to connect between them? How is one connected to the other?
M. Laitman: Because this is the vessel inside of which they can feel what he wants them to feel, to feel him, their teacher.
Student: So, the question, when they connect between them, we have to say, we want to feel the love between us or do they have to say we want to feel the teacher between us?
M. Laitman: I think that first the love, first the love and then the Creator.
Student: How is it not the same one? How do you differentiate between feeling the teacher and feeling the connection between us? This love as it is between us?
M. Laitman: To feel the Creator is one thing. To feel the friends, it's a different thing. So, we need to distinguish between all of these things.
Student: But he connects them, that's how I understand it. He says, you don't have a vessel to feel me, you will always feel the opposite. Meaning, as if I'm distancing from you. Understand, I'm not distancing from you, I'm always close to you, but I've set up ordinances for you so that you can love friends.
M. Laitman: So?
Student: Do it as you should, don't be negligent, and…
M. Laitman: You reach the love of the Creator.
Student: So, when they connect and want to reach love between us, to feel the Creator between us, or the teacher between us, or both of them.
M. Laitman: How should we build this ladder? Well, the end result is in the preliminary thought. We need to attain the Creator. Even more than that, we have to reach the Creator and bestow to Him, that's it, and for that, we have to bestow to each other so that we will have a sufficient vessel, a strong enough and big enough vessel so that from it we can bestow to the Creator.
Student: But there's also the teacher, who's talking from the side of the Creator as well.
M. Laitman: Yes, the teacher is that degree in which we have to connect between us and from that to bestow to the Creator.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (16:37) To bestow to one another in practice, that will be the Kli for the Creator?
M. Laitman: I don't understand. Speak normally.
Student: To bestow to one another in a true manner, that's the vessel for revealing the Creator? Or is it the deficiency to bestow to one another?
M. Laitman: No, the fact that we, let's say, have a deficiency to bestow to each other, there's no Creator there yet. We intend that by that we will build some foundation from which we can already bestow to the Creator.
Student: If we already come to a state where we bestow to one another, how is that a vessel to feeling the Creator?
M. Laitman: Out of the fact that we connect together into one vessel, then we already have the power and the understanding in which way we can bestow to the Creator.
Student: Understanding, I understand but you said that it's a Kli to bestow to the Creator.
M. Laitman: Yes,
Student: Where is the deficiency here? It's not clear.
M. Laitman: We started this action out of the deficiency to reach the Creator, to reach bestowal to the Creator.
Student: Meaning, if we're already bestowing in the Ten towards one another, what else is missing? Where's that deficiency towards the Creator? What else is missing that we need the Creator?
M. Laitman: Even if you don't write Him down, even if you don't hold on to Him, but He's there to begin with. Otherwise, why do you begin this whole thing?
Student: To start the matter, I understand, but the fact that we're bestowing to one another doesn't cover it? Cover that deficiency? The deficiency for bestowal?
M. Laitman: Deficiency for general bestowal? No. The deficiency to bestow to the Creator? No.
Student: I'm kind of saying there's a path to bestow to the Creator, and we say that we have to first bestow to one another, and then the deficiency of bestowing to the Creator will appear. Or it will be a Kli for the Creator to be able to clothe.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, the way I understand it, the way we manage to bestow to one another does not enable the deficiency to bestow to the Creator to be more disclosed, more clear. I'm not sure how this exactly contributes, how it helps and supports one another.
M. Laitman: The fact that you want to reach bestowal to the Creator, so first you have to reach bestowal to the created beings.
Student: What are we trying to understand?
M. Laitman: So that you will have the power. You'll have what to do. You'll have a vessel.
Student: If we're already bestowing to one another, what else is the Kli? And what else can the Creator help us?
M. Laitman: So that He will help us to bestow to Him.
Student: We can't come to that lack for Him to help us, want to bestow Him before we bestow to one another?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Why? What's the connection between this and that?
M. Laitman: It's a matter of the Kli, vessel. There is a general vessel, an individual vessel, the vessel of the Ten, the vessel of a person. There is a ladder.
Student: So, I don't understand what's this stage of transition here in the ladder between one which is bestowing to one another and the stage of bestowing to the Creator.
M. Laitman: From the love of people, we reach the love of the Creator.
Student: It's kind of like I'm just… What's missing for me to understand is, if we don't manage to bestow to one another, I understand why the Creator is missing for me.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: But if we need to bestow to one another so that we will have the lack, that doesn't work out for me.
M. Laitman: No, I'm not saying that it's in order to develop a deficiency for bestowal to the Creator we have to bestow. We need to bestow on the way to the Creator to all of the created beings since they belong to the Creator.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:16) Meaning the goal should be to bestow to the Creator before we approach the efforts to love of friends? The goal should be disclosed before us, that we're going to bestow to the Creator before we approach the efforts towards love of friends.
M. Laitman: Yes, and this is why we come to love of friends. It's not that I don't know that I have to reach bestowal to the Creator. I was thinking that the friends, I feel them, and so I relate to them in such a way because I need to reach bestowal to them but actually, the end result is in the preliminary thought. We learn from our teachers that we must bestow to the Creator. We have to reach bestowal to the Creator. I to my beloved and my beloved to me, right? It has to be mutual and so, then we reach the group, and in the group we come to the connection between us until from the connection between us we reach a certain bond between us because we need to reach bonds of love. That's what we have to reach and if we have that, then they say that from bestowal to the group, to the friends, we reach bestowal to the Creator. Yes.
