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Daily Lesson (Morning) December 19, 2024.
Part 3: “To Bestow in Order to Bestow” - Selected Excerpts from the Sources. Item #7.
Reader: We will read sources on the topic of “Bestowing in Order to Bestow”. We'll continue from excerpt number seven. You can find the material in the study materials tab in your web system. You can also send questions live through the sites.
7. RABASH, Article No. 668, "In a Place Where Repentants Stand"
Reading: (00:27) "Complete righteous” means “right line,” when one learns Torah Lishma [for Her sake], called “bestowing in order to bestow.” “Repentants” means receiving in order to bestow. The act is called reception, meaning moving away, but through the intention, he returns the act to its root. This is called repentance, when he returns to his root. This is Teshuva [repentance], when [the letter] Hey returns to [the letter] Vav.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:18) It says here that complete righteous means a state of bestowing in order to bestow, and repentance means receiving in order to bestow. Complete righteous sounds like a more advanced state. It's the complete righteous and and yet, it's only a state of bestowing in order to bestow. Why?
M. Laitman: That's the order of things.
Student: So, first complete righteous, then repentance?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (03:08) Reception before bestowing in order to bestow is the same reception as receiving in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: Reception is working with the vessels of reception.
Student: So, the question is, if it's the same vessels of reception before bestowing in order to bestow and in receiving in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: If so, so?
Student: So, it's not clear, what gives you bestowing in order to bestow. How does that change the forms of the vessels of reception in before and after?
M. Laitman: It's a question. I don't want to be opposite if your assumption isn't right.
Student: So, here too, what new vessels of reception exist after bestowing in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: To receive in order to bestow, that's a higher degree.
Student: Yes, the question is, whether the vessel of reception develops into something else where it's the same vessels of reception and on top of them, there's another layer, which is different.
M. Laitman: If you decide to work in them on behalf of receiving in order to bestow, by that, you're opening it more.
Student: Opening them by what?
M. Laitman: By your decision.
Student: Yes, but how can the decision be in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: By your decision.
Student: What state happens in the person that makes his decision, that he can now make his reception in order to bestow? What changed in him?
M. Laitman: What changed is, that also the vessels of reception, all of them, he is able to invert into vessels of bestowal.
Student: What does it mean that he's capable, what lies in this statement?
M. Laitman: That with them, he's doing actions of bestowal.
Student: Is that work towards the Creator, the Ten?
M. Laitman: Towards the Creator.
Student: And the preparation for it is what?
M. Laitman: The preparation that he acquires vessels of bestowal.
Student: Acquire vessels of bestowal and work with them to receive in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: He's working in them to bestow in order to bestow. And then, discovers his vessels of reception and works in them, also in receiving in order to bestow.
Student: Do new vessels form in that transition from bestowing in order to bestow to receiving in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: He discovers them.
Student: Vessels that beforehand he didn't work with.
M. Laitman: Vessels of reception?
Student: Yes.
M. Laitman: He didn't work with them.
Student: So, he didn't work with them, they weren't apparent to him before. And that happened because he worked to bestow in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, with respect to what discernment these new vessels of reception form? What does that desire to receive want, what does that vessel of reception want to attract?
M. Laitman: He wants to receive the upper light inside himself and to keep it for himself.
Student: That new attraction, does he activate it in accordance with how much he knows it will be in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: He activates it, you could say, without limits.
Student: Because he has this understanding or decision, that he can work in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: That is the Creator giving.
Student: And that happens before he attracts light into these vessels? The Creator gives him this knowledge before that?
M. Laitman: No. The Creator now can give him the forces to be in them.
Student: And in that state, is there another prayer request? It sounds like you just received the force from the Creator to act.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, there is no additional prayer or request here in that state?
M. Laitman: New vessels on his behalf, the prayer itself becomes a vessel.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (08:53) I heard now, he wants to receive the upper light and keep it within, it's his. What's the condition to keeping the light?
M. Laitman: That his vessel won't be refined.
Student: What does it mean, that it won't be refined?
M. Laitman: Won't be refined, won't lose the Aviut [coarseness] and the screen.
Student: And, emotionally, what does it mean?
M. Laitman: That he won't lose importance of the vessel, and the way the light is received in the vessel.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (10:26) What is the act? He writes that complete righteousness is the right line, then he writes, that repentance means receiving in order to bestow, and then it's like there's a jump. The act is called “reception”. What is the act?
M. Laitman: The act that he's working with the vessels of reception.
Student: But the act he means here, is something the Creator caused him, or it's an action of some sort that he does?
M. Laitman: No, the Creator is now causing him.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:18) We want to reach bestowal. The first thing we need to do is to reach the action of restriction, right?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Now, our restriction is not like we learn about the first restriction. Let's say, for us, what's relevant for us? A person comes to a state where the Ten really becomes important to him, he wants to serve them, he feels close to them, he loves them, and he wants to push them towards the Creator. Is that a correct path and course of action to achieve restriction?
