eng_t_rav_2012-07-02_program_haim-hadashim_n29

Dr. Michael Laitman

A New life

Talk#29 - Relationships: Building Systems for Educating Humanity 

Talk July 2, 2012

Oren: Hello and welcome to our series of talks, A New Life. We are here in the studio with Dr. Michael Laitman and some experts. Hello Dr. Laitman.

Dr. Laitman: Hello everyone.

Oren: Hello, Orit Dolev. Orit is a couple therapist and psychologist. Hello, Nitzah. Nitzah is a personal coach.

Hello to you all. You are joining us in a series of talks where we are trying to verify how we can provide practical tools and guidance for everyone so everyone can enhance their life. Our lives are built on relationships. The connections with people around us begin at home with the spouse and then continues to the kids; the entire family unit. It continues at work, with neighbors, colleagues, friends and all the people around us.

We are trying to help enhance the relations between people. We believe that the bad connections between people is the root of all evil in the world. That is why we want to help everyone to make better connections, better relations. Now we are at the stage where we are talking about relations between a couple.

Nitzah: Today we want to focus on communication between people. We understand that communication between two people is the tool that helps people connect properly between them.

We hear many times, that people feel that they have bad communication. They say about themselves, “We are not connected well. We do not connect well. I am not connected to him. I do not feel him.” This means that they make a connection between the term ‘connection’ and ‘communication’. There is a connection. And I have heard you, in other talks, speak about a unifying force between people.

So first, I would like to speak about this term about this unifying force between people.

Dr. Laitman: We are in a problem with you; all of us together. On the one hand, you present me problems of the modern world. I said from the beginning, we can only solve these problems through education. And you are always saying, “No, not through education. We need advice on how to treat people that come to us so that we can give them advice and they go and do it.” I do not have any advice for this sort of treatment.

The crisis is a special crisis that we can only solve through the ‘new man.’ Only through a new family and a new couple. Not through some little piece of advice that a therapist gives them and they go off and they are happy. We cannot sell some quick fix and succeed.

Therefore, I am here a few times and I am meeting with you. I have problem. I am frustrated. You want something from me that does not exist. It does not exist. Our crisis especially, is towards the need for a new man. We live and develop by our ego until we reach the last stage of development, the new technology which is taking the man out of his usual place.

They brought farmers from villages to the city. They broke their connection with the land and with the family. The family is dependent on work and all kinds of things. It is not closed inside itself; it has to go out. The men must go out. The women must go out to work. It was never like that. They started to break the family two hundred years ago, when the technological revolution started.

Then there were ups and downs in the economy. First it started from the invention of steam and gas until this new wave. This fifth wave that we are in is the wave of technology; internet, computers, etc. And it was finished approximately ten years ago, in 2000.

Right now, we are in an unknown situation. There needs to be a huge awakening; some new discovery in technology, a technique for how we go on from here and profit. The ego is searching for something new. But there is nothing new and there will not be.

Throughout all of these waves of technology and the economy that developed, we broke the family unit. We took the family, the natural family, that was living around the land through small industry where everybody worked, shoemakers, tailors, etc. and we tore it from where it was. Where they were connected.

People often used to work at home. A couple used to work together on the land. We took them from all those places and we broke the roots, the common roots that a family must have. And at the end of the day, we broke the family.

It is caused by our ego and the technological and industrial development. Also, our ego which increased in each family that was somehow existing at the beginning of the 20^th century, in thirty or forty years it started breaking, from the middle of the 20^th century onward we see that it started disintegrating. Because the ego finished all this work.

In my opinion, what is happening is that we are standing in front of innovation, a special renewal, that is bringing us and is obligating us to change man. Otherwise, family will not come up. A new generation will not come up. We see that even in economy, technology, etc., we feel that there is lack of connection. This lack of connection is the actual problem in the family, in the society, in industry, commerce and everything around the world and among all the people.

If we do not find a solution on how to organize this connection, we will not get out of this crisis. This wave is going downward more and more. We will not have anything new in technology or in the economy that we will suddenly be able to invent (like a computer, the internet) and to renew the industry and commerce around it and make new jobs.