Student: We relate with great fear to this means called love of friends in order to reach the Creator. And we're just pumping this means from morning to night. We're putting it into each other that only through love of friends we reach the love of the Creator.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I feel in myself that many times the goal is missing, and we're in this means all the time.
M. Laitman: He also writes about it in another place that along the way we may forget and not pay attention to the higher degrees that we have to connect, etc., but in the meantime, the fact that we know the goal helps us to go through our degrees.
Student: We actually have to help one another so that the goal will be revealed all the time? When we're engaging in these efforts towards revealing.
M. Laitman: We have to always check ourselves whether we are connected and directed towards adhesion with the Creator and this is why we have to be in adhesion between us and only keep that. Keep the adhesion which will bestow between us and we will reach a state where we will receive help from above. In this way, we will start to relate to the Creator.
Student: Efforts for love of friends with a goal is not disclosed. Are they redundant or is there room for that too?
M. Laitman: From where will you have love of friends?
Student: I don't know, but I notice that sometimes I effort to work on love of friends, and the goal to reach the Creator is not necessarily before my eyes. So, I'm asking whether this state is also a waste of time, or is there others also?
M. Laitman: No, we reach the revelation of the relations between us in the group and we see from the Kabbalists, we hear, we learn from the Kabbalists that from the connection between us we will reach the love of the Creator. If in the connection between us, we will go such that it will tie all of us to this ascent in order to bestow to the Creator, and we have no other goal but that. I think it's simple.
Student: What do we do? It's blurred sometimes, where it's not clear.
M. Laitman: Think about it more. Think about it. Let your emotions and your head be in that. That's it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (26:36) Meaning, two people who don't study Kabbalah, if they come to love of others, to brotherly love, the Creator is not revealed before them if they're not aiming to Him to begin with.
M. Laitman: I didn't hear you well.
Student: If two external people that don't study the wisdom of Kabbalah, they reach brotherly love between them, love of others between them, the Creator will not be revealed to them.
M. Laitman: No.
Student: Meaning, you have to aim to begin with. Meaning, the force of love itself does not operate without direction or with guidance.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (27:19) I come with a certain lack to bestow to the Creator before love of friends. Probably something egoistic and uncorrected. I start to work on love of friends. Is my lack for the Creator my Kli to bestow? Does it get flawed in some way during the work?
M. Laitman: Possibly it improves, yes.
Student: What needs to change?
M. Laitman: Earlier you were thinking about bestowing to the Creator?
Student: Yes.
M. Laitman: Like that? And now you want to bestow to the friends?
Student: I'm being told that it's a means.
M. Laitman: When you relate to love of friends as a means towards the love of the Creator, right? So, you actually want the love of the Creator, right?
Student: Yes.
M. Laitman: You didn't say that.
Student: I'm asking whether my vessel to bestow to the Creator before and after the act of love of friends is different.
M. Laitman: Your vessel to bestow to the Creator?
Student: Is different before I start to work with the friends and after I work with them?
M. Laitman: Certainly.
Student: What's the difference?
M. Laitman: The difference is that after you have reached the love of friends, now we have a true vessel in which to begin to bestow to the Creator.
Student: Before that it was something corrupted and not taken into account?
M. Laitman: Before it simply wasn't, let's say, real, true.
Student: I must start specifically with that unreal thing, because otherwise...
M. Laitman: Well, you need to enter, right? So, that's the entrance.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (29:23) He tells him, to the student, you're trying to correct in a whole place. Meaning as if I've distanced and he addresses him to work with the friends, and he also says there that a wise person is always fearful that he's not adhered.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, I wanted to ask whether… we're always talking about love. What is this effort and work in love of friends, they say that without fear, that you need fear before love.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: How does our work with the friends help us build a Kli that proceeds?
M. Laitman: When you make efforts and each time you check yourself, are you advancing, are you in it, are you truly bestowing to the friends or is it all just some kind of a game, what is happening to you? Out of your inclinations, because you do want to reach love of friends but maybe you don't quite know what it is, you didn't yet taste it in a true manner, so you constantly have deficiencies, and you turn to the Creator that you want that the Creator will give you forces and the correct vision about your situation, through that you reach prayers, correct prayers, the best possible prayer, when you turn to the Creator, you truly turn to Him for the fact that you don't feel that you can, that you're capable of reaching love of friends.
Student: We saw that you really want in the convention for us to be in Tens so that we don't lose our tool for working with.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: On one hand, how do we keep this tool and also advance. Is there such a thing, or is that already an opening?
M. Laitman: No, no, you feel that you have a Ten behind you, and from the Ten you connect.
Student: The private Kli of the Ten where I build this work, I can also receive, can the whole Ten there also receive from other Tens?
M. Laitman: Yes, it doesn't matter. It's not limited.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (32:28) It seems like it's completely clear, but something very essential here seems that he's talking to his friend, he says, the fact that you think that I have distance from you, it's not it. Rather you're distanced from me. Meaning, you could say that this is a law of nature. I think the Creator got distanced from me, but it was me who distanced himself. It's like the root of he who negates does so with his own flaws.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Also, you can understand here that, kind of, Baal HaSulam traveled and got distance so that the students will advance?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Meaning, that's the reason. He distanced himself with the goal that the students will advance.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (33:23) I wanted to ask about reaching love of friends. How does a person check that he is in the direction of love of friends, that he's going there?
