Morning Lesson September 20, 2022, Transcription
Transcription is made from simultaneous translation which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio
Part 2:
Baal HaSulam. The Nation (The Individual and the Nation)
1. R. Yes, we really want to understand this article since this is a very important and comprehensive article by Baal HaSulam. It explains human and social structures. We have to know that we should know that in order to understand in what way we are advancing towards the final correction.
Reading (00:46) “The Individual and the Nation”
2. R. (02:05) This we see before our eyes, yes.
Reading (02:13) “Observing life, we see that the process of a nation is just as the process of an individual…”
3. R. (03:33) I don't have anything to add here it's clear and if you have time read it again later I recommend let's continue.
Reading (03:42) “As the natural death of the individual results…”
4. R. (05:18) This means we see how much Baal HaSulam gives importance to connection between people and he says just like the cells of the body that have sustained the body, thanks to him the body exists or humans and that is clear to us that if we come to the state of the nation disintegrates accordingly its forces fall and has no right to exist. This is how we see Nation’s descent only because they don't have connection and that they are part of one nation.
5. S. (06:09) What are we lacking in Bnei Baruch to be able to connect and where else is some lack that we can build?
R. I can only say one thing we're lacking in what we learn also today, in the previous lesson that all our spiritual existence depends on the amount or to the extent of our connection between us. Second, third and fourth degree accordingly we will feel spirituality more and more until the whole spiritual world will be revealed to us everything depends only on the extent of the connection and what is going to be revealed in us called our internal spiritual force or the Creator.
6. S. (07:27) What does he mean here that in this generation there was this hatred that led to ruin. What is that hatred? How can this be explained?
R. There was hatred, it doesn't matter what was in the past.
S. Is there a connection between the hatred like you say, that you need to have between friends until the final correction and that hatred discussed back then is there a connection?
R. It doesn't matter to me what has been then and now all I know is that upon every hatred that appears upon each connection in love.
S. So it wasn't not impossible to achieve that love?
R. I don't know I'm not a historian, I don't know what was in the past. Doesn't matter to me. What I am concerned about is what I have now engaging in comparison between the two. I have no business doing that.
S. What is he talking about here? He hints to us that we need to reach the same hatred to make a correction?
R. We don't need to reach the same hatred we have to reach connection upon whatever is revealed and every time you try to aim ourselves to connection, connection, connection. To the extent that the lack of connection will appear upon its we put connection more and more doesn't matter for me what happens I'm not going to be in the qualities of the people those times I can understand them feel them and be instead of them so how can I speak? I don't understand enough where I am and where they were? I can't compare to them. I can't relate to them. I can answer them. I am where I am. I have to keep existing with what I have. That's it.
7. S. (9:57) If each part has a role of its own, why do all the parts want to control?
R. The ego of each and every one that's the principle of the ego. I will rule.
S. What is that state?
R. What state?
S. What is this day that each part fulfills its role completely because it still wants to control?
R. That's not what it is about here. Here it speaks about us correcting ourselves. On the one hand we are all incorporated in our big ego and will grow and above that we will connect with restriction , screen and reflected light in the mutual connection between us. We will be in a very strong intensity that will incorporate both the good force and the evil force. These two forces will work in one direction. That's what we need to reach.
S. By this each part reaches the understanding of its role?
R. Yes. each part reaches its role. We all work for one goal to complete everyone. Each one completes everyone else.
8. S. (11:34) Does each and every nation have a different condition for their connection or is it a universal condition?
R. Both, this will be revealed. We have yet to see how much each and everyone and everyone has different and very special roles. When you cannot join everyone together and the system won't be whole the machine will not work. It is like an engine. You have these small parts, and you think without such a small part but nothing will work.
S. Each nation will understand the connection in a different way, it has a different role?
R. Of course.
S. In the globalized world that we are in now does a person have to be enslaved to his nation or develop some dependence on the world?
R. First to the group, the nation and then the world.
9. S. (12:48) He writes that the condition for each nation needs to be connected from within and all the individuals will be connected from instinctive love. We learn that Israel is exactly the opposite of instinctive love, that its representatives from all the nations of the world are hateful towards each other so what instinctive love does he refer to here or who are those who are supposed to connect through this instinctive love?
R. Everyone has to connect with instinctive love ultimately, as it was prior to the shattering. That is the sign of the complete correction.
S. Here says every nation still not a complete correction that each nation is connected from within, in instinctive love…
R. Yes, this is how it was to begin with. In all the groups and nations and later the ego worked in such a way that the ego dispersed more and more until we reach a state that through the separation you start to understand that the true and complete correction is actually the connection between everyone.