It does not matter if the family is like this or like that. There is nothing. We are all stuck in front of one problem, which is the lack of connection. It is in the common market, in all the markets and in everything.

Therefore, when you want instant advice from me for a family like this or a family like that, I am in a situation that I do not know what to say. I have only one advice for you that I can go and succeed with, but only if there is a place to treat people the way I think they need to be treated.

It will not help to give them small tips that you are trying to get from me. And I am very sorry. I can go on and talk and listen and say smart things and I appear to be aggressive and rude. I am simply opening the crisis that is happening in the society more and more and pointing to the fact that we cannot correct a woman’s nature, a man’s nature and that is how it is and nothing will help. Why? Because in that I want to show, to demonstrate that there is no choice with our usual tools and usual advice. Nothing will help. If we want to help, it must be something revolutionary.

Now let me hear your case.

Nitzah: Before the case, I want to understand this revolutionary thing. Our goal is to achieve something big. I think it is possible that we gave a picture that we bring cases to get the tips. That is not our goal. Our goal in bringing the stories, is just to bring what is happening outside.

Dr. Laitman: So, do not bring me those stories. Take all the cases with kids, couples, him, her, in the workplace and all these cases are going to be treated with one solution: that we must get rid of the old person and bring into him, the new person. Only in that, can we grow and succeed and nothing else; in a child, in a mother, in a father, in everyone. All of humanity needs to go through a filter in which all of it goes in and cleans itself of all the old perspectives and all the old connections and comes out in a new way. With the understanding that if it does not do it, we are going towards chaos. The crisis will not end. With the family, especially. And all the sectors a person deals with.

Nitzah: It is important to say that the reason for this project is because we feel so much in the territory about what you say. There is such a dire need. There is such a difficult situation. We absorbed it. We spoke about it, that there truly is a process that a person needs to go through on a few levels. There is the environment that influences him to go through the change. There is also the individual process that he goes through. You made a division. Maybe we need to do it differently.

The focus here is on the individual. And it is a question. Is there a place to do a division? Two levels? Here we want to correct the connections; the personal connections. Of course, the environment needs to do a lot of work alongside that.

Dr. Laitman: We must begin from the personal individual and correct him. And we can only correct him with the correct society, the correct environment, the good new environment. We must build it. And that is the filter that a person needs to go through. And by that, he will change. After that we can talk about building the family and education of the kids. There will be someone to speak to.

Orit: But first you say a person does not have understanding.

Dr. Laitman: He does not have understanding or attributes. He has no option, no conditions around him.

Orit: So first, we must supply the general education and afterwards it will go down to the individual.

Nitzah: When we are talking about education, we are talking about education for kids which is being developed here very nicely. And there is education for adults. This is what we are talking about.

Dr. Laitman: Education for adults. This is what we are talking about. It needs to come together in classes. And they have to go through a change in intelligence, in education.

Orit: Out of their desire?

Dr. Laitman: Yes. Out of their desire. But their desire is either because he has no choice or because he understands that it is worth it. There is no choice. For example, the workplace fires him if he does not pass it. Because we see that without renewing connections at work there are problems which continue developing. And also at home.

They understand that it is impossible. That we must renew them. Also towards kids; not education of kids but parents towards kids. I think first of all, we can develop towards mothers that are concerned about looking after their kids. And therefore, we can invite them to these courses, these meetings. Afterwards they will know how to look at the child with new eyes and bring him a new environment, etc.

Orit: There is a school in Ashdod. Can I say the name?

Oren: Don’t say the name.

Orit: There is a school in Ashdod that I saw a program about. They tried a completely new educational method. They changed everything. They even changed the toilet to look like a spa. It is different smell. They learn yoga, drama and all kinds of things. There was a talk with one of the mothers that said her son is in grade four and he learned nutrition. When he came home, he made changes in the whole home. The whole home had to change nutrition as result of what he learned in school. This means by teaching the kids, they teach the older ones. So, it is not necessarily older ones teaching the kids. There is something mutual here. Maybe we should start with kids.

