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Daily Lesson (Morning) March 8, 2024
Part 1: Rabash. Article No. 14, 1984. One Should Always Sell Everything He Has and Marry a Wise Disciple’s Daughter.
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Reading Article: (00:40) “One should always sell everything he has and marry…”
Student: (17:17) He writes that “in order to marry a wise disciple's daughter, you have to sell everything”. Why sell and not give?
M. Laitman: I did not understand the question.
Student: He writes that “to marry the daughter of a wise disciple”, he says to sell. Why sell everything one has?
M. Laitman: In order to pay what is required for her.
Student: What does he receive?
M. Laitman: He receives money, I do not know.
M. Laitman: What, In order to purchase? To acquire the wife, he needs to pay and whatever is the customary payment that needs to be paid, he has to pay.
Student: That's in this world.
M. Laitman: In this world?
Student: Does he write about this world?
M. Laitman: No, no, no. He is writing about this world. Go to the Bedouins in the Negev, somewhere, and ask them.
Student: How do you get married?
M. Laitman: You come to the family that has an eligible woman, and they want to acquire her, buy her.
Student: What does it teach us, though, in principle?
M. Laitman: A woman, a wife, is called Malchut. For you to have such vessels, you need to pay for them. To work a few years or to bring something.
Student: When he writes that “one who becomes religious”, it's harder for him to bestow. What is that state, being religious?
M. Laitman: To a person that becomes religious. To the extent in which he becomes more associated with bestowal, it's more difficult for him to bestow because now he has to overcome also the vessels of bestowal that he wants to acquire and receive so that they will be in order to bestow.
Student: (20:11) He says that if I make actions of bestowal by Torah and Mitzvot, sparks of bestowal enter the work. What does that mean?
M. Laitman: Some of the real forces of bestowal that exist in spirituality are already being revealed to him.
Student: This is by efforts to connect and always demand this quality of bestowal and love from the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: (21:00) If I understood correctly, Rabash here gives a measurement to the will to receive. He talks about thirty percent; he mentions that number. That when a person is outside and when a person is in spirituality, he can receive, let's say, seventy percent. My question is what do we need to do to really reach one hundred percent of a will to receive where the intention is ultimately to correct it and use it to bestow? Maybe I'll add actions in the Ten and maybe even more, there are effective actions. But give us some advice, maybe, how can we, I would say, awaken the light that reforms that will increase our will to receive even more? So that ultimately we can reach bestowal.
M. Laitman: We need to observe that which is written to us by the Torah of Baal HaSulam and Rabash. Then we will get there. We must start to discover, to reveal what they meant.
Student: Maybe to refine it, Rav, that everyone will understand, including me.
M. Laitman: Connection, prayer to the Creator for Him to help us to raise ourselves above the desire to receive. That is what we need? Thank you, Rav.
Student: (23:04) He says, if they are awarded, they come down like a lion, otherwise like a dog. What do we need to do to be a lion and not a dog?
M. Laitman: We need to know what state we are in relative to unity, towards connection, towards adhesion, to the extent in which we need to try and pay for this adhesion that we want to achieve, to attain. This is where the entire question that we have comes up is, what do I need to pay? Meaning, what is missing that I need to give?
Student: In relation to what do I measure it objectively?
M. Laitman: In what I am in, what I take from myself and pass to the society to the Creator as much as I am willing and ready for that. Only in order to acquire vessels of bestowal.
Student: (25:09) Good morning, Rav, friends. There is a problem here too. He says, by this we will understand, those who become religious say that before they did so it was easier for them to make actions of bestowal and after they became religious they feel it is more difficult for them to make acts of bestowal. What does it mean? Before I started studying Kabbalah, let's say, I had more force to do spiritual work and as I started studying Kabbalah, these forces left me, that's what he says?
M. Laitman: Could be.
Student: What does he mean when he says “religious”? Who are these religious he talks about?
M. Laitman: “Religious” are those who observe the Torah and Mitzvot.
Student: What does it mean?
M. Laitman: What does it mean? It means that he prays, he lays the Tefillin on himself, daily. He tries to keep himself from the evil eye, and from slander, and all the …
Student: You are talking about external work.
M. Laitman: What is external?
Student: You have to go to the synagogue every morning to lay the Tefillin. Yes, yes.
M. Laitman: What is the spiritual work here? Look what he says, he says “those who become religious say that before they did so, they had more strength to make acts of bestowal”. What is that?
