Part 3
Morning Lesson October 23, 2022, Transcription
Transcription is made from simultaneous translation which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio
Exile and Redemption - Harmony between Religion and the Law of Development or Blind Fate
1. R. (00:18) Yes please it is a short excerpt, but we should read it.
Reading (00:25 - ) “ Exile and Redemption Harmony between Religion and the Law of Development or Blind Fate
2. R. (00:47) And if you walk in the desire to receive, you will not find this peace and quiet.
Reading (00:055 - 00:01:09) “ Exile and Redemption Harmony between Religion and the Law of Development or Blind Fate
3. R. (01:01:11) Here we have to understand that the nation of Israel is, also was like the rest of the nations, and then it came out of Babylon with the authority of Abraham to be separated from the rest of humanity and continue and walk in love of others, which is its flag, its symbol. And this is why they became opposite of the rest of the nations.
Reading (01:45 - 02:008) “The Creator will evidently show us that Israel cannot exist
in exile, and will find no rest as the rest of the nations
4. R. (02:15) Meaning all of the nation to exist in order to receive, they find between them all sorts of methods of existing and connection, rather that very group that was separated from Babylon, and thousands of years was kind of hanging around, it didn't find any peace because there were always thinking about bestowal. And we don't have any friends in the intention in order to bestow all over the land and life was difficult and we couldn't find how to reach the goal.
Reading (03:10 - 04:27) “Not so is the house of Israel. This nation will find no rest..”
5. R. (04:29) That means we cannot calm down but rather we have to reach our goal and our goal is in the correct use of everything that is written in the Torah, like in a work document.
Reading (04:51 - 06:02) “We should clarify this matter by the law of development…”
6. R. (06:04) This is in essence the biggest fall that happened with the fall of The First Temple., the destruction of the First Temple, where we fell from Lishma to Lo Lishma. So everyone reached in order to receive, and not everyone but the majority, and this is the result of the destruction of the First Temple.
7. S. (06:36) Why can all the nations continue existing in this way of in order to receive?
R. Because that very group that was able and obligated to reach in order to bestow first hasn’t corrected itself, therefore the rest, we are still able to exist and succeed in order to receive.
S. So why did the people of Israel go to selfishness if we’ve developed, why do we choose?
R. In the desire to receive daily becomes more and more big, and then what does He demand from people? That accordingly they correct themselves and they do not correct so they descend until they reach in their descents to the Gadlut of …. the destruction of the First Temple, all sorts of wars and problems until the destruction of the Second Temple.
S. How through this process of development that we as a nation have developed specifically with the Torah, came a point where we started declining, what happened?
R. Who told you that we have developed, see if there was a real development, a good one from the moment we received the Torah, we have began and feuds and wars and all the years of our existence from the Mount Sinai onwards, we are already in relative descent.
8. S. (08:47) I want to scrutiny something: he says, “the Torah is truth and woe unto us as long as we settle for that”, and I remember once they asked you, “is there a God?”, you said there isn’t. It was a big miss and you started explaining; look what he says, as long as that is enough for us there is no God” so what’s going on?
R. I don't understand your question.
S. My question is when he says, “woe unto us if we don't do our work”, basically, if you believe just like you believe today then nothing will happen. And you, in the past they asked you, “Rav Laitman, is there a God?” and you said, “no there is no God”. Everyone jumped, “how come he says there is no God?” Can you explain what happened there?
R. I don't know, you got that impression, what do you want from me?
S. I’ll tell you what you said, then you did: “friends, listen very well, if you don't do the work, there is no God, there's nothing.”
R. As it is written, there is no Creator, there's no God.”
S. What should be done so that there is a God?
R. To return the Creator to the heart of man, this is the great work.
S. Good, so how do we do that?
R. Through love of others.
S. This thing of love of others, when you say this general thing, well, you know, everyone loves, everyone says that’s what they’re doing but what is the secret, what’s the secret behind it?
R. The secret is simple: I know that without us beginning to come closer to one another, a little bit each towards others, we will not exit, we will not exit this prison, and it will begin it will become darker and darker.
S. You said, “if I want to open it, I am sick of these things already”, you said if we won’t reach hatred between us there’s nothing, there’s no love without hatred, so how, how?
R. Correct, there has to be revelation of evil before the correction, otherwise you will not know what you need to correct.
S. So how do you see that we can do it, if I open my mouth, one word, you see my ten? If you say one word, they're jumping, there's no work, no work, they were petting each other all the time.