Dr. Laitman: I think it is rubbish to do all those things. I say sadly and seriously that they spend millions teaching kids nutrition and all that stuff that will not bring them happiness in life. I think this is clear to all of us. They will not know how to connect properly with other human beings, or how to build a home and be in a correct connection with their spouses. I do not think out this, crime or all the statistics, or violence in school will be less. Maybe because of external conditions it is little better, but are they changing the person?

Orit: Yes. There is less violence. There is more social stuff.

Dr. Laitman: Okay, life will teach us.

Oren: If I understood correctly, our goal today is to build, to educate, a new man. This new man, when he will be new, will his connections be corrected in all his systems? Will he understand how to correct his corrections by himself or we are going to teach him to do it?

Dr. Laitman: He will understand it out of his new education.

Oren: Will they speak about this clearly or will he discover it himself because they will talk to him about other things?

Dr. Laitman: This and that. The new man understands a few things from himself and some he is getting while learning.

Oren: What is he getting while learning? Will there be a unit that will deal with his dealings with his spouse, his connection as parent and in the workplace? There will be a model for each part of his life?

Dr. Laitman: Yes.

Oren: So, what do we want to teach the person today? Say he is seating in the class and he is learning about new relations: You are a new man. Let us teach you how to build a new couple.

Dr. Laitman: First you have to be a new person. I am sorry. In the framework, you first have to format him properly.

Oren: This is what I am asking. The formatting, is it talking in general or also specifically about relationships?

Dr. Laitman: After the general we can talk about the new format of the family.

Oren: Do you want to talk about the new format of the family?

Dr. Laitman: No, because there is no foundation.

Oren: Let us give the foundation.

Dr. Laitman: That is a different story.

Oren: Let us give them the foundation. He is not going to sit there for years.

Dr. Laitman: He is just an average Joe, but he needs to change by the environment. I cannot give you tips.

Oren: I do not need tips.

Dr. Laitman: You want tips.

Oren: We do not want tips.

Dr. Laitman: But this is what I am hearing. That you want, with a few short sentences, what I’ll tell him and through that he will change.

Oren: Educate him how to be part of a good couple.

Dr. Laitman: Not just for a couple; for all connections. No.

Now I need to make him a new person and then these connections. Is that clear or not? There is no person in front of me. First, I need a person in front of me. And then I teach this person, this wooden doll. I build him out of wood. Now I am teaching him how he goes to school, how he goes to get married, how he goes to work; all the cases. But I build him so that he understands what I mean. I teach him a bit about these things because he understands from his inner essence. What are these things? The correct relations in each and every case in his life.

Oren: What do you teach him in the beginning? We use to have an understanding that somebody will pay him to sit and study these things i.e. the government. We made a project like that. In the meantime, there are many people who are not getting paid to do this. Nobody is sitting him down. The man is living at his home.

I do not even know how to explain it to myself. But let us say, he has a desire to open an ear to us, like a cat who lifts his ear, what you want to teach him. But he agrees to study if he understands that this study will bring benefit to his life. He has no interest in being a new man. He has an interest in cleaning up all his messy connections. “First we are going to make you a new man and then as a result you will get along better in your connections.” But from his place he does not have that depth; he only understands that he has problems in life. These are people’s problems. If we want to begin talking at the level of the individual, we need to go to where he is and not rely on the fact that somebody gave a check for him to sit and study.

Dr. Laitman: A person comes to a psychologist to get advice. Usually, the psychologist gives advice in changing behavior; the man with his environment. But a person needs to change. He needs to understand the advice: how he behaves now and how he needs to change his behavior. It is the same thing here.

We cannot give him one simple tip to do this and this. That you have someone you hate that you want to get along with. No. We are teaching him here how in general to change his relation to himself, to life, and to the world. So it is not one little tip, but changing his philosophy in life, his general perspective in life. That is why it is called education.

Oren: Up until now, it is very interesting.

Dr. Laitman: It is like a psychologist that he goes to for an hour or two. Here we are talking about an hour or two over a long period. And apart from that, because it is changing a person in general, we need to build an environment to help him change and which will give him an example. That will help him to see where he is correct or not correct, how he needs to think, how he needs to relate to things, to react to things in a new way, to change his behavior and his perspective. All these things. He needs to understand that what is around him, belongs to him. That the world is closer to him than he thought and not against him as an alienated place; a place where he needs to succeed and control. We must to change these things.

