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Daily Lesson (Morning) December 11, 2024.
Part 2: To Bestow in Order to Bestow - Selected Excerpts from the Sources
Reader:
Hello, the topic of our lesson is To Bestow In Order To Bestow. We're reading select excerpts from the sources. We're reading excerpt Number Two in our selection from Rabash. The article is “Entry Into The Work”, Excerpt Number Two.
Reading: (00:26) 2. RABASH, Article No. 223, "Entry into the Work"
"Lo Lishma" because his intention is only to obtain a greater pleasure.
Only after he achieves this degree called Lo Lishma, he is rewarded with other phenomena, when he comes to a higher state. That is, at that time he has no consideration of himself, and all his calculations and thoughts are the truth.
In other words, his aim is only to annul himself before the true reality, where he feels that he must only serve the King because he feels the exaltedness and greatness and importance of the King. At that time, he forgets, meaning he has no need to worry about himself, as his own self is annulled as a candle before a torch before the existence of the Creator that he feels. Then he is in a state of Lishma [for Her sake], meaning contentment to the Creator, and his concerns and yearnings are only about how he can delight the Creator, while his own existence, meaning the will to receive, does not merit a name whatsoever. Then he is regarded as “bestowing in order to bestow.”
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:22) It is written here, his entire intention is but to nullify himself before the true reality, where he feels that all he has to do is to serve the King because he feels the exaltedness and greatness and importance of the King. In fact, we come to the greatness and exaltedness of the Creator, is that a stage before Lishma? A certain step or a certain stage?
M. Laitman: Of course, that it should be this way, too.
Student: How do we come to reach the feeling of greatness?
M. Laitman: The feeling of greatness of the Creator comes by us receiving all kinds of influences from above and we relate to them correctly from within our own vessels. A person who comes here for the first time, opens the book, and they tell him, let's read, and he reads - Lo Lishma, so and so. Read it again, read it again, read it again, and he's willing to do what you tell him a thousand times. It still doesn't mean, that he's going to advance. The advancement is that whoever studies, the intention, gradually, raises from the pages of the book into an action, that is directed towards the Creator in order to awaken His heart to bestow upon us.
Student: The heart of the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Can you explain that?
M. Laitman: His heart, the center of His desire.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (05:00) In the previous part, we talked about as “one man in one heart”. And I want to ask, is there as one man in one heart, or I'll ask it differently: Can you reach bestowal in order to bestow without being as one man in one heart?
M. Laitman: How do you think?
Student: I think that, no.
M. Laitman: So, I agree with you.
Student: Can we be in Lo Lishma but, still, as one man and one heart?
M. Laitman: From Lo Lishma, as one man with one heart, also no.
Student: So, the transition: Can we say what I'm about to say now, that the move from Lo Lishma to the first degree of Lishma is where we find the one man and one heart? That connection between us and when we find that connection between us, each will move from his personal Lo Lishma to some form of bestowing in order to bestow, which is together. Is it correct to say now?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (06:20) So, there's a feeling that depends on the feeling of the light, and a feeling that depends on the Giver of the light. It's like we have two different feelings that are felt in the light. One is the quality of bestowal that extends from the upper one, and also some form of information about the quality of the Giver of the light. That's how it appears.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: When we talk about reaching attainment, the feeling of the upper, before that we have to be in the process of connection of vessels. How do you reach one feeling, how do different vessels or different people come to one feeling? Maybe they don't need to come to one feeling.
M. Laitman: Do you really care about that?
Student: If I feel a certain necessity to advance and I understand that it depends on my ability to connect and to feel something from the feeling of the other, and to connect it to my feeling.
M. Laitman: What do you need that for?
Student: Because of that you remain in your small place, alone, you don't develop, that's how I feel. That the change can come only out of taking something for myself or putting together something, that makes the feeling of the friends. And I can't connect the states to one feeling.
M. Laitman: Maybe, it's from the fear of receiving blows?
Student: There is fear, in every change, there is fear. You’re moving to a state that I don't know yet and I'm always going half a step backwards. You say, oh, let's not connect too much, let's not think only about that. There are such cases of fear but, that too, I am expecting to receive. Even that force to overcome, I’m expecting to receive from the others, from the environment?
