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Part 2:

Baal HaSulam. Peace in the World (The Four Attributes, Mercy, Truth, Justice, and Peace, in the Individual and in the Collective)

Reading “The four attributes mercy truth justice and peace in the individual and the collective..”

1. R. (02:04) Yes, also we will see how everyone can do their own calculations and see how mercy, truth, justice and peace work within their society, within their country, within the different factions in the country or in humanity. That is really a very interesting thing that's happening in this vortex that we are in day-to-day in the world, and how these four attributes activate us, all of humanity that is. Let’s see.

Reading (02:45) “When we discuss good attributes..” twice

2. R. (04:50) Meaning that both receiving and giving each one towards society, if one does it correctly based on a certain law that exists in nature then clearly we will be organized in a complete way. So, what is the problem then…

Reading continues (05:16)

4. R. (05:18) That each one receives and each one gives based on some formula which is a just formula.

Reading continues (05:31)

5. R. (06:00) Well probably that flaw is our nature; that each one does not want to receive what he must and give what he must. But rather each one is doing some twist here, bending things, wanting to receive more and give less.

Reading continues (06:26)

6. S. (13:20) In this world there are no mistakes and the quality of Truth can be only used at the end of Correction is that true?

R. Yes.

S. And then these corporeal mistakes will only strengthen us?

R. We will see that they all appear in order to learn based on them so that by then we will better understand the truth and the end. If you keep quiet, I'm not going to wait.

7. S. (14:16) I wanted to ask, this article has a very practical nature, do we have to look at it corporeally or does it have a spiritual essence to it because it confuses me?

R. He's tying for you both the corporeal and spiritual work together here that's why it's called Peace in the World. On the one hand peace, which is a correctly functioning balanced system and on the other hand the World, which is completely broken and given to us to correct.

8. S. (15:18) He writes here the practical challenges in determining truth and he says that there is a flaw. What flaw does he talk about?

R. He says that we are all in a desire to receive for ourselves and then we are told that when we have to care for others so as to be in a balanced system, where everyone receives what they deserve and give what they're capable of. So, that there is balance across the pieces of the system that is not according to our nature. That's what he's talking about

S. But he speaks about that there is no truth other than that we have no knowledge of this collective, what is this truth what is he speaking about?

R. Right, right, we have to teach the broad public what truth and balance are in terms of the general nature and of the cosmos.

S. He's basically saying, do dissemination, that's what he's speaking about and then people will know the truth?

R. Yes. The more we talk about the actual truth what nature puts before us then we can better and better understand that we are going in the wrong diraction and we are more and more moving away from truth and that's why we're going to suffer blows and troubles in order to study the balance system of nature

S. And you see that we are advancing in the world?

R. I see that we are advancing through blows.

S. Unfortunately.

R. But we are advancing. Humanity has gradually begun to understand how nature functions; how nature works to balance us, how we have to change ourselves so as to interact correctly with nature, and ultimately how we're going to find the balance.

S. When he says that “everyone will know me from the small to the big”, if I want to know the truth and the technology of Kabbalah, I don't know how you see it?

R. I see that we are gradually learning that these things and the blows that we're going through now are much more directed towards educating us, and we're more and more ready to be educated; we are, because from time to time we see how much we don't understand the laws of nature.

9. S. (18:59) This quality of Truth built on the principle of what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours?

R. Yes.

S. And on the other hand everyone according to his need?

R. Yes.

10. S. (19:27) Baal HaSulam explains why the measure of truth is impossible what can we learn from this?

R. Because we with our mind cannot come to determine the attribute of truth.

S. But these things of determining the truth can it exist in the corporeal world?

R. It will, it will be carried out for sure because the upperworld controls the corporeal world with no problem.

11. S. (20:11) So it comes that according to truth we don't need to change anything.

R. Besides our attitude

S. Because even today we see that the heroes are doing what they need to do the majority.

R. Well, is that correct or not?

S. Yes, It's correct

R. Why is it correct?

S. Because they have more strength.

R. So, they should use their power to rule over everyone?

S. No, not to rule just may be receive it that this is how it is in this way that the heroes are the strong one need to do the work and the rest according to what they can.