M. Laitman: Well, they were doing something, giving charity, doing something.
Student: He says those who became religious feel that it's more difficult for them to make acts of bestowal. Why is it in such an opposite way?
M. Laitman: Difficult because now they see what they have to do in order to reach what they read from the books that they need to reach.
Student: It's a completely different work?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: (27:36) I wanted to ask, he writes that the main thing is to attain vessels of bestowal, and also that the will to receive doesn't end with the desire to receive spirituality. What is the difference between that and vessels of bestowal? Is it the same thing? Is it something else?
M. Laitman: Yes, the desire to receive spirituality, meaning that he wants to receive a connection to the bestowal, thoughts to bestow. To the ability to come closer to and that is how he wants to advance.
Student: Vessels of bestowal, is it a kind of a will to receive what exactly are vessels of bestowal?
M. Laitman: Vessels of bestowal are actions of different kinds. It could be to bestow it could be to receive. It could be not to do anything but where their intention will be to bestow to another.
Student: Vessels of bestowal is the intention?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What does it mean, a desire to receive spirituality?
M. Laitman: That he wants to advance in spirituality by this.
Student: It's still called to receive whereas bestowing, bestowal if it's a will to receive spirituality.
M. Laitman: A desire to receive, but what does he want to receive? He wants to receive more of the ability to bestow.
Student: But in wanting more ability to bestow, what differentiates it from normal reception because it's still a desire to receive?
M. Laitman: The intention, his intention, what he wants to accomplish by this action.
Student: Last question, how does the intention begin to change in the person that he begins to put intentions over actions how does it begin to start happening in reality?
M. Laitman: That depends on the extent in which he is in the society that wants to reach qualities of bestowal. Where they measure a person not according to the extent in which he receives or gives, but rather how much intention he has to give.
Student: How do you measure intentions? When you look at a person, how can you measure his intentions?
M. Laitman: I do not know, that is why it is called the Torah of the concealed.
Student: But you said a person is measured by his intentions, so how do you measure them?
M. Laitman: The person himself.
Student: He examines himself?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: He says,” One should always sell everything he has”. What does a person have?
M. Laitman: All his forces, all his opinions, all his desires, thoughts, hopes, all that he has he should rid himself from everything and know only that he needs only one thing, the desire to bestow.
Student: How do I pay that in the Ten?
M. Laitman: You pay either in the whole world or in the Ten or towards the Creator it doesn't matter where, from himself.
Student: A person decides how he should pay or the payment is determined from above?
M. Laitman: No, the Creator sends all kinds of opportunities and a person, according to his ability, chooses what he has to do with it.
Student: When a person comes to buy it, it's something that pays off, the force of bestowal. It sounds like he sells everything for something that's worth it.
M. Laitman: It is not in one action it's a series of actions.
Student: (32:30) How does he not confuse himself that he has intentions to bestow, what's the test?
M. Laitman: The test he performs of what he is doing is only if it is for the benefit of others.
Student: He gives a great example that man has mercy for the others and because of conscience he goes to fill the others to actually calm down his conscience?
M. Laitman: Well, okay that is not considered for the benefit of the other, it is for the benefit of his own conscience.
Student: How does a person truly scrutinize it?
M. Laitman: How does a person truly scrutinize it, only a person knows how to do that and not someone from the side. He sees, understands, feels and measures what is happening with him. What opportunity he has and what he wants to do and then he concentrates his forces and how to make an act of bestowal.
Student: How does he identify from all the opportunities what is the most effective?
M. Laitman: In what he feels that, he is in less thoughts about himself.
Student: With respect to what?
M. Laitman: With respect to the other that he wants to do something for him.
Student: Many times we define our work that the first line, the first circle of the others for us is the Ten. It is correct to say that first, we have to measure ourselves against that, these others?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So towards these others I want to make sure my intentions are for their sake?
M. Laitman: Yes, thank you. Okay.
Student: (35:43) He writes, “The will to receive becomes greater, therefore it is more difficult to overcome it. On one hand, when we advance, the will to receive becomes greater, worse. On the other hand, man is expected to improve in the examples he gives to his friends. How do these things work together? We know that only by examples we give one to the other, by this we can help each other. If I become worse how will I set a good example?
