The transcript has been transcribed and edited from English simultaneous interpretation, thus there may be potential semantic inaccuracies within it.

Daily Lesson (Morning) September 19, 2024.

Part 1: Shamati 25. Things that Come from the Heart.

Reading Article: I heard on July 25, 1944, during a festive meal for the completion of part of The Zohar

Regarding things that come from the heart, enter the heart. Hence, why do we see that even if things have already entered the heart, one still falls from his degree?

The thing is that when one hears the words of Torah from his teacher, he immediately agrees with his teacher and resolves to observe the words of his teacher with his heart and soul. But afterward, when he comes out to the world, he sees, covets, and is infected by the multitude of desires roaming the world. Then, he and his mind, his heart, and his will are annulled before the majority.

As long as he has no power to sentence the world to the side of merit, they subdue him, he mingles with their desires, and he is led like sheep to the slaughter. He has no choice; he is compelled to think, want, crave, and demand everything that the majority demands. Then he chooses their foreign thoughts and their loathsome lusts and desires, which are alien to the spirit of the Torah. In that state, he has no strength to subdue the majority.

Instead, there is only one counsel then: to cling to his teacher and to the books. This is called “From the mouth of books and from the mouth of authors.” Only by clinging to them can he change his mind and will for the better. However, witty arguments will not help him change his mind, but only the remedy of Dvekut [adhesion], for this is a wondrous cure, as the Dvekut reforms him.

Only while one is inside Kedusha [holiness] can one argue with oneself and indulge in clever polemics, that the mind necessitates that he should always walk on the path of the Creator. However, one should know that even when he is wise and certain that he can already use this wit to defeat the Sitra Achra [other side], he must engrave in his mind that all this is worthless, that this is not a weapon that can win the war against the inclination, for all these concepts are but a consequence he has attained after the aforementioned Dvekut.

In other words, all the concepts upon which he builds his building, saying one must always follow in the path of the Creator, is founded in Dvekut with his teacher. Thus, if he loses the foundation, all the concepts are powerless since they will now be lacking the foundation.

Hence, one must not rely on one’s own mind, but adhere once more to books and to authors, for only this can help him, and no wit or intellect, as there is no vitality in them.

M. Laitman: (04:07) This means that after everything, what's important to a person is to be adhered to what his Rav, his teacher, tells him. Nothing else besides that is worth keeping. That's it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (04:35) What things emerge from the heart and what things enter the heart? What is it talking about? 

M. Laitman: Things that come from the heart are things that a person wants to live in, to attain. These are the things that enter one's heart and can enter the other's heart. That's it. 

Student: But we're talking about an egoistic heart, no? Or is it already a corrected heart? 

M. Laitman: Well, relatively corrected. You can give from your heart everything that you went through.

Student: To who? Do I give it to the Creator or to the friends?

M. Laitman: I? Interest doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (05:52) This whole world is only work in order to reach the Creator. This whole world is so big, so vast, and it's only in order to exert to coming to the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Yes. Besides that, there is nothing.

Student: Why does He give us a desire each time we want to see the world?

M. Laitman: A person should see to what extent he has all kinds of disturbances. 

Student: Things that come out of the heart enter the heart of the other? And that's how we're incorporated? When you say that the main thing is to observe what he heard from his Rav, from his teacher?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: What is the ability of a person to keep what he hears from his Rav? What does it depend upon? 

M. Laitman: His willingness. His willingness to hear from his Rav and to do it.

Student: What does it mean to hear?

M. Laitman: To hear means that I'm willing to go above my own reason, against all disturbances as long as I adhere to what Rav wants to tell me. There's nothing more important next to that. Only this. 

Student: So how does the student build this adhesion to his Rav that enables him to be able to follow him? 

M. Laitman: By entering the society, a society that respects and honors his Rav, his teacher, and he hears what they're saying, and he adheres to them. And by devoting one to each other, dedicating each other to each other, they build this power that holds them, sustains them. 

Student: The adhesion to the Rav, is it personal, or is it a group adhesion that's built? 

M. Laitman: Yes and yes. 

Student: Yes and yes? So as a student, what should a student do to build adhesion?

