Oren: Hello and thanks for joining us for the New Life educational series with Dr. Michael Laitman. Hello.

Rav: Hello.

Oren: Hello, Nitzah Mazuz.

Nitzah: Hello.

Oren: Today in the studio, we want to learn how to take our life to a better place, a new place. We want to learn the way in which we understand our life better, in which we feel the right thing to do, how to operate in the best possible way through our development as human beings? And the direction we’ll talk today will be like a series of talks for parents. Each one of us was a child and had parents and is either currently in a relationship where he has kids or you are already grandparents, but there are things that you just have to know, today. Today, as parents, we would like to learn how to correctly teach our children from the youngest age about our development as human beings, about male and female sexual education and all that relates to this in our world in order to know how to cope with this topic in the best possible way. Nitzah, please.

Nitzah: O.K. First of all, as parents, the topic surrounding sexual education from the youngest age is a realm that is really missing. I feel a lack of information, means, books, actually knowledge of how to correctly convey sexual education to children from the youngest age. What they teach to older kids in school and what we’ve learned is more or less to do with the biological changes, the physical changes that a body undergoes or how to prevent an unwanted pregnancy and so on. What is the right level of intimacy that has to build; what is the right process that leads to sex? All that is missing. As a parent, I know that if something that is lacking in a certain realm, I am perplexed, and I don’t know how to talk about it, what to say, and what not to say. Then many parents many times, simply don’t talk about this, and the child naturally grows, and the need develops in him, and he starts looking for information about it. Then usually, he stumbles upon different bits of information that aren’t necessarily the correct, the best information; therefore, I’d like to take it into our hands as parents, the sexual education and to gradually start seeing how we should explain this, and pass this on so that it can correctly help us help our children?

Rav: I have a question. How could it be that in the twenty-first century, we that went through the history of tens of thousands of years, suddenly think that we are lacking sexual education for children when there is nothing more natural than that? Can you explain that?

Nitzah: That’s a very interesting question. I think we have prepared ourselves for a show for this question, but I ask myself a lot what’s going on here, what happened, and what happened to humanity.

Rav: Right.

Nitzah: And I felt that there were different perceptions about taboo in everything that has to do with sex and sexuality, and religions where you don’t talk about it at all; it’s like a sin and there are the myths about it. It remains like a place in the dark. Today in the west, when I tried to look for books about it, I discovered that only in 1969, there came the first book in the U.S. that was called, “Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (But Were Afraid to Ask).” It was the very first time it was opened. So the info was lacking, the right attitude. Therefore, I really would like to hear from you what the right approach, natural approach to teach our kids, maybe first of all about the differences between the sexes and only then about the way to connect between them. I really don’t know how to begin this. What is right?

Rav: You with all your life experience of being a Mom and soon a Grandma, what’s happening?

Nitzah: This is what I said many times, because you don’t know how to begin, you either don’t talk about it at all or you wait for the child to ask something, and you try to answer something and you are not sure.