R. Because we need to do it gradually, thousands of years the Creator is doing this with us, and now we have to do it for ourselves. Were we open this Pandora box, gradually, slowly, slowly until all of our actions, all of our qualities. preparations, the evil ones come out, gradually from light to heavy and we can correct them by connecting above them. That love covers all crimes, and this is how we do.
S. There are fears, you see there’s fear, they're afraid to open this, so how do I?
R. I am not afraid to open, and I do it gradually, and slowly, slowly and if you do it as I ask and recommend then everything will be okay.
S. please define what slowly means
R. slowly means gradually
9. S. (12:42) Can a person or a nation fall from Lishma to Lo Lishma?
R. Yes of course, this is what happened to us in the past. This is what happened to us in the past from the reception of the Torah in Sinai to the destruction of the second temple.
S. This must happen?
R. Yes, it had to happen that way because the vessels had to be a mixed so that we could correct it after that. But we are already after all the breakages and now we can correct it only through the ascent.
S. In our days can there be a state where the group will enter Lishma and then fall again to Lo Lishma?
R. No.
10. S. (13:43) How can a group that entered Lishma hold Lishma without the teacher being there physically, alive with them?
R. It is not important whether the teacher is there physically or not. If the group is holding on to itself, then it’s holding on. They don't require the teacher to be there physically.
S. We see by the article the history of all the groups of Kabbalists who were fighting about Lishma and Lo Lishma, but only round this point.
R. This was in the past. Today you don't have such feuds because no one knows what Lishma is.
S. For the time being, but I'm talking about the future.
R. In the future maybe there will be some feuds and then it’s better to stay away from them. Like me, I don’t enter any connection with anyone, not a different group, there are maybe thousands of groups. I don't care what they say, I don't care how they exist, it’s not important. I wish them only thing, to clarify their way to the Creator and to come closer to Him. On this I am really ready to pray with an open heart but other than that it’s not important to me. I was asked to give them the originals of Baal HaSulam and Rabash, I gave it to them to make copies, I gave them the Shamati book and all sorts of documents that I had, that I received Rabash after he passed away (may his memory be blessed). I don't hide and don’t keep for myself nothing. Please, take and advance according to whatever you want. And I don’t want to be a part and I don’t want to belong to anyone because these connections always lead to more problems.
S. is the danger of mixing Lo Lishma with Lishma in the future only through mingling with other groups?
R. They can even be in the same group. Study, be included more between us and included more within the material.
S. So I go back to my original question. In the group there can be an argument between Lo Lishma and Lishma. How do we settle these arguments if there is no teacher in his body to show the way?
R. Only annulment as Rabash writes, only annulment one towards the other. Other than that there are systems. Systems of management, ideological systems, I’m not sure what they are called, and you have to know how to learn with them. But I wouldn't recommend joining anyone out of a feeling of weakness, I wouldn't recommend joining any other body that studies according to the method of the ARI, Baal HaSulam or Rabash, absolutely not, not to join anyone. You have enough strength, you have a foundation, you have a building, you have a system, you have everything. Only study and be together, you don't need anything else to reach correction.
11. S. (19:31) What does it mean that we can come closer to prophesy?
R. I don't want to talk about this. Prophecy I don't want to talk about this. Many times this guy is in some fantasy, I don't like it. I like to talk about practical things.
Reading (19:58) “But because the Torah prohibits this, they denied the Torah and the prophecy and adopted the manners of the
12 . S. (22:19) We said Lo Lishma is a very exalted state and reaching in the will to receive pleasures in bestowal is a very important thing in our path. Here he says that there’s a state that those who were pursuing selfish desires unlike the path of Torah they brought the destruction of their Jewish people so how..?
R. We don't know the conditions that existed there, their desire to receive that was there, how much was it was egoistic or simple, beastly. Therefore we can’t judge their state only in what is written in this article. That after the destruction of the first temple there was a such a period where everyone was in a very bad condition, a bad state. In their state everyone wanted to be in their ego and control their own ego. And this is how we see in our historical development until the destruction of the second temple and all of this nation was dispersed, the nation that belonged to the first and second house outside of the place that they existed, meaning outside of Israel. We can’t compare what we had and what they had and how much they were in order to bestow or in order to receive. We will speak about it but for now their life is not very clear to us. If we want to be included in them then we really need to go in and see not just according to the will to receive and what they kept or not kept. It’s no different than different concepts, different outlook on life and value of life in the connection between people. We’ll continue it tomorrow. Today is already late and as usual we will see each other in the afternoon lesson.