M. Laitman: I didn't see it with my own eyes, ever. You can say, I mean, I saw all kinds of such relations, but this can be seen in any, in every society and so, I can't say what should be the external expression of that. But the internal expression, yes.
Student: So, what is the internal expression if there's no external one, then what's the internal expression of love of friends?
M. Laitman: It is revealed when he truly reaches a friend and when a friend receives some trouble, some blow, and then all of us, those who love him, like in a family, or like everywhere, we all try to get close and help wherever possible.
Student: Because it turns out that without love of friends, you can't reach love of the Creator.
M. Laitman: No, you don't reach the beginning of the love of the Creator.
Student: So, how does this process work? It turns out that if a person doesn't receive some serious problem…
M. Laitman: After you complete your vessel, meaning you have the Ten which is connected in some form within you, and you take this vessel, this feeling, the understanding, the disposition, and everything, and you bring yourself closer to the Creator through that same Ten.
Student: But when a person works with his Ten, how does the work with them turn into work with the love of friends? Because you don't have such an external expression. So how does this work there create for him love of friends?
M. Laitman: I can't speak in such a way. You want examples? What is it that you want?
Student: Again, I'm sorry. I didn't hear what you said.
M. Laitman: You want examples? What is it that you want?
Student: Not examples. I kind of want to understand how you create a vessel of love of friends. Because without a Kli of love of friends, the work doesn't even start.
M. Laitman: Yes, the fact that we are always constantly inside of the group, and everyone begins from one day to the next to arrange themselves more and more in the connection with the Ten. So, bit by bit, they begin each one to relate to the other friends besides oneself, to relate to the other friends in a way that one sees in them those vessels that precisely by becoming incorporated in them, by bestowing to them, by connecting with them, by that one receives a connection with the Creator.
Student: You said that there is no external expression to love of friends.
M. Laitman: Hardly not.
Student: Okay, so how do we make internal actions towards love of friends? How do you internally start to act towards the Ten, internally connect with them?
M. Laitman: Internal actions are not in your heart.
Student: Then where is it? How do I control these things that I have no control over?
M. Laitman: Why? Why? Try to control your heart. Otherwise, how do you even think about it? I mean, what does it mean, a spiritual action? It's in the will. The will is in the heart.
Student: Okay, I simply am not succeeding to... It's clear to me where I need to work, but I see that actually in this place, it's not happening like it should happen.
M. Laitman: No, maybe you didn't pay attention enough, but you already have that. You have it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (38:49) I want to try to feel it a little bit more. How can it be with love of friends? Is there a difference between talking about love of friends and bestowing to the friends?
M. Laitman: Bestowal is the expression, and love is the essence of the connection.
Student: When we speak about bestowing to the friends, it seems as though there is a difference between bestowing to the friends and bestowing to the Creator.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How can it be that there is true bestowal to the friends without the Creator being felt and participating in this action?
M. Laitman: No, He participates incognito or revealed.
Student: So, we can reach bestowal to the friends without, I mean, in what manner we do not feel the Creator so that we need to add that.
M. Laitman: First of all, we need to see what we're missing, and to start seeing whether by this we can turn to the Creator. And then we aim ourselves, and we return there.
Student: By reaching bestowal between us, in that, isn't the bestowal and contentment to the Creator revealed already?
M. Laitman: That's the previous step. From love of the created beings to love of the Creator, it's called.
Student: So, I don't quite manage to feel the difference, the gap here. If we have an inclination, not even an inclination in actual bestowal and giving something to each other, how can it be that we're in this action without discovering the Creator? Or I would say, the more we improve this action of bestowing to each other, in that the Creator becomes more revealed. But Rav says that, apparently, there's another degree here, that we have to bestow to him, to the Creator. What does it mean that we bestow to Him, if it's not in bestowing to each other?
M. Laitman: To bestow to the Creator is a general thing. It's not individual to each and every one that I'm bestowing with the friends. Rather, it's either a general love or a general way to relate.
Student: What would we have liked to be born out of the mutual bestowal between us, is that it?
M. Laitman: What we want to come out of it?
Student: Yes, when we speak about bestowing in general, bestowing to the Creator.
M. Laitman: Let's say, from the love of the created beings, to the love of the Creator. So, all together, if we relate this way to the group, then, out of that, I can start to feel my love towards the next, to the higher degree, which is towards the Creator. You understand that because I'm joining one to the other, all my friends, and if I relate to them already truly with love, then that's how I bestow to the Creator, who's inside the Ten.
Student: So, actually, at the end of the love of friends, this action, I'm already bestowing to the Creator, or is there another effort?
M. Laitman: No. If I bestow to the Ten, then through it, I bestow to the Creator.
Student: In our state, should we distinguish somehow between these two things, Rav, on the degree that we are on, or is it enough for us that we try to bestow to the friends, to build this vessel of love of friends?
M. Laitman: We need to try and bestow to the friends, all the friends in the Ten, to whatever extent that you're capable, also physically it could be, and that's it.
Student: The Creator, how should we hold him?
M. Laitman: The Creator will be revealed. He helps us and it's revealed within them.
Student: So, for the time being, in love of friends, I just use the Creator. I pray, I ask for forces?
M. Laitman: Yes, and when I start to feel my attitude towards the friends, the attitude of love, then from that, I start to come closer to the Creator. Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (43:55) What is a strong vessel?
