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Daily Lesson (Morning) November 19, 2024.
Part 1: Baal HaSulam. Introduction to The Study of the Ten Sefirot. #134.
Hello, we are studying from “The Introduction to the Study of Ten Sefirot”. We're continuing with item 139. You can find it in the writings of Baal HaSulam, or on our sites, the Arvut System and Sviva Tova.
You can also send live questions through there. We're continuing in “The Introduction to the Study of the Ten Sefirot” from Baal HaSulam, item 139.
Reader: Item 139.
Reading: (00:37) 139) This is Moses’ triumph over the angels with his argument, “Is there envy among you? Is there evil inclination among you?” (Shabbat 89). That is, the greater concealment discloses a greater light. He showed them that in the pure clothes that the Torah clothes in, in the world of the angels, the greater lights cannot appear through them the way it can in dresses of this world.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:38) What are dresses of this world?
M. Laitman: Dresses of this world are the matter of the will to receive that conceals the upper light, the Creator to a great extent. And that's why, specifically from these dresses we can start our revelation.
Student: And what is this world?
M. Laitman: This world is the last degree of our connection with the Creator. And from it, we begin to ascend and attain Him.
Reader: Item 140.
Reading: (03:13) 140) We thus learn that there is no change whatsoever from the Torah de Atzilut, where “The Torah and the Creator are one” through the Torah in this world. The only difference is in the dresses, since the dresses of this world conceal the Creator and hide Him.
Know that because of His clothing in the Torah, it is called “teaching.” It tells you that even during the concealment of the face, and even during the double concealment, the Creator is present and clothed in the Torah, since He is Moreh [Teacher] and she is Torah, but the crass clothes of the Torah before our eyes are as wings that cover and hide the Teacher who is clothed and hides in them.
However, when one is granted the revelation of the face in repentance from love in its fourth discernment, it is said about him, “Your Teacher shall no longer hide Himself, and your eyes shall see your Teacher” (Isaiah 30:20). From then on, the clothes of the Torah no longer hide and conceal the Teacher, and one discovers for all time that “The Torah and the Creator are one.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (05:23) What does it mean that the Creator is clothed in the Torah?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What does it mean?
M. Laitman: That all the forms that the Torah has revealed before us, speaks to us, there you find the Creator. And specifically through a connection in the Torah we can discover Him, and thus approach the center of creation.
Student: He says that the Torah and the Creator are one. So, what's the difference between them? What's the difference between the Creator and the Torah? What clothes what here?
M. Laitman: My Creator is clothed in the Torah.
Student: So what's in the Torah that He's clothed in it?
M. Laitman: All the names, all the actions, and everything where the Torah is revealed to us, there we reveal the Creator who clothes in the Torah, who is concealed in it. And to the extent that we're capable of revealing the clothings, the dresses, to that extent we reveal the Creator.
Student: So we want to reveal the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And how is the Torah revealed, is it revealed?
M. Laitman: No, the Torah according to how it works, how it acts, if it's the Torah of the concealed or the Torah of the revealed, it depends on the connection of man with the Torah.
Student: Now for instance during the study, what's called Torah, where's the Torah here?
M. Laitman: What we learn, what we learn about reality, the upper reality where we wish to reveal the Creator, there's a Creator here, and dresses, garments that He dresses in, and all these dresses or garments collectively are called Torah?
Student: How do we reveal the Creator through the Torah?
M. Laitman: By approaching the dresses and wanting to attain them, and through them you reveal the Creator.
Student: The Creator Himself you cannot reveal because He's the light of Ein Sof, but dresses is something that both conceal Him and reveal Him. After we reveal the Creator through the Torah, do these clothes, these dressings disappear?
M. Laitman: We reveal Him through these dresses, with the help of these dresses, and that's what happens with us.
Student: And he calls it the teacher, that the Creator, through the Torah, teaches us. What does He guide us, what does He teach us?
M. Laitman: How gradually, by revealing the dresses, more and more exalted dresses, we can reveal the Creator in a higher form.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (10:20) Why specifically the coarser clothings, dressings, reveal the Creator more?
M. Laitman: It is no matter of coarser or finer dresses, thinner, higher, special, rather it all depends on a person. The extent to which a person can receive, absorb these dresses and through them reveal the Creator. In other words, it depends on the coarseness, these dresses.
Student: So actually what he's saying is that the Torah changes the person. Is a person's relation towards reality and the Torah changes that, yes?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So what does it matter what it's clothed in there, is it's clothed on the names of angels, or the names of all kinds of coarse matters, or sins, or whatnot?