S. When he writes here about instinctive love, does he mean all the nations of the world and the nation of Israel?
R. Also everyone but first of all Israel, it's the return to the 12 tribes, etc.
10. S. (14:30) In conversations with the Jews overseas and non-Jews there's always this discussion about the role of the Jews and there's dissemination and then there is the question of the role of the other 70 nations
R. This will be clarified, I don't know.
S. What do we say for now?
R. What do we say? The corrections are the same, its connection between everyone, connections within the groups, within the nations and later after that we understand what we need and in what way we have to complement each other. The general correction is to reveal the Creator in the complete and the whole manner, between everyone. In what's great and in what form , in what order that will be revealed ? I do not know but all we have to work on is connection. there's nothing else.
S. Okay, but we always say that the Israeli nation must begin.
R. We have to set this sample, that is correct. All the people that have some tendency to discover the upper force and to be connected to it their performance to be connected to it, to understand the essence of the life, purpose of light there called Yashar El, Israel and all those we are inviting them, we are drawing them, we are teaching them, to reach connection first and to show an example for everyone.
S. The Kabbalist can't give us the root explanation of each and every nation in the world?
R. What for? What is the root?
S. There are seventy nations, they have a spiritual root.
R. Suppose I tell you that a root of a certain nation is Hesed, Gevura, Daat and Tifferet so what is next?
S. I'm saying the question is very simple, if I'm speaking to people and I'm talking about the role of the Israeli nation to connect humanity to be the first, to be the example as you say, so each one says I want to say I want to help. Are you part of the Israeli nation?
R. Yes.
S. If I don't want to support it for now?
R. So you don't belong?
S. Then what is my role?
R. Your role is to live your life in the meantime until you understand that all of us have to connect together. We are in the state of the final correction of the last generation. This is why each and every one bit by bit is getting reminded emotionally.
S. Then the Israeli nation has another role?
R. This I don't know. I'm afraid to say, to put pressure on the Israeli nation. But this will certainly happen.
S. So if someone says to me I don't see myself as part of the Israeli nation and I do want to see this connection happening .
R. This is considered that you are part of the Israeli nation. That you want to be in connection. That is the definition of the Israeli nation. People will understand that the connection of the whole human world is the connection between those human beings.
11. S. (18:07) He talks about the harmony that is supposed to be among all of the organs. What is harmony and how do we keep it or help it?
R. The harmony between all of the organs is like the harmony in the body where every organ performs its role to supply what all the organs need. To be in the general balance which is the way the healthy body works to be in the healthy balance and to do what is required of it. This is how we in the connection between us all human beings have to reach a state that we do connect between us to support each other. Look how opposite it is from what we have today, wars, problems.
S. That's exactly the question because you see that at first he says the person is a social being and he has to be assisted by others.
R. That's from above, a person is a social being.
S. But you see that in this whole harmony that the Creator created there are many viruses and germs … a position purpose to discern for a person with Harmony he should attain.
R. That is on purpose for a person to discern what harmony he should attain.
12. S. (19:10) The connection has to go through each and every nation separately?
R. The correction has to reach every nation separately? I do not know exactly. I think you are correct but should it really be this way? I do not know. I know that the lack of connection has to be revealed in the nations of the world and they have to put pressure on the people of Israel in every nation and the general people of Israel which is us and this way by their pressure will push ourselves also to connection.
S. We should say leave the connection in the world by each nation connecting in itself and feeling connection and then coming to a global connection?
R. I do not think this is the way it's going to happen when everyone will be separated and live in their boundaries again. I don't think this is the way it should be but a feeling toward each and every one is his group not a Ten and a bigger group that there will be a change.
S. I want to ask because we see that the nation's today are very much mingling with each other. Is it very hard to go back to the previous state and everyone is mixed in Europe and in the US. There are many places in this mixture?
R. I think we are not talking about a mixture of biological data but rather the different kinds of desire which are completely different. I can't even explain this. hese are similar and different desires the way they will be organized in some distance or proximity to each other. It is not exactly about being Chinese or Japanese or he's American and he's from Indonesia. I do not think this is the way it is. I think it is going to be to a degree which is beyond these biological marks of what nation I belong to by our genes but rather by our spiritual genes but I say again. let's read and see. I don't want to decide in advance. I want to see every time something new.
S. Just to be sure when we disseminate the Wisdom of Kabbalah and push towards connecting the whole world, we are doing it in a general way as a way towards everyone?