M. Laitman: I don't hear.
Student: A strong vessel. In order to bestow to the Creator, we have to bring a strong vessel all the time. What does it mean to make a strong vessel?
M. Laitman: A strong vessel? Great coarseness, a great screen, and a great light that fills them. That's a strong vessel.
Student: He says that actually we want to adhere to the Creator, adhere to each other and to the Creator. This deficiency that we feel each time that we are not doing enough, that we constantly want to ask the Creator for these forces, this is actually a vessel that is worthy of being in adhesion of the Creator each time, but he says the feeling is the opposite in the fact then we feel all the time that we want to make this demand each and every day to be more in adhesion. What we did today and so far, it's not enough.
M. Laitman: It's always like that.
Student: So how do we reach this feeling that between us, in the connection between us, we will bring this deficiency every day? That we will feel that we want more effort and more effort?
M. Laitman: It will happen. First of all, in the fact that you are passing these feelings between you and it's kind of like with a disease; the way they're contagious, they pass from one to another, the microbes. But so, this is how we receive and the reason we receive is because we're growing, so the upper light operates on us more and awakens us more.
Student: This game that we play, that we draw the light by playing, in the beginning. I mean, it's a game, we don't really reach true love immediately. First, we play a game.
M. Laitman: Yes, yes, yes.
Student: So, I'm asking, when do we start? When are we supposed to start to feel between us that this game gradually becomes more and more real? Because this game doesn't remain a game all the time, right?
M. Laitman: This depends on the extent to which a person invests himself.
Student: Invests in what?
M. Laitman: In being in spiritual actions, in the acts of connection in the group.
Student: I understand. Now, he gives another example here, about a blind person, someone who's born blind, and you can't teach him because he can't know what light is because he was born blind.
M. Laitman: Yes
Student: This example between us, I don't know if this comparison is correct, but are we like blind people? We were born in the nature of the will to receive, and we don't know what it means to love or to bestow. So, how do we actually discover qualities? The nature of bestowing. People are blind, and we don't even know what light is.
M. Laitman: No, we discover this quality itself, the quality of bestowal, in accordance with our efforts to rise up. It settles in us, it comes and is revealed in us and then, accordingly, we have acts of bestowal, the desire to bestow.
Student: So, only out of the effort that each time I want more and more?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: There I discover more and more this vessel called love of a friend and bestowing to the Creator.
M. Laitman: First, love of friends, and then to bestow to the Creator, or first to bestow to the Creator, and then love of friends. That's something that needs to be scrutinized.
Student: Why am I asking, Rav? Because sometimes you feel that the friends, even to me sometimes, suddenly you feel, that's it, I've reached a certain point, and you say, wow, great and I feel that I've come to a place of rest.
M. Laitman: Well, okay for now,
Student: How to reach this, not to reach this rest like I asked before, how to form a strong vessel so this won't just make us stand good? This illness will push us not just to stay rest; it warns us about falling back, regressing.
M. Laitman: That happens sometimes too in order to teach you how to watch over the state that you attain. Climb and fall and climb again. There are many things in this,
Student: Specifically in these states. This tool of each one shall help his friend, is a very important tool on the way, right?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (48:46) We know that everything starts from the Creator. When I approach the love of friends, knowing that I want to connect to the Creator, actually it starts with the Creator. My inner intention towards the love of friends should hold the Creator? In what way should it hold the Creator when I approach the friends?
M. Laitman: That we need to discover Him, because the Creator is the whole world, the whole of reality. He includes the whole of reality and the friends, here and there, like dots.
Student: How can I rise above reason and know that this is always between the friends, because with all the people here, each one in his stand, he will know that until the end of time and beyond, then all of our efforts will be different.
M. Laitman: I don't know what you're speaking of. We need to do what is written for you. That's it. Do that and then we will reach something else.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (50:28) He writes, and we are all familiar with that. Also, a song written about it. Hence, let me remind you the validity of the love of friends in spite of everything at this time, that on this, our right to exist depends and in it, our near to come success is measured. He says that our right to exist depends on that.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Meaning, there's nothing in this world that is more important than that.
M. Laitman: That's the Kli with which you move from one world to the next.
Student: That he says, therefore, turn away from all the imaginary engagements. What does that mean?
M. Laitman: That all your efforts that are not aimed towards the purpose of creation.
Student: OK. Now, when I mean, you said before we have to reach a state where we are truly, we truly care for the friend.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: From that comes some certain feeling of nearing, maybe drawing the light.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Now, in me, it creates the opposite. I say to myself, how come my friends don't see that this is the most important thing and I feel criticism towards them.
M. Laitman: Question, what's the question?
Student: So, how do we work with this criticism instead of concern?
M. Laitman: We need both this and that. First to receive these things as existent and that I have to connect them together and deal with them.
Student: I don't know exactly what you explained. Now, how do I cope with it? You feel criticism instead of concern.
M. Laitman: Critique over what?
Student: It's not important for the friends. They don't move away from their imaginary engagements the way I see it. That's my criticism.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, how about this criticism I actually do the opposite. I create care and mercy towards this friend who doesn't manage to be.
M. Laitman: Well, they have eyes but see not. You don’t see. You need to come to a state where you will see all your friends. Let's say they're not changing from now on but you need to see them in better and better states, more exalted states.
Student: So, what, do I cover my eyes? I open my heart and cover my eyes?
M. Laitman: You probably need to put a barrier on your heart.
Student: My heart or eyes?