M. Laitman: Specifically through the names, we reveal the Creator because otherwise, we have no connection with Him.
Student: So here's the question, he writes there in 142 that the coarser, he reveals more light, why does it matter?
M. Laitman: Because we reveal the Creator through all these dresses, and each and every dress becomes a degree of revelation.
Student: As long as the Creator is not revealed, and a person takes the Torah and looks, so you see there's names like Moses, and Aaron, and there's names like Pharaoh, and all kinds of unpleasant or coarse events. Behind it all, he needs to seek the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So what does it matter, these names or those?
M. Laitman: But specifically through them, a person reveals the Creator, His actions, and… how to put it, he has no other way of connecting to the Creator except through these dresses.
Student: These crude dresses, specifically?
M. Laitman: Yes, they're close to him.
Student: Because he identifies with them more?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And the higher, finer names he can't really contribute them to. And what's the teacher that's clothed there, that he's teaching him, what's that?
M. Laitman: When the Creator is revealed to him through the dresses, then through the dresses, with the help of the dresses specifically, a person can attain the Creator.
Student: When he sees that the Creator clothed him with dresses, what does he see? A person seeing that the Creator clothed himself with dresses, what does he learn?
M. Laitman: A person learns about the dresses of the Creator that connect a person to the Creator.
Student: So what does he have to do as a result of that? What does a person need to change to resemble the Creator?
M. Laitman: A person has to reach such states where the dresses will connect him to the Creator. And through the dresses, he will reveal specifically the qualities, the relationship between himself and the Creator.
Student: So, what action on his behalf does he have to do besides constantly seeing the Creator behind these clothings?
M. Laitman: Only adapt himself to these dresses, the clothes, the garments, then the garments will become the garments that conceal, the garments that reveal.
Student: What does it mean that he adapts himself to those dresses?
M. Laitman: He learns and he wants to connect to those forms by which the Creator wishes to appear before him.
Student: To seek them within him, to seek them with the friends, where should you look for these qualities?
M. Laitman: In all of reality, both inside of him and the reality that surrounds him, and all the stories, in all of it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:48) The principle is like the opposite relationship of vessels and lights. Is this the principle of the inverse relation of lights and vessels? By the greatest concealment, you can see the greatest light. So, we start that this is how Moses won the argument with the angels, I think there's no evil inclination between you. So we need these bad human qualities to reach revelation actually?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: But how do we use them? I don't walk around all day with love. Evil inclination, there's no shortage of. But how can I use the qualities of the lights to reach the feeling of the Creator to revelation?
M. Laitman: That depends on the preparation. If a person prepares himself correctly, then the clothing, the garments of the Torah that used to be concealing or concealed become revealing. When a person changes from the Torah of the concealed to the Torah of the revealed.
Student: Is this something we can work with now?
M. Laitman: That depends on the person.
Student: I'm asking because on one hand, when Haji Foray says when he merits the revelation of faith, then the concealing ones become the ones that reveal. And it's a very high degree. So I'm asking whether in our degree we can really work with these bad qualities, or does that only happen in those higher corrections?
M. Laitman: Our means for revealing the Creator depends on the extent to which we connect between us and feel the connection between us as a sort of area, substance on which we reveal the Creator.
Student: And beyond the connection, when the evil connection, envy is revealed, and we read in the text that these are clothings of the Creator, of the coarsest of clothings by which we can reach the highest degree of revelation. Is there something to work with them?
M. Laitman: This is what we need to receive from the Torah.
Student: This will happen under the bestowal of the light, not by anything else?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (19:10) These dresses, are they a permanent thing? Meaning, when it's mentioned the word Moses, is that a permanent force?
M. Laitman: It's a permanent force but relative to a person.
Student: So there's, let's say, for the example, the Moses that Baal HsSulam writes, and there's Moses that another Kabbalist writes, and there's a person that reads the word Moses, and in that, there are many degrees that are called Moses. And that depends on a person and how he opens that clothing. Meaning, is it a potential for that clothing?
M. Laitman: Yes, of course.
Student: And so when a Kabbalist writes these words, so Moses has a certain potential, and let's say another force has another potential, let's say Bilaam for the sake of it?
M. Laitman: Yes, of course.
Student: So then, there are actually forces here that are clothed in words, and each of these forces is like a potential force that can come to a person to help him?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And it depends on a person on how much he equalizes his form to this force?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Let's assume a person that's not yet equalized to this form, to this force. So what does he discover? Like a quarter of a percent of the force of Moses? And then how does that work? Meaning, the force of Moses works on him differently than the force of Bilaam does?