M. Laitman: And what then?
Student: Because before the restriction, before the Creator gives this power to make the restriction, you can't make a spiritual action. It's just yearning, and longing, and kind of preparation acts to demand, to be worthy of demanding the Creator the restriction?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: If this is the course of action, this line I described to really demand the Creator to give us the restriction? To just be devoted to the Ten, and it's felt, there's a concern towards the Ten, to love them, to serve them, bring them close to the Creator, that becomes your thought every moment, every day?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And then on top of that, you ask for the restriction? Is that a correct preparation?
M. Laitman: How can you ask for a restriction on something you haven't felt before?
Student: I want the restriction to give me the actual force to be able to bestow.
M. Laitman: You want?
Student: Yes, that I will truly be able to bestow.
M. Laitman: Where do you have preparations for this?
Student: From the connections between us. There's a closeness formed between us. There's a desire that didn't exist before. When you start taking the others into account, wanting for them, you don't think of yourself.
M. Laitman: On what account do you want to not take into consideration, or do take into consideration, the others?
Student: From that point of adhesion with the Creator. The point of adhesion with the Creator is something abstract. To make it tangible, and real, and not just imaginary, it has to be clothed in something. That's something, that is the Ten, and then the point of adhesion truly becomes real. When you want to adhere to the Creator, OK, everyone wants to adhere to the Creator, but what are you really asking for? So, this becomes my concern, this is my life, this is my vessel. Help us here.
M. Laitman: On what foundation are you coming with?
Student: From the common efforts that we make in the Ten. Mostly, with respect to the Ten, also with respect to the group. What other calling card can I present to the Creator? Who am I to demand anything?
M. Laitman: Well?
Student: So, out of making efforts between us on top of whatever happens, to always go forward, to connect, to come closer, to bring contentment to the friend, to the Creator, to try and do what the group is doing, follow that spirit. It's a different kind of spirit than the ordinary.
M. Laitman: It's the same thing, you're revolving around the same point.
Student: So, please, how can we sharpen this?
M. Laitman: That's what we want to scrutinize.
Student: Could you say something to help us?
M. Laitman: No, I have nothing to say.
Student: In the states, when we feel that we're getting closer on top of something between us in the Ten, is that not a good time for prayer, to ask the Creator for something?
M. Laitman: Prayer, there's always a good time for that.
Student: Maybe you can still say something that will...
M. Laitman: I can't say anything.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (16:01) Our basis, he writes here, that the action is called “reception”, meaning moving away. That until we reveal how opposite we are, buried in the evil inclination against the Ten, against the friends, against all of that, then we can begin getting closer to spiritual actions. He says, the act is called “reception”, meaning moving away.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, from the efforts that the friend just described, we have to discover the opposite, that we are immersed in self-reception and we're moving away from the Creator, and ask for corrections, and pray to be corrected. Then, bit by bit, He'll transform our vessels until we discover the true evil, and it weighs on us. Until then, there's no basis to everything we talk about.
M. Laitman: Are there any more solutions?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (17:21) Not a solution, but I feel the pain in what the friend asking about. He says, we make efforts in the Ten, we want, that's how I understand him, that we're trying, we're trying to get to love between us and everything that follows. And there's a sense that there's a desire? What are we lacking to achieve bestowing in order to bestow? What else are we missing to truly want that and nothing else?
M. Laitman: If now, a deficiency in the vessel of bestowal would be revealed, what would you ask for?
Student: To have someone to bestow to, friends around me, that I can do something for them. But, I also want to ask.
M. Laitman: Wait, wait, wait, wait. How do you depict to yourself a deficiency in a vessel of bestowal?
Student: That I want to do something for the friends.
M. Laitman: So simple?
Student: It's not simple at all. It means I exit myself and actually do something for the friends.
M. Laitman: So, there's some point, some sensitive point, some point of contradiction, that you don't know where it comes from.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (19:39) I want to do something for the friends and discover that I actually always want work for myself. That's the beginning. Now, I try to overcome this desire for myself and do the action nevertheless. And here I'm stuck because if I've done an action for the friends, what actually am I asking the Creator? Give me what? Cancel my work? Because there's work here, there's some inner overcoming. So, what do I want - the Creator to cancel the work? It sounds weird, what is bestowing in order to bestow? The person tries to do something for his friends, he scrutinizes, and sees that his will to receive doesn't feel like doing it, but he does it anyway for all kinds of reasons. And he overcomes something inside to do that.
M. Laitman: So, his desire to bestow was inverted towards him, supposedly, to be the will to receive.
Student: Yes, it turns out, that the person is bestowing in order to receive. Now, when a person bestows in order to receive, what exactly should he ask for, because he does some work of overcoming his will to receive?
M. Laitman: Adhesion.
Student: What does it mean? What what does it mean to ask for adhesion?
M. Laitman: It’s a new vessel. That he works with the will to bestow now. And with that will to bestow, you do want to give, to bestow.