M. Laitman: I didn’t understand.
Student: I need to give my friends an example for connection in the importance of spirituality, that's on the one hand. On the other hand, I also have to improve in that. I think that if I advance on our path, then I have to, also, become better at the examples I give. But I also become worse, man becomes coarser or tougher. How can he give a good example to the friends?
M. Laitman: He tries with those same forces he has, desires he has, opportunities he has, to show that he is in bestowal.
Student: To exactly the point, how do you give an example? I can give an example of devotion, and persistence, and industriousness. But what's a spiritual example? I want to give my friend an example that will awaken his desire for spirituality. Not that he'll see that, oh, he does a lot, he always comes to meetings with friends. How do you give a spiritual example?
M. Laitman: You can't see spirituality because it's all in the intention. As you are now in the intention, as you're doing it. Where you want everything to be for the benefit of the friend, that is the thought.
Student: The friend will feel that intention?
M. Laitman: Maybe yes, maybe no but we are talking about you.
Student: We feel that our teacher gives a spiritual example and it's a feeling and we want to learn from it. How do we give a spiritual example? A spiritual importance not corporeal that he's industrious and diligent and dedicated but that there's a feeling?
M. Laitman: He cannot move past the spiritual feeling from one person to another. It depends on a person's vessels.
Student: I need so when I give an example, as the giver of the example, the order at the cover. Do I give the example that will best awaken the friend to spirituality?
M. Laitman: As much as you can, you need to do it and as much as the friend can grasp and feel it and he will take it.
Student: What makes an act, an act of the bestowal? What makes an action one of bestowal?
M. Laitman: It is the intention that rides upon the action.
Student: Growth of the will to receive makes it more difficult to be in an intention to bestow or easier?
M. Laitman: The growing of the will to receive makes the action greater, in essence.
Student: The person himself becomes more difficult to do it because his desire resists or not necessarily?
M. Laitman: Could be that person does not feel that, but usually it does grow.
Student: What gives him the strength to overcome their desire that grew?
M. Laitman: Because he really wants to make it in order to bestow.
Student: It says that the people of Israel can make acts of bestowal. What does it mean the people of Israel?
R. Those who want to invert their intention from in order to receive to in order to bestow.
Student: Is there a connection to a physical group or is it an inner state of a person?
M. Laitman: An inner state?
Student: (42:00) It says here, it turns out that he goes forward to attain more evil in order to correct it. But all the beginnings are difficult, that is why he thinks that now he becomes worse. A person thinks he is becoming worse but in practice, he also has a good part that grows.
M. Laitman: He does not feel that good feels the good, the good part but the bad part is greater and greater each time that is why it seems to him like he is becoming worse.
Student: (42:57) He writes that a person thinks he's going backward but actually, it's all opposite and he has to do all kinds of remedies to defeat the evil that he achieved. We know the remedies are within the Ten. He also writes that all the beginnings are difficult. How do we skip over that because I have a Ten? Now I have the greatest force in this reality, why is the beginning still difficult? How do we help each other not have such a difficult beginning or make it easier to overcome?
M. Laitman: It is always more difficult with each desire that is being revealed that you need to define your intention in order to bestow upon. Each time is always more difficult because each desire is bigger.
Student: Now I have a Ten?
M. Laitman: Now too you have a Ten.
Student: How do I work correctly with them? Is it just a term on the shelf?
M. Laitman: You depict yourself that you are going together with them, that you are doing it for them, and that you receive from them forces for the current action and that's it and that's how you advance so of course every action is greater, more difficult, more meaningful but there's no choice. This is how we advance.
Student: What does it mean that I actually correct my evil?
M. Laitman: Each time you discover yourself, you discover that your desire is greater and it's bigger and more and then you need to muscle the forces and for this desire not to bother you, you reach acts of bestowal.
Student: With everything said, and with having a Ten, what does it mean that I correct the evil? How do I come and correct it? I identify with this wicked cunning evil, then what?
M. Laitman: Now you need to receive above it the force to, despite the fact that it was revealed as worse in you, you are inverting it in order to bestow.
Student: It's basically what you discussed with the friend, that I need to think about what I can give them.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Is this the inversion that happens?
Student: Turkiye 2. (46:26) He writes here that it turns out that most of our work is to engage to receive vessels, to receive the abundance, which are vessels of bestowal. What efforts will enable us to be able to receive that, those vessels of receiving the abundance?