M. Laitman: Of course.
Student: What does this awaken in him, and what does that awaken in him?
M. Laitman: Different feelings, different revelations.
Student: Meaning, when we read these words, which are actually forces, each of these concepts basically awakens different things inside of us spiritually?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: For example, why don't we just read about Moses or Aaron? Why do we have to read about Bilaam as well?
M. Laitman: Perhaps this is how the Torah is revealed before us through this great diverse selection of still, vegetative, animate degrees of the world to receive. And through them, we reveal the inner worker, which is the Creator.
Student: So, through that, we reveal the richness of the Creator, the differentiation of all these forces because we're trying to make contact with the Creator actually through these forces?
M. Laitman: Whatever He wants to reveal to us, that's what we reveal.
Student: And this is revealed through different forces which you can't reveal from just one force. You need all of them.
M. Laitman: Correct.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (22:30) I'll continue the question. Is there some kind of gradual revelation of the order of the name of the Creator? What do we start with when it comes to revelation?
M. Laitman: Approach the revelation of the Creator forcefully, and you'll see that you have contact with Him, and you'll start to see the different forms through which He's revealed to you.
Student: The Creator will be revealed to me?
M. Laitman: Yes, it will be revealed according to a person's efforts.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (23:29) I would expect the action to be to remove the clothing, but here we're not talking about removing the clothing. The clothing remains, and the clothing that was concealment becomes a clothing of revelation?
M. Laitman: Let's say it's like that.
Student: He writes here that the Creator clothes the Torah, and he expresses clothings of this world. Meaning, all the reality that's before us, we should also look at it as a clothing of the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: That doesn't need to be removed, but to see through it what is not apparent to me as the reality of the Creator. This reality remains, but it becomes this?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (24:28) You mentioned the correct preparation for engagement in the Torah. So, what's the correct preparation for a person?
M. Laitman: The correct preparation is when we understand that's what revealed to us, that spirituality is in the connection between us. How much will be connected as one man and one heart, and accordingly, in that one heart, the inner reality will be revealed.
Student: As a Ten, we're here in the morning lesson, and all throughout the day we read the sources, what's demanded of us, what's even to lose ourselves inside the text, to feel, to revive the words of Baal HaSulam between us?
M. Laitman: I didn't get it.
Student: How is the Ten, or what's demanded from us as a Ten as we read the Torah, every day we read it several times, what's demanded from each and every one of us during the reading of the text in order to vitalize these words and make them live in our soul?
M. Laitman: What's required of us is to try and connect ourselves to the Torah in such a way that we'll be able to reveal the Torah relative to us, relative to our coarseness, the connection between us, those lights that we scrutinize from our starting point, our usual state until the spiritual state.
Student: As a Ten, we need to be in that same frequency?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (27:23) Yesterday you said that reflected light, according to our request, becomes a clothing from below upwards to the action of the Creator. So the Creator bestows to the group from above down. What does it mean that we, from below upwards are clothing upon His action?
M. Laitman: The Creator is to reveal Himself to us this way, and the way of the created beings is to reveal Him this way.
Student: What is this action of clothing upon our action?
M. Laitman: He is bestowing to us because we reveal from the worst substance, the coarsest, the most distant from the Creator, and we need to purify ourselves. In this way come to a state where we will be together with Him in some contact, and then it turns out that all of our actions, our words will be in prayers, and all the actions that the Creator will do accordingly will influence us, will be revealed in us.
Student: So let's say that as a result of His bestowal we are in our uncorrected state, and it's clothed on many individual states that we feel in the Ten. And then from this, we're supposed to connect together?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And what's next?
M. Laitman: We need to connect together and try that connection together to rise to a higher degree.
Student: What does that mean that we were going to rise to a higher degree?
M. Laitman: That the connection between us will become more exalted, more refined in its deficiency, our inclination, a revelation. In this way, we are building our spiritual vessel where each time we can change it so that we will reveal the influence of the Creator from a higher place each time.
Reader: Maybe we can read again. So we are going to read again items 139 and 140.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (33:41) Can I continue?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, from a certain state that we feel between us, maybe I'll jump forward a little bit. The feeling is that if we manage to overcome a disturbance, a lack of connection that we feel, then it's there that this whole matter is of revealing His attitudes towards us. So this compression of the connection between us, which needs to be more powerful, more deeper, more pure every moment, this moment, this pressure, this energy, the force to do this, where do we take it from?
M. Laitman: Basically it comes to us from the degrees.
Student: Under what condition?
M. Laitman: We are making efforts to approach a higher degree each time.
Student: I can sit and say I am making efforts, but in this effort there is no force to do it. Where does the force come from?
