March 3, 2023 Transcription
Transcription is made from simultaneous translation which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio
Part 2:
Working in Ascents and Descents - Selected Excerpts from the Sources. #5
Reading #5 (00:29) The Descent He has Received is for His Own Good...”
1. S. (02:58) Yes it's really an idea, how can we understand that, what does it mean that the ascent is for the purpose of assent? Meaning that you feel terrible you feel in the ground so how can we understand that's for an assent?
R. You tell me, what's the difference between an ascent and a descent.
S. In an ascent it's easy it is easy for you and in a descent you're half dead.
R. Meaning you're talking about your emotion, how much your mood is up or down.
S. Right.
R. If you're not talking about the ups and downs of your mood but rather being close or from the purpose of life.
S. What do you want to tell me from this?
R. I want to ask.
S. What are you asking?
R. Can you measure your state not if you're up or down by your mood but forward or backward from the purpose of life.
S. The question is what is the purpose of life I want in my life? I want to feel good, I don't want to feel bad?
R. Where you should go is to a place where drugs are being sold and buy some and then you'll feel good.
S. It's clear that I'm not going to go buy drugs, but in our work in our tens even yesterday morning I don't want to say who but friends felt terrible, and I said you need to feel good there’s a Creator, and they said what Creator, I feel terrible I feel half dead. How can I awaken from that situation when he's dead, you feel that you're speaking to no one, to a wall. How can we relate to this idea that from the descent he receives an assent, it feels not normal?
R. It feels not normal, but I can tell you many times I was in a state of descent, I was very sick and for a long time and Rabash used to tell me you don't know, you don't acknowledge, you're not aware of how much it is for your own good. That how much this is for you.
S. You remind me that in the Congress how you don't feel good in your state and how you awoke from that. You seem to have the strength to do that, I don't know where you got the strength to do that, maybe you can reveal it to us but when a person feels bad or sick to go on a stage before a thousands of people and awaken himself, what can he do?
R. What can I do if a thousand people come over?
S. I don't know how you do that?
R. I simply do it because a thousand people came so I have to appear before them.
S. How can a friend who feels terrible, let's say I am among them and I'm not feeling terrible today, but I have people around me, I hear about them. How can they awaken so that they all feel good and I feel terrible? What am I supposed to do and what does the Wisdom of Kabbalah recommend for this state?
R. Overcome it.
S. How?
R. You simply overcome it. Take some air inside, press on yourself from the inside and you overcome it.
S. If they fail, what do they do?
R. If you fail you overcome again.
S. What does it mean you overcome?
R. Overcome a situation is that I want to throw everything away and shut my eyes and to say I am sick, let go of me. It comes to me a few times a day.
S. To you?
R. Yes.
S. How do you overcome that, what do you think about that? Sorry that I enter your private matters but what do you think when you are going on stage, I see people with tears in their eyes in terms of the efforts that you are making. You don't feel good, how do you do that? Precisely when you felt bad everyone felt very very connected, and it hurt our hearts to see that but how do you do that?
R. Tell me, did you ever see your wife being sick but getting up because she has to take care of the children?
S. Yes it's a wonder how she does that.
R. Why can't you understand this about others?
S. I also talk about myself, how can I awaken myself?
R. We're not talking about you, you're a lost case. We're talking about people who can stand up, overcome and make an action for people whom they love, for the friends, maybe even for the world. What are you talking about?
S. I have a question for you, friends in the ten who feel terrible, sick half dead. How can we as a ten leave the world alone? How can we as a ten help each other exit this mess?
R. First of all pray, each one prays in his heart asking the Creator to help that sick person. I feel for many friends, especially the women that are praying, asking and wanting me to be healthy and be in the lesson. Yes, that's how it is and it helps me a lot. How will I be like in a theater when I'm sick, no. I have to really appear like it seems that I am healthy and I have the force and the persistence and I care. How can I not do that?
S. You have the strength, but we don't have such strength we don't have the strength that you have. That's why I'm asking how do you get the strength to do that through the friends. Really a person who is in spirituality can he just overcome any blow any sorrow that he receives?
R. It doesn't matter if you're in spirituality or in corporeality, it all depends on the importance of the goal that one puts before his eyes.
S. You say we need more importance? Yes, I understand and Thank You very much.
R. I'm looking at the friends that are now on the screen, how much they are expecting to reach the purpose of life to spirituality, through connection, through the revelation of the Creator, so why should I stop their connection with the Creator, how can it be that I will do that? I have to be in my place, I have to speak, I have to do something or act, I have to be the connector. This is how each and every one of you, because it's a network and each one is a thread that has to be a connector between everyone and the Creator.
S. Meaning we need to show a personal example to everyone?
R. Right.
S. Even when it's not so nice for us?
R. That's right.
2. S. (12:17) When I acquire a new skill that I revealed by myself, is that what causes me to be sick because I don't succeed to rise above the state that I am in, above time and space and connect with the friends or what causes us to feel sick and can we connect that to the connection between us?
R. We are sick when we are not getting a connection with the Creator through the friends. The moment I have a connection with the Creator through the friends I feel I am healthy. It is a law of nature, it is a law of reality, so let's strengthen the connections between ourselves. We will certainly feel ourselves sometimes very very disconnected, and the Creator will organize all kinds of disconnections on purpose, and I will understand that He does that only so we can come closer and hold a stronger higher more powerful degree of connection. That's how it is.
3. S. (14:35) When he feels contentment is he brought down from his state of integrity?
R. Yes.
4. S. (15:09) Yesterday after the noon lesson we met with our ten for the first time after the Congress and we detected a very special, very interesting state for the first time for me. That we have to get to know each other again, we have to put up the ten as new and the old bases are gone and we don't feel it's a part of us anymore. It’s as if the volume of the whole world group entered into our group that we have to build the connections in the ten again. When I see other groups together I miss them. We're open towards each other but I'm afraid to press on the deficiency for the friends. How to connect again in the connection that will unite us?
R. With love, relate to each other with love and everything will be okay and nothing bad can happen.
S. Why did we feel this way, can you help us understand?
R. It's in order to give opportunity anew and to connect on a new degree.
5. S. (16:59) When a person acts before his ten as if he is in an ascent, is that considered the beginning of a true ascent?
R. You can consider that as a beginning and ascent you are right.
6. S. (17:28) Does it help the Kabbalist to come out of a descent if they know the rules of the development of the desire? Does it help them discern what point they are and what they should do?
R. When the emotion doesn't work you can activate the intellect and through that with its help do all kinds of changes. You need to work either in emotions in the heart or in the mind. You can work with both of them, but it happens where there is only one opportunity as well.
7. S. (18:35) How can we discover what ascents and descents from the corrected state are, because now our vessels are corrupt?
R. How can we reveal ascents and descents in connection with friends, am I close with them, directed at them or am I distant and becoming more distant from them? Those are the states.
Excerpt 6 (19:50) “A Person Must Believe that the Fact…”