M. Laitman: What's the beginning of the question?
Student: What efforts will enable us to be able to receive vessels to receive the abundance?
M. Laitman: Efforts in connection between us, and that's it. Efforts in connection between us, mutual support, mutual assistance, very important. There's nothing more important than a person seeing that his group is yearning to be able to go forward and everyone is aimed at the goal, that at the goal we all connect together and cling to the Creator. That pushes the person and carries him forward and attracts him into the group. That's what we have to show to each other. Okay you agree?
Student: Moscow 1. (48:21) To be religious, could it be a stage before Lishma?
M. Laitman: What do you mean religious?
Student: The one that observes what is written here?
M. Laitman: I wouldn't even think about it. What's important for us is to be connected between us, to help each other, feel that we're in a single boat.
Student: MAK 4 (49:16) If I bring the friends into my desire for it to be for their benefit is that a corrected intention?
M. Laitman: Probably, yes.
Student: It's very unpleasant to ask the Creator for this correction because alone it's hard to carry this out.
M. Laitman: I think we have to ask of the Creator to give us the possibility to be in a shared single intention.
Student: Kyiv 4.(50:10) It's written in the article that the desire to receive constantly grows, becomes more cunning. At what moment do we need to sell everything we have and to marry the daughter of the wise disciple?
M. Laitman: Say it again from the beginning.
Student: Every action, every desire that we have we have to check whether it matches being similar to the Creator. Only after we begin to work on each and every desire to give it a shape that is similar to the Creator, then we begin to move forward.
Student: What does it mean that I give the desire a form that's similar to the Creator? Let's say, some desire, some state comes to me and I see that it's not spiritual, it draws me to some side. How do I give it a spiritual form?
M. Laitman: Well, the thing is, how to put it. I take my desires and I begin to examine them. With what desires can I work towards work and bestowal to the friends, the group, to the others in general, to the Creator. Such desires I begin to correct, to equalize their form of bestowal. The desires that I can't do it with them yet, I put aside.
Student: How to correctly sell everything you have?
M. Laitman: It depends on the extent to which you elevate the quality of bestowal, getting closer to the Creator above the quality of reception.
Student: Baltia 4. (53:07) The question is, people who come into my life, can I say that they correct me or do I correct them?
M. Laitman: They help you become corrected and you help them. It's mutual.
Student: 50-50?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Kavkaz. (53:59) It's written here that if he takes the daughter of a wise disciple he merits wholeness. Who is the daughter of the wise disciple and how can I make sure that she is the daughter of a wise disciple and not someone else's daughter?
M. Laitman: A daughter of a wise disciple means such a desire that clearly leads the person to the Creator.
Student: How can you understand that she is the daughter of a wise disciple?
M. Laitman: That depends on your efforts in the study and connection with the friends.
Student: Women Latin 25 (54:32) He advanced in order to correct more of the evil and all the beginnings are difficult. How to overcome all the difficult beginnings?
M. Laitman: Only by connection, only by connection with the friends where each one can get an example and thus advance, otherwise it will be very difficult.
Student: Women Latin 1. (55:21) It is written meaning that every thought, speaking and action will be only in order to bestow to the Creator contentment because that's all of man. The question, if the thought precedes the action, how does the action become bestowal or reception especially since there are bad thoughts?
M. Laitman: The question again?
Student: How does the thought become bestowing and not reception when there are bad thoughts?
M. Laitman: That's by the intention that I wish by the thought, by the action that I do I want to advance towards the purpose of creation.
Student: Women Turkiye 10. (56:26) An action that begins with the intention to bestow to others many times brings pleasure in the end. What do we need to do with this pleasure? Does that pleasure cancel the intention with which we began?
M. Laitman: Again.
Student: We want to do an act towards others, many times we then later say that it's pleasure for us. The question is what do we do with this pleasure and does it cancel the intention we wanted to build in the beginning for it to be for the benefit of others?
M. Laitman: That too, we aim for the benefit of others.
Student: Women Turkiye 7. (57:10) I heard from you many times not to be a wise person. What's bad with being wise or smart?
M. Laitman: Because the wise always tries for ways to perhaps not do the action that he has to do of bestowal and therefore the simplest thing is that from the desire that awakens in us, that appears in us that we have to grow from it.
Student: Can a person attain bestowal without being an egoist?
