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Daily Lesson (Morning) March 6, 2024

Part 3: Baal HaSulam. Body and Soul 

Reader: Hello, we are learning Baal HaSulam's article Body and Soul. We have come to the subheading Revealed and Concealed. You can find it in the writings of Baal HaSulam and on our sites, the article Body and Soul under the subheading Revealed and Concealed.

Reading: (00:26) “Revealed and Concealed, Today’s science has…”

Student: (04:33) How is humanity supposed to discover things if it's not going to study what's concealed?

M. Laitman: What does it mean to research? 

Student: I don't know, but it's said that in the concealed matter, it's not even allowed to even a little bit of studying because there's no real basis here. 

M. Laitman: Right. 

Student: What's to investigate here? We see in this world, all development is from study, from research. All our technology, everything that we have is from studying and all our understanding or medicine, everything is that from observing and studying. 

M. Laitman: Those are things that are revealed to us, but what to do with what isn't revealed? How can we approach them? 

Student: But all our study turns to something that's unclear and unknown, and we're studying it. It's not revealed to us.

M. Laitman: He says this, “That all the knowledge we already have revealed and know from our attempts, of actual practical dealing with it, that is called revealed, and whatever we don't know yet, how to accept it, that is supposedly concealed.” So, what are you saying? 

Student: How will he discover the concealed if he doesn't study it? How does he study the concealed?

M. Laitman: Yes, but you will reveal what is revealed and then researchers study more and more because it's something that gets revealed from above.

Student: If it's already revealed, what do I need to study? It's already revealed.

M. Laitman: But you still don't know what to do with it. If you see that it's revealed before you, you are allowed to research it and work with it.

Student: How to study, how to approach the revealed? How can we study it?

M. Laitman: I guess according to your senses. What else are you researching with?

Student: I don't know. 

M. Laitman: Your four senses, no more.

Student: If something is concealed?

M. Laitman: Whatever is concealed don't research because it will bring you to imaginations. That's already philosophy or imagination and there's nothing actual in it.

Student: (07:56) What's the point of studying the revealed? What does it give? 

M. Laitman: It makes order in the things that are revealed to us.

Student: I understand that to make order, you need to rise to a higher degree, so what's the point in studying and engaging what's revealed, when it's understanding, its interpretation is revealed from rising even higher up so the work is not clear. What is there a need for engaging in what's revealed because it's already from within your mind already which is also not something that appears as a beneficial action. 

M. Laitman: No, we must research what is revealed, and in the exact same way, approach what's concealed, and not reveal, not to try even to reveal the concealed because it's clear that in the concealed, we will make mistakes, and we won't even know where we're mistaking and whatever is revealed you can use.

Student: How do we use what is revealed? 

M. Laitman: Here, please, whatever is revealed to you from nature, and you understand it, and you research and you find the root of the matter, so please keep going. 

Student: From the study of the revealed, do I find the root? 

M. Laitman: Medication, I don't know, it's things that, physics, chemistry, biology, those things that we find from researching the revealed. 

Student: (09:56) They say one should not judge by what his eyes see. The problem is, who's the judge? Because if two judges look at what's happening in reality one says, this is good, the other one says, this is bad, one says this is black, the other one says white. What is this point of even in the revealed, forget the concealed what is really, one should not judge by what his eyes see? 

M. Laitman: So, in the Torah, there are laws that we must keep in order to reach the middle between all those judges.

Student: What does that mean? 

M. Laitman: That we need to research the judge, each and every one, and to see whether they are in the right intellectual force and that we can count on them. 

Student: I'm trying to talk even on the most fundamental, basic, corporeal level, not something that's concealed.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Today, the reality around us is on such a confusing level that even the simplest of things, seemingly the simplest things, have all kinds of interpretations, like this or like that, these say this and some say the opposite of that. So I'm asking whether there is something in this wisdom that we're learning that can help guide humanity to look at the revealed, forget the concealed and understand what you're seeing. 

M. Laitman: No. You can't separate between revealed and concealed because in everything revealed that you're going to research, you right away bump into the concealed, where it came from, why is it like that, according to which laws it's working. 

Student: Okay, that says that this judge that we're talking about, must have some understanding, if we're a judge that we want to rely upon, trust, it has to have a matter of concealed in him also, because otherwise?