It is impossible to provide it through verbal advice. There is an explanation and practice. Explanation and example. And all the time you need to change it. Just like giving examples to kids all the time. You give a kid a thousand lectures, talks and tips. Nothing will help. You must show him how you do it. He looks at you and that is exactly what he will do. He does not understand words. He sees what happens among the older people and that is what he also wants to do. It is the nature of monkeys that lives in us; this habit, this inclination. We cannot do anything with that and we need to take this into account. Education is only through example. That is why we need an environment. A person who comes, comes into a group.

Oren: And if he does not come?

Dr. Laitman: Then he does not come. It is like today. If he does not come to a psychologist or psychiatrist, then he does not come. Maybe the landlord is forcing him. Or the boss wants better relations between the employees because he understands he can profit more and achieve better results. Or maybe his spouse is forcing him or they are coming together.

Oren: So, I see there are two elements in this process. There are one or two hours a week.

Dr. Laitman: Not a week. I am talking about a course. If it is unemployed people, then it is every day.

Oren: No, not unemployed people. That is a previous project. We gave them everything. There are lots of people who are not unemployed. They are living in their world.

Dr. Laitman: Let us say couples that have problems.

Oren: I am not even looking at them like that. I am looking at one person that has problems in life. His connections with people.

Dr. Laitman: Through all kinds of TV programs, etc., he can get examples of how to succeed through this course.

Oren: Sell him our course. Okay, let us say he does not want to buy the course.

Dr. Laitman: So, there is nothing you can do.

Oren: Of course there are things we can do. Maybe we can give him a product to have at home; without leaving home. Most of the population is passive.

Dr. Laitman: It is possible that you can. I am not sure.

Oren: Let us say he knows that you are in my living room. Talk to me about life. I want you to come to my living for an hour every day.

Dr. Laitman: It is possible. You need to think about some wise way that he will feel that he is in an environment. He has to feel from the TV screen. We need to bring him into our living room; not to be in his living room. We need to bring him into the group. We need to bring him into our activities. We must influence him emotionally. It is very difficult to do that through the TV screen when he is sitting there in his slippers with a beer or a coffee and every second he has a phone call or a conversation and interruptions. I do not think anything will come out of it.

Nitzah: Can I say something about this? In my expertise, I know lots of people who read books and as a result they understood how much they did not understand and they went to study. So many times, the trigger that brings a person out of the place where he is, is that place of a book or a show that suddenly switches something on and they say, “Hey there is something here. Now I get it. I was so busy with my pain and my problems that I was not able to think of another option. By reading the book or watching the show it opened up for me. It created a genuine need in me to go through a process and now I am more ready”. So maybe it is steps.

Dr. Laitman: I agree. I am not a salesperson. Correct. I am far from operating that way and connecting with people that way. But of course there are many channels to the general public. I am talking about from the moment he comes into a course. There, we can influence him.

Orit: So you are saying that we develop, throughout time, to be very egoistic and everyone is only concerned with themselves and we are less considerate of society and the people next to us. Maybe this egoism or this badness has become our second nature.

Dr. Laitman: No. It is our first nature. The foundation. The ego is our nature.

Orit: So it means that through what we teach in these courses we will be able to change the first nature and transform it.

Dr. Laitman: We will know how to use the first nature properly. And that is called second nature.

Oren: I have a question.

Dr. Laitman: Second nature, truly, if we acquire the attribute of bestowal. But I am talking about providing a person a course that should give tips. That could bring a person to a state where he understands them and he can use them. Because without education he will not be able to implement the things he learned.

Orit: So, we are talking about practice.

Oren: You say that you are talking about from the moment he comes into the course. Okay. The course needs to be virtual. People are sitting in classes or virtual. You are going to fill classes with people, but people are waiting and the classrooms are only for thirty people.

Dr. Laitman: Forget it. We do not have seven billion people.

Oren: We have seven billion people sitting at home.

Dr. Laitman: Seven billion people are not running to have a course.

Oren: Why not?

Dr. Laitman: Because they are still in a state where they do not understand that they do not need to change the world to get out of all these crises and all these pains. They need to change man; his behavior.

