Morning Lesson October 29, 2022, Transcription
Transcription is made from simultaneous translation which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio
Part 1:
Rabash. Article 15, 1984. Can Something Negative Come Down from Above (start from the beginning of the article)
Reading Article (00:29)
1. Rav’s Introduction: (23:41) What a special article right? We see how great Rabash is, how much he understands and accepts these manners in a whole way. Actually he wrote this to us at the beginning of our path in 1984. I do not think anybody back then understood what he was writing but today we can already study and work on this article and divide it into sections and give some headlines for subheadings for these sections and in such a way at least to approach it and mark are path based on what he is writing looking at the question I see that something is happening here.
2. S. (27:12) The excerpt, the part that starts with 'we have no other choice a person can acquire spirituality since it depends on his faith that is the person must first believe that there is spirituality and it is more important than all corporeal pleasures to the extent it is worthwhile to relinquish corporeal pleasures in order to obtain spiritual pleasures'. What kind of faith does he mean here of believing? What can we believe that spirituality exists?
R. Faith is the degree of Hassadim the degree of Bina that a person needs to attain and by that he is on the degree of bestowal simply he is willing to bestow.
S. I apologize but for me it is a problem.
R. It is not a problem for you, it is a problem for everybody, and this is why it is difficult to answer because I would just confuse people. You are not asking directly following the article but just relating to a small piece of it, so I do not know how to respond.
S. We have to advance from the beginning of the article but from where will I take this faith that he's talking about? What is this thing because here as far as I can understand it, there is this certain force and there is also Lishma and that also is a part of bestowal, so what is faith? What does it believe?
R. Faith means force of bestowal that resides in the person that allows him and makes him willing to work for himself but he is still not ready to bestow to others, if he also begins to bestow to other than it is called complete faith. Two degrees here.
S. I still don't understand it is not clear. First we have to believe that spirituality exists, he writes, if you can simply for the person who is the furthest away giving him a hint on how to implement this in the Ten, that there is spirituality.
R. You have to make such actions as though you have faith as though you see that it is so.
3. S. (28:46) There are a few things that I would like to ask because I am confused about the concepts in the article. I did not understand that it says here that we cannot obtain Lishma because it is the truth, but Lishma is falsehood, but it is something we have to reach. Why is it called a lie?
R. We have to reach both the degree of Lo Lishma which is of course all built on the will to receive and it will be clear to us that the only work from within the will to receive and in respect to that, we have to reach the degree of Lishma where the only work for the will to bestow which is on top of the will to receive and these two degrees we have to go through.
4. S. (30:08) I do not see truly that all of my desires can reach Lishma. Maybe 10 or 20% can reach it. How can 100% reach it?
R. I don't even know what 1% of Lishma is so therefore I have nothing to say about it. If the light comes from above and gives me the quality of Lishma then it gives me one percent of it, one hundred of it I depend on the force that comes from above then I'm only expecting that.
S. This feeling that the person has about having ten or twenty percent of Lishma is that a lie? Where does a person get that? How do we correct that?
R. I do not understand you today, you are asking questions that are completely unrealistic again repeat the question.
S. It seems to me, this is how I feel, that all of the one hundred percent of my desires there is a part of them that perhaps is already in order to bestow, I do not know if this is true or false, but I cannot imagine to myself if all of my desires are in order?
R. Okay, so you cannot believe that it is possible, but the upper light comes and changes you. You will want to be able to work in order to bestow, it all depends not on you but on the upper light.
S. This will happen immediately or gradually?
R. You don't need to work according to what is written. In the meantime you are fantasizing about the things that are far away from us.
5. S. (32:22) Until we reach the revelation of the face we are in Lo Lishma we are in falsehood, I want to bestow but more than that I want the revelation of the face that is my deficiency is this a correct deficiency or not?
R. What is awakened in you is correct. You have to activate it and see whether it is ok or not to inspect each and every desire and sort out your desires.
6. S. (33:12) If you can explain the desire that we do not reach Lishma until we get all of it?
R. I do not understand.
S. Is the spiritual will to receive is it that we want to receive in order to bestow to others or we just want to bestow to others?
R. I still don't understand the question.
S. In the text he explains that we have half of the will to receive now in the physical world but when we go to the spiritual world will we receive the fifty percent of the will to receive that we do not have yet, wait until this desire to receive that we will receive in spirituality?
