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Daily Lesson (Morning) January 27, 2025.
Part 1: Baal HaSulam. The Arvut (Mutual Guarantee), Item 24.
Reader: Hello, we are reading from the writings of Baal HaSulam, the article “The Arvut” [Mutual Guarantee], we continue from Item 24. You can find the study material on kabbalahmedia.info and in the Arvut system. You can also send questions live through these websites. The Arvut, Item 24.
Reading: (00:25) Item 24
Thus, because of the above necessity, the Torah was given specifically to the Israeli nation, solely to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, for it was inconceivable that any stranger would take part in it. Yet, because of this, the Israeli nation had been constructed as a sort of gateway by which sparks of purity would flow onto the entire human race throughout the world.
And these sparks multiply daily, like one who gives to the treasurer until they are filled sufficiently, meaning until they develop to such an extent that they can understand the pleasantness and tranquility that are found in the kernel of love of others, for then they will know how to shift the balance to the side of merit, and will place themselves under His burden, and the side of sin will be eradicated from the earth.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:39) What are these sparks of refinement?
M. Laitman: The sparks of refinement, purification, are apparently that part of the nation or one nation relative to the whole world, starts to participate to use the Arvut [mutual responsibility] between all its members, and it also passes on to other parts. And this is what we need to realize, that the Israeli nation must here go through some stage where through incorporation and mutual bestowal that exists in a single nation, gradually, will pass on to the other nations of the world. And this is what everyone is expecting from us; this is why all of the nations have a feeling that the people of Israel are special. And that they must bring something to the world, something that the world needs so much.
Student: So again, what exactly flows, what are those sparks of purity that flow, onward?
M. Laitman: That this connection, this behavior, that each one has towards his friend inside the nation also passes on, bit by bit, to the whole of humanity until it all starts to be interconnected through the force of Arvut.
Student: Where are those sparks of purity? Are they in the internality of a person, the thoughts, desires, Reshimot [records]? What are they exactly?
M. Laitman: In the whole of the world, the people of the world are connected between them only in how much each one can supply the others with something that he sees that he must do, and others demand from him. Whereas humanity in general doesn't feel that there are so many nations, and parts, and groups in it that each one must bring the world something special. This thing does not exist, it's not ready inside the people, so that they will understand to what extent every nation must provide the other nations. And therefore, there is an issue of evolution, here; this evolution usually occurs in an unpleasant way, through the ego that exists in each and every nation. So that this is how they relate to each other. And, eventually, when everyone connects to others in such an unpleasant way, it turns out that they feel that they have to connect and get closer to each other.
Student: These sparks of purity, they pass from the Israeli nation to the nations of the world or it's not happening, yet?
M. Laitman: Apparently, they are passed on, they actually see development and, relatively, rapid development in the nations, in the connection between them. And also, with the people of Israel so that, apparently, this law of development is being passed on between everyone. And it pushes everyone to connection and nearing between them.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (10:46) What's the relationship between the nations of the world and Israel? Is it like Israel and the Creator?
M. Laitman: We don't quite understand that. Just like in ordinary life, that same law also works on us. That we owe to others and others also relate to us in such a way and we have complaints against each other. Likewise, we develop, and we see that from one to the other, there is a course of development here, and it's complicated, it's complex. Suddenly one nation enters into the other and they have between them all kinds of renewals of connection. It all stems from us nearing a single world.
Student: So, what is the role of the people of Israel, or the sparks of purity, in these approaches?
M. Laitman: We can see that if 100 years ago there wasn't such a connection between nations and between the nations and Israel, compared to that, today, the connection is much stronger. And we, therefore, must show the laws of interconnection to everyone.
Student: Israel needs to give an example.
M. Laitman: An example.
Student: And the nations of the world give something to Israel, is there a mutuality in this connection?
M. Laitman: The nations of the world in their general development, also, influence the people of Israel. But most important is what exists between a person and his friend, what the people of Israel should provide to everyone.
Student: The connection between us within the nation of Israel between a man and his friend, this love we are working on. Does it work on the level of nations in the world? The connection between individuals becomes the connection between nations outside in the world?
M. Laitman: Yes, we can see that throughout history there was a connection between members of a single family until it expanded and appeared between broader groups of people. And in our time, we should already reach a connection between people in the world so that we don't remain enclosed within the national framework. Rather, we have to come out and start to connect in a superhuman framework.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:43) When you say, there are all kinds of different ties as a result of the work of Israel, you see all kinds of connections in the world until we reach the state of one world, that's a direction. In the end, what's going to happen? All the nations will become one nation, one world?