Oren: Do I expect them to get to it by themselves or to lead them there?

Dr. Laitman: To lead them in a virtual way. But to truly teach them how to change, I am not sure we can do it virtually. If we can, then it needs to be supported by the media, schools and all the places where people are in touch with the education system. We will be able to reach them there. And those who are not there, then through the TV screen.

Oren: So, let us say we are on the TV screen for those that can. And let us say they would agree to listen to us. What do we want to talk to them about it?

Dr. Laitman: We need to talk to them about man’s nature, but in a very attractive way. With psychologists and all kinds of people that will explain in a pleasant attractive way and full of examples. We explain man’s nature and how we behave. Provide examples from all kinds of cases of kids, adults, young couples, man, woman, at home and in the family. Where there is betrayal and where friends are getting together.

We show a person his nature. To explain to a person how he decides what to do at each moment, how he chooses each time, consciously and subconsciously, the most pleasant things; the things that appear most pleasant to him. Is he taking others into consideration or his future and his past? How much his ego is controlling here and not allowing us to be independent and decide in a healthy and decisive manner.

How can we rise above controlling our desire to receive when each person is a desire to receive? He has a desire for knowledge and sex and food. How they enjoy these things, but in a way that they will not pay a high price for it. All of them together. You need to explain these things. You cannot leave a person.

Oren: Who is going to explain it to people?

Dr. Laitman: All the experts. They can talk about it easily. Apart from football it looks like you do not watch anything on TV. I watch National Geographic.

Oren: People have been watching National Geographic for millions of years.

Dr. Laitman: I am saying that there are people who know how to explain easily: experts. They know how to explain their subject in an attractive manner. A psychologist speaks in an attractive way. And a doctor and a teacher and a policeman and someone else. We just need to explain to a person who he is. Through what urges he exists. How his decisions are made. How he is impressed by things. How he perceives the world. He has to live in it. He has to begin understanding himself. We have to give him what nobody ever gave him in nursery school or school.

Oren: You want to give it to him or you want somebody else to give it to him?

Dr. Laitman: No. It is in our course. But not just me. It is a team.

Oren: Okay. Of course, a team will be part of the package.

I am saying something simple. Everything you said now: that you need to teach me how to know myself and to enjoy things in the way that I will not lose out. If for example, I would meet you in my living room and you spoke about it in a very interesting way (even though it was a bit philosophical), i.e. to enjoy things in a way that I will not lose out, to understand myself and to understand how I behave in my relationships. That is my life. If you would really come into my living room and sit with me and teach this to me and it was interesting, I might invite you to come tomorrow.

But in the meantime, what we are explaining is not at that level. Until today, we knew how to explain the world, evolution, history, global and integral. Nobody brought you into the living room because they are not living it. They do not have thoughts like that.

The question is, are we going to leave people on their own or are we agreeing to meet them in the living room? Today, there are people that will listen if you have something to say. We see it in abundance in every event. People are thirsty but they need to hear something. They need to hear smart things; something that they can absorb and digest. I know that we do not have it. We only have people that are suffering more and more each day. We have what to give them but we have not met them in their living room. We met them on our board where we explain that the world is global and that is why you need to change and be a new man. But it is going a thousand meters over; it is only going to very special people. But there is ninety nine percent and not just…

Dr. Laitman: I understand what you are saying, your claim, and you are right. But, that is what I am personally capable of. I understand what you are saying. I do not think I am capable of changing. I do not think I have lots of time left for changes and it is a problem. I agree with what you are saying. It looks like a very big problem and I hope that some of my students will succeed to go down closer to people and know how to explain these things to them simply. I do not see that I am capable. As much as I attempt to go down to the level of my students it is very difficult for me. I understand that all the other people before me wanted to do it and succeed until a certain level and not lower.

Oren: But it was different times. Now people are ready. Just talk. Just broadcast what they want to hear.

Dr. Laitman: Yes, but apparently, it has to be someone new.

Oren: I do not believe that.

Dr. Laitman: In the meantime, I try to provide what I can in the way that I can. That is the truth. It is hard for me to dress in a person that is completely, completely blocked.