R. When we get there we will see what it is. Why ask about it now? That is not what the questions are about. We go through the degrees and each and every degree a greater and greater will to receive opens up to us and we process it in order to bestow and thus we rise in the degrees. This is basically the process. Now what kind of desires awaken and arise in us that we already need to practically discover.
7. S. (35:26) These four stages or discernments that Rabash elaborates on, to receive in order to receive, to bestow in order, to receive to bestow and to bestow in order to bestow we go through it in general or on each and every degree with go through it.
R. Meaning in each and every degree whether we each degree also includes each and every degree is that what you are asking.
S. Yes.
R. No, I don't think we can specify that. Even though we do include on each degree to include the other that we cannot discern that in our vessels it is build that way, but we cannot differentiate them in our vessels.
S. In addition, what is interesting is that he writes here how we can understand it nevertheless we reach Lishma he writes that there is a testimony about it from the side of the Creator the revelation of the face and there is a testimony from the Creator. There is a clear sign for a person that you are working above reason which is the basis for our work, what kind of testimony can it be here? Seemingly they are bringing you back to reason if they are revealing you this testimony?
R. No also the knowledge appears or the reason appears and it does not hinder your faith, it does not feel and have faith and you know, and one does not hinder the other because you acquired this degree and it is yours. You are already in a force of bestowal which first and foremost covers this degree for you and then you in the force of bestowal you discover both the forces of faith and reception everything included. All in all our wisdom is called the wisdom of reception, the wisdom of Kabbalah. How do we receive everything?
S. Then you are truly succeeding in bestowing to the Creator you are bestowing to Him you are giving to the Creator
R. Yes, through the friends you pass it onto the Creator. The Creator is the sum total, the totality of everyone and everybody and you can pass through everyone towards Him.
S. To clarify, it was said that the revelation of the faith gives a person the same confidence that we do not fall again. What kind of confidence is this?
R. A special light shines on a person and then he can no longer be mistaken. He has that force with which to bestow ve to others, this is called that he who knows all mysteries knows that he will no longer be mistaken and will not sin.
8. S. (39:38) Following up on the previous question we say that there always has to be some motivation for the person and in Lo Lishma our energy is the greatness of the Creator but in Lishma it is also the greatness of the Creator. The difference between these two kinds of greatness and not Lishma and Lo Lishma is not clear, why is it so different that they are completely new and different degrees?
R. In Lo Lishma it is for the person for the direction of the person and in Lishma it's already in the direction of the Creator in the direction of creation.
9. S. (40:41) The previous answer you said to the friend that friends are the springboard ?
R. Yes.
S. How do we know that we are at the entrance to Lo Lishma ?
R. As much as we can think about the friends more and about the Creator more and not about ourselves, we are more at the entrance to Lishma. These things are clear. I think.
10. S. (41:34) When we acquire our egoism in the work, how can we guard the boundaries so as to not receive?
R. Why do you want to bribe your ego? You do not have to bribe we need to strike it in the teeth.
S. It does not come so easy.
R. But I am telling you what you need to do and not how it actually happens.
11. S. (42:14) How does a person clarify that he is doing actions for the sake of heaven or for our own benefit?
R. In respect to the group.
S. It also says that there are some who work in the false and they increase the lie the falsehood but it pushes them to the truth, how does that work?
R. There are such states, these states, and those states?
S. How does a person know that as he bestows to the friends in the group that he is not living falsehood?
R. If he becomes incorporated with the friends and goes along according to the desires of the friends then he is distancing himself from the falsehood because the entire falsehood exists in him.
12 .S. (43:18) Lo Lishma is possible to raise it to a higher state to appreciate that it means to work for the friends and think about them and care for them and Lishma is when you no longer want anything, there is some burning and the Creator is gave you the privilege to advance again that we do not need to get stuck on for Lo Lishma and the actually in the burdening then except Lishma is a new opportunity.
R. Let it be this way if it can change later.
13. S. (44:20) The Kabbalists from hostile countries but the Kabbalists are stronger than the egoistic masses can we bestow and influence in such a way that we win against the whole story and stop this war.