M. Laitman: So, what do we do?
Student: We need to learn some kind of trick of how to connect and take the feelings and discernments of the others and connect it to you.
M. Laitman: To acquire vessels of the others. That's not bad but when will you be able to do that? If we were truly in one vessel, then you're right, everyone can take vessels from everyone just like in the first days of humanity. Nobody would think this is mine, that's his. But, a small will to receive, so you can use it. Here, it's already the next degree, a degree of Lo Lishma that needs to come as a result of coming out of this degree, you need to get vessels of Lo Lishma. Then he forgets, that he has no need of consideration of himself, and in all his calculations, then he feels that he's in a state of Lishma, meaning contentment to the Creator. And all his concerns and yearnings are only about how he can delight the Creator. While his own existence, meaning the will to receive, does not merit a name, whatsoever. Then, he is regarded as bestowing in order to bestow, meaning to reach a degree of bestowing in order to bestow. Look what actions we need to do to connect before that. To really build this inner Bina inside us. Then in us, we will all be bestowing in order to bestow.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:35) Simply, in the last lesson, you said that to build the Kli, the Ten, you need to connect the Keters and the Malchuts, so that it will be common in the Ten – that's all I heard. Now, when we talk about “to bestow in order to bestow”, what's the main process, here? What does it mean to build a common Keter and a Malchut that needs to be in restriction, as much as I understand?
M. Laitman: Well, what are you trying to say, briefly?
Student: I'm saying that the initial connection in the Ten, in order to bestow, where does it get summed up? Do we just leave everything and connect to the Keter? Or on one hand, in Keter, there's not much coarseness, only a very refined desire, that a person can leave everything and just be in that. On the other hand, it's also – I don't know how to continue – how to feel that state that we're connecting specifically in that?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (13:00) This excerpt is very sharp. He says that, as we heard before, we come together to bestow in order to bestow only when all the friends work in order to bestow contentment to the Creator. Is that correct to say that the initial point for us in order to breach into spirituality, is to make sure that all of us, together in the Ten want to bring contentment to the Creator? That's the beginning, it's not the end but it's the foundation with which we enter. Now, when we say to bestow contentment to the Creator, together, what is it, the inner intention of every friend?
M. Laitman: All the friends that connect together in a total connection; and all of them, from that connection, from that desire want to bestow contentment to the Creator.
Student: What can we do that's new or in addition, so that we will start to taste this, to bestow contentment to the Creator, together?
M. Laitman: We need to be in Arvut, mutual guarantee, towards one another. That, between us there will be no foreign desire, only that. To bestow contentment to the Creator.
Student: When I check myself, I see that I'm in many foreign desires like you're saying. Before I start to do that action, I just simply have to put these alien thoughts aside and say, I'm not working with them, I'm not dealing with them even though they're there, nothing will help, they're there.
M. Laitman: How will you do it in your life?
Student: I will try to love the friends, to give them, to be with them. Even though, behind my back, there's a lot of garbage, there.
M. Laitman: Do it, please!
Student: The question, whether this is correct, or am I just spinning myself here?
M. Laitman: No, that's okay, that's okay.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:35) In bestow in order to bestow, we need to have a key?
M. Laitman: Yes, that's the quality of Bina.
Student: Why? The screen works with the intention in order to bestow.
M. Laitman: But if I want to connect a few vessels of bestowal together.
Student: For that I need a screen?
M. Laitman: Every vessel is the will to receive.
Student: Fundamentally, yes.
M. Laitman: So, how can I connect those vessels in the will to receive, if it won't bring us to a greater vessel of bestowal?
Student: In order to reach to bestowal in order to bestow, there's a stage that we're working, not connecting to him without any connection to himself but relating to himself and how I feel. Does that not create between us the force of bestowal in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: No. Why do I care if on some kind of degree of, on what degree of bestowal he's on, the friend?
Student: So, how do I connect the friend to me?
M. Laitman: I don't know.
Student: What is the glue that glues us together?