Oren: He is not blocked. He goes to listen to all your rubbish. To listen. He is sensitive. He is smart. He is a modern person. He is not idiot. We think he is an idiot but he is not.

Dr. Laitman: What you are saying is that a modern person goes to get advice.

Oren: Maybe he goes. Maybe he does not. Maybe he reads books.

Dr. Laitman: There is a huge distance between something that appears modern in your words, in your terms, and between what I am saying. Because for you, modern is that he understands all kinds of tricks that they told him in school: techniques, technologies and even science. All kinds of things. But it does not help him to be more sensitive and to change; his inner changes. Here, I need to be a special expert. I think that first of all, even without words, you need to bring him straight into all kinds of activities.

Oren: He is not coming to anything. He is sitting at home in his living room with another six billion.

Dr. Laitman: But I have nothing to give him.

Oren: I see you have an abundance to give him. Every time you talk about the world of the individual, that you dress in one person, everything you say are the things that people will drink like water.

Dr. Laitman: So take it and give it to them.

Oren: Okay. I am trying to give it to them but I do not have enough to provide them with yet. I am just saying that you are saying “I do not have what to give them.” I see that when you talk about how a person feels and how a person thinks, people look at you like a magnet. It does not matter which country, which language. Why? Because they do not hear anything? No, because they hear something new. Yes. Does it grab their heart? Yes. Do they understand it with their mind? Yes.

Dr. Laitman: I do not feel that I, myself, that I am capable of building a method for a regular, average Joe kind of person.

Oren: So, who is going to?

Dr. Laitman: I have students. I am telling you seriously. What do you want from me, Oren?

Oren: I want you to meet a person in his living room. He agrees to meet you. Talk to him.

Dr. Laitman: It is not talking. I must bring him inner changes. I can only bring these inner changes through acts. Acts with him, that he will feel. Not words. In words, I cannot give him more than a few words that he will barely understand or does not understand at all. It is impossible to convey these things with an explanation.

Just like two hundred years ago, he did not understand what would be happening in his life now. Because he had to go through an emotional experience. A person is a will to receive. He only understands through his emotion and his brain comes after. If I put him into a certain activity, an exercise and he is like, “Oh. Ooh. Ah.” He goes through all kinds of feelings and afterwards I can explain to him why he went through it. How did you feel? Where did you feel it from? There will be something to explain because he has gone through an experience. Our education is based on experience.

We have a problem. I do not want to say that I am waiting until they cannot already sit at home.

Oren: But, that is what comes out. You are building on it, that they come to you?

Dr. Laitman: Yes, I am building on it. I am building on it and I think they will come.

Oren: They are coming. They are coming now.

Dr. Laitman: They will come to our groups and our courses.

Oren: They are coming. But, many are not coming.

Nitzah: Can I suggest an idea?

Dr. Laitman: You are going in the direction of our last talks: Give us advise. Give me something face to face. He has a beer and a cigarette and he is sitting and listening. From that he will have a new life. It will not help. There is no such thing.

Oren: That is not what I am looking for. I want him to have a private teacher. There is a teacher in a class for thirty people. There is a private teacher. I bring a teacher home. You said it is our profession to build a new person. You said, “Build a new person and then we will format him and he will get along in every aspect of his life.” Be a private teacher.

Dr. Laitman: I have students that are far away and they learn through the screens. But they want to learn. They are with a group that you see on the screen. They are with us with their heart and soul. They want to merge with us. They drink the words that I say. He is more in the group than someone who is there physically.

Oren: That is something else. Those are Kabbalah students.

Dr. Laitman: It does not matter. Kabbalah or bestowal. Iit does not matter what he is studying. Let them learn technique. It does not matter.

I sometimes see these science shows on TV, on my computer and on the internet and I am immersed in them. I have a thousand questions. I really go through an experience. I am sweating. If this person at home has a desire, then through a long explanation of how to join the society, how to merge, how to build it in all kinds of theaters for him and systems that will grab him and bring him into the TV screen, that is possible. They will bring him in. Not into the TV screen. Not just me talking to him blah, blah, blah from the TV screen.

Oren: By the way, all the students you have today learned through the TV screen.