M. Laitman: No. First of all there's no person who's not an egoist but if he wants to be more in bestowal he has to be more of an egoist first and then identify his exaggerated ego and correct it. That's the only way we ascend.
Student: (59:16) What does it mean to sell?
M. Laitman: To replace.
Student: What does a person have to replace what can he give?
M. Laitman: Something that I have.
Student: What does a person have that he can give in lieu of the desire to bestow?
M. Laitman: That he has some benefit in his will to receive that he replaces it with some gain in the will to bestow power, understanding, something.
Student: When a person stands before the king, he feels like he's naked and lacks everything that he has nothing. It's like he has nothing to give for this quality, he feels unworthy and he also has nothing to give for it. In that state how do we come out of it as if I have nothing to give and I nevertheless want, how do we get the quality of bestowal? I don't understand that, or do I choose something here? When I'm in that state that I feel naked and I have nothing, what do I actually sell?
M. Laitman: You sell your desire; it doesn't matter what you're willing to do only to receive the quality of bestowal.
Student: When I'm in a state that I'm naked, I have nothing it's just like we saw with the prayer of the poor, and he wants to attain the quality of bestowal and to advance in this way, how does the Creator receive that prayer for him to give him something? What can the Creator do to give him something nevertheless?
M. Laitman: Man wants to get rid of some will to receive and replace it with a will to bestow. So it's clear to him, it's clear to everyone basically, what that action is that the Creator replaces it for him. Give an example.
M. Laitman: I'm trying to feel, a person that feels in such a state that he has nothing to give and he doesn't do something unworthy, he nevertheless has to give something, so what does he actually give?
M. Laitman: His desire.
Student: His desire for what?
M. Laitman: No, his desire, that from all my desires I give a certain desire for executing it for the sake of the Creator.
Student: Despite the fact that I feel like I have nothing to give?
M. Laitman: Just like you have 24 hours a day and you cut two hours of it and dedicate it to the Creator.
Student: (01:02:37) He describes three states here, he says the nations of the world with reception for himself only, Israel is bestowal in corporeality and bestowal in spirituality. How do you move from the nations of the world to a state of Israel?
M. Laitman: In the group.
Student: But it is all inside of us in the group.
Student: A person who exists in a correct society and he feels that he wants to be as people who advance, then he makes actions, he looks at them and does what they do?
Student: Would it be right to say that moving from the nations of the world to the state of Israel is more difficult than the transition from Israel bestowal in corporeality to Israel in spirituality?
M. Laitman: I don't know I don't know. Difficult or not depending who to whom and what and how.
Student: (01:03:52) A question from a friend, a religious person checks himself all day long about externality, the order of his prayers, and all the external actions that they do, that's how he examines himself all the time, how he is in the right, his right intention. How do we throughout the day, how can we aim ourselves most correctly to make sure that we're in the right direction?
M. Laitman: Only by self-examination.
Student: What is that self-examination, actually? What do I need to check?
M. Laitman: Is my thought about the friends and the whole of creation in general and that in all those that I am aimed at the Creator that He will pull us, help us, align ourselves to Him.
Student: Meaning we need to implement that thought of direct to the Creator all the time?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes.
Student: (01:05:09) I hope I am asking correctly, there's the efforts a person makes to make an intention. I can see to the extent in which this desire can be worked with in order to bestow, let's say the lesson we're sitting in the lesson now and throughout the lesson a person tries to aim towards the friends and to bestow contentment to the Creator. But intention, the Creator gives a person. What's the difference, let's say for the sake of the matter, there's a lesson that we don't do intentions. We're sitting, and all of a sudden we are impressed from the lesson, we get some kind of feeling of filling. I'd say maybe a spiritual feeling, maybe it's something else. Is there a connection between the effort a person makes to acquire the quality of bestowal and him receiving the quality of bestowal?
M. Laitman: I don't understand what you said before. What's the connection between what you're asking now, and this?
Student: I'm trying to ask whether a person makes efforts in the lesson. I'm giving you an example of the lesson. It's the easiest, but when a person sits in the lesson and makes efforts for this to be in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: This is not considered that it's in order to bestow. That's not unrelated to the text of the lesson. One wants to be connected to the friends in order to participate with them in the intention of bestowal. That’s what you mean?