M. Laitman: Your heart.
Student: But in my eyes, I see it's not important for them. Maybe in my heart, they should feel that.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (53:29) Rav earlier answered the friend that if two external people who are not studying the wisdom of Kabbalah, they can reach brotherly love, but the Creator will not be revealed to them because they are not studying the wisdom of Kabbalah. I'm trying to understand what is bad with that kind of love of this world, corporeal love, like, let's say, friends in the army have. I heard Rav speak about a gang of criminals that can also reach truly mutual Arvut, mutual responsibility between them. If I feel such love of this world to the friends in the Ten, why from that I cannot reach, I cannot advance to spirituality?
M. Laitman: You can advance, but you can't enter spirituality.
Student: What's missing there?
M. Laitman: You're missing the knowledge of the spiritual laws and the laws of the Ten, and to work in them.
Student: So, so long as I continue with this love in the Ten, and we're in the lessons, and we hear from Rav what the spiritual laws are. Is it possible to advance in this way?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:49) Why the Creator strikes a person with his main vessel of work, and the more a person is greater, they make it more difficult for him. Why is that?
M. Laitman: So that he will advance more.
Question (Women PT 6): (55:15) One who is adhered to the Creator feels that he's not in adhesion. Is the Kabbalist always afraid that he's not in adhesion?
M. Laitman: Yes, that's true.
Student: They continue. What does it mean to begin to bond in love in a true manner?
M. Laitman: Every day a person sees himself, and to what extent today, maybe a little more than yesterday, but less than what it should be and so, one raises a prayer. That feeling itself is already a prayer.
Student: What is in the love of people that brings us to the love of the Creator?
M. Laitman: Because it is a part of the general love, which is called the love of the Creator. Which is why, through this we get there. That's how we come, through the love of the Creator beings, we come to the love of the Creator.
Question (PT 5): (56:28) In order to love the friends, do I need to feel the love of the Creator towards them?
M. Laitman: Well, you can't feel the love of the Creator towards them. You can't. To depict it, you can and then you will really be able to appreciate them more.
Question (Women PT 23): (56:54) What does it mean to be afraid to regress, to fall back?
M. Laitman: That a person doesn't feel, but it could be that he begins to descend from some state which he reached, some apex that he was in, and now he's starting to, how should we say, to slide back.
Question (Women Rehovot 1): (57:34) How is bestowal to the friends manifested? What is the manifestation, the expression of bestowing to the friends in the Ten?
M. Laitman: I don't know how to say it, but it needs to be concealed, incognito, really concealed. I saw this on Rabash, in the cases in which he didn't hold himself back, to what extent he was sorry for someone. Yes. So, I don't have words to pass this along, but certainly to be sorrow up to tears and in the most internal way, identifying as much as possible.
Question (Women MAK 6): (58:55) They're asking, how to attach, to be attached to Rav for eternity?
M. Laitman: For what? That's not a commandment. That's not a commandment. Leave me.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (59:20) Good morning. Rav, we touched during the lesson the matter of fear, spiritual fear. Spiritual fear is an individual feeling of each person?
M. Laitman: Yes, but it can usually be as a result of a Ten, of the group, of the work of the people around you.
Student: So, what should I guard in the work? We know that before attaining the love of the Creator, we have to reach fear of the Creator, but we are in an earlier stage, we are trying to reach the love of friends. Seemingly, we don't attain that state of fear. How can we be in fear that maybe I'm harming the friends?
M. Laitman: Here, it truly needs to be revealed. You could say here the platform could be revealed.
Student: The basis?
M. Laitman: Yes, the basis, the foundations of fear. Why are you afraid? What exactly are you afraid of? How to overcome it? How to use it? By that, a person learns with time.
Student: Because precisely here that is a matter that we are missing out on. Towards the outside, we have to show confidence and joy. I don't know, my Ten is better, but we’re somehow missing out here on that state of fear. How do we keep this? It's a matter of such subtleness of the soul.
M. Laitman: Fear is a very important thing and we need to constantly try to locate it, feel it, measure it.
Student: So, I should be in that state where I keep it.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:01:38) I have it written down here from 2009. What is an imaginary engagement? It's an effort to feel oneself beyond necessity.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Then it says, it's written that necessity is everything that a person determines that he would be happy to get rid of it, but he is not capable of that. So, the question is, can a group, a Ten determine for a person what is his necessity, or is it only he himself that determines it?
M. Laitman: That's best. That I can turn to some device or group, a group of wise people, who will give me the list of the necessary things. I don't think that it's possible. That's something that a person himself needs to do and needs to work on it and this is how he passes it from corporeality to spirituality, a lot of his demands.
Student: Meaning, this is individual work of a person to determine his necessity.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: It constantly changes according to the values that the person receives. It undergoes changes.
M. Laitman: Of course, we're not talking about how much you eat. Even though it's written, eat a piece of bread and drink water, but that's not the problem.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:03:20) You answered the question before, what is the expression of love towards, of bestowing to the friends in the Ten? You said it has to be concealed, very hidden and you mentioned Rabash, where the moment he couldn't hold himself back, how much he regretted, he was sorry for someone.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Why should it be concealed?
M. Laitman: Because Kabbalists altogether do not disclose to us. There's not much to reveal to us, but the Kabbalists who have already attainments and feelings in very exalted manners, they need to keep it inside and not disclose it outwards.
Student: Why not disclose it?