Dr. Laitman: They had special preparation on their own.

Oren: You said they need to have desire. Great. So they have a desire. Your Kabbalah students have a desire to develop. Great.

Dr. Laitman: And even though they do not understand anything they continue.

Oren: So, what about the seven billion? What kind of desire do they have? They want to live well. Their life is not good. Where in their life is not good? Where life is. In these systems: at home, at work, etc. So, they have desire to live well. Are you a teacher who needs to teach them how to live well?

Dr. Laitman: Yes. I am a teacher for the good life.

Oren: Say, one person invited you to give him a private lesson in his living room.

Dr. Laitman: I come to his living room?

Oren: Let us say you have agreed to.

Dr. Laitman: So, I bring ten people with me.

Oren: It is bit of a situation.

Dr. Laitman: That is my tool to change a person. I do not have anything else.

Oren: I understand you have two paths that you operate on. One is an environment; the ten people you wanted to bring with you. Nine people and he is the tenth person. And you will talk. Right?

Dr. Laitman: That is something else. Talking is not important.

Oren: What do you mean it is not important?

Dr. Laitman: The talking will be an explanation for the things that we will do in the exercises.

Oren: It is a problem.

Dr. Laitman: It is because you created an imaginary situation. Nobody will invite you and ten people into their living room.

Oren: So, what are the other seven billion people going to do? We are waiting for them in our classroom. Nine of us are waiting for the tenth person to join us. So we can conclude on this optimistic note.

Dr. Laitman: You are taking the only tool that I have from me. So, what do you want me to answer?

Oren: You are building on them being active.

Dr. Laitman: You can operate it from the TV screen. We will build all kinds of shows that will be for them as a demonstration, an emotional demonstration, to such an extent that it is almost as if he is participating. That is possible. But, we still need to glue him to the screen. My students are glued because they have a point in the heart. Maybe we need to do dissemination through the media. Here we need a special expert.

What do you want me to do? Their desire to receive is not in my hands so that I can awaken them. I am not handing drugs out to each them with a stick and giving them each a spark in the heart. We are talking about regular things. And to reach the seven billion on TV screens, that is also a dream. It is not realistic. Who will allow you to do that? In the meantime they are not interested in what we are talking about.

Oren: That is the problem. We are talking about high things and they are not high. They are simple people. They are not correcting the world like us.

Dr. Laitman: I think that if we give our power and we are building ourselves toward that, we are acquiring experience and getting impressions and feedback from what we are doing. First, we are building ourselves as educators. Afterward, I think in another half year (I do not know how long it will take) we will truly be able to build such TV shows in this studio that we are in now.

There will be such TV shows that a person, almost in his desire, even if he does not have problems in life, will want to watch it because he will see interesting situations. It will be like a thriller, like a series. Also, psychologically, in a way that he will see himself in others the way he sees in all the serials. We will be able to build it.

It is a problem with budgets; how to turn things around well. But actually this is what we have to do. Psychological serials from life, and not something imaginary where everyone is playing like plastic. But, they need to grab a person in his heart, in his stomach. In all kinds of problems that are truly from his life.

You need to add more advertising in the media, articles in the newspapers, radio talks, celebrities, and experts. We need to bring nice results from school, from some families, etc. But all together, we have no choice. We have to build these sketches.

Orit: You are talking about an education kit for adults where we are inviting them to come and see what we have to offer them. Then we are talking about man’s nature.

Dr. Laitman: Afterwards, we have what to give them.

Orit: But the first thing to bring them in, is to see that they will want this program.

Dr. Laitman: Without saying this word ‘program’, we are show them this serial. It has to be so appealing that they will be glued to the TV. Because it will really be as if it is from their life; like about me and my neighbor. There will be all kinds of cases where I am with the kids, with the wife, at work, with my friends. All kinds of problems with the car, with the garbage and everything. But, things that are very much from life and not like in the cinema. From life, in the way that I see that it is really like that. That it is really happening.

And here, suddenly, I see a special trick. How they are turning it around. How I am getting an explanation of why he did this and she did that and why we can change it. And in very simple manner, we only need to change the way we relate to things. We need experts in psychology and movie people, theater people.