Rav: We don’t have the right approach, attitude, the philosophical basis. With regards to ourselves, we don’t know what sex is, what love is, what the male part is, what the female part is, what the common part is. Where are the parents with respect to the kids, and from which age range is everything supposed to be? This entire realm has one big question mark around it. And here we can say that no one, no one is sure, because in all other areas, we have those that understand what to do. They are certain of themselves, and here we see that no one knows and everyone fails. That’s what’s interesting. Everyone, meaning, in all cultures, in all nations. I am talking about modern times scrutinizing all the big mess and problem that we have in all of humanity in general crisis. So, here the crisis is the deepest and most fundamental. And that’s because this is the basis of our life. If we don’t understand this, then what follows is that we don’t understand and can’t arrange our whole life. It’s like at home, in a family; if there is no connection, if the spouses don’t match mentally, sexually, husband, and wife, if there is no match, nothing will help. Money, conditions, nothing. Whatever, it won’t help. They won’t get along. Meaning, love and sex is very fundamental: the balance between them, the connection between them, and the right balances between them, dosage, there is habit that has to do with social consent, and the pressure from the environment. This is the source of life and the basis of our existence. And accordingly we must say that all of a child’s education is the education that starts around him. The child that starts suckling his mother, he understands that there is a mother, and he came out of her and suckles from her. And there is Dad who is on the side in some kind of a role that is a bit more distant. I’d say that what was good in ancient times where everything was natural, the sons up to the age of 2-3 were on the woman side, then they went to the man side, and they become men. They used to go to Mom for something. They will be taken care in some way, but form a certain age and on, the parents, the parents in general, were divided into two parts: women here, men here, girls were always with women, boys, came from under the mother and moved on to the father. All the men were there, and everything was natural. All the relations between a man and a woman were relatively open, natural, such that people didn’t really attribute any importance, significant importance to it. I remember times that, in the same room, lived the parents, and the young couple, and the young children, and the grandchildren. Meaning, the grandmother and the grandparents, their children, and even the younger generation were in one room. They did not think that there should be another room. It was normal. It was clear. It was so, I don’t know how to put it. Both the the times and the attention to sex, the relations between him and her, they did not take up that much place. First of all, it wasn’t that developed. Besides the elites where somehow it was something to consider, in all the other layers of the population, it was pretty simple. It was limited. People used to get married with their own kind, meaning, according to their social position, same city, same village, and rate. Neighbors used to make the decision about the relations between a boy and a girl. The parents used to make the decision about this. You had to pay for a woman. Different things. It was like property in short. They did not describe it like emotions; they did not let young the boys and young girls or young men and young women make this kind of connection between them. It was up to, really, one hundred fifty, maximum two hundred years ago. The problem is the more we advanced towards the twentieth century, we started seeing how these emotions and feelings between man and woman become more conspicuous. People start paying attention to it; these emotions start developing. Sex against sex. Earlier it was because there was nothing better to do, and only the elites were engaged in this, and people that did not know what to do in life. And really so. Simple people used to live in order to make money, make children, have a home. Everything was simpler. We didn’t pay attention to it. It was understood that this is just how it has to be. Advance and live. There was a very simple philosophy to life; I need a woman suitable for me who is healthy, can have children and keep the house, she looks like this, or looks like that. There was no demand; there were no standards. If she would take off twenty kilos, I’ll marry her; if she won’t, I won’t. On the contrary, they looked at a woman who had plus twenty kilos and not minus twenty kilos. There was a completely different direction. And here with the general crisis, we also went into this crisis where there are big needs. Suddenly the sex popped up, which is actually the basis, our foundation on the one hand. On the other hand, it was the natural foundation. It became artificial when we started connecting it with fashion and culture, when it started revolving around this. I don’t know. People were more interested in nature, in other things. Today it’s in a more hidden way; sex is everywhere but in a more concealed fashion. However you look at it. An example is the way a new model for a car is designed; it’s done with a sexy approach. A home, a picture, furniture, whatever, everything has to be, so called, sexy. And this is development. We cannot say that it’s right or wrong. Whether we like it or not, it suits us. But it is a direction, the direction we’ve developed into, and we have find the balance in this, because in this, a person is actually between all these forces which develop him from right and from left, and there is the middle line between them. He has to take all these trends, all these urges into his hands and balance them, bring them to some kind of an equilibrium, to a good rational conclusion which is good, rational, and calm. By that, he grows by taking all the powers of nature correctly, seeing them correctly. Here I’d really say that we are falling behind by at least dozens of years. In my eyes, it’s not even dozens of years but a few hundreds of years. Let’s say two hundred years where we really didn’t pay attention to all these things. We followed the development where we suddenly connected sex to democracy and different political and social processes. We didn’t determine it, define it. Because sex is so basic, we’ve connected it to different places so that we hid it under sociology, and psychology, and pedagogies. It’s everywhere; it’s as if it’s everywhere but itself does not exist. It’s even in education for sure, and in culture, somehow externally. Where it is present is in the media, of course, in the movies, television, internet, in literature. And in everything else, we use it in a hidden way. Accordingly, we want to let it appear