M. Laitman: Annul. Annul. As much as he has disturbances, opposing views, that repel him from his Rav, he goes against that, and he's looking for adhesion.

Student: And what is the difference, because it sounds like the whole attainment of the students happens in their connection with the Rav. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, in what way is this different, where we say that the Ten needs to connect? It seems like it's not enough that the Ten will connect. There has to be a connection with the Rav so that they'll be able to…

M. Laitman: Yes, there has to be a connection between them, a tight connection, which one is ready to replace the other, and everyone is willing to take each other's place, and they'll connect. And then in the connection between them, they begin to feel that they belong to one view, to one goal, and that's how you advance.

Student: (10:30) So, how do they present their connection to the Rav so that he will be able to raise them up? 

M. Laitman: In the connection between them, they begin to see that they have this inner force between them that they can present to the Rav, and then with the help of that inner force they connect to it, they connect to their Rav, and that's how they, too, connect. 

Student: How does the Rav come into play into this whole system? Meaning, there's the Ten, there's the Creator, there's the Creator, there's the Ten, there's hundreds, there's thousands, and all that is written, and all of a sudden, suddenly, where does the Rav enter into this system, where is it? 

M. Laitman: The Rav includes everyone. And he absorbs everyone into him, and he changes them, raises them, advances them.

Student: According to what Baal HaSulam describes Adam Rishon in the Torah, meaning you don't see signs that there's suddenly some Rav. And Rav needs to be one, or it needs to be many like these? I'm trying to understand what's the place of these Rabbis, because there's probably many groups in the future, there will be many groups, or does there need to be one Rav? One for everyone?

M. Laitman: Not everyone, that same group.

Student: Same group, one Rav. And let's say when you said there are all kinds of disturbances, Rav says something, so we need to nullify, so in externality, yes, we annul, but what to do inside? Do you think you need to do it differently, and everything, you don't control that, meaning you don't control your heart.

M. Laitman: Yes, annul in externality.

Student: Yes, exactly, in externality, but what do we do in our internality?

M. Laitman: The internality is the problem.

Student: So, what's your advice, what do we do with the internality? In externality, there's the group, it really helps to annul, it's not a problem, but in internality, where you think that Rav is not doing correctly? 

M. Laitman: You try through the adhesion in the friends to reach a state where everyone is willing to be adhered to their Rav.

Student: Let's say for you, with Rabash, there were probably things that you maybe didn't agree, that you thought maybe you could do better, or those things, will they at some point get corrected in the heart? In externality you nullify it, but in the internality, at one point, does it need to be corrected? Or if you will eventually agree, will you say, oh yes, Rav was right, or it can remain for your whole life?

M. Laitman: So-so.

Student: If you come to a junction and Rav says to go to the right, and the friends think we should go left, but Rav is stubborn about going to the right, so everyone annuls externally and we follow him to the right. But in them, they're still thinking that it's correct to go to the left. How to nullify that, that inner opinion? They follow him to the right, but inside they think that it would be better if they went to the left.

M. Laitman: Yes, that can also happen. 

Student: (14:56) How to annul that? How to go with complete agreement and cancel even the inner opinion that is still resistive?

M. Laitman: You start to do it little by little, then more and more. You get a few blows. You get into fights sometimes, and everyone sort of aligns.

Student: Can you ask the Creator to give you the force to agree with Rav? Is that a legitimate request, to ask the Creator to give you the force to agree with Rav in your heart? 

M. Laitman: Of course, that's how it should be.

Student: And can Rav do such exercises on purpose in order to kind of encourage the students, or does that not happen usually?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Even though you see with your eyes, with the numbers and all those things, you see that it's best to go to the right. And that's it. That's where it's… 

M. Laitman: It's clear that you always have opposite views, and they're so clear, they're so real, they're unable to go against it. And here only the prayer can help. 

Student: And what's the conclusion from this whole exercise that the Creator does? Let’s say Rav says this way, we annul we need to go this way, but what is the knowledge, what is the information that we get from, what do we learn from this when you annul like that to Rav? 

M. Laitman: Because no single student has the same height, understanding, and attainment in the upper one like his Rav.

Student: That's actually clear, it's not the student, it's the group.

M. Laitman: Well, the group can be even worse, and all those things in which they have no foundation can be sanctified in a group, like they're above everything.