R. I do not think that now we truly have to connect the groups of Russians and Ukraine because nevertheless it could be that it will cause all kinds of malfunctions and problems in our systems and also in the two countries in Russia and Ukraine. We simply need to pray in our hearts that as much as possible we would be able to influence those forces of war and turn them into the forces of connection and peace. That is all. It is not that we need to specifically write nice and good things from one group to the other because we still have between us political systems and all kinds of people and also large organizations that are against the wisdom of Kabbalah. We do not want to give them any opportunity to publicize to us that we seemingly are against the guidelines of the governments of Russia or Ukraine. Therefore, we just have to do these things in our hearts. To try to bring closer, our nations together, so that we will feel that we do not need any war. That's it, for the time being I do not want to say anymore. I hope that soon it will change, the state, the situation will change.
14 S. (47:14) In the middle of the article he talks about phase two of the second discernment of bestowing in order to receive and then he says and what it means to the body and that by doing this action we have a greater pleasure afterwards. This inner dialogue, what is it? Who am I talking to? When I sort it out it seems like a very important degree that I have to recruit my whole body for this endeavor
R. You are talking to yourself. Within you, you have to discover the upper forces and lower forces and your friends and depict them inside of yourself and then between all of these forces which you recruit, you do all of this work with them. It is worthwhile to carry this out for each and every one because through such actions we constantly change ourselves. We reach a state where we discover that we have within us these four stages, these four discernments, receiving in order to receive, bestowing in order to receive, bestowing in order to bestow, receiving in order bestow all of these thing we discover item inside of us inside each and every one of us and then later on we see how we can combine them together in order to reach a single vessel. We have to work with that.
S. Maybe you can give us a small advice on how to start this process to talk about?
R. Start to search together, together, the example is a simple one to put in the effort together.
15. S. (49:36) In the article there is the example of the doctor and the professor and the stages of our development, in which of the stages do we turn to this professor to hear the accurate diagnosis?
R. These are two degrees seemingly; when I give thanks to the doctor who told me what illness I have, however, I need to make sure that it is true and how do I heal myself and then I turn to the professor. It happens to us along the way.
16. S. (50:34) If we can say simply that our will to receive does not care about receiving in order to receive or in order for itself but if we block any self-reception from it then one way or another then are already bestowing?
R. No it doesn't work in such a simple way that if I do not want to receive, I already shift to bestowing. No
S. Of course through the labor and so on
R. No it is only through the reforming light . Only through the reforming light .
17. S. (51:24) It tells us here that if I receive a spiritual desire to receive then I have the complete will to receive. What does it mean to finish with the complete will to receive?
R. Then there is nothing more to use it.
S. Using what ?
R. The will to receive.
S. On the other hand he says that spiritual desire is dangerous. What does it mean that it is dangerous?
R. I don't know. What does it say that it is in the place of danger? What kind of desire are you talking about exactly?
S. I am asking a simple question, when he says that I received the desire to receive that is spiritual. When I study the wisdom of Kabbalah he said that I received a spiritual thing that I have to receive and now I complete the desire to receive entirely. What does it mean?
R. I do not know. In which will to receive are you in the wisdom of Kabbalah? The will to receive in order to receive? This is what we start with. They explain to you that when you are in the will to receive for oneself the person cannot progress because you are enclosed within yourself, if you want to feel that true reality then you have to change your desire which is your whole nature so it would be not in order to receive inside within the desire but a little bit outside of it. A little bit outside of it means bestowing in order to receive, when you are bestowing in order to receive. Nevertheless it means that you already begin to connect with people outside of you in your group, you are giving to them however your intention is still egoistic to receive out of it. Usually on this degree, there are many people who are willing to give and give charity and arrange and connect with people but what for?
In order to expand their realm of reception. They think that in such a way they already reached the feeling of the Creator. It is written from the love of the people to the love of the Creator. Now when they see that they are not capable in such a way it becomes more clear to them how it needs to be that they're giving should we not in order to receive but also in order to bestow. That second degree which is bestowal in order to receive becomes bestowing in order to bestow Bina and this is how they begin to work. In this work to this degree, in the state, they do not feel themselves because it is all bestowed in order to bestow which is outside of the will to receive. After that they are already in the state. They feel this state rather than out of that they can reach and this is already through the reforming light truly from above and they become receiving in order to bestow. Meaning what they give out of that is they can receive in order to bestow in order to bestow they receive
S. Why does he say that through the reforming light that are step-by-step we come to in order to receive in order to give so why does he say that if I am in a spiritual desire to receive I am in the place of danger because I might be able to correct if I do not correct anything so I asked the Creator to correct so why is there a danger still here?