R. No, no you are no each and everyone must give according to their ability according to the force they've received from nature how much mind and emotion and the body they've received from nature and they each and every one must give that to all and everyone should share equally.

S. So, this is what I'm saying, this is what's happening today anyway.

R. Where do you see that it's happening today?

S. That the quick and strong are doing whatever they can and the lazy ones are doing whatever they can just the measure is different.

R. And they receive according to how much they give so that's not right.

S. So what has to change for it to be okay?

R. That everyone will feel that they belong to a single system, that's it like it a family you have little kids first of all you think of them and then you have older kids later you think about them. You understand?

S. The relationship has to be  opposite?

R. No it needs to be this kind of relation that the smaller they are the more important they are.

S. So it's as if it has to be upside different where the weak as if the lazy are more important?

R. Yes

12. S. (22:51) What facilitates the adapting and acknowledgement of the altruistic law of nature?

R. What is he saying that it's difficult, what will enable it that we ask that we ask for these altruistic forces to dress in us and allow us to realize.

S. Yes, we are on the path of correction but how will the general public will accept this and convert to it and subdue to this law?

R. Of course they'll be able to do it if they see that they are facing either blows or good life, what will they choose the good life.

13. S. (23:58) Even the weakest one he will always justify the strong because he knows it is his nature, how can we still come out of this nature to have a normal life?

R. It will happen for a lack of any other choice it will happen because the general law of nature is upper Justice and therefore it will govern everyone.

S. So it's something that will come only from above not from..?

R. Of course.

14. S. (24:49) First of all in the previous title  Baal HaSulam writes that we should take the law of development under our rule and governance, how do we do it?

R. That we transfer the justice that is in the Heavens to the Justice on the land.

S. The justice and truth exists under the relationship that we give him.

R. What do you mean we?

S. The attitude that we give we give a certain relationship towards reality and this relation, this attitude determines the justice that we see.

R. No, that's never possible, you're going have to accept the law of the upper nature, that law you'll have to determine that between you, between all people.

S. So Baal HaSulam speaks to me from the system towards me, how am I supposed to proceed with this article?

R. We will continue and you will see we kind of stopped in the middle here even less than middle of it.

S. The deficiency that he writes that the measure of deficiency because it comes from me and it's not the absolute truth?

R. Yes.

15. S. (26:32) It seems that the idea is that Baal HaSulam described was when Humanity was under a smaller ego so it's easier to realize these ideas and I understand that Humanity was under such a experiment, what is the benefit of such a large wide circle to come back to these principles?

R. Our ego keeps growing and growing the will to receive is growing and therefore it's increasingly harder for us to adapt ourselves to our corporeal system, and that's our whole work that we exist in a world where the corporeal system appears the egotistic system and we have to change that system into a correct altruistic spiritual system.

S. And why would these ideas born when the ego is small and now we are light years away from them and it seems impossible in a complete lie?

R. It's possible that we can see that it's a complete false and it's very good otherwise we won’t see.

S. Why?

R. Because if its a small lie you cannot see.

S. So, what is the addition that we need to add in order to bridge this wide gap between us and ideas of Baal HaSulam?

R. We together can skip over this abyss and begin to position their realtionship between us according to spiritual laws.

S. What was missing meaning as if when there was a smaller ego and we are closer to these ideas, what was missing there?

R. What was missing there was recognition of evil.

S. Why is it so critical the revelation of evil?

R. Because without it I cannot correct anything, only to the extent of recognition of evil that I'm incompatible with the true system then for lack of a better choice I go and I correct myself.

16. S. (25:53) There was two principles, one by the other one taking over the other and you said that in the transition to altruistism we’ll have to engage in the education of the public. It seems like the public is losing its patience because the enlargement of the ego, so does it mean that humanity is doomed to suffer?

R. No it will learn but not how it the way thinks, it is going to have absorbed some blows and these blows will position them opposite the problems that must be solve otherwise they will keep suffering blows. That's it, that's what we are seeing.

17. S. (30:03) This truth I'm not grasping it, can you give us an example of the corporeal concept that works?

R. We don't have such examples, not yet.

S. Did animal nature works that way?

R. The animalistic nature is instinctive it has no decision-making there is no has no other options. It works by instinct by inner commands.