M. Laitman: When you are learning Torah in a group and you are trying to become acquainted with your state and the group's state together, higher states, then it is revealed to you, and this force, this power is revealed more.
Student: As more of a disturbance, more of a deficiency. But why isn't there like forces in my efforts, let's say towards the friends there is no force. Why? Because the effort is not correct?
M. Laitman: You don't have the source of power that's the Creator.
Student: His force eventually needs to clothe on our efforts, somehow to enter our effort like electricity, like energy?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Under which condition does this happen?
M. Laitman: The condition of equivalence of form.
Student: He is saying that if one of us feels that he doesn't have the force to perform this exertion, he has to correct, it means he has to correct his direction?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So this direction connection, where do we take it from?
M. Laitman: From the fact that He is concealed.
Student: Who is concealed?
M. Laitman: It is this force, the Creator, He is concealed, and we can approach his revelation through connections between us.
Student: If I receive it as a given, a condition, that He is revealed, then we have to reveal Him. I try to do a connection, it's like a wall, it's not going, there's no forces whatsoever, it's not even another wall, it's just no forces. And I say, okay, I need to correct my direction to more bestowal, more pure. I have to come to like a pure, more real definition here, how do I get to that?
M. Laitman: Also from the Creator you get it.
Student: And what's my effort here?
M. Laitman: A person's effort is to be as close as possible to it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (38:11) This sentence where the Creator says, I wish they would leave me and kept my Torah. It's a very sharp sentence here. And it's not from the excitement of the Creator, he says, you know what, leave me and learn first. It's all from the Torah, it's a sentence from a whole place. What is he talking about this sentence? Bottom line, what is he talking about?
M. Laitman: That if you don't want to reveal Me but only My connection with you, My actions they will be in resemblance with Me, then you'll succeed.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (39:19) The Creator is light. So why in advance do we receive his names? I need, according to my qualities to discover Him, to discover His names. So why is it all defined in advance, that there's a Torah, there are names, it's not from me. The number of names are limited, so what stands behind all of this?
M. Laitman: What's behind all that are forces, states, connections. The revelation of the light. It's clothing in the vessels.
Student: But I'm supposed to discover this.
M. Laitman: That's the way.
Student: From below upwards. Why is it not constructed this way in advance? Why is it written in advance? What, to draw the light from the same states?
M. Laitman: However, it's revealed. It's revealed from above down. And we need to reveal it from below up.
Student: So where is the development? In what?
M. Laitman: The development is when we connect between us more and more. And we arrange more correctly. Through our efforts, the connection between us. Deeper. Higher. More internal. And in it, the force of the Creator, the light is revealed.
Student: So that's not my work. It's the work of the Ten. My Ten needs to discover these names.
M. Laitman: A new inside the Ten.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (41:15) You said earlier, to feel the connection between us as a field, a matter upon which the Creator is revealed. Can this connection also be active? Meaning, that we connect now in the Ten and say, come on, today we want to reveal this force called Moses. That's the way for something to be revealed. We're inviting like this. With a little audacity.
M. Laitman: It's not insolence. It's as if we're an action that you do with all these kind of ghosts. And then we'll reveal the Moses.
Student: But then it's not like that. We simply need to nullify and just await for what will be revealed, or expect that something will be revealed to us?
M. Laitman: Yes, according to the degrees. The point of view of vessels. We have to reveal our connection tighter, stronger, more closed. And that will bring us to a state where it has to be revealed in the internality and the connection between us. And for it to appear.
Student: And how will we know how to name it by names?
M. Laitman: A light that shines, it arranges us, it gives us an opportunity to recognize it.
Student: Meaning you can feel that when it's a state inside the Ten. There's a state where you feel it. You can even summarize that we all feel the same. To give it a name that's already something very precise.
M. Laitman: What do you want?
Student: How do you name something that we feel?
M. Laitman: According to the attainment. We haven't attained anything internally, so we can't name it yet.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (43:51) It's written that the coarser clothings of the Torah are like wings that cover and hide the teacher whose clothing hides in them. So, what are these wings?
M. Laitman: It's what conceals the Creator from us.
Student: And what is… there such a thing between us and the Ten that's called wings?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, what is it actually in the Ten? What is wings in the Ten?
M. Laitman: Something that conceals the Creator from us.
Student: Okay, so what's the teacher?