R. I don't know. We don't get to this place and we will see what is the danger that why should we ask when we are not and not yet in that place
18. S. (56:13) What is the springboard between false and truth?
R. The trampoline?
S. Yes, so Lishma is the truth and Lo Lishma is a lie and we need an intermediate degree which is called the springboard between false and truth and this is the intermediary between the false and the truth.
R. It should be clear that you know, that to reach Lishma we have to reach the truthful Lo Lishma and see how much it is a lie and from that lie we can jump into the truthful Lo Lishma which is the truth. These degrees are still very far from us so it is not that we can jump already from one state to the other. We still did not get to know what our degree is; receiving in order to receive, that all of our action is only in order to receive for ourselves completely and we have no possibility to run away from that. We haven't yet reached the recognition of this first-degree for us to ask and pray and beg to the Creator that he would save us truthfully reaching that degree of Egypt.
S. You said before that I received from so I need to receive something from the group is still receiving in order to receive?
R. Don't jump so far ahead, don't think that we just simply go through these degrees quickly. We have to, within each and every degree we have to stand in those degrees and work hard in all of them.
19. S. (58:42) You mentioned that in order to know that the person is in the state of Lishma he needs to know what is this state of reward and punishment?
R. Reward and punishment is that the person knows what is reward and punishment for him so he can change what is reward for him before he does not want to receive it anymore. That we constantly change these concepts of reward and punishment.
20. S. (59:54) Not long ago between Kyiv groups there was a desire to connect to the Ukrainian groups, so we opened a… You said more than once that we don't need to engage in connection between the tens until we have a sufficient connection inside our ten. So is this truly correct to our situation that our vessels of Russia and Ukraine cannot connect until they connect internally?
R. This is true. Regarding connection inside the country I do relate first to that, to an internal connection within my group and also in regard to connection between the Russian and the Ukrainian groups I cannot say that I'm blessing this happy with this because we might be mixing it external forces and maybe some friends from certain groups who have certain extreme opinions. You can't tell how it will manifest. We shouldn't mix the corporeal with the spiritual. If for sure we will act in the direction of connection and unity between us then we should do it but nevertheless if it's between these specific countries then I am afraid because here I am concerned about all kinds of hostile people, hostile factors.
21. S. (01:02:16) Can we say that the four categories are the four qualities of our intention
R. Yes.
22 S. (01:02:45) What are the desires that need to be corrected?
R. Beside the last one: receiving in order to receive, bestowing in order to receive, bestowing in order to bestow, and then receiving in order to bestow. Besides the receiving in order to bestow all of the others need to be corrected. So in order to bestow, we need to correct it all the way to the end. That all of these desires that are only the first degree will be in order to bestow and then that's it, we don't have anything else to do, we reach the state where everything is corrected.
23.S. (01:03:35) How to believe that you're in the right direction towards the truth when you're always in the false?
R. Only by holding on to the group. Baal HaSulam explains to us about where to sit in a boat. When I depend on all of my friends that together we hold the boat.
24. S. (01:04:11) The article talks about how nothing negative comes from above, why don’t we see everything positive is important to me?
R. There are no negative things that operate on us in general there are none, but we are not ready to use them in the right way this is why we receive and feel them as negative.
25. S. (01:04:40) Is the right attitude to any state changing us for the better?
R. Yes, each and every state I should see as coming to me for the better.
26. S. (01:04:54) What is the Springboard to Lishma?
R. The springboard to Lishma is Lo Lishma and I need to know it in such a way that I can't stay in it.
27. S. (01:05:15) You have explained that we need to sort out the desires. What does it mean?
R. To sort out or to scrutinize the desires? I'm not sure what I've said about it but in order to scrutinize the desire is to organize them. I'm not sure what this is about. Either according to the height, to the magnet, to the character or is it according and direction to the group, I'm not sure it's not clear to me.
28. S. (01:05:56) In every degree there is a greater burden on the heart, how do we know from the darkness that he is the greatest?
R. Only by being connected to the group and as much as we can make a movement towards connection in the group, that is considered advancement. Then I can understand that outside the group I cannot understand what is happening, our relation to the Creator is also not clear. Only between us can we determine that we are in a greater connection.
29. S. (01:06:49) What causes our desire to labor in a fulfillment that will help us come outside of the desire, how to convince ourselves?
R. Importance. If I assume that the importance of the group is greater than myself then I will realize that I'm depending on it and I realize that it is the result of it.