S. How can we better understand what is this truth?

R. This truth is that we have to transcend rise above our will to receive in order to bestow.

S. Then what will happen once we do this uplifting and do little bit more in order to bestow then we will just care for those who need to care for, we need to care?

R. We will change the system, we will make a correction in the system, we will put into the system new data, love thy friends as thyself.

S. Then what will change between the parts and what will happen?

R. The relationship between pieces: how do we take them in order to tie them together, we get there in a bit.

18. S. (31:45) He speaks about the challenge and realization and the measure of the quality of truth and it seems that people who the light have has acting upon them acting right and those who the light has not change them they are egoist and they can’t act according to the right part, So what is the realization and the measurement?

R. We are not yet in a state where we can already actualize that's why we cannot see it.

S. Why is it speaking about all the difficulties if it's clear that can be realized.

R. We are not saying that it's impossible, we are saying that these things are not fully scrutinized yet.

S. Why should all these details about the psychological part and how many people, how many hours people work?

R. Yes, in order for us to see that we cannot make the right calculation.

S. Okay, so in the end the change has to happen inside.

R. The change must happen because we can never compare the efforts that one gives as opposed to the other and therefore no one is going to be right no ones is going to be equal to others unless we connect through bonds of love. If I connect that to bonds of love than the more I give to others the more this is considered as reception for me not bestowal.

S. So it is on our dissemination it is well clear that the world is screwed and they don't know what to do so from here onwards how does the world need to exist?

R. After we acquire an attitude of bestowal, a good relationship with each other then the whole issue of the calculations who is giving and who is receiving disappears, it disappears. Simple, there is no such calculation, calculation is that each one gives as much as they can based on their ability. Because that's what the nature of bestowal compels him to do.

S. In us these 8 billion years who are born on created in opposite nature and suddenly acquired this form of love and bestow.

R. Just like our current nature forces us to each think of ourselves thus nature will also force us to each think of the others.

S. So that nature can do now if the Creator wants?

R. No, but there's no agreement and decision on our part for that.

S. Right, so I'm asking what change has to happen in these 8 billion years in people?

R. That they would want that to happen.

S. So what would we want from?

R. We will want because of the recognition of evil due to our current nature.

S. It seems that the recognition of evil and the mind at least is very clear, what else?

R. Now it's not that the state is bad is the recognition of our evil nature and not Just that things are bad because of the cost of living is soaring and other things that's not what it's all about.

S. So each of the 8 billion people has to come to the conclusion that everything is bad because of me?

R. To the extent that they even participate in the human society and decisions, yes.

19. S. (35:47) You say that the blows that we are going through right now are more to align us and we need to be more prepared and ready to be educated. So what do you see the preparation and readiness to be educated?

R. I do not, I do not think that humanity is ready to be educated but it understands that is in a state where there's no solution to the mounting problems facing us. And that already to some extent it's a current recognition of evil of the state we are in right now and therefore there is hope that we relatively quickly and easily achieve the next state where were willing to take upon ourselves a new style and new kind of system.

S. What blows act most on humanity hastening it towards its correction?

R. I think it will be climate problems, food, crisis, lack of peace, peaceful state and so on.

S. Recognition of evil is a prolonged process and needs to contain itself in a lot of details?

R. I don't think it's going to be a prolonged kind of situation because a person can feel very bad very quickly.

S. How much of that evil does humanity needs to feel in order to awaken?

R. That is hard to say. I think there's a part of humanity that is more knowledgeable and more understanding and more doing things and there's a part of that is more passive and we have to take both into account.

20. S. (38:15) What in essence does it mean the recognition of evil?

R. Recognition of our ego that we cannot attain anything good because of it we have to correct it we have to transform it to altruistism.

S. But let's say we have many issues here of all types, psychological, financial, military, all sorts of problems. What does a person need to understand at the end that he is guilty of anything that his nature is not okay, I am talking about the masses?

R. Of course you have to understand, what, how to correct your nature. how to correct your nature.

S. If the person is in pain he is hurting he's facing a big challenge or a problem in his personal life. All the challenges that are facing in the world but as a result we are not seeing the recognition of evil, so what does a person understand as a result of all this or what does he need to understand?