R. Yes.
S. Then somehow it is supposed to start falling into place? We don't know yet how, but the correction is supposed to come happen by itself?
R. We don't determine anything. All we do is put pressure in the direction of connection.
S. Thank you.
R. You said it nicely
13. S. (23:38) If we are seeing that through the nation and through the individual is not the same way, and in the whole world it turns out that everything indicates a problem so lack of connection external problems lack of connection. There is one nation that attacks another nation and it shows lack of connection. Suppose there is one nation attack another nation, it shows lack of connection.
R. Yes.
S. It turns out that in our dissemination that's what we should disseminate?
R. You speak to the dissemination department, and they will accept it or not, check with them on all those things. I am related to that; I am related to what we study the writings of Baal HaSulam.
14. S. (24:56) I read this excerpt about the individual and the nations and from Columbia I saw all kinds of suggestions but there is no true solution. What can we suggest to humanity in dissemination? How can we suggest this as a method that can help?
R. You too connect with the dissemination department and see what you can do. For all of mankind. They will explain to you what they are working on and how they can disseminate all of this knowledge to all the nations and to all the people.
15. S. (26:11) How should I look at the fall the people of Israel in spirituality compared to the nation of Rome it says that I have
R. There's no need for you to start now dedicating yourself to do some Nation on your own or Israel. Also Israel is not a nation, it is a group that is in movement towards the final correction Yashar Kel straight to the Creator, resembling the Creator. That's what is called Israel. All the rest are just names that do not really have connection with the true reality.
16. S. (27:25) Every nation has its leaders, what is their role? Because there is a conflict, on the one hand, we learned that the heart of the ministers and rulers are in the hand of the Creator, on the other hand, they try to separate everyone?
R. The Creator influences through the managers and prime ministers of the people to reveal to all the nations in what non corrected state they are in to awaken them towards correction.
Continue (28:33) “This does not mean that all the people in the nation…”
17. R. (29:52) That's clear to us that in such a way that it was possible to connect around we are the head of the family, the mother, and the children and so on and that's how everyone connected Greater than that several men and several women and the children and so forth and to this day there are such forms of extended families. That's basically what family means because the connection is directly connected to the household and children and so on.
Reading (30:40) "However as the generation evolved there were already societies..."
18. S. (31: 31) It doesn't matter who I am, the Creator is greater than me, infinitely times more the question is why does the greatness of the Creator turn shame to a great honor?
R. I don't know. We will learn and understand.
19. S. (32:03) How does connection between students of Kabbalah help the connection of people who do not study in order to correct the whole of humanity? What is missing here?
R. There are a few things here, first of all, we are connected. Our group is quite big around the world. I will tell you; I was just in Georgia and all of a sudden the car stopped, and people waved at me that they know me or people walk next to me and say hello. You know in what places in such remote deserted places that it is almost on the iceberg, places like that. People hear, feel they know somehow, they have some connection with us. So what do I want to say, our influence it's nevertheless great and it already resides in the world, and we are humanity's awareness. To the extent that they want to accept it, that's not up to us but it depends on the deficiency that the Creator wants to reveal. On our part, we have to prepare the portion and they on the Creator's part will come to us and receive it. When we will open our arms to embrace everyone with no limitations. That's how we need to arrange ourselves.
20. S. (34:20) He writes that there is a sum of individuals that is enough for this sustainability. What does it mean the sum of individuals?
R. It is like in a group that decides to have Ten and no nine or eleven but Ten people it is already a group, a complete group.
S. Is the ten enough for every nation to be connected?
R. It is sufficient for that t en to already be a source for that Nation.
S. According to what is the connection or that division of Nations?
R. We do not know that, that still needs to be revealed. It is like in the human body, look how many parts you have, how that are all connected and how they are all intricate. Similarly we will discover the role of each nation and their relative role of all Nations.
21. S. (35:35) What is the connection between 70 Nations of the world and 200 countries that are today in the world?
R. I don't know. I also don't want to make these calculations that belong to that and that belong to that. I do not have sufficient inner feeling of this whole Kli that is still not corrected and broken and shattered in different ways, mingled in different ways, so I don't know how to exactly cut it and sort it by what measures on a coordinate with what attributes I don't know. To me it seems that it is something very abstruse.
S. In principle, what is the difference between a nation and a state?
R. The states in our world right now are some artificial kind of a structure. A Nation refers to something deeper that's more related to nature itself. The kind of integration that we have today in corporeality between the nations of the world all of it is indications that we are getting closer and I don’t see anything against the correction in this, because there is always mingling and it does not seem that there is a disturbance in this. Whatever happens, happens. We only need to care about one thing that only all the people will be face-to-face to each other as much as possible
22. S. (37:37) What about Kabbalists, is there a difference between different Nations? Does he relate to different nations differently?