Student: I'm talking about during the lesson a person needs to acquire the intention in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: To acquire the intention in order to bestow, I need you talk about this, you have to see what he can, what he can work with, what desires he can work with, what desires he can't work with. He identified a desire he can work with and he starts to work on it with efforts to aim them to in order to bestow. Those efforts a person makes it's still not considered that he acquired the quality of bestowal. He still hasn't revealed the Creator?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: But he's exerting. He wants this, the real intention, the Creator gives it?
M. Laitman: Okay.
Student: If you could give the difference between the effort and him discovering the intention, the revelation of the intention is like the revelation of the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Also, what's the difference between those two things, the effort and the revelation? Is there a direct connection between them? If I exert work, work, work, and I get a salary at the end of the month, here in spirituality, I exert effort, effort, effort, exert and is the revelation of the intention revealed in me in direct relation to the effort?
M. Laitman: No. You can undergo some change because of your effort in some two days from now and in a completely different incident and you won't even know why it happens and how.
Student: But I will feel that I received the intention to bestow?
M. Laitman: That's connected to the same action. No.
Student: Can you describe it?
M. Laitman: What you depict is okay. Your portrayal is okay. What can you do?
Student: Can I ask about something close? I heard your discussion with the friends yesterday and you were talking with the friends about the spiritual feeling you received, by you being able to give to us?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Can you describe what this spiritual feeling is and how we by succeeding to enabling you to give to us, maybe we can also receive that feeling that you're talking about?
M. Laitman: No, I can't describe that. It's impossible.
Student: Can you try?
M. Laitman: No, it's not about trying. It's impossible. How can you say, let's say, you've received light, now show it to us.
Student: How will I ever know that I really received this light?
M. Laitman: You will know. You will know. In those desires with which you want to bestow.
Student: (01:10:13) He says here that instead of having from nature the desire for self-love, now he will receive a second nature that he wants to bestow meaning that all the thoughts, his speech, his actions will be only in order to bestow to the Creator because that's all of man meaning only that degree a person needs to reach, because we only need to attain the vessels whereas the abundance which is the filling of the vessels comes from the Creator.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How is it that this abundance does not turn off these vessels? Like every other desire.
M. Laitman: What was the desire for first? The abundance doesn't turn off the vessels, it fulfills the vessels.
Student: Every other desire we want then the abundance comes and that's it. It turns off the desire, turns it out. Here we make an exertion, he sells the beams of his house, he acquires, he buys a wise disciple's daughter and he wants to bestow, only to bestow. Now the abundance comes and he says, this is man's work. Now a person comes so that he receives from the Creator but it's a request of a person. Now the filling comes, and this filling doesn't turn off this desire.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How is that?
M. Laitman: Because a person doesn't intend towards the fulfillment that will fulfill him, but rather fulfillment that he will give, pass on to the Creator.
Student: How is it that the desire is so powerful that the desire does not turn it off?
M. Laitman: The fulfillment is incompatible. The person wants to be fulfilled not with the fulfillment that he gives to the Creator. Rather he's fulfilled by, I don't know how to say it, he's fulfilled by the fulfillment that he's giving to the Creator.
Student: That is what he wanted to do, that desire was filled. He's saying that every thought that he has, speech that he has, action, he wants it only to bestow?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: He received it now all the actions that he's doing are only in order to bestow. It's done. What ended? Like every other desire, he wanted it and received it so what's the difference?
M. Laitman: What's the difference between what?
Student: Between this and other desires?
M. Laitman: Other desires begin and end within the person and this desire ends outside the person.
Student: Then?
M. Laitman: Then a person feels how he bestows to others, how by that he is similar to the Creator. And being similar to the Creator is actually the result not that he gave to others himself. It's a different measurement here, how similar he became similar to the Creator?
Student: He became similar to the Creator; does he have satisfaction from that?
M. Laitman: That gives him satisfaction.
Student: He can also give it to the Creator, does he feel that?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: That's it, this desire is over, now another desire needs to come.
M. Laitman: Probably, yes.
Student: What's the difference? So now a person wants let's say, to eat. He got filled and he ate another desire came. What's the difference actually, what remains from it, what is in this that another desire doesn't have?
M. Laitman: That it's a desire to bestow, it's a desire by which a person bestows to the Creator connects to the Creator, becomes similar to the Creator and clings and enters the Creator and exists there in Him to the extent of equivalence of form, with that he wants to continue. Now we already have a spiritual degree and from that spiritual degree Reshimot now surface to him which are other kinds of Reshimot, they demand the person to keep going forward.