Student: I'll tell you where there's kind of like a justification for this, because in spiritual things it's clear, no one here, we have no arguments with that, but on corporeal matters, and you yourself also said that, how to arrange this table? For example, Rav says we have to arrange it this way, and a friend with his group know that it needs to be done this way, and then Rav himself says, I don't understand in tables, you know, it's not spiritual matters that we're thinking that we don't need the Tens, but that there should be, I don't know, seventeen people there. We're not talking about that, we're talking about corporeal things that Rav himself says I don't understand. So the question is, does it even matter here, with anything?

M. Laitman: With everything, everything. You scrutinize until it's clear what is the view of the Rav, and what is their view, and then forcefully, above reason, forcefully take on your Rav's opinion even though it's above, against yours. 

Student: No matter what the topic is?

M. Laitman: No. 

Student: Even what to eat there? 

M. Laitman: Well, yes.

Student: If the opinion of the Rav is not clear to the students?

M. Laitman: You can scrutinize, you can ask, but eventually it becomes clear. It faces you like a wall and you have nothing to do.

Student: Meaning, the opinion of the Rav should be very clear eventually, what's going on there. For a student that annuls before his Rav, what does he benefit from doing so? 

M. Laitman: What he gains is that he becomes adhered to his Rav, and through his Rav to his teacher. 

Student: What is the inner spiritual action that the light does on his student when he adheres to his Rav? 

M. Laitman: He annuls his will to receive, and he cleaves to his Rav and wants to belong to him as heart and soul above reason, above all the proof, and the doubt, and the sense of safety, everything, or confidence. 

Student: I'm asking, what's the action of the teacher upon the student? What does the teacher do to the student, upon the student? 

M. Laitman: The teacher must bring the student, slowly, a clear view, where if he wants to be adhered to the Creator, together with the Creator, he has to take upon himself such rules.

Student: (20:16) And when the student annuls before the words of his Rav, does he do other actions internally, or is his annulment already? I'm asking what happens here in the system.

M. Laitman: I don't quite understand.

Student: Are you working with our desires, with our desires to nullify? When we try to nullify, what do we present to you, and what do you do with it?

M. Laitman: I try to connect you. And for you to grow up, to develop like this, that's it.

Student: A student that doesn't annul before you, can you still work with him, or only one who annuls before you, can you work with him? 

M. Laitman: If a student does not annul before his Rav, the Rav cannot annul with him, cannot work with him.

Student: That's the question, what is that work that he does when he works with this annulment with him? 

M. Laitman: If there isn't annulment? 

Student: If there is annulment, how does it feel to you, and what do you do with it, or what happens in you? 

M. Laitman: It's clear that then it's possible to change the student. 

Student: What is that action of changing? 

M. Laitman: There are many things there.

Student: Can the Rav feel that the student is annulling or not annulling? 

M. Laitman: More or less, yes.

Student: Or is it general? 

M. Laitman: No, no, it's not general. But it just doesn't quite belong to the Rav as much as it belongs to the student. Rav always has to conceal himself to the extent that he can leave a student freedom to act. 

Student: So, the one that can help a student to nullify is only the friends?

M. Laitman: I can't hear. 

Student: So, only the friends can help that person, that friend annul, because Rav conceals himself, the Creator is concealed anyway, and only towards the friends.

M. Laitman: Let's say. 

Student: Does it become harder and harder? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And is there someone that can, let's say if Rav is not there at the moment, and the friends need to decide about something, then who can be in the place of the Rav? There isn't? You once said that the group can be in place of Rav. The group, the group of people, their opinion?

M. Laitman: The group is already, it has to be a prayer. Connection and prayer.

Student: Yes, but if there is a clear question, at the moment Rav is not available. He traveled, we can't approach him right now. Who can decide if nevertheless the whole system, Rav's opinion is very important, and we are all equal, and we need to decide about something. Is the group opinion, this common opinion of the group, can that be like the Rav? Or are there other ways? Or can that be?

M. Laitman: No.

Student: So it turns out that we're completely lost without the Rav. We have nothing to do. How can we advance?