M. Laitman: That you want to bestow to the Creator.
Student: But then we see that we have nothing to bestow with.
M. Laitman: You have the will to receive that came from the Creator. You have the will to bestow that each one wants to bestow through the other to the Creator, right? What else do you have?
Student: From what I understand, that's not enough, that we have to connect our desires to bestow to the Creator.
M. Laitman: How?
Student: That's the question: If from here I want to bestow to the Creator through the Ten, if I look at that state, it's like I'm standing before a wall. And there's nowhere to advance even half a step forward from here.
M. Laitman: Yes, and?
Student: So, what from this do we still connect?
M. Laitman: Anybody have an answer?
Student: That's also a little bit of a question.
M. Laitman: No, I want an answer.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (18:35) I have a certain direction, I'll describe something nevertheless: In Lo Lishma, we have like a Ten that's not discerned. It's as if there's only, when we finish the Lo Lishma, there's this force of doing something in the Ten.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And then my question was: We start changing our attitude towards the whole Ten in the beginning to the connection between us. And from that, to reach that, we need to change our attitude towards every friend. I need to take my desire and my attitude towards each and every friend. Is this okay so far?
M. Laitman: Well, keep going.
Student: That's the question, whether that's how we realize to bestow in order to bestow between us.
M. Laitman: No.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (19:52) The answer is that we need to raise a prayer together; and for it to hurt me that I'm not connected enough to the friends, to their desire to bestow. And, I need to see that every friend has this and I need to connect to that, that's what we really want. And we will all connect and want it and ask for it. Because from ourselves, we don't have anything, we only have, if we could say, the garbage that each one has, the egotistical. And if we rise above that and ask together where we really want this, then we will receive a gift.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (20:45) The question was what we connect in the connection between us? So, we connect our attitude towards Him, so it will be a complete attitude, meaning one desire towards Him.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Now, from that I want to ask, let's say we want to really, really resemble Him in our attitude. Why does that serve Him? Why will that cause Him pleasure – the fact that we want to resemble Him?
M. Laitman: Because this already shows Him that we want to reach adhesion.
Student: And to reach it depends only on Him already?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: But to reach Dvekut we also need to receive?
M. Laitman: Yes, that's already, that's the next stage, already.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:52) You said that the screen is built on the light and the Kli.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: It seems like in the Ten, we're connecting our common efforts, our yearnings, even if there are desires that are not quite ready. With the very fact that we're exerting as one, and the Creator on his behalf completes us, we build our connection with Him. Meaning, that it's some common thing that's built between us with the Creator. That's how it feels.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (22:35) I want to ask whether we reject the attitude of a person, of a friend, to the bestowal automatically?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: Does it come correct to us? So, what does that have to do in friends? Is that not related to our attitude towards bestowal?
M. Laitman: It's against the connection, better to say that.
Student: I didn't understand.
M. Laitman: Against the connection between us in the Ten.
Student: When there's an attitude of rejection that's revealed in the Ten, is that towards connection?
M. Laitman: Well, let's say so.
Student: I simply don't understand?
M. Laitman: Your relation to the friend.
Student: No, my attitude is clear. I feel it, I just don't know how to identify whether it's towards connection or towards something else.
M. Laitman: Rejection.
Student: The rejection is a feeling.
M. Laitman: Also, connection.
Student: So, I'm trying to scrutinize the points of two friends, where one thinks that towards connection we act this way and another thinks towards connection. Should we behave that way?
M. Laitman: Well, so? Each one according to their nature.
Student: Nice, so how do we connect if one thinks one and the other thinks two? They're both those connections, they're both those bestowal.
M. Laitman: We need to say that if we all come from the point in the heart with a special desire to receive to each and every one, in everyone there's also a desire to connect with each and every one, which is different from the others. But if we are incorporated in the Creator with this demand, the Creator will correct it.
Student: May I ask, practically?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: In practice, our need in this place, in our world, in our building, I need first to do and I'm told do the second. Now, above this one and two, I need to connect. How do we connect in a practical manner, where we need to carry out an action, the contradiction is in the manner of implementation of this action? Everyone has importance, everyone has a good desire to benefit, to bestow. But in that point, all of a sudden one starts to feel rejection, distance. What is that point that we need to discover?