M. Laitman: The teacher is the upper force from which the Torah comes to us.
Student: And also, when the Torah comes to him, so actually part of what he receives is actually those wings that you talked about? That's also from Him, this concealment?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (45:23) We're told that behind every friend is the Creator. Now, just like everything in reality, a person can… it gives a person different impressions, but we want from these endless impressions to seek the Creator, to find the Creator. And my question is, how do you pay attention, how do you put our attention such that I will reveal the Creator behind the friend? What do I need to seek?
M. Laitman: You need to seek the power, the motivating power, the power that advances, that opens up. And then in all your activities with the friends, you will find this force, the Creator.
Student: What happens when through the friend I receive impressions that are completely opposite to that force that you described? What do I need to do? Where is my effort? To search, meaning I simply need to increase the force of that search, of that thing in that friend?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (47:05) We're talking about reinforcing the connection between us and to reveal repentance from love. And he says that it opens our eyes. What's to open our eyes on the path?
M. Laitman: To open your eyes along the way means that you reveal the degree of your connection to the friends. You reveal in this connection with the friends, you reveal this upper force.
Student: He says there's Torah, and there are teachers. And the opening of the eyes reveals to us the teachers. What does it mean, the teachers? What does it mean that I discover in my opening of my eyes the teachers?
M. Laitman: Force. The human force. That surrounds everything. In essence, the Creator will receive him. He arranges everything from the side of the lower one. And the Creator takes him in, arranges him.
Student: Following what the friend asked, where do we get the strength to continue the path, to reinforce one another? That's from strengthening ourselves, opening the path to ourselves more and more from the connection between us?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Then we ask the Creator to strengthen the connection between us. And then we open up more and more this path, this concealment. And we reveal more and more the friend, the force of love and bestowal between us?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (49:47) In the work between us, the connection between us where we work with the aim of reaching Lishma, revealing the Creator. Whenever we have questions in the workshop, I personally have this question, to what extent can I open what I feel, I don't know how to call it, the secrets of one's heart, how to not confuse the friends and open it up? For example, today in the preparation I said something that I feel for years, but I never felt the confidence to bring it out. So, you mentioned this the day before about the connection, how you as a teacher, you have to hide things and we, in our work, we have to pass between us and work together in the connection. So, how should a person check himself when he's working with the friends and the connection between us in order to pass it along?
M. Laitman: Only from within the connection. Only from within the connection, it's clarified how equal he is, how different he is, what's required of that. It's all from the actions.
Question (Revadim): (51:30) How can our exertion as a Ten reveal the clothing or the dresses of the Creator in the Torah?
M. Laitman: It reveals the clothing, it advances us from a coarser external garment to a more internal garment, a thinner garment.
Question (Latin 11): (52:00) How should we work with the concealment in the Ten in order to reveal the Creator? How do we in the Ten need to work with the concealment in order to reveal the Creator?
M. Laitman: Only in greater connection between us. I can't find a different answer here.
Question (Woman Heb 2): (52:31) How does a person identify the clothings of the Creator?
M. Laitman: When he wants to resemble Him, to approach Him, then he checks himself, to what extent he can be close to Him, then he checks the clothings, the garments. Through the garment with the help of the garment, he reveals the Creator.
Student: How can a person relate correctly to the clothings that the Creator has revealed to them and cleaves to them?
Question (Woman Turkey 9): (53:42) How does a person move his revelations to the friends? How does a person pass his revelations to the friends?
M. Laitman: He can't share it directly. When he's with them together in this inner effort, in revealing more internal clothings of the Creator, then with that he advances together with them. He advances them.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:39) The Creator says that I am not in any place but the Torah.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: In our reality, the Creator is not felt. What does it mean to engage in the Torah such that we can start to feel the Creator through this engagement? What is the Torah that you can engage in in such a form? We know that we can read, we can read from the books, and that's called that we're engaging in the Torah. Of course, there needs to be a certain intention, a certain preparation, but that's where it's happening. Does it happen in some other form? Can human beings do something else other than to read in the Torah, in this book, or in the holy books? Is there something else?
M. Laitman: Of course, there's something else besides reading. Even a small child can read. Any person off the street who just learned the alphabet can read. To read means that you're entering a more internal layer, and you wish to discover the relationships between the heroes of the stories of the Torah.
Student: So that's only in the reading or hearing of the text, it's strange that this is the only form that the Creator delivered to us.
M. Laitman: There is an inner feeling, but for that you have to reach it.
Student: It's clear that we need preparation in the reading in order to feel the Torah as a clothing to the Creator. But is this the only form in which the Creator received, only in reading in a book? Only in this form of reading, that's the only form, or is…
M. Laitman: There are other states that we read about where the Creator is revealed by himself.
Student: Without the clothing of Torah?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: But if a person wants to engage?