R. We do not know, I think we are not quite understand what process we need to go to receive correction. By having a bad or having a good let's say Covid, you know, people got used to sitting at home, we developed such a system of communication between us that developed other system's closed and so many things that it made a correction in the world and something a change in the world.

We won't call it a correction but it happened, what exactly we don't understand, that reveals over many years. So it’s, we cannot say about something that is happening now it talks about 20, 30 years at least then we can tell that because of that Covid something change in the work and transportation and all sorts of things and then the world has changed and changed a lot to me it seems that these illness did a lot of changes.

21. S. (45:03) It turns out that now the broad public creates some more primitive contents, people moved away from culture from religion, it's like a primitive stuff, it seems like we are moving closer to being animals. How can such masses of people understand these things that it seems that Baal HaSulam wrote for a developed humanity and we are deteriorating?

R. We have to understand ourselves and our nature really, so it's good that we go down to such a state so we see how much we are like animals. How much we are like animals and it's true, how come we're thinking about ourselves that we are human according to the wisdom of Kabbalah we are at the level of still, vegetative and animate because human levels is state of being cling to the Creator, so let's correct or sight or vision.

22. S. (46:24) I can not seems to solve a certain problem, first of all let me ask this is it’s correct

R. Maybe you ask in Russian?

S. I can not really ask in English, Is it true that every situation in life is what I feel towards the surrounding light?

R. Yes.

S. When you get to feel how upset you are and it’s recognition of evil you wish to pray to ask for correction. How to ask so that is through the friends?

R. Ask, I can not say.

23. S. (48:06) Following what we all that we discussed you also said that there is always this doubt in this times we're going through as we are going through correction that we will come from Lo Lishma to Lishma to get to the final correction or that only a handful few will get there. You also say that gradually people now understand what’s happening in human nature but it seems like more religions are now being formed following the situation more dogma. So how can we say that we want to achieve the Devekut, the adhesion? How can we make sure that we are drawn to adhesion, not other methods?

R. We need to give our method that does not related to religion, it talks about connection between people above our nature of the still vegetative and animate. We need to explain that the nature of a man, Adam is resembling the Creator, it exists in order to bestow where we are up lifted raise above our ego on this we need to explain to humanity and give to humanity each time an example how much we if we don't advance to become a human. Meaning, towards bestowal then we get blows and suffering and this is what we need to explain week in and week out.

24. S. (50:15) In the previous article we’ve learned that the whole in the 10 or in the Society shouldn't cancel each other because they have the same values and if we take these we learn about it truth that we have to bring 8 billion people to this consciousness, it is impossible but what prevents us to from bringing the world to the end of correction if we unite the ten where does it come together there's still a difference?

R. It is not our business, it is not our concern and why do you go into that you have work in the 10 and a little dissemination that you are able to go around the ten and that's it. Why are you concerned about the world and all those things that you are confused about a million times leave it alone. Attend to what you have in front of you.

25. S. (51:26) When we disseminate that are many doubts about wether people will listen to us or there are ready to connect and what kind of deficiencies we will used to connect them how we will give them benefit, what's the right attitude when we have these doubt?

R. We need to continue on the way to connection and to understand that through leaning towards connection we will attract the light that reforms and he corrects us and he and the end is the end that does the good change over all of humanity. That's it.

26. S. (52:42) How can we continue to agree to leave in the condition on laws of this broken world?

R. We agree we draw, we don't want any change for the better because better means that I care for others and that I don't want.

S. So why should a person do if he's not willing to keep living like that?

R. We need to come to a state where we only have two: one to live or one to die according to the laws of the upper nature.

27. S. (53:34) You said that the degree of Adam, human is the quality of bestowal, why is it so difficult for a person who studies the wisdom of Kabbalah to define where he is?

R. He doesn't have yet any spiritual scrutinies, you are driving on a certain road and there is no map in front of you, there is no lights or anything so how would you know where you are going? And there is a problem here, we need to tie ourselves to the material of the world and learn through which actions do we turn left and right, continue straight and so on. Then we will know where we are and how do we advance.