in the educational system only in a very limited way. Like you said, it’s either with respect to different sexually transmitted illnesses, different deviations, and so on, but it doesn’t have anything to do with sex itself, because we are not operating like animals where sex works only according to hormones. Were it so, then according to the scent, to something, I’d recognize her suitable, I’d mate with her and finish with the whole sex issue. And same on behalf of the woman with respect to the man. Animals have a whole laboratory in their nose, and mouth, and accordingly, they get along. They don’t need any matchmakers, any processes, but it’s like they don’t eat something which is bad for them. It’s the same way; they will not connect with someone who is not good for them to continue the generation with. For them, that’s what sex is. Therefore, it comes in a certain season or a certain period, and later on, they don’t know each other. There is like this inner program that is operated; they connect and drift apart. Is it sex or not? Or is that specifically sex and everything else doesn’t have anything to do with that. You have to understand why we, as opposed to animals, are connected to each other. We’re going to be connected to each other all lifelong. At the moment when he becomes a man, an adult, then, from this moment on, he, as a male, has to connect himself to the female species for life. It’s something very different from animals. We see that it’s not because of culture, education, or something, but naturally from generations back. That’s how it is in human society with everyone, with everything, however it is. It could be Indians, and South Americans, or Japanese, and somewhere in the far north, or in Africa, or Australia, and so on. Meaning, this is human nature; this is rooted in human nature, the lengthy connection between the sexes, between the male and the female. Therefore, here there has to be an addition, a very interesting addition that we did not have passed down through our heritage. What I mean is, we are developing from one generation to the next, and each generation actually needs special education of its own, culture of its own, new relations between people, and accordingly, new relations between species. If we’ve developed this way throughout the years, where each one of us changes are the relations between us changed? Are these relations between us, between each and every one, between male and female, in each and every generation, and generation, generation, generation, and the relations between the male and the female of the various generations changed? Do they change naturally, and we don’t have to pay attention to it? Or from one generation to the next, we need to pass on these new relations like we do with science, culture, education? And if we don’t pass it on, then the next generation won’t know? What’s going on here? It’s passed on naturally according to the inner development, both in the male and the female. Then they know that this is how they have to behave. Or we got this from Mom and Dad, mine and hers, and we have to behave this way? So, here is the question. It’s a big question. Meaning, does the connection between man and woman in every generation, does it come through the educational system or through the natural system? So we’ve seen that throughout many generations, it used to come through a natural educational system. But, people lived together, that used to live together. Even my teacher, the Rabash, when he got married with his young wife, they were eighteen. Her parents were wealthy, wealthy, meaning, they had an apartment in Jerusalem, in a respectable place, next to a place called The Shavat Square. And he said, “I want to live with them, because my father has no place for us to live.” So these two moved to their home and one room, they rented to someone. And also we, we lived in the same room with her parents. And there were brothers and sisters in the same room. Back then, there were such rooms where today, they divide into the four rooms and sell it as an apartment. But in the past, it used to be one room. So it wasn’t considered something uncomfortable, or unpleasant, or something. Natural. Natural. A young couple lives in the same room with the parents, hers or his, and brothers, and sisters. Meaning, there is a kind of inner conveying education, and culture, and sex, and relations between everyone. Like it was then, so it will be. That’s how it was in his home or her house and also their home, the new couple. So even though, from generation to generation, it used to change, it had to be passed on through education and not naturally like we are feeling it, but that education, it was so natural, it was passed on this way from life. And people were closer to nature. Most of them lived in villages close to animals and understood and felt how it is in the animate world. And this period, this relation also belongs to the animalistic world. There was no taboo around that was shameful. Therefore today, after only maybe one hundred, one hundred and fifty years or two hundred years, it’s hard for us to depict their whole perception, the way they saw things and how we see things. Also there wasn’t such a separation between the parents and the children. Also the inner development, their connection between the generations was closer. There wasn’t the disconnection, such a big gap that has to do with all the development of the generation. And that’s why it’s no wonder that suddenly we’ve stumbled on some problem. From Freud and on it was really felt, but there was still no basis for all these things. Also the first and the Second World War, all of Europe was with the development of atomic weapons, and we went into this external whirlpool that was a kind of addition to things. Also fashion that wasn’t with the intermediate levels and of the lower levels. It started developing that, and it started developing this way. It’s no wonder that humanity kind of let it go. Suddenly we came to a state where we don’t know how to relate to it. There is not even a correct standard from previous generations as to how to relate to this, how to approach it. So we have to start really a new direction and see that the crisis in relations between men and women, husband and wife, the crisis both in sex and between the husband and wife that has nothing to do with sex. These are several levels in which the crisis is very deep, unclear, and fundamental, really fundamental. All that now happens with us, if we know how to deal with it, how to correct it, we’ll know how to cure most of our problems in this time. Because the topic, the theme has to do with the basis of life. It doesn’t have to do with our biology, physiology; it’s an essential matter. It doesn’t even have to do with the human race, but with our origin, our spiritual origin. So, please. We will get deeper in or still talk more about the introduction of the problem.