30. S. (01:07:21) How can I understand that I'm included in the friend's desire, or am I imagining it?
R. Try to disconnect yourself from the group and you will see how much you are truly torn apart, disconnected from anything spiritual. Then you will see how much to be connected to the group is necessary.
31. S. (01:08:03) When I understand that all I can do is receive then there is a shame that appears in prayer but how can I know that this is the truth?
R. Only through connection with the friends, all your questions you can, I see that you can truly scrutinize from inside of the group, in the society. The problem is that you are not yet working with your connection as a group, as a society. Everything falls into place there and also you will be able to continue onwards. Because otherwise you are not advancing.
32. S. (01:08:47) What is falsehood and where is it coming from?
R. A lie, falsehood is from the Creator’s desire that will accustom you to the truth. The Creator will awaken you to realize that this is a lie and when you wake up you realize that this is a lie and that brings you through the mistakes and then you would want to run away from it and reach the truth. But again it's on the condition that you must be connected. The most important is nevertheless connection, connection, and connection more and more and more, otherwise another day goes by another day goes by and there is no benefit. We are together before a congress and I hope that even before the congress you have to be strongly connected between you in order to show the whole world what is the women's power. It is very important to the whole of humanity.
33. S. (01:10:33) Is misunderstanding the text, can it harm the world Kli?
R. Yes. Because we are operating according to the text and when we read we want to understand and to feel, this is how it is. The most important is to try to connect between us so that we will be as one man in one heart, or one woman out of all the parts of women that we have around the world and that we reach this force, we will be able to start to work because indeed the women force when it comes together it becomes great and a leading force. The leading force in the end and especially at the end of correction. The force of the woman will grow more and more, and it will start to lead the entire process of correction because the woman is Malchut, the woman is what we have to correct. And all of the corrections that were transpired through the process of years through the male force, but we are coming closer to a state that the female force will become the dominant one. Thank you to the women and again you can ask whenever you want and whatever you want. There is no problem with that. I relate to your force the same as I do to the force of the men at least.
34. S. (01:12:56) It's not a question I just want to say that the afternoon lesson for today after answering the women's question will be about the woman all the way to the end of the correction but there will be room to elaborate about what you started now.
R. Maybe we should let the man what's yesterday's conversation or what the head the conversation with the women.
S. Yes it will go up for not doing the lesson but yes.
R. Yes whatever you want the most important for the men to hear it and be incorporated in it
S. Yes, we will spread it to all the known channels.
35. S. (01:14:10) You said that we first need to obtain the in order to receive so will know what's true reception and also Rabash writes about this state where you have to receive the spiritual desire to receive where the work begins, where do I bring in this work that I change the intention from myself love to the benefit of the creator. How do I?
R. You go through all four degrees. First of all, to receive in order to receive. That’s clear. Yes? Then from bestow in order to receive onwards, you start to feel the gap between bestowing and receiving and how each works upon each other where you can be rewarded from receiving in order to bestow to yourself or to the benefit of the group or benefit the Creator.
S. To that point exactly, you do the work and you reach a state where you see it was better to completely annul because you are always going to steal your will to receive.
R. It is not important how much I steal and how much not. The main thing is for me to [missing translation] I’m these main forces, bestowing and receiving and then in two of them I can govern myself.
S. This governing is what I want to speak about, how do I do that? Either the group bestows upon me or the world influences me.
R. That is your exact regulation. That's the calculation for the benefit of who am I working for? Are you working for the benefit of bestowal and then you'll discover that it is the benefit of reception, so you regret and then once more you move to bestowal and this way you advance.
S. There is the state where you feel that the body resists, you cannot move but you have something else that really yearns and is very happy with the work and really wants the work, to do the work. Where do I determine or how do me, man how do I determine the work?
R. By you above your decision above your desire after you see what you want to do, you raise yourself to the form of bestowal that is higher which is even more higher and more exalted. Let's say that you connect even more to the friends, you nullify yourself even more before them.
S. I can only see it as the place where I begin investing in the Ten again, is that again is that exit? Is that my determination?
R. Yes, for the time being, yes.
36. S. (01:17:30) You started speaking about the women's congress, the women's force in the meal yesterday and you also said how their forces are in the world, and you also said that it is really the way of nature. This huge force that is breaking through and taking everyone to correction. My question is how should the men relate to the women's role as the means to reach Lishma?