M. Laitman: You'll see if you're lost or not.

Student: For sure. Well, if you're saying that if Rav is not there and the group cannot make a decision because they’re egoists after they’re all even if even if they connect together and even if everyone agrees. And the Creator's concealed. So…

M. Laitman: Don't you worry? Those things are above us.

Student: (24:54) Meaning we don't have to worry about this. Now, let's say now, Bnei Baruch. They're there in Petah Tikva, yes? And they have a question now. How to do the lesson? Rav is not there. There are those who think we need to watch recorded lessons from the convention. There are those who say we need to do Pticha and TES lessons. Each can take out of the archive.

Here Rav said this we need to do.  And it's opposite what Rav said in other times. And now there's no physical Rav that you can knock on his door and say, hey Rav, what's correct to do? This way, or that way, and annul before him and do it. How can they make a decision when they don't have that ability at the moment to turn to the Rav? How to take the correct opinion of the Rav without asking the Rav right now? 

M. Laitman: That's tough.

Student: And nevertheless, what's the way in this difficulty?

M. Laitman: The way is to do it together.

Student: From connection and common talking between the friends they can get the correct opinion of the Rav?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: As an example. For years you said that when you leave, put a recorded lesson. Throughout the years and the ideological group that always heard that, and now lately you said that they have to be live and not be a recorded lesson. And if it's a recorded lesson, people go home. So, some know that what Rav said is that we should do a recorded lesson. Some are saying that, no. And there's like this argument that we should do it this way or that way. Just as an example to understand the principle not because of this specific question. So then they'll say no, Rav said that there should be a recorded lesson. And now they're saying no, Rav said that we should start every day to do it this way.

M. Laitman: What do you do, typically?

Student: If Rav is around then we approach Rav and we ask him what's correct for us. And then things are clear. There doesn't need to be. There's no question whatsoever because the question is canceled out because we received the answer. And if not then what's strong controls? We usually didn't have such a case because Rav is always opportune. So we never had that situation. What will be is not clear. We don't bend each other. It's not my opinion is more important than his.

So we try to course my opinion upon another. We usually unite in a certain direction and then only then we do it. There's no one who goes and decides on his own. It's about everyone on anything. I would say we come to some kind of compromise this way or that way But trying to understand or to locate the Rav's opinion meaning if Rav were to answer what would he answer for it would be correct?

Let's say if Rav wasn't here right now and some heard that Rav said a recorded lesson and now Rav said that a lesson with the students. So it's almost like in everything, if you go over the last thirty years what you said we can see  things that contradict one another except for connection. Let's say you never said be separated. Connection is a consensus, but all the rest of the things mostly in corporeality, things that have to do with corporeality you can find everything. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: We connect in the desire to bestow only if there's a desire to bestow can we connect? 

M. Laitman: Let's say, let's say. 

Student: We will feel one another only if each annuls before each their desires?

M. Laitman: Those are words.

Student: But how to get to that? First, to really have that desire to connect, connection. A friend always says, when you say the word connection, each time you feel light in that connection, like something real. But for there to be between us this Kli, this vessel, how will we get to that now? That's what I want. We have come here, to come to connection between us. How do words become vessels? That when we talk it, where it truly becomes a Kli. 

M. Laitman: The words work on the general desire, they produce desires from it, and in their connections it becomes a vessel, a Kli.

Student: (30:11) So you simply said, let's say now you said, well, these are words, that it's not yet real. So how do those words truly become a real Kli that..? 

M. Laitman: When you accept these words and you wish to realize them, then these words become actions. Actions bring results.

Student: What will we do, what will we talk, so that these words will become the vessels? What is best for us to study, to learn, to do, so that really those words will become vessels?

M. Laitman: This is our main work, for us to connect. And in our connection, we will establish, arrange this spiritual vessel that will constantly grow, and through its efforts, we'll be worthy of receiving all the reforming light.

Student: Is there something that's worthwhile for us to read, like a Rabash article, or what is worthwhile for us to read, so that it will help us reach that connection between us? Maybe a certain article of Rabash, or Baal HaSulam, or what is worthwhile for us to study, for us to come to that?

M. Laitman: I can't tell you. I think that all the articles are good. 

Student: He wants the friends to always be connected with Him, but we in our world meet with other people all the time, so how will we be able to work with that?