Nitzah: If I understood correctly things that you have said, the crisis is between the male and female parts. Maybe we can put it this way, meaning that there is a crisis between two forces, two basis of nature that are in crisis between them.

Rav: To this day, it was not that clear, because they had developed and connected between them naturally. This is plus, this is minus, this is male, this is female. These are two parts of the still, two parts of the vegetative, two parts of the living, and two parts of the human which also develops the human species. Suddenly, we reached the twentieth century where these two parts in the human species become more than the living level. They started growing beyond the program of nature which no longer operates in them. What does operate in them? There is no program that connects them, and here they grow. Up until a certain point, they grew as well as the connection between them. It was always there naturally. Suddenly, they reached some point that from it and on, they grew, but there is no connection. The connection is in a form of chaos; we have to fill this connection, and we don’t know how. We look at everything, as whatever appeals to a person. In a democracy, anyone can do this and that, and someone turns sex into sex, someone does this, they do that and are into that. Everything becomes very…In short, the problems are ever growing. It’s because we’ve reached the state where we have to complete nature, but we don’t see, don’t understand; we can’t. What’s going on with us? This is what we have to check.

Nitzah: It’s very interesting. It really sounds like the general crisis of all of us.

Rav: It is the crisis of nature. It’s not a financial crisis, in human society about something, but it does have to do with the basis of all basis.

Nitzah: So maybe let’s try to build this kind of education, because if I understand correctly, you are saying that nature up to a certain point connected us, and from now, we humans have to learn…

Rav: As long as we developed like animals, the still, vegetative, animate, that’s how we developed. On the living level, when we developed form the monkey and up to our times, almost until the twentieth century, we’ve developed this way. Then we go away from the natural development, egoistic development, where the ego somehow connected between us. It somehow determined how we are supposed to be, because according to the ego, it is very simple. According to the ego, it’s what is beneficial for me, for him, for her, and we connect. Everyone knows how many camels he has to pay for a woman. Is it worthwhile or not, because it is from her relatives, from the same village, from this, from that. It was very clear, because there was a very clear sum for this, for everything; the payment was very clear. Accordingly, we connected and lived. It was very clear for what am to take her, and what am I taken for, in return for what. When the ego ruled humanity in the simplest way, we knew how much a woman cost, how much a man cost, who is suitable, matchable for whom. Everyone knew their place. There was no problem. I took a woman; she knew what to do in life, because she also grew in the same home where she was taught everything. From there, I used to take her, and that’s it. And we used to continue life. Suddenly we live in a modern life, where there is no man, no woman, no clear role. A woman has the same role as a man, she leaves home, and she works. She could even be more successful than a man, up to the point where she becomes a head of state and so on. The man is at least like her or sometimes less. There is full equality that women go forward, and they can demand all the rights as men. Also the girls learn from this. It’s not that I negate this. I am just saying how the development in the last hundred years, even less than a hundred year, also slavery, only in 1950-1960’s, this movement in America started. It’s not from Lincoln, but we are talking the twentieth century, middle twentieth century. Only then is it possible to say that really in practice, the equal rights movement started between the white and the black, and accordingly, all the rest of the things. Humanity started breaking all natural walls, boundaries that existed for hundreds and thousands years before. The natural boundaries between man and woman brought the woman out of all of her natural environment, which is the home, birth, and children. A woman is the home. Then the family as a social cell, ceased to exist as a family, ceased to operate as a family. Today, you need tremendous efforts to keep the family together, to keep some kind of a cell without it falling apart. Even more efforts are necessary in order to make it so that the children will somehow feel that they have a family, because they want to escape too. They have a lot of options for it too; it’s forbidden for me to come up to my child and tell him something. The child can now call the police on the parent and so on. The attitude became so different. I’m not saying good, bad, but different from the previous natural behavior. It’s from which we simply have to learn. If we get into it and we see the difference between what we have today and what happened a hundred years ago, we might see according to this example, how humanity flipped. So it’s not that we have to bring some kind of a correction, a bit more proximity between man and woman in order to correct things and also some additional lesson, sexual education lesson at school. It’s funny. I see you are laughing. Yep, I understand. But with this, we can correct this. There was a revolution, a revolution here, where things really turned completely around and rearranged our life upside down. We have to understand, acknowledge this, and only after, only after we understand, not only understand, but feel the basis of where it came from, how it happened, what the reason is, what it is supposed to lead us to, only after that will we be able to decide what is upon us to do. What should we do and are we capable of doing it? Or do we let it be; however it goes, it goes with the wind, and we’ll keep on sailing with no direction. Because sometimes, it’s better than working with the wheel and sails, which I have no idea where to turn. So we are first of all inquire the state of crisis, and in accordance with these two forces, male and female, why in the human species, where it’s plus and minus, and in the atoms, and the different forms of the roads to this, to that, that it’s arranged nicely, well, it has a solid form, why in Biology, Botany, Zoology there are living cells that are also connected at a plus and minus. Also we studied this in chemistry and biology; we know how it is, that everything is the connection between the two forces. Also in these forces, we know there is plus and minus and how they come together and build different forms that are already forms that are in their development. These cells are already in a gradual development of connection, but it’s according to the laws of nature. And afterwards, the way it happens with plants and their development and connection of the male and female, we know that it’s either one or the other, or to these or those and different means, and the way it develops in the human species, and living species, not how it is supposed to be in men, but how it happens on their level. Meaning we have to see it from their nature and not from my nature, where I corrupt that connection according to how I see things. And later the speaking species, human species which is the most complicated, sophisticated form take out the most natural, most connected form in people in all of history? Without those kind of connections, there is no continuity of life here. It’s like an atom can’t exist if there is no plus and minus correctly connected between them. How man took it and gradually throughout its development, corrupted these things more and more, to the extent that he himself became corrupted in his evil inclination where he starts separating and growling towards others, and so on. Then how, instead of the natural relations between the sexes, the ego came in and control, and honor, and different egoistic urges that grew from one generation to the next, it influenced the human nature, the human species. And we lived with it, in spite of periods like this, like that; we accepted life naturally. This is life. Until in the last century, we can say the twentieth century, we’ve entered a very serious crisis in which there has never been, and to this day, we don’t understand or know what is going on with us, but as it says, that by looking at the next generation, it hurts, not that much, really, becoming blocked to that, deaf to that, but it hurts us to see what’s happening to the next generation. Maybe that will necessitate us to none the less think about what we can do to prepare the right infrastructure for them and to educate them correctly for the right existence. This is really a problem, because it follows that whoever we talk to, all the parents, their hearts, they have broken hearts about their children. There is barely any case where the parents can be satisfied with how things are. And they can’t correctly point to what it is, and it’s not that they say, “No, they have to be like us,” wanting a really conservative approach of exactly like this or why isn’t it like this! No. It is not this foolish, narrow approach. They see that the young generation is not content with life. We didn’t give them the right approach, the tools, didn’t give them the right point of view of things, discernments. Therefore, the parents heard about this, and I think there is room here to go to parents and educate them this way.