M. Laitman: In the end, apparently, it will be all the nations as one world.
Student: And then, humanity will be divided in two, Israel and the nations of the world?
M. Laitman: No, there won't be two parts at all in humanity but rather simply one humanity.
Student: Where is Israel in this humanity, this one humanity?
M. Laitman: There won't be a separate humanity, but rather the sparks of bestowal will pass through Israel to the whole world, and that's it. And the whole world will reach the connection of all the nations as one nation and this is how it will exist.
Student: So, in the end, we have Israel, humanity is gradually becoming Israel?
M. Laitman: Yes, directed towards the Creator - “IsraEl” [straight to the Creator].
Student: And the nations of the world are advancing faster than us?
M. Laitman: The nations of the world, well I don't know, but it seems to me that it will happen rather quickly, more than it is with us. Thousands of years and how we went from one form of connection to another form of connection. Apparently, it will be with a different course.
Student: But it looks like the nations of the world are leading Israel. That with their deficiency, their pressure, they're pushing Israel, they're the Rosh [the head].
M. Laitman: This is a matter of the form of development of the nations of the world, it's time dependent. And throughout the different periods, different times, they change, and they get closer to each other; whereas the people of Israel are not so bound by time. And so, their development is unrelated to time, in short.
Student: Israel flow, the sparks of purity to the world, that's a desirable state?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What is the world flow in Israel? Or is this a one-sided movement from Israel to the nations of the world?
M. Laitman: Only their egoistic desire to receive, this is what the word flows to Israel. And Israel, accordingly, must change from within and from without until everyone will understand, will feel, and will change according to that.
Student: And how does Israel receive the desire of the world?
M. Laitman: Israel receives the desire of the world through the way the world relates to them. Just as the world receives changes by Israel operating in the whole world but there is also the same law in there.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:28) It says, to understand the pleasantness and tranquility that are found in the kernel of love of others.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What are the pleasantness and tranquility found in the kernel of love of others?
M. Laitman: It's a mutual help that is then passed from one to another. And eventually, humanity takes on a new form of nearing between everyone and everyone. And this nearing is passed throughout the whole world throughout many years, a long time. But everyone, eventually, begins to become incorporated and understand to what extent the laws of the world are all directed towards bringing humanity to a single form.
Student: What pleasantness exists in the love of others?
M. Laitman: In the love of others, we can get closer to each other, and in this nearing, we can heal ourselves from hatred and the wounds that we inflict on each other. Humanity, from the moment it was established and throughout all the years of its evolution, is in the state of wars, in the revelation of hatred towards each other. And therefore, this correction of our development that we are reaching that nevertheless brings people closer together, it removes the reason for hatred and for wars, so it is desirable, on the one hand with respect to people. But nevertheless, it reveals that humanity is incapable of getting rid of the hatred between people, between groups, between individuals, and there is no end to it.
Student: What is pleasantness?
M. Laitman: You should tell me what pleasantness means.
Student: Pleasantness feels like pleasant – that each one will feel pleasant. It says there's a pleasantness in love of others. What is the pleasantness in love of others?
M. Laitman: That inclination towards a good, calm, life – a life that actually everyone wants. It's in collision with the other attitude, the egoistic attitude, of each and every one, and therefore, we have no choice. We must, forcefully, get closer and connect, and transition from an egoistic connection between everyone to an altruistic connection. And apparently, we are close to the recognition of evil in the human race, which is necessary for us to feel it in order to invert ourselves. We simply decide that we have no choice, and we must change from an ego and a bad attitude towards each other to a good attitude and getting closer to each other.
Student: A person that manages to undergo this change and goes from the nature of self-love to the nature of love of others. What does he discover, what does he reveal?
M. Laitman: He discovers that, in general, there is a possibility to live according to a new attitude. An attitude of love towards each other and all the time to cultivate, to develop, this attitude between nations, between people.
Student: What does it give him?
M. Laitman: It gives him a feeling of confidence, of hope, of tranquility. He sees all the people in the world as close to him, who want to help him. And then, accordingly, he feels that he has reached a good world.