M. Laitman: He has to prepare the garments.
Student: And that's only through the reading in the holy books. We don't have other activities. I don't know, to go out to a picnic, to fly to the moon, anything that a person can try to go out of himself. I'm saying because I simply can't find any other action I can say that in it we discover the Creator through clothing. So is there something else besides reading?
M. Laitman: No. There isn't.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (57:59) This whole reality is the clothing of the Creator, no?
M. Laitman: Yes, that's it.
Student: All that he writes in the beginning, envy between friends, all that is clothing of the Creator, no?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, we can't… there are other things other than what the friend said?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (58:30) What's the difference between studying from a Rav, and studying from the teacher that's concealed in the Torah?
M. Laitman: A teacher who's concealed in the Torah depends only on the person reading the Torah and studying, and to learn from the teacher who's like a person, there's a great reward there, since through this teacher you can reach degrees, fulfillment, such investigations that you can't reach by yourself.
Student: Because on the other hand, he says, I wish you'd leave Me, meaning don't search for the teacher in the Torah, it's something that should come on its own. Not that we should search for the teacher? Do we not need to seek the teacher? Do we not, shouldn't we want for the teacher to, for the Creator to teach us? I don't understand what he means. The Creator needs to teach us?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What is it talking about when he says that the Creator teaches us?
M. Laitman: The Creator gives your brain the light, and by feeling the light, accepting it, perceiving it, working with it, through that you are learning from Him.
Student: Meaning from within, without understanding that it's from Him?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:00:35) What is they kept My Torah, keep My law?
M. Laitman: There are many interpretations for that, but the closest to us is the Torah divides into a part that's revealed to a person directly, and what's revealed to a person in a concealed form. And a person wishes to approach it simply, openly. And he has difficulties in concealing the Torah and how the Torah itself conceals itself for a person.
Student: Keep sounds like an action that we have to do. It's a commandment to keep the Torah, that we have to do something?
M. Laitman: Yes, commandment explains that only when you come to the Torah correctly, you can extract the reforming light from it, and learn it.
Student: What does it mean to come to the Torah in a correct way?
M. Laitman: That you will study the internality of the Torah, to extract the reforming light from it and not to learn the stories.
Student: So why is it called to keep? Why isn't it called to study?
M. Laitman: Because first of all, you have to keep the right attitude to the Torah, the right relationship to the Torah. Then later you can understand and open the stories of the Torah, what's inside.
Student: And why do we need to leave the Creator for this? I'll ask it differently. If He's the purpose of the study, if He's the intention of the study, the wisest see, I wish they leave Me and keep My Torah.
M. Laitman: Because you can't reveal the Creator directly. The Creator is unattainable, and it will always be like this. However, approaching it correctly where only through the Torah, we can reveal Him. This revelation stays with us, and this revelation is what we understand, what we can live.
Student: And eventually the goal is to reveal the Creator through this, or not?
M. Laitman: No, we don't reveal the Creator in practice. We reveal Him through clothings, through dresses. What happens later? I don't know.
Student: So we discover the clothings of the Creator? Is that what we discover?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes.
Student: I still didn't understand what we're supposed to do precisely to keep the Torah and to reveal the clothings of the Creator this way.
M. Laitman: You are not allowed to touch the Creator to demand His revelation. But you are allowed, you're allowed to study all the changes He's making in creation because it's the gap between the clothings and getting to know Him.
Student: How to correctly keep His Torah?
M. Laitman: From looking after the giver of the Torah and His attitude toward us.
Student: I'll think about it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:06:29) In that context there are two states that I identify. A person goes in the world and searches for the Creator in everything. He truly feels the force that's controlling him, and no matter what happens that he identifies, he doesn't need to correlate it. He already sees that it's the Creator. It lives in him. And there's a state that things happen kind of in potential and then he tries to correlate them to the Creator. How do we advance in this state that we're preceding this relation to the Creator and don't wait for something to happen, and then we will have to correlate it. Is it clear what I'm asking? No. How can I say it? It's hard to say in words. It's like to come to a state that let's say in the connection between us when we're close to each other, then we feel this force that sustains the connection. Now between that and between a person as things happen to him, he doesn't know why they're happening and then he relates it to the Creator somehow. He doesn't always attain that it's the Creator, but that's how he has to.
M. Laitman: What can we understand from you?
Student: How do we move from that state to the closer state to the Creator that we…
M. Laitman: Only through prayer.
Student: Prayer?
M. Laitman: Only through prayer.
Student: What to ask there in this prayer?
M. Laitman: To ask, you need to scrutinize that.
Student: Can I ask that I want to feel him closer?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: That I won't be egoistic?