Nitzah: So first of all, this was really interesting, because really through this topic of sexual education, you opened the door, and you’ve shown for the first time the crisis, the tremendous crisis that exists between plus and minus, the two forces of nature.

Rav: Until it reached the human level in its development from below up, we didn’t feel it headed for the crisis. And when it even started in humanity, we didn’t feel that was a crisis. We thought to play a bit more a bit less with this. We are confused by Hollywood, fashion, different things. It’s as if things were getting sexier and nicer, more playful, more flirt, romantic. We became more emotional. We did not see that behind all the dances, and the freedom, and all the kinds of connections, suddenly comes some kind of a state where we are empty, and we lose connection between us, even lose the connection between the male and female. It is a connection to some kind of exploitation of each other for a short time, and something out of which we, because we follow the different techniques, we lost the emotion there, and it stayed empty. Today, go into some sex shop, take some plastic, whatever, do what you want, and that’s it. He had life. He may take some inflating doll, and she something else, and it’s headed for things that offer no feelings and no connection in it. Then what happens is that, all in all, today there is some serious talk going on about this. I am interested in it, because it has to do with the future of humanity, about how we continue to multiply into the next generation through different artificial ways, and hospitals like this, like that. It also has to do with gender; we want to choose the children that we want, and how they will grow. Also, now the woman doesn’t have to give birth naturally so as not to destroy her body, and everything is all going toward such mechanization where everything is machines. And here we are. Because we’re lacking the right preparation of the young generation, we’ve completely lost. Suddenly all the feelings kind of fled out of it, drifted out. Because if I look at previous generations, what did we have? I used to come to my uncle, suppose. He had a daughter, I’d say, “Give me.” He used to give me. That’s it. To this day there are many cases where young couples don’t meet, but it’s their parents that choose for them. My teacher told me that it was the same with him. One evening his parents came home and they said, “Baruch, we found you a woman.” It was on Sunday or Monday, and they said, “Thursday, you are getting married.” That’s that. He didn’t see, didn’t anything, or have a say, and there was no question about it. The parents have experience in life and know their son, and they understand everything. Who else, if not they can choose the suitable thing for him? They gave birth to him; they grew him this whole time, now they are getting him married. They give him a small push in order to continue life together with her. And that’s it. That’s how it’s supposed to be. And here, these days, do the parents have anything to do with it? They invite them to the wedding, if there is going to be one. This is the way, and we have to understand that it happened only in the last hundred and fifty years. That’s it. Before that, there was no such thing that I would get married to her because I love her. It is only today that they write novels about what happened five hundred years ago. There was no such thing; there was no such thing like love in today’s terminology. It was the matter of compatibility and compatibility on the normal simple levels. I need a woman who knows how to cook, how to arrange the home, take care of me, the children. And with her, I’ll live. For her to of course be healthy and so on, what else do I need? And also she has to understand that a young fellow is ready to work and to provide for her all that is necessary. The problem is that everything, this entire attitude between a man and a woman where the woman is in the home, and the man is outside of the home, meaning that he leaves home and comes back in order to make a livelihood, that whole thing broke. We can’t say that it’s good or bad, but how can we compensate with our new education so that this connection will none the less remain, because then we can keep the family cell.