Student: The article of “Arvut” is a direct continuation of “Matan Torah”.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And we learned this tiny word called Dvekut [adhesion], which is the essence, the purpose, of everything that's happening in general. How is love of others, this change from self-love to love of others, how does that bring a person to adhesion, Dvekut?
M. Laitman: Dvekut [adhesion] is the highest state from all the relations that can be between people – between them and between them and the Creator. So therefore, ultimately, Arvut should bring all people to adhesion with the Creator.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (30:59) I want to scrutinize with you about certain phenomena that became very clear, lately. We learned that the nations of the world expect the nation of Israel to bring something to it. The question is why the demand and the anticipation from the nations of the world is not clear? Why, if, theoretically, I'll go to the nations of the world and ask: “What do you want?”, they themselves would not know. Something is simply pushing them.
M. Laitman: Yes, and this inner push, we can say that it is all directed against the people of Israel. And it obligates the people of Israel to open up their history or other pieces of knowledge that should bring the people of Israel to repentance. Meaning, what do they have to give humanity that humanity needs and demands so badly? So, it turns out to everyone that the people of Israel must bring the whole of humanity the revelation of the Creator. Nothing is lacking other than that, that's it.
Student: The question is when there is total dependence of the nations of the world on Israel, the reliance. There's a feeling that they need something from the nation of Israel, and this tendency grows, on the one hand. On the other hand, we see in parallel this is very clear, also a desire to destroy the one I depend on. I don't want him around, I wish he would disappear. How does it work together: I need someone, and I wish to erase him, what's the logic, here?
M. Laitman: When you want to have this thing that disturbs you on the way to wholeness, to an organized life.
Student: We, seemingly, show the world something it doesn't want to see?
M. Laitman: Yes, that, too.
Student: So, it's, seemingly, uncomfortable, they wouldn't want it?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: There's another phenomenon: When Israel has a desire to be like the nations of the world. A really strong desire to be accepted as a nation I call others. And more than that, there ought to be even more of the nations of the world. Do you depicted them as having egoistic desires? So, Israel seemingly wants to have more by Israel. What is this tendency to try to belong to the nations of the world, this tendency to belong, to be wanted? It sounds like it's against Israel – against the inner desire called, Israel.
M. Laitman: Yes. The people of Israel think that if they will rise above their ego and they'll be like all the nations of the world, just like they are. Then the hatred towards them from all the nations will subside, will disappear, and it is not so. Because they're not demanding from us to be like everyone. Rather, they're demanding that we will give, we will spread what we have, this knowledge, this understanding, this approach. This is what we have to give humanity.
Student: One of the things that's happening lately is a phenomenon whereby Israel is being isolated, and it obligates Israel to become independent on all levels. Israel is being hurled to be disconnected from the global system and exist on its own, by its own merits, and not depend on someone. The nations of the world are built so strongly. What does it mean that the people of Israel are independent, exist independently? Where are they trying to push us?
M. Laitman: Well, naturally, the nations of the world want to take Israel out of the connection with them, and in general to isolate them. But the people of Israel very much don't want that, they actually want to be like everyone, truly like everyone. This can be as an example of being like everyone – not less, not more – but rather just like each and every nation. And therefore, here, there is no solution, we cannot change history. We cannot establish new connections between the nations. And therefore, it's not going to happen. But this pressure, this inner war that exists within nature, this war establishes each and every nation with a special relation to the world as a whole. And it gives the direction of development to every nation until we will reach a state where everyone connects and understands what is our role. This is how each and every nation must attain what, ultimately, is their point of development, the purpose of their development.
Student: Finally, so much effort and exertion was done by the Kabbalists in order to approach the people of Israel, awakening them to their role and explain to them. And also, Rav for so many years, in different forms, different manners, also tried to awaken these people, this nation for their role. Today, following so much effort and the experience that you have, what do you feel is the right point, the right approach? How can we approach this nation in the situation that has come now? And remind them, explain to them what is their role, why they exist? What is the approach that you feel today we should adopt?
M. Laitman: I think that in our development, we have reached a state from which we can understand what is the global state and see ourselves. Not that we are just a caste among the nations but that we are truly on a height where we can decide, we can scrutinize, what is happening to us; and therefore, it is a special time.
Student: So, if I had to tell the Israeli nation, “This is what you have to do”.
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: Let's start going in that direction, starting today. What do you feel they will understand, today? What do you think the nation of Israel is ready to understand, at least that one thing?