R. Yes , all the nation, well it depends on the height of the Kabbalist but basically all the nations are on a single height, single-level, except that you can say that he had a specific inclination to a certain Nation because he thinks that through it a specific kind of connection or for now can be done but in principle there is no difference. Ultimately there's no difference. Ultimately they're all one sphere. A person sees reality and humanity according to his spiritual degree and in that way.
S. What about dissemination?
R. I already you told you who to turn to with these questions. Here we are only asking about the text. I'm sorry you didn't understand the first time. I'm telling you again. If you are asking point to the place in the text that you are asking about and make sure you don't steal others time.
23. S. (39:30) He talks about the relationship that used to be with the family or the race compared with the attitude today between a person and the nation. He's talking about the mutual need?
R. He says that we need to move from the natural connection we once had, like families, clans you know there used to be two hundred families or a few hundred people together until today that we see today that there is not that much connection between the parents and the children, and all those things are gradually disappearing and becoming weaker. These bonds are becoming weaker as opposed to other ways that people are drawn to each other. We have to understand that people will most likely connect according to the appearance of other qualities, their initial inclination, not their biological connection but their spiritual connection. Where is my man's heart drawing?
S. He continues and then he says that the individual unites with the whole to one body which is the state. Then we feel that there is a different state and then after I am gone the state will continue. Why does the state need me? Why does the nation need me as an individual?
R. You don't feel it from the country because the country is also not corrected . The more we learn and a bit more, you will see how the whole world needs you and how much you can be useful and helpful for the whole world.
24. S. (41:44) What is clear what the biological connection is, but what is a spiritual connection? the way a group of people connects? If they want to take a trip together can that be a basis for spirituality?
R. No, how is that related?
S. How do I define that?
R. I don't know. I think that as it is written in Matan Torah and Arvut articles that we've reached a connection between us in Arvut which is how the Creator set us up in a way and brought us together by revealing in each one a desire similar to the other and thus we connect to a Ten and between the Tens to a greater group around the world and that is what we are going through. Let's hope that through that we will connect ourselves to all of humanity.
S. For us it is clear but I'm asking about people who are not yet learning the wisdom of Kabbalah, how can they know if it interests them? Only if there is an interest in knowing the Creator?
R. No, they don't know if he's not interesting to them they don't know, if I will be interesting for them they would know. It doesn't work from the mind; it works from the emotion when there is an inclination that appears towards something that they want to know about and want to be connected to it. That is how it is.
S. This tendency to be connected to other people, is that a sufficient basis to start with? I have a desire to connect with other people, is that enough for me?
R. It depends on the content with these people. You just don't just connect to a person, you connect with what is inside the person, why are you drawn to them But essentially that's the basis for connection. What is inside that person draws me in that I want to be connected to his internality. That is how it works.
25. S. (44:08) What is instinct in love?
R. Instinctive love is natural love. Instinct means that it is coming from nature without asking myself whether it is good or bad or worthwhile or not.
26. S. (44:31) In our generation, is there still instinctive love in our families? Will it continue?
R. Among children and parents yes of course.
27. S. (44:45) What may help every nation to discover its internal destiny?
R. When we come to the general correction, then we begin to understand these corrections.
28. S. (45:13) In human society are there new degrees like there are in the spiritual world?
R. No, no because there's no correct connection. There's nothing that is similar to spirituality.
29. S. (45:32) If hatred is revealed through contact with the external people how to cover it would love in that case?
R. This is by recognition of evil. That what I hate about the other is only because my ego is broken and necessitates me to relate badly to others and see in the others bad things and show everyone the bad qualities that this ego awakes in me.
30. S. (46:16) What can friends do if they don't have a ten in order to keep on going on the path?
R. You can always be with us but basically try to connect with a ten. Everyone today has tens all over the world in a language they can connect to, so they should connect and find it.
31. S (46:59) Maybe you can summarize the lesson today. We started from Rosh Hashana, and we talked about how a person should be organized. What should we focus on in our thoughts today?
R. Connection. Same word yes but every day it has a different essence. We have to advance towards connection, try to maintain connection as tightly to each other that's possible or connection needs to be aimed as sharply as possible towards the purpose of life, the purpose of creation and that's how we will advance. That's it and all and all we just need to discover in our connection the Creator. That's it. Have a great day everyone.