Nitzah: From what I understood from this entire conversation, is that previously, we had the natural instincts to connect between us, but today we seemingly lost these natural instincts. We don’t know how to correctly connect between us, between these two forces, the male and female. And the education, the same education that we call the education for sexuality teaches us how to connect, how to correctly connect between the two most fundamental forces.

Rav: That is actually what the Integral Education has to give us. And we’ll talk about it, and we’ll come to it.

Oren: I would like to ask one small thing, because we have to come to the end of the show. You are talking about, because we are using different techniques, we lost our feelings and emotions. You gave examples of different sex props instead of feelings and connections.

Rav: It’s not only the props. It’s the dancing, and the culture, and Hollywood. There are different things. It’s also something natural. I am not saying that it’s artificial. It’s all part of our nature, but it’s the egoistic nature that started developing especially in the last hundred years. It wasn’t like that before. Until the twentieth century, we pretty much developed on the animalistic level. Then we’re on the speaking level, we became humans where a woman came out of the home and the man started feeling that they are free, the borders between people started breaking down, between countries, different connections around the world, with the radio that started at the beginning of the twentieth century, then television in the beginning of the twentieth century, then the nineties with the internet. And until now, we can say that the pace of things are much shorter. Each new period is more intense and stronger than the previous one. So we are in development. We are undergoing a very strong development, the big development. I am not disregarding it; I appreciate it. But we do not complete what is upon us to complete and compensate for. I have no criticism over the development of humanity. The corruptions, the corrections are neither good, nor bad. I look at it as a researcher. There is no personal attitude toward everything. It’s like a wolf eating the sheep. A small child can say, “Look, what he is doing. He is bad,” and he might cry, “Let’s hit him!” I am not saying, I am not looking at it this way.

Oren: So, what is it that we have to complete? One sentence if you can say, so we’ll know which direction to go.

Rav: This compensation that you are talking about in the connection between the species, male and female, what’s the direction? The connection between them can be on the middle line. We educate the male and the female that the connection has to be above them, above sex, for them to look for something higher. We’ve started the development of people and not the animalistic level. Now, the past century, only now we started developing on the human level. So let’s be on the degree of so-called “Adam,” from the word “adame alien,” to be like the upper. Without the right connection on the middle line, the connection of these two forces for the sake of the spiritual or human, it doesn’t matter. But something emotional, mutual, new to come out of us. And sex is sex. Leave it aside; separate it, and discern the two.

Oren: You say middle line, what do you mean?

Rav: I mean that by the right connection between us, we build something that is not necessarily a man and a woman, but between us, there has to be some kind of a new creation. Not a corporeal creation like children, but according to how we have a child as the result of a corporeal connection, there has to be an emotional connection: warm, compact connection, a mutual source, a mutual heart between us, between the male and the female or between all men and all women, if we are talking about humanity with the global problem. And here there has to be the solution. Without it, we completely lose all directions. That’s why I say that this crisis that happens between the species is the fundamental crisis. If you approach it correctly, and it’s close to everyone, if we turn to it correctly, then by that, we can correct all the relations that exist in the human species. That’s how we’ll progress to the general correction.

Oren: Thank you very much, Dr. Laitman. It was very interesting. Thank you, Nitzah. Thank you for being with us, and we’ll learn how to build warmth, connection, and the new life between us. All the best.

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