Laitman: I think that to accept the law of Arvut, this is the only thing that the Israeli nation is lacking, that's it. And if we do accept it, this law, so that it will reside between us, between each one and everyone, this will already be the correction of the world.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (43:16) It is written; Israel is designed as a gateway passing on the sparks of purity to all humanity. What is that gateway Israel is?
M. Laitman: As a passageway means that from the point where there was only one nation that somehow existed in Arvut until the whole world reaches it, this needs to happen in our time.
Student: And how do we experience this passageway? Is there building blocks or instruments, how did we experience this passage?
M. Laitman: It's that we, ourselves, when we go through different states and out of that, we influence all the nations of the world, everyone. How much the law of Arvut must exist.
Student: And what is the place of Bnei Baruch in that passageway; are we also a passageway?
M. Laitman: We are also included in this passageway, from one day to the next, we begin to realize, understand, accept our place inside the people of Israel. That we must more correctly, more clearly, scrutinize the goal. Where do we have to get close to? This is what we must also show the whole world.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (46:54) So, saving the world depends on the Arvut in Israel – to what extent we can be guarantors, connected. And what the friend asked, I want to clarify this point further: There is a portion in this nation, a pretty big portion, where the role of Israel as we define it in the connection to the roots. That's the point that's opposite to their nature, to their worldview, they don't want to hear it. They want to be like all the other nations, and specifically in stressing this point that we have a role, that we have something to do, it doesn't matter how we feel it. Ultimately, that's what creates this antagonism, that's their “anti”. And how we, those who feel they have a role, how we find a way, a connection with them, when there is such an essential ideological change between our worldviews? What is the first step we can take to come closer to them, to find something mutual?
M. Laitman: Simply, to continue and to arrange between us, more and more, the relations of the last generation. We have nothing else to do but only to give an example of that. That is all.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (48:57) I heard that you said that humanity is unable to get rid of the hate and that to come closer to another. And in this closeness, we can heal ourselves of the hate. Why is it hard for us to believe that as we come closer, we change the whole world?
M. Laitman: Because it's not natural that some small group from the whole of humanity, by changing themselves, internally, they affect the whole of humanity. It doesn't quite match the laws of nature.
Student: And also, in the Arvut between us when we try to arrange it, to work with it, we discover our own evil, that's quite clear. I'm not there but we do know, we have the method of working with evil. With the advantage of light and darkness, existence out of absence, we know how to work with it. The question is will humanity, the nations of the world, also need to know how to work with it? Or from our correction, our change, our desire to draw the Creator into humanity, He will?
M. Laitman: Both, both. That's it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (51:10) Which action can we do to pump in the sparks of purity into the world?
M. Laitman: Only dissemination.
Student: And entering into Arvut?
M. Laitman: That, we, by ourselves, will keep the law of Arvut. And out of that, we will also spread this knowledge of the law of Arvut throughout the world.
Student: How by keeping the law of Arvut between us, these sparks of purity flow? What in the action of the Arvut between us makes it happen?
M. Laitman: I didn't understand?
Student: We work in our Ten on a connection of Arvut [mutual guarantee] and we wish to include all the other Tens and the rest of the world in the connection of Arvut we're working on.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How does that make the sparks of purity flow? What about the action of the Arvut makes them flow?
M. Laitman: Because this is what we actually do. You want to be connected with all of the Bnei Baruch in this law of the Ten. And by that, you actually think about the correction of the world. What needs to happen besides that?
Student: The question is how does that pump the correction throughout the system?
M. Laitman: When you operate in some Ten and you want to bring their form to the corrected form. By that, you already influence all the broken vessels.
Student: Why is he talking about sparks and not about light?
M. Laitman: It's still sparks, it's not, yet light; but rather, it's parts of this light that bestow that need to be revealed in the entire vessel. But, for the time being this is how it is connected between everyone working, being passed on among everyone.
Student: Lastly, how does the internal dissemination take place inside Arvut?
M. Laitman: Through the study by us, nevertheless, giving examples to each other.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:44) Here, we see that the nation of Israel is broken into two very distinct parts. There's almost no one in the middle, rather, it's a very sharp fracture. The question is where does it come from? This rift that appears as if there are two people, two nations. What is its spiritual root, where does it come from?
M. Laitman: The spiritual root goes to the historical periods and then you will see it. And then, multiply it by the days that we all went through. So, it's a problem, it's a big problem and there needs to be a general task of the nation for that so they understand. They understand that here they have to go through some big change.