28. S. (55:00) Is in every person in a natural way one of the attributes appears more than the others?

R. Yes, sometimes it happens that way.

29. S. (55:20) It turns out from the article that the Creator created the world in a way where the truth is hidden and what's open and revealed is all false and inaccurate, so why is man demanded to work according to the attribute of truth?

R. A person has to reach that not only he acts according to that to truth but he corrects the whole of reality according to the measure of truth.

S. If we cannot determine truth?

R. We can come, we can because the Creator does it to us and to the measure that we do want.

30. S. (56:18) What is each one obligated to receive from society to work correctly according to bestowal?

R. What will each act in bestowal when he cares for others in the world and then he will feel that he is in adhesion with the Creator.

S. When that happens what will everyone receive? Will all receive equally?

R. Everyone will get the feeling of the Creator that they are included in him in the Creator because they are concerned for everyone.

31. S. (57:02) The attribute of truth is it the response to our work that transitions from Lo Lishma to Lishma?

R. Yes.

32. S. (57:17) From our experience will we be able to help the world hasten time?

R. Also true, yes.

33. S. (57:27) What to do if I can’t seem to realize my part in the system?

R. This is how you feel for you to be able to more and more be included in the system.

34. S. (57:42) A question about a Ten meeting that I heard that a weekly Ten meeting is a must, does it matter if it is physical or virtual? How is that different from all of the workshops we do daily?

R. I'm not sure, what is the difference between workshops and a weekly meeting or gathering?

S. You mentioned in the previous part that the weekly meeting is a must.

R. Yes, but the daily meeting that you do. I am not sure what you're doing there.

S. Workshop is listening to excerpts?

R. So it is a study and the weekly meeting between us has structure on our coming close to one another. together that we want to connect together. It is a meeting of friends and a most important meeting than all meetings.

Reading (59:15) “The reason for this is that the nature of every branch is close to its root. Because man's soul extends from the …”

35. S. (01:00:48) Are we approaching peace in the world as Baal HaSulam said and is it up to us or am I the only one who needs to be corrected?

R. No, the entire world needs correction and I cannot correct myself if I don't see the uncorrected world. It exists in a mutual way because what I see in myself, we learn this in the perception of reality, is perceived in my qualities. If my qualities are not corrected it appears to me that the world is uncorrected because I am uncorrected.

Reading (01:01:56) “This law can be called the law of singularity in man's Heart…"

36. S. (01:04:08) Meaning, there's no person in the world, wise, foolish, strong or weak, angry or calm, it doesn't matter in the form that he exists that he can agree with the law of creation that everyone is equal, everyone is connected, everyone bestowed to anyone another and that there is not difference between them and it’s all as one man in one heart. This cannot be executed. We are not ready for this, we are not prepared for this and we are completely opposite from what nature, Elokim in Gematria is nature, Teva, demands of us. What will be? We will continue, for now we cannot say anything.

37. S. (01:05:18) A few paragraphs ago he called the truth that each one gives according to his ability and receives according to his needs in the system and that everyone works that way and now he says that they complete truth is that each one is an egoist and thinks only about himself exploiting the others as much as they can. So this is truth and this is truth.

R. Our corporeal truth is that each wants to use the others for his own benefit and the truth that is supposedly spiritual is that everyone is in a good connection and balance with everyone, only we do not see, we don't know how we can reach, how we can approach from one law to the other.

S. So why is there such a gap and how can you even start dreaming of bridging that gap?

R. I don't know, we're going to read maybe there's a few more pages before we finish the article and then we will understand what he means, what solutions he gives us.

Reading (01:07:01) “In the Absence of the ability to establish the attribute of truth,..”

38. R. (01:11:27) Okay, so we are going to finish here and we will continue it in the next lesson and we will see where it takes us. It is recommended to delve deeper into this article because we are in humanity, at our time, going through a very, very typical cycle to what he writes that the Creator prepared for us and that's it.

39. S. (01:11:59) We will probably read it during the day in the tens and I saw that as I was reading I was thinking about who the constructors and the destructors are and it flipped for me like four times while I was reading. So what do I hold on to? What point is important to relate to, how to do it correctly?

R. I don't know. I wish for you to research and everyone as well and good luck.