M. Laitman: No. That's why Kabbalists gave us a limit that is very clear. What's revealed and what’s concealed.

Student: The truth is, as time passes, and we're talking about the last few years even, that which is revealed is becoming more and more confusing and concealed and confused in reality, meaning it used to be very clear about many things that today are really not clear, all kinds of things that you knew that this is how it needs to be, today you're looking at reality and you're hearing opinions in every possible direction. And I'm saying, the wisdom of Kabbalah, I feel that it's the truth, it's the foundation of everything. I'm trying to find something in this wisdom that we can take and put it upon the simple things, forget the world and the high things, let's put that on the side. But just in this world of ours, to look at it and say, and receive some way to, some flashlight that says to a person here, this is the truth, go in that way, who's that judge that I can trust, that I can say, I can go to him and ask him, today? 

M. Laitman: Yes, very confusing. 

Student: (13:51) Maybe I'll continue, I think I understand what he's saying. Today we're in such a reality that anything could be unclear, nothing is clear, even everything that's revealed, it's not clear what a man is, what a woman is, it's not clear if what we see on the news is real, it's not clear if a picture that you see is real, today it's not clear if someone who's violent is the one who's the attacker or the attacked, or to blame or not, nothing is clear. You can argue about anything, there's no truth, there's nothing to go by, no foundations. How do you see this? Why does it happen? Why do we enter such a world that is so, I don't want to say, surrealistic in a manner? 

M. Laitman: Because the Creator, which in Gematria is nature, wants to bring us to a state that we are completely, that we'll never find truth or false, black or white, good and bad, and so on. 

Student: Exactly, so, why the confusion? What characterizes this confusion, you just can't find where it's top and where it's bottom, why is it like that? 

M. Laitman: So everybody will feel hopelessness in our world, that they can't understand how they exist, why they exist especially for what purpose they exist, that everybody will feel that it's like that.

Student: Is the confusion a necessary proceeding stage towards? 

M. Laitman: To come to prayer to the Creator, that there's no other choice but everybody will cry out to the Creator and He will save us. 

Student: Meaning that a person needs to be confused?

M. Laitman: All the way.

Student: Because you see this on a social level, on a global way? 

M. Laitman: All the way, that we have no future if we don't understand the present, and the present we can't understand, because it's not even in our forces, we don't have vessels for it. It's not that we're confused, so you can supposedly solve this confusion, but we cannot exist without the upper force, we can't organize ourselves in this world.

Student: Meaning that the confusion is not so that we ourselves will find a new order, but rather so that we will understand that we don't have the ability to understand how to arrange the world.

M. Laitman: Right. We have no ability to come to a state that we will control or understand or develop from it. What?

Student: (17:01) A person on this path reads the sources and learns. How does he know what his inner border is between concealed and revealed, how does he define that? 

M. Laitman: For now he doesn't have any, that's why he doesn't know, he doesn't see, he doesn't have any, for now.

Student: So what, do you have to say that everything's concealed? 

M. Laitman: He doesn't have to say anything if he doesn't know. So, he doesn't know? Whether there's a limit or not? 

Student: We do need to define some kind of boundary, a border there, right? 

M. Laitman: You need them when you have such forces but if you don't so you don't? Okay.

Student: (18:07) Thank you, Rav. In the work between us, is it worthwhile to concentrate more on the efforts and the practical actions that we do throughout the day, right? If I for example, engage in feelings and I feel the friends in the heart and think about them, I can't with certainty know where I am. How will this work be practical and not be confusing or be in our imagination? 

M. Laitman: That's what we're gradually learning, to reach a state that it'll be clear how to do what the Creator's expecting of us. 

Student: How can we approach the connection in a revealed manner, in a manner that's tangible? That's the question.

M. Laitman: Same answer. Same question and same answer.

Student: (19:02) How to study in the right way? What questions are okay to ask? 

M. Laitman: I don't have an answer for that. Just keep studying. 

Student: With what action? If I have a deficiency, I raise my hand up, I ask you, and I hope that I or a friend in the Kli will understand something from that question. But in the article it says, don't dig into things that are concealed. 

M. Laitman: We'll keep studying and we hope we'll learn something from that. That's it. For now, we'll end with that. Until tomorrow. Thank you.