Student: You see this can happen because if we look at history, we see that the ruin came from both of these sides. One was fighting the other, they were not united. So, can you see in your mind's eye that these two parts will ever unite?
M. Laitman: I think that, here, we have to go through some time of recognition of evil and very much want to rise above it. And then the Creator will arrange it for us.
Student: If these two parts would truly come closer and respect one another, even in small things, what would happen? What would be the good outcome of this advancement between these two parts? What would that cause among the nation of Israel?
M. Laitman: I'm incapable of explaining it in a different way than how we talked about it all the time. The people of Israel must get to know that they are a single nation and their division into two passes through the hearts of each and every one. And there is no other form of correction except to keep the law of Arvut.
Student: What is the role of Bnei Baruch in bringing these two parts together? Can we do something about it?
M. Laitman: We must rise and carry out the actions of connection, as he writes in the “Arvut” article, among everyone.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (59:26) We are pumping these sparks of purity to the world. We're not connected to the world, people who are sitting here, we're connected to the nation of Israel, but the World Kli is connected to the world. What is the special importance, the specific importance of our friends in the World Kli, in pumping the sparks of purity to the world, to begin to carry out the correction or not?
M. Laitman: They should start working for the correction of the world, for a connection between the parts of the people of Israel that are in the world, so that this connection will flow. This connection will cause correction, the nearing of all the parts together.
Student: What are the parts of the nation of Israel who are spread around the world? Internally, points in the heart, around the world or Jews? What do you mean?
M. Laitman: I mean the Jews that are all over the world.
Student: I heard you say over the years, more than once, that our friends from certain countries are like representatives of the language of that country. In what way can the connection between us and the World Kli can awaken points in the heart from among the nations of the world?
M. Laitman: I don't know, I think that we should think about our unity and keep as much as we keep our special united form, inside the world Kli.
Student: What do you expect in the coming Congress with respect to our ability to open the floodgates so these sparks of purity will begin to flow?
M. Laitman: We need to reach the heart of each and every one and try to give him a push to his heart to connect with all the other hearts. In such a way that we will reach a connection of everyone, together, this is it. In this work, there is quantitative work and qualitative work.
Question (Latin 1): (01:03:23) How can we pass these sparks of purity, when we discover our own sins?
M. Laitman: It is natural that the more we advance, the more we discover where we have to correct the connection between us.
Student: How do we pass the sparks to everyone, if we ourselves are not corrected?
M. Laitman: We have to correct ourselves.
Question (Asia): (01:04:08) What do the nations of the world see in Israel that Israel doesn't see in itself?
M. Laitman: The nations of the world see in the people of Israel a historical phenomenon. A historical phenomenon that throughout thousands of years of the existence of the group of Israel, they, nevertheless, do not disappear. But rather each time they show themselves as existing and ready for the correction of the world.
Question (Women MAK 23): (01:05:25) Can you work on the correction of the sparks without knowing their full meaning and significance of my role?
M. Laitman: We discover that in the same way as we correct the connection between the sparks.
Question (Women PT 6): (01:05:50) The nation of Israel is the nation with the biggest ego. What would prepare us to spread out the connection that it needs to disseminate in humanity?
M. Laitman: The big ego and the connection that we must achieve go hand in hand. This is how we should bring ourselves closer to correction.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:06:58) You mentioned that there is some time that should pass in order to allow for recognition of evil.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Can we help it along? I'm not asking from the perspective of doing evil but as far as awakening the recognition of evil?
M. Laitman: We can help in that; we can shorten the times.
Student: Is that also part of the flow of the sparks?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How do I help someone recognize the evil because the evil is relative to a certain goal. It's not just simply feeling evil; it's a purposeful evil. How can I disseminate, how can I help? It's simply good to know it.
M. Laitman: We are connected to each other in many points, inside each one. And therefore, we need to bestow as much as we are connected to the purpose of creation. That in all the points that exist in the purpose of creation, we have to bestow to each other until we feel that we are interconnected.
Student: When we advance, it's enough that one spark advances. And through these points of connection with everyone else, he pulls up the entire system?
M. Laitman: But how is he connected to others?
Student: Yes, that's the question, how to advance? Does he force everyone to act and move forward like that?
