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Daily Lesson (Morning) December 9, 2024.

Part 2: To Bestow in Order to Bestow - Selected Excerpts from the Sources

Reader: Hello, we're reading selected excerpts from the Kabbalists on the topic of “To Bestow in Order to Bestow”. We're in the excerpt number one right now.

1. RABASH, Article No. 332, "Concerning Equivalence of Form"

Reading: (00:20) One’s main work should be to enjoy while performing acts of bestowal. This is the meaning of what is written, “Serve the Lord with gladness” in order to have equivalence of form. Just as He enjoys when He bestows, as our sages said, “His desire to do good to His creations,” so man should achieve this degree.

This should be man’s entire reward, and this is called “bestowing in order to bestow” without any reward because he has no greater pleasure than this.

But once he is rewarded with this degree where all his pleasure is in bestowing upon the Creator, he sees and feels that he cannot give anything to the Creator that will please Him, other than to receive from Him the pleasures that He has prepared for His creations, which was the purpose of creation. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:14) In what Kli does he feel the joy? 

M. Laitman: In his vessels. 

Student: In the vessel to receive, in the vessel to bestow?

M. Laitman: In the vessel to bestow. 

Student: In the vessel to bestow, and what depends upon for him to feel the joy in the vessel to bestow? 

M. Laitman: As much as he can really be in bestowal.

Student: Contrary to the desire to receive?

M. Laitman: That's how it turns out to be. 

Student: Meaning, if a person has sufficient importance and desire to bestow to the Creator, then no matter what the Creator gives him, he can be in bestowal towards the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Well, you can't say it doesn't matter what the Creator gives but it does matter. But he organizes himself as much as possible to bestow back to the Creator. 

Student: I'm trying to ask if a person wants to bestow to the Creator.

M. Laitman: Yes? 

Student: He receives some form that's, let's say, unpleasant to the desire to receive. 

M. Laitman: For sure.

Student: Yes. So, if he has importance around the group, Rav, books, and everything we learn. He can use this state in order to serve the Creator. Is this where his joy is from, from that possibility? 

M. Laitman: Let’s say so.

Student: Now, what does it depend upon because he doesn't always succeed. What does that depend upon, and what do we need to strengthen so that the chances will be better for us to bestow and to be in joy? 

M. Laitman: We need to see what we gain from the connection between us. And as much as we can raise our vessels up by the connection between us. That's what we want to raise up to the Creator, that He can connect between us. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (05:19) I'll ask how I understand: You do what you want with it. 

M. Laitman: I don't understand what you're saying. 

Student: No, I'm thinking how to ask it, correctly, I just don't think precisely of the words. Let's assume that you hear the text a little differently. You're, somewhat, able to attribute it to the Creator, somewhat. You're not some great sage but you see where he's operating here and there. A little faith, you come to some similar conclusion like your teacher, that there's nothing to give Him. That, in you or before you, a desire to receive that you can bestow to him is not revealed with which you can bring Him contentment and give back His relation towards you. And you don't want to condemn in such a state. So, how is it possible in some way to give back the attention that He gives you? You just want to enjoy that He has contentment from above in all this. 

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: But you still don't know how to do this. So, in what way can we, I don't know if it's right to say this?

M. Laitman: From all the excerpts that the Kabbalists left us, we can learn how we still give contentment to the Creator.

Student: Okay and you start to hear that. But to express such actions you see that you have no such ability yet. To hear is a reward. 

M. Laitman: Yes, you don't have the ability, you do it. You want it to be that way even though you're still not actually doing anything in practice. 

Student: Is that okay? I'm trying to find the path and I don't find it?

M. Laitman: Yes, yes, that's it, you want to find the path, so you see that path more and more. You even discover some, let's say danger points there that can knock you off. But you're prepared and willing to keep advancing on that path. That's a good thing, that is a good thing. Now, according to that, you will try to find a few more people like you – there are such here. And connect them together in one vessel. And in this way, bestow to the Creator. 

Student: Will there be help from above in finding who they are? 

M. Laitman: Of course, yes, of course, there will be help.

Student: And how? 

M. Laitman: Yes, the Creator is expecting that. 

Reader: (08:44) Can I ask about the first text that we just read? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: He writes that this should be man's entire reward, and this is called bestowing in order to bestow without any reward. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: All the reward of a person is that he bestows? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, a person has a reward?