M. Laitman: Also, for myself, there are such times where you can disconnect from something that's important, that's special. In this way, you have your impressions.

Student: It turns out that the only solution is to close up in the room with your friends?

M. Laitman: It also won't help you. It's all artificial. Generally speaking, you have to connect with friends. You must assemble and beat the ego, and have a common desire, a mutual desire to connect. 

Student: So it turns out that this whole world, with all the people here except for my Ten, this whole world and all the people are like a disturbance, you could say, through which you cannot create a connection with the Creator? Besides the Ten, all the people, the eight billion people, what's their role? To bother me from being connected to the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Their role is to be this outer wrapper. 

Student: For the sake of what? For what goal? 

M. Laitman: So that this Ten that is capable will arrange that inner connection.

Student: So there's a Ten, there's eight billion. Through the Ten I'm connected to the upper force. So again, what's all the rest for?

M. Laitman: All the rest is so this Ten will function properly.

Student: You mean without the eight billion, if you're only the Ten, you couldn't have? You couldn't have? 

M. Laitman: Yes, yes, no problem. 

Student: There's no problem? So I'm saying all eight billion, are they like a disturbance?

M. Laitman: If they disturb, they're a disturbance. But ultimately they help, it's help.

Student: (35:07) So that's what I'm asking. So what is this help? They're helping in the Ten. They're showing me the importance of Rav, of the Creator. What's bestowal? And what about the eight billion egoists? What are they giving me? 

M. Laitman: This eight billion has a certain role. The Creator is playing with them. And through them He brings to that Ten, that's advancing for the true correction, He brings them. He brings that Ten all kinds of disturbances.

Student: And we will really learn in the article, it says make yourself a Rav, buy yourself a friend and judge the whole world to the scale of merit. Because they say that many students ask specifically about what's this thing of to the scale of merit, to judge the scale of merit.

And why? Because most of the time a person, not like us, let's say mostly, a person is connected to the whole world. And very little time is in the Ten, both physically and also how, how much can a person sustain this? Certainly not a new person. That's why they're always asking, what does the wisdom of Kabbalah say? You're saying all the time in the Ten. But in the Ten, I don't know, for an hour a day or an hour a week?

M. Laitman: You can be twenty four hours a day in the Ten.

Student: Yes, that's in internality. But you understand that it's not so, it's not that a person can control his internality and he can be like that, like influenced from the environment internally. He's all the time, he's working, job, family, the practical Kabbalah that we're demanding. I'm talking about a new student, ten - fifteen years on the path, not new, new, new. So it turns out that with very little time, he can invest in practical Kabbalah in the Ten. Most of the time he is around these people. And so he's asking all the time, what's my work with them? Can't be that they exist just like that.

M. Laitman: To the extent that he's able to invest himself there, that's enough. 

Student: And how would you explain, what is it to judge the whole world to the scale of merit? 

M. Laitman: That everyone, all their actions are for creating adhesion around the Creator.

Student: That's what Rabash said, all the world are the Creator's servants? But that's how it is for the Creator? There are thoughts that awaken in a person all the time. There’s this program that he does not control. Every thought that comes, I have no control over it. It's what the Creator awakens in me the next moment. I don't know what desire he will open in me next moment. And then what is my work with those desires that awaken in me? What am I supposed to do with each desire? What ability of control do I have over my thought? 

M. Laitman: You have control. 

Student: In what? 

M. Laitman: Where through your Ten you scrutinize it, so it will be the foundation of the world. 

Student: What's in the foundation of the world? 

M. Laitman: It will be the center of the world.

Student: Corporeal desires awaken me. I feel like going swimming all of a sudden, let's say. I have no control over what's going to awaken me. That doesn't depend on me. What comes, thank God it comes. And then what is to scrutinize the desire I have in me, so it will be for the foundation of the world?

M. Laitman: I can't explain it to you more than what I've said. Everything that passes through your feelings or your mind, you must open it up. Discover the meaning of these things, and either accept it and carry it out in the connection with others, or reject it, not accept it, not do it. That's it. 

Student: How do I know if the action of implementing this thought is for the benefit of connection, the society, etc., or maybe it's a disturbance? How do I measure it? Maybe if I do it, I'm operating opposites, because my nature is a desire to receive. It's ego. It's drawn to that more. 