Here, we have work to bring a person the current life analysis: Why he does what he does. The new life with analysis and how we make the transition from the current life to the new life. In what ways, it can be done with the family, with the kids, etc. and the great result that we archive. I understand that that is what we need to do.

I do not have the strength to do it. I do not have the expertise. I am not the actor. I do not have the means to build such things. I do not have people that know and are ready with the script to implement it. All these things have to be built. But if we are talking about the attitude through the TV screen, then that is how it has to be. We spoke of this many times but the problem is really implementing it.

Orit: Through what the person sees and then identifies with it, how then does he have to start practicing it?

Dr. Laitman: Even just participating. We are talking about the first phase. He is participating in it all the time and then that serial is being changed all the time because he is participating emotionally. Just like we behave today. For twenty or thirty years, we saw behavior and so that is how I behave. I take a cup like this because that is what I saw. I sit like this because that is how I saw people sit. I talk like this because that is how I heard people talk. It is all according to examples. Psychology agrees with that?

Orit: Yes.

Dr. Laitman: Even not according to psychology. So, we need to give him the same: New examples from the new life. Why will he want them? Because he will see according to the scenes that we are building in front of him that he is profiting from it. That this will bring him to the wonderful new life. You spoke before, about the experience that he goes through like in a cinema. We go through the experience with our heroes.

Orit: But it is an emotional experience. It is not practical.

Dr. Laitman: It is emotional because it is very close to his life. It is not in Honolulu or some other place and something is happening and it is just interesting. But rather, it attracts me because it is things that I see that are happening around me and I suddenly begin to see the internal part of things. Why she did this and why he did that. What they are thinking. What their impulses are. What is motivating them.

Why do I call it a psychological serial? Because we need to open a person’s tummy, his brain, and begin to explain to him what is happening. What is happening behind this picture, behind these acts. What kind of calculations we make. What kind of connections there are and what motivates us. What are the inner urges turning us around? How much am I consciously working with them? How much are they subconsciously working on me? All these things have to be conveyed in a way that they will be attractive and understood to the simple man. It is possible to do it.

It is very exciting. It is sort of an X-ray where I am showing external acts and after that on the other screen what the hand is that is turning them around: nature. And that is how they behave and what comes out of it. We can take this hand that is turning us and we need to change it.

There is a huge challenge here. I do not feel I have the strength or ability to put it all into scripts in the correct order and to write. I do not have strength for it. If there are a few experts I think I would be able to do it. This is the only influence on the wide audience. Otherwise, like Oren says, there are seven billion people. What are you going to do with them?

We have a billion kids going to school all over the world. We need to open those schools in the evenings. Kids learn to a certain hour and in the evening another billion-people come to study. There is no way around it. Now we are in the situation where the whole middle class and all of those people will not have work. There will be a loan that you get or a scholarship or unemployment on the condition that you come to these courses. These are courses for the new life.

Orit: But for that you need a law.

Dr. Laitman: Yes. The government needs to understand that through this, a person becomes calmer. He understands and feels and does not go breaking windows, does not cause revolutions and does not use drugs or alcohol. He becomes a citizen and knows how to fill himself. Even if he does not have work it is worth a lot of money. That is it.

Orit: The question is if the government wants to.

Dr. Laitman: The government wants that they will all be heard. So, it is possible. They will understand that this is for their best. The path is that we have to build it. But I do not have tips. There is no instant solution here.

Orit: If we take all the things you said in the previous talks, we have material. But not enough.

Dr. Laitman: It is just giving them some pacifier. It will not really change anything. If the person does not change by himself (and in most cases, it is not one person but two or more people that have to change themselves) we are not creating a new correct system of the correct relationship.

Oren: Do you have other questions?

Nitzah: I think we were concerned about the format of this program and we chose cases, not because we wanted to bring them in order to have personal stories where you become their advisor. The goal was to describe a phenomenon and explain it at that level. It is possible that somehow it didn’t work. It is possible. The truth is, that we already made a change today.

Dr. Laitman: So, we are starting a program. Let’s go!

Oren: We are completing this current discussion and we invite you to join us in the next one. Come. It will be interesting for sure! Until then, goodbye.

End of Conversation