M. Laitman: There is. It's just not received in this world. 

Student: What form of bestowal is this if he has a reward? 

M. Laitman: There's something that's driving him. You can bestow to a person, I don't know, I'm asking to get beat up. Can you understand that? 

Student: No. 

M. Laitman: No but you don't understand that a reward can even be that a person does get beat up. 

Student: He receives it. There's something that's reviving him, that's giving him life.

M. Laitman: You see people in our world that instead of a reward, they get beaten and feel that it's a reward. No remedy will help them. Just to change their will to receive in order to bestow. 

Student: What is bestowing in order to bestow without any reward? 

M. Laitman: It's impossible in our world, that's clear, but you can somehow depict it in a way that's disconnected from our vessels.

Student: I still don't understand: First of all, just to understand reward, what is the reward? Pleasure? Does it need to be pleasure or is also blows are also a reward? 

M. Laitman: The reward must be pleasure.

Student: Meaning, if a person bestows in order to bestow without any reward, he continues because he has no greater pleasure because there's pleasure in bestowal. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What is this bestowal? 

M. Laitman: That he gives back to the upper one who is great in his eyes.

Student: So, he has a stimulus, he has something and others don't. 

M. Laitman: He has a reward and others don't. 

Student: So, what's to bestow without a reward? 

M. Laitman: Without a reward, like you're saying, so just an insane person can do that. Meaning, without any seeing beforehand some kind of result. Which he calls that a reward. 

Student: Without a reward is without receiving anything? 

M. Laitman: Without a possibility to enjoy.

Student: It's not understood, what does it mean without a possibility to enjoy? There's always rewards, I mean, there's a goal for there to be pleasure. So, what's without any reward? 

M. Laitman: Without any reward, that in all my vessels that are in order to receive, I will not feel in them any filling from what I'm doing now. 

Student: That's his reward, without any filling? 

M. Laitman: Yes, if I check all my vessels and see zero, zero, zero, zero. 

Student: What fills me? 

M. Laitman: My performing an action without getting anything in return.

Student: What is bestowal? 

M. Laitman: Bestowal is called that I, in somewhat, fill the others in what they want. 

Student: And by me filling him, what do I receive from that? 

M. Laitman: Could be nothing. 

Student: What's his desired state? To want nothing or to pray for it? 

M. Laitman: That you won't receive anything. 

Student: Why? 

M. Laitman: By this, you will resemble the Creator, more.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (13:45) Once we had an example that if a simple woman gives a prince the ring, and he'll take it from her, the giving will be as a reception for her. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, when we want to give something to the Creator together.

M. Laitman: So, what do you think? You together connect and you acquire a state that is very valuable; and bring it to that ruler. 

Student: Yesterday we had a Yeshivat Haverim, Gathering of Friends, where we had gathering where friends raised their deficiencies from the bottom of the heart. And we are incorporated from their deficiencies, especially here, the friends that are sitting here. How do we turn all those deficiencies that we heard – there was a special feeling. How do we turn that into a ring? Can we give this to the king? 

M. Laitman: It's not simple but, eventually, that's what happens.

Student: And the happiness we read about, supposedly, bad things are being revealed. We heard that's not good, that's not good. But on the other hand, in the background, we heard that it's coming from a deep inner need to reach a higher goal. It's like the evil is being revealed but inside there's a desire to ascend higher.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: How do we move from one stage of just rejoicing from – like a child who receives chocolate – to delighting from things that seem to us without work of ours as not good but we make it good.

M. Laitman: Only under the condition that what comes out in practice is still not the final picture. But what's in the picture, that's what's important.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (16:51) To reach pleasure from bestowing to the Creator, do we need to start with bestowing to friends? 

M. Laitman: Let's say so. 

Student: When I'm thinking that I'm bestowing to a friend, do I need to also expect for him to enjoy it? A friend? 

M. Laitman: Otherwise, what? 

Student: Meaning, that's the exam whether I'm bestowing or not. And if a friend enjoys it, I'm freed from the necessity for pleasure for myself? Meaning that that can be my reward, that he's enjoying? 