M. Laitman: It will corrupt the person who sees it and the person who's not in the degree like me. If he's in my degree, it's not a problem. So, what I can say to him, he already also is disclosed to him, or is about to appear to him somewhat but Kabbalists relatively work everything in concealment.
Student: I'm asking about our society. Isn't this a way to give an example, to show each other?
M. Laitman: In certain cases, in a way that is acceptable for us, we can talk about it but again, this is very delicate work.
Student: The expression of bestowal, deep emotional sympathy, or identification with the joy of the friend, or the sorrow of the friend.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:05:19) We heard now about feeling the sorrow of the friend, participating in the friend's sorrow. I understand that this is a correction, a result of some correction. Because earlier, before that, one doesn't regret it. Now something moved in his heart, and he already feels the sorrow of the friend.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Now, a correction is the correction of the intention. So, my question is actually, what intention has now changed so that its expression is participating in the sorrow of the friend?
M. Laitman: I don't know.
Student: I now regret with the friend. Before, I didn't regret it. Now I do regret it. So, it shows that something was corrected in me. Corrected in what? In the intention.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, what's my intention now that makes me participate in the sorrow of the friend? And earlier, I didn't have this intention, and I didn't participate.
M. Laitman: The fact that you're participating is already the result. That's already a correction.
Student: Exactly. That's the exact expression of it. Expression of what? Of an intention.
M. Laitman: Of the decree that you received from that, the sorrow that you received from it.
Student: Sorrow is the expression, right?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Expression of what?
M. Laitman: Of what you feel in a friend and the state he's in.
Student: How is that related to correcting the intention?
M. Laitman: Yours?
Student: Yes.
M. Laitman: I don't know how you related to him before, but of course, it impacts the intention.
Student: Meaning, my intention changes, and as a result, I feel sorrow that earlier I wasn't able to feel.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Again, I still don't understand. Okay, I guess I need to think about it. Thanks.
M. Laitman: Well, that's it. Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:07:20) So this sorrow should come by identifying with the friend in the Ten, right? Sympathizing with him?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: When we focus more and more on how much all of our work is in the Ten.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: If I feel that same sorrow outside of the Ten, let's say especially in the situation we have in Israel now. For the sake of things, a few days ago I was in a funeral of a soldier who died in Gaza. When I went to comfort his parents, I felt a very deep sorrow. It stung me in a way that I didn't feel for a long time.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I was thinking that such an emotion, I'm really far from feeling that in the Ten, but I actually felt it on the outside. So, first I'm asking, what is it? Apparently, it's not spiritual, right? I don't know. How can I translate it? How can I feel such things in the Ten?
M. Laitman: It's not spiritual, but it's the influence of the vessel. It's in general many people who are sorrow and sorrow together in it and also in that you find your personal state where you can identify with that person who has fallen.
Student: I think that now we are, by necessity we incorporate with all the sorrow that is felt in our country. And that's a good place for us to work. But nevertheless, we hear more and more, we don't necessarily feel more and more, but we hear more and more about how much all of these feelings should be revealed between us.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, how do we translate it so we can bring it to the feeling between us? What should we add so such feelings, such strong feelings will be alive between us as we now feel by necessity on the outside?
M. Laitman: Our problem is that we're not passing from one to the other our inner feelings. The talk may be yes, but inside, where my heart is there giving these pulses of anxiety towards the general state of the country and all kinds of additional things like that, we don't yet influence one another that way. If we could move between one to the other and to pass from one to the other altogether, collect all these feelings, then certainly from this general feeling, this common feeling, we would attain a lot, and this is still missing for us. Because this defensive force in each of us erases this relation, and we participate, but we can't be in that sorrow but if this sorrow is connected to the goal that is beyond time, movement, and space, then we can sustain it. So, we need to learn this. It will come.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:11:04) How do we convey this inner feeling, like you said, like germs with these diseases? How do we disseminate this inner feeling between us to amplify it? Not that if I'm ill, it will move to others. But if I'm in bestowal, that it will move to others. How can we disseminate this emotion more strongly so that everyone will be infected by it?
M. Laitman: What do you have to do? Under what channels can you pass to everyone?
Student: I don't know. I'm asking about this inner channel. That's what I'm asking about. Not example and words, but internally.
M. Laitman: The most highest inner channel is where you take your friends and with them together you do a certain exercise. And then from the exercise, without words, from the exercise itself, they understand what you're trying to pass to them, what they need to receive, towards what? Towards the Creator, towards His providence, etc. That's what they need. To receive, to integrate in that and then they will receive your entire message.
Student: What exercise, for example, can we do between the friends?
M. Laitman: I don't know, but there are many possibilities. I don't know. Let's say that we have to, let's say go to a funeral of some friend of ours, our common friend between us and to incorporate in some other ways with what he's missing, his family. That's how it is.
Student: I don't feel the sorrow of the friend. I don't feel his sorrow. I don't feel his joy, or I don't take part in his joy. I don't feel it, simply. This is how it is. I don't feel it. What can I do?
M. Laitman: How's that?
Student: What do you mean, how come? This is what I feel. I feel myself.
M. Laitman: Then you need to be sorry, and cry, and to perform all kinds of actions in order to evoke your heart.
Student: So, I should constantly search for the sorrow of the friend, for his pain, and adhere to something in him?
M. Laitman: Yes, because if you feel someone that's in sorrow, then you need to be concerned with feeling his sorrow.
Student: The sorrow and the joy, these are just examples. This actually means all the emotions in the friend, right?