M. Laitman: If you raise all of your doubts and problems to the Creator, and you ask Him to make a decision and connect everything and everyone, and will give you a clear idea of what He's thinking about, then you are rewarded, and you succeed. 

Student: (40:18) So to ask the Creator, scrutinize what's correct for me? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Meaning every desire that comes, I first think, what's important for me in life? And then I go back to my Ten, and the connection, the Ten, the Creator that's in the Ten, and then accordingly I continue, always?

M. Laitman: I didn't understand. 

Student: I'm saying after every thought, every desire that comes to me, so first I stop, and don't run to do it, but rather I come back to my Ten, to my connection in the Ten, to the Creator and Rav that's in the Ten, and then according to that, I decide what to do? 

M. Laitman: And then?

Student: Then according to the importance that I defined there, I go.

M. Laitman: Okay. 

Student: What's that vessel of scrutiny that's in a person? Against the desires that awaken in him naturally, and you say that I have the ability to scrutinize them and decide correctly. What is that vessel of discernment, and for desires that awaken in him where he decides? 

M. Laitman: These are those desires that are in him, above reason. Those desires that draw him toward all kinds of states, things, directions, and he, although he's in such a whirlwind, he knows that the Creator has a plan for him, and he tries to reach this plan, and do it, carry it out. The main thing is persistence, persistence. 

Student: How to constantly be adhered to His plan? 

M. Laitman: To try? 

Student: Does He help with this? Does He help to be in His plan? 

M. Laitman: Yes. If the Creator won't help, you can't succeed in anything. 

Student: And the root of the soul. What is that thing called the root of the soul? There's those that He helps to be in His plan, there are those that are not. Some say, no, you're saying, no, it's the root of his soul. 

M. Laitman: No, no, no, that's not the root of his soul. 

Student: It's not connected to that.

M. Laitman: We'll reach the root of the soul. 

Student: It turns out that all of a person's development happens to the exertion that he does time after time. Annulment and above reason, time after time. And he doesn't get anything for free. 

M. Laitman: No. 

Student: So how to develop this ability to nullify and go above reason? 

M. Laitman: He has no choice.

Student: That's clear, that's understood, but how to succeed more in this? 

M. Laitman: How to succeed more in that? To arrange a group where the friends there will be connected to that same center of the group, the same Creator that will simply manage them. Ask the Creator to manage them as much as they do by themselves, as much as possible. The Creator should, that's what we call the Creator should finish the job for me.

Student: (45:26) So annulment needs to be of us all, everyone needs to be nullified, and only after there's this general annulment of everyone, that same center of the group begins to be created, only then?

M. Laitman: No. 

Student: So it's not enough that only one is annulled?

M. Laitman: No.

Student: So how does the Ten bring the force for annulment to dwell upon them?

M. Laitman: Each and everyone brings his own annulment.

Student: So everyone's annulled and then? 

M. Laitman: And then from everyone you get one big, one great annulment, where inside this annulment they want the Creator to dwell in them. 

Student: So the Creator dwells in the general annulment of ours, that's where the Creator is? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So where here does above reason enter? 

M. Laitman: All of these actions are above reason.

Student: All, okay, clear. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (46:41) What's in the center of the group? 

M. Laitman: In the center of the group there's connection, from all the problems, disappointments, mutual distancing, all such, all kinds of such things, and together with that, above reason, there's connection between everyone.

Student: What brings us to a common thought? Is there such a thing where it brings the Ten to a common thought, where what's felt in me, we felt in one friend and another and another and all the friends here, in the same thought? 

M. Laitman: Because you're going through the same things. You're going through the same things. You're adding to one another.

Student: Each in his way, each in his thoughts. I'm asking if there's a moment where we have the same common thought, all of us, one for everyone. Is there such a moment?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Ibur is love between us, connection is love between us?

M. Laitman: Connection is an action.

Student: And love is the result?

M. Laitman: The action that is the result of connection, yes, can be love. 

Student: But connection begets between us love.

M. Laitman: Yes. That's it. 

Student: Now we need to implement it. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (48:37) Love is something I need to understand that I received from the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Reader: (48:53) Workshop.