M. Laitman: That's already a different degree.

Student: But it depends upon him enjoying first?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And from here, we have all the degrees onwards.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (17:48) Another thing about what the friend asked earlier: We say that in bestowal, there's no filling. Meaning, if you check and say zero, zero, zero, zero, then everything's really zero, then it's a sign that you're bestowing. Your bestowal is pure. And that zero, zero, zero is in the desire to receive. There's no honor, no money, no health. All the things that a person wants, he doesn't have those. But a person is a creature of feeling, he needs to feel good somehow. So, would it be correct to say that now there's a new Kli within which I feel the pleasure? All the vessels I had before are disqualified? And there's a new vessel that I do feel pleasure in? 

M. Laitman: And that vessel? 

Student: That vessel is a vessel of bestowal. 

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: And it was said about that that every spiritual pleasure is a million times bigger than a corporeal pleasure. There is a filling, here, it's not that a person's working without filling – t's just a different filling.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (19:05) There's this human tendency to admire or appreciate someone who's great, right? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Let's say when I was a child, I had some soccer team or its players, I had posters on my walls. They didn't know I existed, they never knew that I existed. But I, from my belonging to this great thing, felt this pride when they won and I cried when they lost. There was this tendency to admire someone great. What's the difference between that and feeling the greatness of the Creator? 

M. Laitman: I do not know, I don’t know. To appreciate the greatness of the Creator according to what? 

Student: According to being something great, you feel belonging to it. You want His success we want Him. We want to be connected to Him, we want to identify with Him. So, what's the difference between this human nature to admire something great, like a group or a team? And the feeling of really the greatness of the Creator? 

M. Laitman: I don't know, I don't know. Leave it as a question and advertise it later on. And you'll see what answers you get. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:20) The person directly cannot give up pleasures that he has unless he has another vessel where he can receive pleasure.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: But it's clear to us from the study that a person doesn't receive this naturally, this vessel of bestowal. Meaning, how do we acquire a new vessel? How do you acquire a new vessel, a vessel of bestowal? After all, you don't want to begin with, every act of bestowal feels this darkness and you don't feel any pleasure in it. You can't even be attracted to this, so how is it acquired in a person, nevertheless? 

M. Laitman: By prayer. 

Student: What, that a person prays in order to?

M. Laitman: Now, you feel that it's not bad if I'll have vessels of bestowal, too. Next to my vessels of reception, let me have vessels of bestowal. How much can you stand on that? 

Student: And that's the lift with which a person can concede his previous vessels, the vessels of reception. That's how he can concede them – when he can depict that he has some, something else that's awaiting him.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: How do we use this principle in our work,? When we approach even in the work between friends where all the difficulty in the work is where you feel no pleasure in the acts that bring you closer to spirituality? How to use, how does that principle serve us in the work when we need to depict something that we have a reward in it even before we feel it? 

M. Laitman: That we will feel a reward before we have a vessel? 

Student: So that we will agree on giving up on our ego and start coming closer to spirituality to some extent. And make that tendency that will bestow upon us and give us the vessels. I have to give up something but if I can't give up it, there's no feeling of reward in something else. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, our entire going out of ourselves is when something shines upon us from afar. But how do we cause that to shine upon us? 

M. Laitman: We raise a prayer to the Creator to shine on us. 

Student: But when I raise a prayer, I need to feel it's something I want. 

M. Laitman: To discover it.

Student: Discover something, something that will attract me?

M. Laitman: You want to discover the Creator.

Student: But the Creator still doesn't say bestowal to me and then I can be drawn to something that's not bestowed, and it can make me stuck until the end of time. 

M. Laitman: That's something you'll discover very quickly. That the Creator is bestowal and nothing else.

Student: Meaning, a person's desire to reveal the Creator even through his vessels of reception will begin to bring him the illumination that will clarify to him what the Creator really is. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Now, I'll continue on this point. I think that many are advancing towards it. The Creator is revealed as darkness, you cannot, you don't want what you discover. And even, subconsciously, you start to feel that you're not exerting anymore because you don't want to touch that place. 

M. Laitman: Yes, yes. 

Student: What now? 

M. Laitman: What now? 

Student: Well, for 20 years, a person sits, I'm saying 20 years and is not willing to come closer to his soul. What to do so that it will not happen, so that he will agree to give up and come close to that? 

M. Laitman: Attack. 

Student: Of whom? 

M. Laitman: Of the person. 

Student: He's attacking, now, something that he thinks there is darkness for him.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: It appears as if he has a need for additional forces than what he has. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (26:32) I feel certain things that I can benefit the society or ask for them. And, here, I have an opportunity either from within myself, what I feel, that the Creator is bringing me something inside me, and I can give it to society. Or I can see something maybe wrong there, so I want the Creator to give it directly to them. So, what's right, that it goes through me or directly from the Creator to them? 