M. Laitman: Yes, but altogether, this is the summary of our feelings.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:14:39) Rav, every time the question comes up in such states, how do I not condemn the Creator in my relation that He is Good and Does Good, that I bring in this sorrow, it's so important, the advice of the Kabbalists. There is a contradiction here and the deep scrutiny. How do we keep this balance?
M. Laitman: Very simple. We get from the Creator both bad things and good things according to our feeling, and we have to sort them and learn how to relate to this and how to relate to that.
Student: According to our feelings. So how do I turn this sorrow into a sorrow that's not egoistic, that I sympathize with?
M. Laitman: Only by adhering to the society. You adhere to the society and you do all the activities together with them.
Student: If I'm alone in this feeling of sorrow?
M. Laitman: It's completely worthless, it's worth nothing. Who else was there?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:15:47) Rav, it seems to me that a whole world opened up here about what we talked about, the inner connection between us.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, a person naturally just feels himself. He can feel whatever he feels, whatever he thinks. How can he measure that what he feels, let's say, or thinks, influences the friends?
M. Laitman: I don't know. Of course, it's impossible to measure it, to weigh it, he's still not in a state where he can weigh by himself truthfully. He can only check the direction. Is it for the sake of the Ten, etc.?
Student: Let's take some examples. Let's say a friend now feels gratitude. He's in a state of gratitude.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: He wants that the friends will also be in such gratitude. Is it enough that he thinks about the friends, that he would like that they too will be in this feeling?
M. Laitman: They must always try to be in a common feeling because without it, it's not a vessel. It's like building something, and then you just let it fall apart.
Student: It needs to be a common feeling in relation to the goal, right? Because just to feel a common feeling, let's say somebody comes in with a bad spirit, so everybody is feeling that way.
M. Laitman: No, no, no.
Student: So, I'm not sure how to ask, but to what extent should we ask, or pray, or want that we will be in such a common feeling?
M. Laitman: As much as we need it. Without it, I don't correct. Do I know what to correct? From where? So, if I don't receive from the outside, meaning from the upper world, from the Creator, or from the group, right? So, who am I? What can I do? Imagine something, fantasize. Of course, it's not a good situation.
Student: I’ll ask differently. We always say that a person examines reality according to his attitude to reality. There's not something that is, there is how you relate to reality. How do you move from relating to reality to our attitude to reality, our relation to reality, our feeling, our reality as a Ten, not my attitude to reality?
M. Laitman: I need to be incorporated in them if they can build a vessel that is in their common feeling and then, let's say, I come from the outside and I annul before that vessel completely. So, I become incorporated in them and I too can say to what extent I am with them or not.
Student: So, the relation needs to be first that they are in some reality, and I nullify towards it, and then I'm a part of it?
M. Laitman: Yes. In order to feel, I always have to annul before the thing that I have to feel.
Student: So that's the question we started with. Now, how do I influence that? How do I add to it? How do I basically transmit what I have to them?
M. Laitman: I first have to be incorporated in them, to annul in them. Along with this annulment, I have to be incorporated in them, and after the incorporation, I have to start, how should I put it, to kind of raise myself, erect myself.
Student: After the incorporation, I'm one with them.
M. Laitman: Yes, but why did I become incorporated?
Student: Yes, what for?
M. Laitman: I got incorporated because I want to bestow upon them. What was the first question?
Student: How do I become a contributing part internally?
M. Laitman: Well, that's it, right? So, I have to be incorporated, and then once I'm incorporated in them, I have to bestow upon them, right? So, I connect in such a way that I become incorporated in them and lead them to some further, higher goal according to where they should have advanced, according to what they want. I only bring them a more real goal, a more truthful one, and likewise every time.
Student: Then again, to nullify, and once again, yes.
M. Laitman: Yes, these are the states I have to go through, one’s annulment, and one’s pulling forward.
Student: This is what you call the inner conversation between us?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:21:51) When a baby gets a burn touching something hot, one will look and be sorry for that, and the other one will be happy because now he knows what is hot.
M. Laitman: One is unrelated to the other.
Student: It's the same action, same consequence. One part says he grew from that, the other feels the pain. What should the created being be sorry for?
M. Laitman: That he didn't come closer to the Creator.
Student: So basically, any action that we incorporate with, that…
M. Laitman: Any action that we come to as a result of it, we check was it a good action or not. If we are in adhesion, increasing adhesion, the action was good. This is how we write it down, we become experienced.
Student: So basically, the ability to rise from sorrow to joy is the distance between the action and the Creator.
M. Laitman: Well, not always. Not always. It may be only a very small part of the way.
Student: The goal, ultimately, is to get closer to Him, to adhere to Him.
M. Laitman: Yes, yes. Then you're right.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:23:44) He sent his students to come up with the right innovations. What are these? Are we making the right innovations according to what you see? Are we doing this right?
M. Laitman: Are we doing this right or not? We will know according to the result.
Student: His students, did they come up with the right ideas? Can we look at them and learn?
M. Laitman: No, we can't learn from them. You don't see them, you don't feel them. Where are they? If you're speaking about the disciples of Baal HaSulam?
Student: Yes.
M. Laitman: They're all in the world of truth. They've all passed away already.
Question (Women Turkiye 7): (01:24:39) How can we feel sorrow of someone else?