Student: Actually, I don't know, I'm stuck here because I can't… Maybe I'm registering the action, and that's the mistake.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:40) We can understand actions. We can even feel a need for it, a force from an action for the sake of others. How do we also feel the need for intention, for the attitude to the upper one? Because then the action can be complete.
M. Laitman: That comes from above.
Student: And this depends on those actions we do?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, is it correct to say, that in the end, what I need to do is essentially that this whole game that happened here, I did all that to bring Him contentment? To somehow connect it to that ultimately?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Now, beyond just thinking about it saying that I'm doing this in order to bring contentment, what else can a person do?
M. Laitman: What did you come to?
Student: I came to such a state - I'm in the Ten, I want to do something for them, I discover that my will to receive resists, I overcome that, I do the action. Then I remember that all this game…
M. Laitman: What action?
Student: Something for them, I don't know, to prepare salad for them. I don't know.
M. Laitman: So, you are preparing a fulfillment for them.
Student: Yes, something.
M. Laitman: And that fulfillment has the vessel in them.
Student: Yes, they want it. The question: this whole thing, I now start thinking, like you said, that it's in order to reach adhesion. So, the first stage is to even remember, that this whole celebration happens to bring Him contentment, and not for the salad or for something else.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Then what? Then I think about wanting to do this to bestow contentment. Then what? What's the next step?
M. Laitman: How do you do it in a way that you study Torah Lishma, for her sake.
Student: Right, that's ultimately the question. How to do this action Lishma? That would truly be to bring Him contentment and not just to say it, not just to even think it, but that it will truly be so.
M. Laitman: In the Creator, there's another vessel of reception, supposedly, that you can open it, for me, and spill your desire to be so into there.
Student: Okay, as if, because the Creator doesn't have a will to receive, but...
M. Laitman: That's called the will to bestow in order to bestow, that’s it.
Student: So, the desire itself to reach that place you described now, that is already called bestowing in order to bestow, or at least the beginning of it.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And say, that friends now listen, and everyone will start working that way, or trying...
M. Laitman: And what, is that will to bestow special, in order to bestow, that in it you don't feel any deficiency?
Student: Yes, that's correct. It's something, you can say, I could have lived without it.
M. Laitman: What about the Creator? What does He feel in this?
Student: Yes, so how do I know to calculate what the Creator feels or doesn't feel? That's what I don't understand. To say, to bring Him contentment, I know how to do that, but... It's like something new needs to form here.
M. Laitman: About the Creator's deficiency?
Student: Yes, kind of, as if I discover the Creator's deficiency, and I fulfill that, something like that.
M. Laitman: Alright, think about it until tomorrow. It's an important point, very important point.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (26:36) It's felt more and more that I can't feel, I can't touch the vessel of the friend.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I have all my friends, but I can't do anything.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: I don't know, everything we're talking about or studying about, I feel that it takes place in a reality that I can't open, it's closed before me.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Why? And when? And how? Will I really be able to bestow to a friend? I want to bring him good, but I don't feel I have an approach to that vessel, that I can give him anything. Not to make a correction, not to do good.
M. Laitman: And if you would bestow to the Creator?
Student: If I would bestow to the Creator through the friend, I want to fulfill this good, that He wants to be between us. If that's called bestowing to the Creator, okay then. But I want to do good. I feel, I don't have who to do good to. There's a friend that's like closed in my eyes. I can make someone smile and so on, but the true interaction, I don't have an approach to that. That world is closed before me, the world of bestow. It's as if I'm stuck in a world that I'm here, he's there, and I have no connection to him. No true connection that I can feel that I can give him anything internally, and I feel it needs to be there. Such a world exists, where I can give something to the friend, and all this bestowal has to be there. Reception and bestowal between us. This connection that the Creator has to be between us. But I can't touch it, and it brings sorrow to your whole life. I'm trying to make the intention better, to get better in the preparation towards the action, that the action will be as clean as possible. But still, there's never an approach to the friend's desire. How can you bestow?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (29:28) You can bestow to the friends without there to be the will to bestow to the Creator in there?
M. Laitman: What are you doing this for?
Student: I don't know, maybe... I'm not holding the thought of the Creator, can I even bestow at all to the friends?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: No, so, with my desire to bestow to the friends there has to be a desire to bestow to the Creator, and then?
M. Laitman: No. There has to be a desire to bestow to the Creator. And therefore, you wish to bestow to the friends, because by that, you bring contentment to the Creator.
Student: Okay, so, from wanting to bestow to the Creator, I am bestowing to the friends, so the Creator will have contentment. And in that, the vessels of reception are revealed? The Creator needs the vessels of reception, so I'll be in contact with Him?
M. Laitman: The Creator needs the vessels of reception.
Student: And that's a vessel of reception where I can really give contentment to the Creator. So, you want to bestow to Him through the friends.
M. Laitman: We'll leave that for tomorrow. But think about it, try to think about it during the day.