R. I think it is very important. Day after day the woman power grows because until the male force will be stabilized, the female force would not be either. Now that the male force is more or less organized, the female force is getting organized really well . I think that specifically this is what we will see in the near period of time, we will also see all around the world thousands of years of existence, women sitting at home, women that settle the home, women who are called home. There is no other place but the home, giving birth to children, and taking care of the food etc. Now she has expanded more and more in all her engagements and begins to come to degrees more and more of management.
Management of countries. Look at what's happening, how much we agree and to what extent women are true organizers, the ones that decide and rule. It's a wonder at what pace this is happening. Specifically in the Western countries. We see that in eastern countries. Eastern countries meaning Russia, Eastern Europe etcetera but there is not so much of that happening there they're still crying out for equality etc. but really we see that England, France, and Germany all the developed countries, strong countries, are actually wanting and are willing to advance women and it will be this way and will continue to be this way more and more. It's a period in which there is the control of women.
S. What is the role of women on the path to Lishma?
R. The role of the woman is to advance in carrying out Lishma.
S. How should the men work with this force of the woman? I mean the men here in Bnei Baruch, not the world.
R. Support and help with this as much as possible. Meaning we need to arrange the women and organize them. As a woman she will begin to manage more and more our global home and we will have to help them with everything.,
S. Where is the cooperation between men and women at this point or each one in his own area?
R. Where men help the women. As it is written here says "where what your wife Sarah says, as it is written in the Torah, the Creator says this to Abraham.
S. What is the women's focus? What is the difference until now?
R. In our world women never manage. They were never the ruler or the head. Until lately when she began to go out and define and determine her desire, her observation of the world, her vision and I think It will grow at a great pace.
37. S. (01:22:45) We have a lot of couples in the BB family, how can we use families that study together the men and the women?
R. In every place we have to raise up the role of the women.
S. How can we as men help the women?
R. You as men need to help the women become more active. Like in the home we see that if the woman takes care of arranging the home then we see that within an hour everything is sorted out but if the man starts to organize the house in a few hours you still have to clean up after him. You'll see that there is the order of the world, the order of the Kli, all the orders of all organizations are closer to the character of the woman, and she will do this in the best possible way. Let women have the possibility and therefore I have talked to the women yesterday and I think that this is what we need to do. To give more and more room for the role of the woman in our Kli, with the fact that they are very busy with the home and children, etc. and in their jobs but if we give them more room to organize we will see great benefit to the general correction of the world. A woman is capable. She looks differently at things than men do. She sees to enter and to add . so that the effect will be immediate. I am asking the men to assist the women because it is going to help us all.
38. S. (01:25:42) Yesterday we had a wonderful talk. We are going to send it to everyone soon . On the 13th of November, which is Sunday, the next November 13th, there is going to be a world congress. There will be a congress and the registry for it and the women on the path of Lishma and an organization than the women's organization is preparing it and this afternoon too, the lesson will be about that including the excerpts and everything. We are asking the women go through it. The lesson is for men and women but as Rav explained the women are on the front and they are getting the main attention.
R. Yes, I said, this is not just out of being courteous because this is how it's happening in nature this way.
39. S. (01:27:03) Indeed article speaking about bringing the child to the doctor and then the good doctor says that he has an even worse disease than before and that reminds me of how I come to the Ten every day, I come to purify and usually live with the feeling that I have more problems than I thought or I am more corrupted. The next time I don't really feel like coming anymore, it's like a mechanism that starts. What do you do with it, where is the remedy, because it seems like the disease is just getting deeper?
R. Recognizing the disease is the first path on healing. Look how much humanity invests investing in diagnosis, x-rays devices, all kinds of devices in order to identify what ails a person. Healing is much easier than discovering what is wrong, the disease. Let's rejoice from discovering our diseases because without that we won't advance towards the purpose of creation. We need to discover all along the way all of our diseases of each of us and all of us together. Therefore let's be delighted with this. Let's be happy that we are discovering more and more and more corruption and know how to approach them, to pray, and to see how they are correct.
S. A lot of questions accumulated about that part. I would like to ask, I'm not the only sick in the Ten I also the doctor and I have to come and give some sort of diagnosis. We have to feel a certain way. we have to pray, is that correct?
R. Yes.
S. So it is as if I take upon myself the others’ diseases and by diagnosing, I become sick somewhat too. It is hard to agree that my diseases are being incorporated with alien desires because I have to become sick too. Is that the beginning of the prayer?
R. This is how we advance and from the practical work we understand that this is how it happens and this is how we will come to advance.