M. Laitman: Yes, he forces the Creator.
Student: And we are connected, and we reveal the connection; and from that, we begin to activate the force that advances everyone, both the recognition of evil and the purity and all of it.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:10:27) I heard you say that the division in the people existed in historical periods, as well, you can see how the nation is divided in two. My question is there is a part that recognizes its role and a part that does not recognize its role, everyone is harmed, that's how it was during the destruction of the Temple. My question is what is the part that does recognize its role, and it did something wrong with the shattering? What's different today relative to the shattering because the division is the same, as you said.
M. Laitman: There is no answer for that, we simply must try. I don't have an answer for it.
Student: It weighs on us. When you see this division and there is no answer – where is there an answer? Because it looks like we are returning to the same rift and it's very clear, very stark, and we don't want it to happen again.
M. Laitman: I think that our work is in order to realize between us, in our bodies, the laws of Arvut. And then from them, we will understand better what is the inner law of Arvut. This is how it seems to me.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:13:14) We aspire to realize the Arvut between us, that's on us, then we want to accelerate time. The question is how should we aim ourselves toward the nations of the world or the people of Israel? How can we extend the realization between us with the intention toward Israel or the nations of the world? Where should we aim in order to bring them into it?
M. Laitman: We should aim ourselves in our influence to the people of Israel so that they will want to connect to the same task – the task of Arvut that we have between us. And in such a way, we will see to what extent our influence on the vessel that we have achieved is a correct, true influence, that's it.
Student: If we are here, we will walk correctly toward realizing the Arvut between us. We will be able to bring the two parts of the nation closer, we will influence them, positively?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And the world needs to stay out of this picture? Or we should include it, swallow it into the story?
M. Laitman: No. As much as they are not yet in it, we don't relate to them. We only relate to the group of the Arvut, the group of Israel in the people of Israel.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:15:47) I heard that we need to come to a feeling that we must realize our role. How do we come to that feeling, how do we come to the feeling in which we need to pass to all of humanity this method?
M. Laitman: I think that in the state that we are existing in, we can feel, as much as where connected, that's where we have to feel the revelation of the Arvut. And where we aren't connected, that's where we have to feel the opposite. And only according to the revelation of Arvut between us, revealing the connection. We can find our way through a sea of discernments that we're going through.
Student: A feeling that we understand in our minds what we need to do but that inner lack, that real deficiency, is not realized. And maybe it hasn't reached to the place where we will really demand it. For us to really feel that this is what we need to do, that this is our mission, our role. How do we come to that feeling?
M. Laitman: We must believe that revealing the Arvut between us is the solution. That's why revealing the connection between us in the complete way is a solution – the true one, the final one – for our matter and the nation.
Student: He is revealing the special connection that is supposed to be between us and to pass it to everyone. Can that be implemented in the near period? And until the Convention, this feeling, can it happen?
M. Laitman: Well, the Congress, I don't think so, for these short times, no. But I think that, I don't know, I don't think that it's so short to that extent. Because still, it has to go through the whole nation, even a small nation.
Student: We are Bnei Baruch, we have a very special role, we move this.
M. Laitman: You can be a good lawyer for us, but it won't help. We have to go through a few very inner discernments, and it won't help us to just run ahead.
Student: Okay, I’ll ask this a bit differently with your permission: The Convention, what discernments can it bring us to continue this way so we will really come to discernments in Conventions? That from here, we are truly going in the right direction and higher up?
M. Laitman: To attain Arvut, that's clear. To attain Arvut for us is our closest important purpose and we're obligated to it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:22:30) About what's happening amongst the people and the history of the people of Israel, and the history of all humanity. We see that there's a part of humanity that love a lot of things. They actually love the shattering, they justify it, they're like in the Greek ways and some of the Jews are also drawn to there. How can we define the beauty of one, of unification, is what is most exalted, most fulfilling, most perfect that there is. Like Baal HaSulam writes, that adhesion to the Creator, that world, that state is the most exalted. How can we kind of explain it to Israel, to the nations of the world?
M. Laitman: I don't know, you need to depict this picture before each and every one, before everyone. How everyone's connected to one another and also connected to the central force of all of reality. I don't know, I do not know.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:24:44) Can we say that through the connection between us – to continue what you just said now – we acquire an inner map that gives us a proper orientation towards the spiritual world. That we know in what the nations of the world, Israel, all those things, we kind of like feel inside, and work accordingly.