M. Laitman: We need to discover, that we see our life only in the point of connection with the Creator. In that same point where we connect to the Creator, that's where we connect between us and that point for us is the goal.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (27:08) You were asked, what was the glue that adheres you, and you said that you want to bestow to the Creator. What is that common desire of all of us to bestow to the Creator?
M. Laitman: That's our common desire of each and every one that reaches a connection with the other desires in the friends and wants to unite them to the Creator. What's the question?
Student: Where does our common deficiency to bestow to the Creator come from?
M. Laitman: When I see that if we don't reach such a desire, no deed of ours will bring us to any success, to connection.
Student: How does this common desire grow? What's its initial point of connection, in what details does it begin?
M. Laitman: The first point of connection needs to be in the quality of Bina between us.
Student: What's that?
M. Laitman: That's how I depict to myself ,connection.
Student: That is me imagining or depicting connection and he is, and each one has his own depiction of connection inside of him.
M. Laitman: It doesn't matter, it's the same depiction.
Student: We have the same picture but where do all the pictures connect to one picture?
M. Laitman: Between us; between us on the same degree of Bina.
Student: And that is our common deficiency to bestow to the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How to awaken the heart of the Creator upon us?
M. Laitman: That is if we together think of that same point of connection, so we are like a beam of light burning that point; and entering that unification.
Student: When we enter that unity, let's say a group in the degree of Bina, what is that reality where a group is at the degree of Bina?
M. Laitman: That it's on the degree of Bina.
Student: What does that mean?
M. Laitman: That there is a Rosh, Toch, Sof, all those parts of the correct Partzuf. And then we start seeing on which degrees and how much in each one of them, we need to use them in order to finish that action at its foundation.
Student: What changes in the relations between us? What gets renewed there in the relations between us that we are in the degree of Bina? What's new there?
M. Laitman: What is renewed is that each one wants to be in Arvut, in a mutual guarantee to the other. And each one feels at what point of connection between you he wants to be instead of the other.
Student: To focus more, to be like a ray of light and to enter this unification. What can we do now as a Kli?
M. Laitman: Only to think about it, only to think about it. The rest is done by the Creator.
Student: Think about what? What's the right depiction, here?
M. Laitman: About the unity, about the unity.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (32:05) In the stages where we move from Lo Lishma to Lishma, so Lo Lishma is to receive in order to receive. Or a higher degree than that, which you identify that you're in Lo Lishma. You identify the desire to receive, that's called Lo Lishma?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Or you're working towards the Creator and you know that that's what you're to receive from. That's called Lo Lishma?
M. Laitman: How could I work towards the direction of the Creator?
Student: Meaning, that I am in a desire to be in spirituality.
M. Laitman: That doesn't mean anything.
Student: I want to receive something from this, that's called Lo Lishma?
M. Laitman: Well, let's say.
Student: So, what is to bestow in order to bestow? Is that called Lishma?
M. Laitman: In order to bestow is Lishma.
Student: So, what is to bestow in order to bestow and what is to receive in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: Bestowing in order to bestow has bestowing in order to bestow to myself, that I'll feel good; there's bestowing in order to bestow that he will feel good. There's bestowing in order to bestow that we will feel good. That's it.
Student: And all three are called Lishma?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: Only to receive in order to bestow is really Lishma?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, what's Lishma and bestow in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: We're still going to need to work on it.
Student: When I aim myself towards reaching Lishma for the Convention, how do I depict myself coming to the Convention? What is for you that we're coming to the Convention and we're in Lishma? How does such a Convention look?
M. Laitman: A Convention like that, that we all come to the Convention with all our vessels, internal, external. Organized, directed towards connection, that with all the connections between us, we only want redemption. And that the upper light will bestow upon the place of connection.
Student: Amen, thank you.
M. Laitman: Okay, what else do we have?
Reader: (35:18) We have the next part of the lesson, we will study between us, The Study of Friends. We’ll be studying TES.