Student: Here too, he needs to enter into some sort of detachment and then enter the next degree.
M. Laitman: Well that's not important, why is it important for you, disconnected or not?
Student: Okay, we need to scrutinize the question a little more.
M. Laitman: Okay, yes.
Student: (01:15:42) If I understand the friend's question, sometimes there are states where the desire to receive in order to bestow it just passes the pleasure on to someone else and then therefore the pipe is open and then we can pass on more and more of that. Well, that's one picture, and the other picture is that when the will to receive, when it gets its fulfillment, it's extinguished, and then you need to renew it.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: The desire in order to bestow, do you need to continually renew it or it's always?
M. Laitman: Nothing is always.
Student: It always gets extinguished and you always need to create it.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: (01:16:27) I'm returning to the question again. We need to attain the Creator eternally. We need to live in the world of the Creator. We need to bestow. We need to live in that world and here you depict as if there's this revelation, a person feels he attained something and boom, Aviut grows and he's in a completely new state and again he's in some kind of search and whatever he attained it's as if it's lost. Is that what you're saying?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Does that also happen to a Kabbalist? What's the difference between that and being a Kabbalist?
M. Laitman: I don't know, I'm not a Kabbalist.
Student: I'm asking, do we need to attain this eternity? What does it mean if a person attains a Creator and he lives in the world of bestowal and the difference between that and what you depicted to the friend is that a person reaches a certain fulfillment in order to bestow and then there's a new desire, and once again he starts a process as if there was nothing before that. I'm asking what causes that fulfillment, that spark to remain for eternity where you can continue from it onward and not return to receiving?
M. Laitman: He already has a Masach, screen from his previous state. He doesn't disregard his previous state because he's already on the degree where he performed an action of bestowal.
Student: But he had a screen before that.
M. Laitman: Maybe.
Student: Do we lose that screen until we attain it?
M. Laitman: We don't lose it, you started from a certain state. We were speaking about actions of bestowal. Let's say your first action of bestowal that action remains. Now he wants to ascend from that to the next degree so if his desire is bigger he connects to that higher degree, which is higher and performs a bigger action on that degree.
Student: In the ascent on that degree does he take something from the previous degree, the screen, the force of overcoming that he had?
M. Laitman: Just the records. The records are greater, they're bigger.
Student: I'll think about it.
Student: (01:19:22) My question is, I receive all my powers from my friend who is standing in front of me in Syria. How do I ask the Creator that my friend will receive what I ask for and receive the power to be the one who gives me what I ask for? What is the correct prayer that I turn my friend into a guy who receives twice? The question is, how? Without introductions, how do I turn my friend into the newborn who receives twice, to be a bestower and to be that in which he received what he got?
M. Laitman: I don't understand you.
Student: All of my forces that I request I am asking for my friend next to me in a Ten. If I am asking for more bestowal, for a force of overcoming, I need to receive that from the friend who is next to me. He is the single source that from him or through him I receive that additional force. How do I pray to the Creator, ask the Creator, so that He will turn my friend, firstly that He will give him what I request, and then afterwards He will give him the ability to bestow to me and give me what I requested?
M. Laitman: I can't depict such an action as if you are raising MAN instead of a friend.
Student: I want my friend to turn from my action to become greater in my eyes and to become more bestowing in my eyes when I grow more in the path.
M. Laitman: I can't depict that, how is that possible?
Student: (01:21:55) I will also try to continue what the friend asked. There is this work that renews. There is always a new state and another new state and we need to do the things. At some point, it is similar to the article of the rich and the poor, where the poor one takes something and that he always needs to come back anew. The work is really that in which we need to renew all the time. We have new vessels; we need to work.
M. Laitman: What is the purpose of that if each time we kick that, what do we need all that for? There are no other means that can bring him closer to the purpose of creation.
Student: But he feels each time that I enter this treasury and then I get kicked again.
M. Laitman: Correct and every time he has a record that he wasn't successful in the previous time and then I hope that the next time I will succeed more. Penny by penny accumulates to a big sum, and in that accumulation I will reach some kind of desire in its depiction in such a way that the Creator can fill me.
Student: The force to continue each time renews is something very distant for me. I never see that. I don't see that I succeeded to bring fruit to the children, but I never have that feeling?
M. Laitman: None, I always have a feeling that I wasn't successful.
Student: Right.