M. Laitman: First, we need to see if we are in a corporeal connection, as in this world. Afterwards, if we want to advance in spirituality with the help of this connection, then we have to check our connection between us and the group, or two people checking if we are in this or not and this is how we advance. Yes.
Question (New York 2): (01:25:33) When do I need to incorporate in the friend's sorrow, and when do I need to raise his spirits and take him out of his sorrow?
M. Laitman: Either way, a person has to determine if there is a sorrow of the friend, and he is really influencing others, making it heavier on others when they need to deal with it. Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:26:13) Say we have this system of connection that is somehow organized even though egoistic and so forth, but based on, this is what the friend touched upon, what we need is that third kind of fear that one is afraid of bestowing contentment to the Creator through these connections with the friends. So, this fear, he doesn't write about it here, but that's what we need in those connections, to bestow to the Creator. In a different place, he says the fear is the gate to faith.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So how do we use that fear, say, between us in the Ten?
M. Laitman: If you can work with fear, it is already an advanced spiritual state.
Student: It seems like what we have to do is bestow the greatness of the Creator.
M. Laitman: Yes, there is nothing more than that to bestow.
Student: Now, intellectually, it seems close, like it's possible.
M. Laitman: By all means, go ahead.
Student: So how can you depict this fear?
M. Laitman: How do I help you?
Student: If you can perhaps depict the fear that should be in the Ten.
M. Laitman: So, how can I give fear or joy a shape?
Student: Even more to give shape to fear for the quality of love and bestowal.
M. Laitman: Think.
Student: How to get there?
M. Laitman: I don't know. To reach it? Yes, that's fine. We'll talk about it. But how to depict it?
Student: But this is what it's about. It's either we have it or not.
M. Laitman: Mister, I don't know how to draw feelings, depict feelings. That's it. That's it, guys. Let's move to the next part.
Question (Darom 1): (01:28:44) We see that Baal HaSulam writes to his student that he identifies he is wrong and then he writes to him, your fear. Meaning a person is afraid that I will be far from you. That's your fear. While you should be afraid of you moving away from me.
M. Laitman: So?
Student: Then he tells him that I put a ladder, that you're not using it, that you have to engage in love. Love of friends, of course, which is at least to think and come up with ideas for how to advance in love of friends.
M. Laitman: Yes,
Student: So, what we see here is that Baal HaSulam, out of love, not unconditional love, because he wants to teach, to show his student where he went wrong and it's from his heart. It's not that he judges him, it's a sincere desire to help him. My question, Rav, is if we, in the Ten identify some mistake of a friend that we see might cause him to not advance. Is it our role to talk about it? Of course, in the right attitude.
M. Laitman: Yes, yes, of course.
Question (Ashkelon 2): (01:30:41) Relating to the first part where he talks about the order of development, let's say from love, from fear to love. Let's say that an anger, complaint, ego erupted from me towards the friends or a friend towards me, and I made an overcoming. Does he say there that in terms of what to keep and what to improve, how to improve the work, I have to wait until I achieve the development of love? I overcame and I stopped the growth of the evil, but now I have to get to a point where I cover everything with love, and then see and say, okay, how can I improve?
M. Laitman: Yes. Yes. Okay.
Question (Asia): (01:32:01) The sorrow of animals or the sorrow of bestowal, what's the difference?
M. Laitman: I don't know. I don't know.
Question (Asia): (01:32:18) Is being sorry for a friend who was hurt or something like that, or can't do his, say, corporeal work, is that an animalistic sorrow or a sorrow because he can't bestow to the Creator. because he didn't have an opportunity to love. Is that sorrow of bestowal?
M. Laitman: Yes,
Question (Turkiye 2): (01:32:51) Dear Rav, what is true love to the friends?
M. Laitman: I can't explain this to you. What is love? I can bring you a thousand songs, a thousand films. How do I explain what love is to you? Love is a feeling in the heart from one person to another person, or toward the Creator, or toward operations, actions that he can detect in which, in this revelation, he sees that someone outside of him is relating to him, it's hard to say here, relates to him with 100% correctly and positively with respect to his vessel, his purpose of life.
Question (Kyiv 1): (01:34:11) You said that the highest degree of connection, if I understood you correctly, is an exercise that we do in the Ten in regards to the Creator. What is this exercise that could be for the Ten?
M. Laitman: Take it and think for yourselves. You have a Ten, you understand what to do and we can all learn from this something good.
Question (Moscow 1): (01:34:52) We learn that if the Creator gives us pleasure every moment, there's an opportunity to relate to it with love but how to relate with love if there's no sense of pleasure?
M. Laitman: In no way. You first have to discover the Creator and His operations towards you and only then you'll be able to appreciate His actions but if you still don't see what He's doing with you even though it's certain that He's operating on you, then you can't reach any conclusion and as a result, you can't act toward Him.
Student: Meaning, this contrast is given to us to conduct this search.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Hadera 1): (01:35:56) Fear and sorrow appear only after there's revelation of the Creator.
M. Laitman: No, no. If a person takes upon himself the laws of nature and wants to organize himself according to the laws of nature even though nature is still not revealed as God but as nature, it is enough for a person to be able to measure himself with sorrow.
Student: Shouldn't we get to a state where we sanctify the Creator to discover His true revelation?
M. Laitman: No. Okay, guys, what are we doing next?
Reader: We'll go to the next part of the lesson, from the Preface to the Commentary of the Ladder, and we'll start singing a song first.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Song: (01:36:59)