M. Laitman: You can always ask for that.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:08:45) The whole introduction to TES is the... it's the introduction to The Study of the Ten Sefirot. I want to ask whether the revelation of the Creator and the quality of bestowal that we're talking about that where it sounds like we can reveal it without the study of the Zohar or of TES, I want to ask can you reveal the Creator, like what he's saying here, without studying the book of the study of the Ten Sefirot, without studying the Zohar, without studying the source of the wisdom of Kabbalah. Do we get that from the round table, from the love of friends, from all the methods, or is it this kind of revelation of the Creator? It's also revelation of the quality of bestowal, but it's not the same one that Baal HaSulam intended. Can you come to the revelation of the Creator in its final form, in fourth, even third, even somewhat, without the study of a book, from the book of Zohar, TES?
M. Laitman: It's actually that yes, probably yes, but we're not in such states. We're not in it. On the one hand. On the other hand, I met a few people in different instances who spoke exactly according to the laws of TES. And they knew that it comes to them from the wisdom of Kabbalah, but they didn't know how to study, and that's how it is. They kept going, I don't even know where they are today. Meaning, you have all kinds.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:11:04) The text that the Kabbalists wrote, that we read, is that a connection with the Kabbalists himself, or is it a connection with the light that's immersed in the writing?
M. Laitman: The text that the Kabbalists wrote goes through him, passes through him, that's why he receives his impression from the text according to his vessels.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:11:51) I understand that the study is from the Torah, through the reading the sources mostly, or the hearing of the Kabbalist teacher. What can you learn from friends? What can you receive from friends?
M. Laitman: What can you learn from friends? Examples. Mostly examples.
Student: External examples of behavior and persistence on the path?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And that's it?
M. Laitman: No, when they talk about something together, they need to feel, where they can find a higher will to receive compared to their degree, and they are for that, and advanced like this.
Student: When I read in the sources or hear Rav, whether it's from the Rav or a Kabbalist, I feel like it uplifts me, I hear through it, I receive a certain illumination, something happens to me. When I hear the friends, what am I supposed to feel, hear there, seek there, so it'll be in the same level like reading Torah or hearing the Rav?
M. Laitman: You can't do it yet. Not yet. You cannot reveal your connection with the friends, because of, it's the source of the light, it's a spiritual state.
Student: But are they the source of light? Can the friends be the source of light?
M. Laitman: It's possible if you are capable of accepting them like that.
Student: What do I need to do in order to receive light from the friends? In addition to the books and the Rav, what does a person need to do to receive from the friends?
M. Laitman: Yes, I hear you. Well?
Student: What do I need to do in order to receive light from the friends?
M. Laitman: You need to connect with them. To connect to them. And to raise yourself to the degree that you want to share your vessels with everyone.
Student: If I want to share the friends with what my vessels are and what I've received, what do I receive as a response?
M. Laitman: You receive through them, according to your qualities, what you just prepared. You get the upper light through them.
Student: The upper light that comes from the friends, the upper light that comes from Rav, the upper light that comes from the holy books. Is there a difference in this light?
M. Laitman: There is a difference, yes.
Student: What's the difference in the light that goes through each of these means? How is it different?
M. Laitman: The measure of connection between you. The style of your connection. In this way you connect in this way, in that way you connect in that way.
Student: Why is it not enough for a person to sit in front of a book, to listen to Rav, and receive the light? What's the addition of light that goes through the friends?
M. Laitman: Because they have to play with them, meaning to accept them through all kinds of states, that in those states they scrutinize more what the light brings them.
Student: And why through these three channels, Rav, the books, the group, the upper light descends to me and operates in me? Why not through everything in reality?
M. Laitman: That's how it was made. In a spiritual connection, you don't have other forms of contact.
Student: In connecting during the day with other people in certain situations, doesn't the Creator operate through them on me?
M. Laitman: Yes, but it's already in a different way.
Student: The question is, how can I at each moment kind of extract the light to receive from Him at every opportunity, not only through these means?
M. Laitman: This is how to begin with is the structure of reality. It only comes in this kind of way.
Student: And when I'm not at the lesson, because it mainly happens at the lesson, that's where we meet Rav, the sources, the friends. So, during the day, how then can I receive more light? Can I work more? What is the channel there?
M. Laitman: The channel there, it's like you being in the lesson. You have to be connected with the group and even in other forms you are, you have to still connect to them, and through them you receive.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:18:36) What you said now, that during the day to connect to the friends and through them receive, let's say a person has a break during the day, and he decides to dedicate the break to thinking about the friends, praying for the friends, truly being internally connected with them. Is this regarded as learning with them? And in that state, can a person really perform internal actions to connect with them, to convey to them the lights, the vessels, his desires?