M. Laitman: But I hope every time that now in my current state I will succeed. We have to go through that state. There is no choice.
Student: The strength for that I can only receive from the friends.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: To keep continuing to try?
M. Laitman: You multiply it by the force of the Creator that's revealed towards you and more things but eventually, yes.
Student: (01:24:24) But not succeeding is the most correct state for a person, it develops his vessels of bestowal that he needs to attain. If he succeeded to attain something for himself then he wouldn't succeed to progress in the direction he needs to go. In that, we fail time and again and we have this frustration in our will to receive that we were not rewarded with anything and together with that we develop our ability to feel what is bestowal. My ability and the quantity of the times that I tried to overcome in the work so that is my reward that's what I get in return. Because I bestow, I do good to the Creator, to the society, to someone, but my reward is that I have vessels of bestowal. Is it not that way?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How can we, I see that there are many questions around this so how can we hold onto this consciousness that our success, where is it exactly where is the success exactly?
M. Laitman: The successful, success is creating the empty vessel.
Student: But the will to receive always forgets that.
M. Laitman: As much as the emptiness grows in its accumulation, we are getting closer and closer to the correct action.
Student: Only a holy society can hold onto such an atmosphere. How can we truly, as a society, hold onto this consciousness that will hold onto the friends in this state where the emptiness is the best possible accumulation and reward that they can have?
M. Laitman: That's right, but what can I say? That's the destiny of the Jews.
Student: What does that mean?
M. Laitman: That's how they have to exist, that they feel that from one state to the next they become worse, lonelier, and they don't have anything to fill their soul with. Supposedly the Creator has, you have left us, and that's it until we reach a special desire that except for the action of bestowal, that we're not in any way looking for a result from that action, that we don't want anything else.
Student: When we speak about that, so it does start illuminating from afar that form. What writings or I don't know about writings, but maybe what does the person need to do in order for that to remain with him what does he need to engage with, where should he look at all the time?
M. Laitman: It comes, I can't say but gradually it starts shining.
Student: (01:28:10) At the end of it all we learn that there's no state where the evil disappears. It grows and if a person expects something, he won't get something, it won't give him anything new. With that understanding that brings us closer to Lishma, that where we understand that we will live with the evil, but on its side we develop this new desire to bestow to the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Do we have nothing to expect that something will change in our nature but above the evil we develop something new between us?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: (01:29:06) I want to scrutinize the matter of the selling. It says here that the person will always sell everything he has and selling the beams of his house, putting the shoes on his feet. This whole field of selling that's the Ten toward the friends, love of friends he also depicts here and you depicted that, of cutting a desire from yourself so that it's for the sake of connection, for the Creator and then we talk about the lion taking that sacrifice and not a dog. That whole process is as if it increases in each person the desire, the Aviut. And he sometimes sees the flaws in his friends and not in himself. What is the action of selling? If I'm standing before this growing desire, and I start seeing flaws in the friend, that he needs correction and not me it's as if completely detached from that act of selling. This entire process of selling is upon that and the desire grows and it doesn't come directly to you, that flaw, the way you identify it directly in yourself.
M. Laitman: That all your actions till now, you are willing to invert them into a new deficiency.
Student: What gives me this protection to see that the friend is okay? That if I see a flaw within him, it's me who needs correction and not him? The need for my correction and not the friend's correction. What does that give in terms of another step toward developing the intention to bestow?
M. Laitman: Again.
Student: Sometimes there's this overcoming of Aviut, and I'll see the flaws in the friend that he’s not okay, he doesn't do this or that, he's not directed. What is that return of recognition of evil, or seeing that the outlook that it's in me, that the flaw is in me and not in the friend, that I'm the one who flawed in love of friends and not the friend. What does it give in the purchasing or acquiring of this quality of bestowal and not reception? What is this additional value there, this effort?
M. Laitman: It's against nature, what can I tell you.
M. Laitman: It's against nature, how can you? Also, who does it belong to? To man in this world, to the will to receive, that is nothing and doesn't belong to anything? That's why it's very difficult.
Student: The entire scrutiny of the intention, as you said, is each one within himself, in the work with the friends. He cannot check the intentions of the friends. That's already called spies, right?
M. Laitman: Right. Okay guys, it's 4.30. What do we have?
Student: We have the article Body and Soul, or Talmud Eser Sefirot.
M. Laitman: Let's go to Body and Soul.