M. Laitman: That depends on you. If you want it to be there, you can, immediately, pray for the Creator to send it to them, that's it. 

Student: And the choice is completely mine?

M. Laitman: Yes, yes.

Student: So, it doesn't have to go through me? 

M. Laitman: It doesn't have to; however, you ask it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (27:47) I wanted to know if it's right that a person does an action for the others. He knows it gives contentment to the Creator, according to what he learned, according to, he doesn't feel happiness from it but he sees as much as his friends are happy from this. Meaning, in his will to receive he doesn't see any happiness or fulfillment, or any gain. But, on the other hand, there are friends besides him, and they're very happy about the action. So, those friends, that's a type of his vessel of bestowal, that they are happy?

M. Laitman: No. 

Student: So what, is it a confusion or?

M. Laitman: He didn't discover it yet. 

Student: So, what does it mean that the friends are happy and he isn't? 

M. Laitman: They're happy in their vessels of reception and he's not happy from that. Because for him, those are not the vessels. 

Student: Where, or what will, the fact that they're happy, he needs to be happy from that? 

M. Laitman: Could be. 

Student: That's the effort he needs to do, right? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (29:20) I want to continue also what the friend said and you told him to attack. Here, he writes that a person's work is to enjoy everything he receives. And from this, he gives contentment to the Creator. And also, the Creator enjoys that, the bestowal. So, on one hand, a person sees his environment, he gets pleasure or some kind of degree. On the other hand, there is no pleasure, no true pleasure it's temporary. But it's not enough, it's not life, that's what I feel. So, maybe I'm mistaken but it's not life. If, really to be in true life is to be in spiritual pleasure – in some connection as it says – equivalence of form, to be in equivalence of form with the Creator. But there is no connection with the Creator. Let's say in the beginning of the path, there was a lot of pleasure, greatness of the Creator. But now it's, I feel like He doesn't want connection with me. Or, my ego isn't willing to receive what He wants to give. So, what should I do in such a state? 

M. Laitman: Ask the Creator. Ask, pray for not having fuel; continue onwards for not seeing before you the correct compensation. That's all things you need to raise to the Creator.

Student: Why is He doing that? 

M. Laitman: So that you will ask from Him in a real manner, internal manner and powerful manner. 

Student: If there are no forces for that? 

M. Laitman: Then, you have yet to get to the inner shattering, the inner breaking. 

Student: I liked what the friend said that we connect, we want adhesion and He just gives opposite qualities instead of giving more love.

M. Laitman: There's nothing to do, we need to get accustomed to love what He gives out to us, to each and everyone. As much as each receives, we should be satisfied that as if he received a complete world. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (33:39) So, the goal is to discover the will to receive that disturbs you from bestowing, right? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So, if a person gets darkness, it's like a good father raising him. He says, here, don't use that world to receive the corporeal fillings, you really won't have pleasure there. But come, see, I'm giving you this new path. So, actually, if we look at the darkness as a person raising the child, even though it's not pleasant. If the child wants this education, so it's a gift because he recognizes the father that's raising him and loving. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: That's what I wanted to ask. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (34:27) I heard you told the friend that if there's not enough forces, he didn't reach that inner shattering. How do you reach that inner shattering? 

M. Laitman: We'll talk about that. There's no time for that right now. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (34:50) To continue the friend, in the end he said, he had this discernment that he said, we need additional forces, I can't do this alone. So, my question is must a person need the whole Ten to be together with him in this breakthrough? With the attack, like you said to the friend, he needs everybody together. Or if he adds everyone together, a person, alone in the Ten, has this attack and inspiration. And he adds everyone to him, and he puts their control on him, and he can break ahead on his own. Is there such a thing, or must he have everyone together in that same tendency? 

M. Laitman: I have no such examples, I can't tell you.

Student: What do you recommend in an attack? 

M. Laitman: How can I recommend if I have yet to see in my lifetime such examples? I understand you and these examples are wonderful. But I didn't see how they clothe in life. 

Student: That, what a person does it alone or you must do it together?

M. Laitman: That together and alone. Not this and not that.

Student: So, how do you attack? What are the important components to implement the attack that it will succeed?

M. Laitman: I don’t know, I don’t know.