M. Laitman: Definitely.
Student: And even receive from them new desires, new vessels?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Even receive new vessels from them?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Even when I'm at work, when I went outside for a minute, I can really connect?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So all day and night? Lesson or one package where we can implement the purpose of creation?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:19:56) A student asked you before what is the right preparation for engaging in Torah, and you said we understand that what's revealed to us in spirituality is in the connection between us. The more connected we are, the more we reveal an internal reality. So, on behalf of the team that's responsible for preparation for the lessons, we meet every morning before the lesson, the whole world Kli, we meet here for 15 minutes, it used to be 20 minutes, the majority of the world Kli comes from sleep into the lesson, and our goal is to use this time to remember and come to feel that the learning has to happen in the connection between us. What's the right way to use this time, certain contents, or a format that will help us remember this thing in the best way, and remember what is actual study, how to use the 15 or 20 minutes of preparation.
M. Laitman: Preparation for the lesson is in order to awaken each and every one to that connection that was also there yesterday throughout the day, and also today, we awaken towards it, and we need to come closer to it, and only through the connection between us of today, the innovation in that connection, in this way we can advance to the revelation of the Creator.
Student: Is there a better way to awaken this connection? For example, we were trying to read texts that talk about connection, and recently we've been trying to read the texts that we're going to read at the lesson, like the introduction to TES. It's a different kind of text. Is one of them preferable?
M. Laitman: Of course, there's a difference between every text, between every word, but most important is the way a person prepares himself for it. What does he want from this text? How is he expecting it to work on him, to change him? You see, it's… That is the…
Student: Also about how we prepare. Different people prefer different formats. For some people, they want 15 minutes of silence, a silent workshop. Some want active workshops to speak among the friends. Some even would prefer to sing. How do we make a preparation that's good for everyone?
M. Laitman: One man, one heart. It's a problem.
Student: So, should we try different formats, like each day a different format? What should we do?
M. Laitman: I don't know. I do not know. I also see now that before me are sitting people that are sleeping completely. Some that are completely awake. And in between, you have the rest. What can I do? Only patience. Ah. Only the heroes, the measure of patience, they could withstand it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:23:53) I didn't really want to ask, but since you mentioned it… So to continue the friend about the preparation. Sometimes I come, I prepare myself along the way from the moment I get up. We all prepare ourselves. And sometimes I come here, and the preparation confuses me more or annoys me more, or makes me resentful, puts me in a state I was already focused, concentrated, everything was arranged, you know, the friends, the goal, the performing light, the creation. And suddenly the preparation distracts me. I don't know what to do in these states. I understand it. It's clear to me that it's my problem. It's not the preparation that the friends did. And then I get into the lesson and it's not good.
M. Laitman: So, what do you expect?
Student: I don't know what to do. I'm just sharing and asking if you have an advice, if you have advice what to do. Because when I started learning about 20 years ago, the preparation was silence. There was nothing, only 15 minutes of silence. We went into the hall, we get this kind of electric shock from the air. Everyone's so alert. And that's it. I'm leaning toward that. That's how I grew. That's how I entered the path. Those years that in this 15 minutes you scrutinize the whole world and you prepare yourself for the lesson. But it's clear that you need other means today. I understand it. I just don't know what to do in states when the preparation for the lesson confuses me or annoys me.
M. Laitman: Yes, the fact that it annoys, disturbs, awakens all kinds of unpleasant forms in me, that's all good. We still need to understand it and accept it.
Question (Turkiye 2): (01:26:43) There is Moses on all kinds of degrees. There's the Moses I understand as the Moses that someone else understands. In what state is it Moses? The way the Creator wants it. The way the Creator means it.
M. Laitman: There's a Moses in each and every one, and from day to day that changes, too.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:27:26) What is exactly the Torah? Is it the conveying of light or is it the light itself?
M. Laitman: The light itself that wanders between the vessels and brings them to the end of correction.
Student: Isn't it dresses? How to clothe in the light itself? How to be clothed in the light?
M. Laitman: Yes. To the extent that you are in the vessels, and these vessels are adapted to you, and you advance with them, and you do all the actions in order to make the vessel as the light. By that, you advance.
Student: What is the source of light of Hassadim? Does it come from clothes in the Torah? Clothing in the Torah?
M. Laitman: It's the clothings of the Torah.
Reader: So we'll move to the next part of the lesson, and before that, we'll sing a song together.