M. Laitman: Yes, we can. We can depict this map somehow.
Student: This map is attainment, actually?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Now, it's felt more and more that the connection between us is becoming real, and we can identify in the sources and in the connection truly what to do and what not to do and the matter of being adhered to you, it's so necessary. How to increase every day this feeling that we are advancing even more towards that inner map and know where to go, what to do?
M. Laitman: That's the connect between all of us and to aim our purpose, which is on the path.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:26:45) To implement the Arvut between us, we need to start to enter into soul devotion. So, let go of our egoistic calculations and enter into new calculations. We need the light for that to operate upon us. Can you explain to us a little bit more, refine this point that's called devotion of the soul? How do we begin that process, how do we enter it?
M. Laitman: Above life, how else could I say it? I am able to give my soul in order to attain this goal, yes.
Student: We need to agree with this. We need to want for it to be realized upon us. How exactly does this happen?
M. Laitman: How to start going inward? I think that it's only through “man will help his friend”. That we should all try to keep the Arvut internally in each one, and in general, of all of us, together. And in this way, to go out and publish it to all of humanity.
Student: Do we need to be absorbed in that state so that we don't return from it? We can see like here in the morning lesson, there is that power, that readiness, the willingness. Do we need to be absorbed in that state and to continue from it onwards? How does it work, exactly, so we don't retreat backwards, and we will be already on the other side?
M. Laitman: We need to incorporate together and each one to give the other Arvut. No more than that.
Student: Today, we work in Tens, independent Tens. In some way do we already need to think ready to join the general Kli in order to implement this power? Or still the time has not come where we can already make from all of us one Ten?
M. Laitman: From all of us, one Ten, we cannot do that. We still don't have such a field of view, of vision, that we can include everyone. But. in somewhat, on the way, yes, here and there, you can do it. He writes about it in the “Arvut” article.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:32:06) The question awakened, which is truly an Arvut question because it's clear to us that we're different people. We feel advancement or the lack of advancement to the Convention, differently. And the scrutiny that came up was, that at least I and others expressed, that there's simply no words. There's no words to take it out, to integrate together. We didn't succeed, and we said, we will give it time, and we'll do it this coming week, again. But it's really, I'm asking only about one thing: Some fear in me was born, and also as we incorporated together, that whether we should enter and do this scrutiny all the way and not give up? Or do we need to give the boundaries because there're friends that feel differently than me, very much so. And it might not contribute to advancement, I don't know. But, surely, one of the friends mentioned between us that it's a kind of fog, that I really don't know how to behave. What is the advice here?
M. Laitman: I think that this is what you have to explain to one another. In the groups of the Arvut, what the essence of the Arvut is? What it does between you, what it brings you towards. I don't know, it's a revelation of the Arvut in the group, all of it, all of Bnei Baruch.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:34:50) We talked about Arvut, I don't know, dozens of times, and each time we come back to this point: I must be responsible for the connection of the friend to the Creator. I'm taking his commitment, his development upon myself, I must be responsible for that. I'm sorry for saying it this way, why do I hear a resistance to that? That's actually Arvut, if I'm not in that, I'm really yearning to be in that, to ask for the Creator to give me help in that or from the friends. But to be in that, each time, there's that same question, what is Arvut and what are the points? You explained this so many times but how to implement it, maybe that's the point. That it's hard to implement because the definition of what Arvut is, exists.
M. Laitman: To depict the Arvut, that's not such a problem. What else is not clear in this topic of Arvut?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:37:24) In the topic of Arvut, you said that we have nothing to do on the matter of connection of the people other than giving an example. Seemingly, there's an organization, a factory, that is truly an example, it unites people in Israel, there's a whole World Kli that supports it. And a huge inspiration, an impression, but it doesn't penetrate. So, what in our example do we need to add so that it will truly be; so, the coin will drop in the people of Israel?
M. Laitman: With each and every one of us, do we feel that you are the guarantor for his friends? That he's actually in this in practice?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:39:51) I think the description is clear. It's also very logical, the whole process that Baal HaSulam is describing. But emotionally, how to be responsible for the friends, how to prepare the heart? I have no control of that. In my intellect, I can understand anything, but how to really bring the heart to be a guarantor for a friend, how?
M. Laitman: That's what we need to get from above. A person's heart is in the hands of the Creator. And that's what we need to understand and to agree with, and to expect. That the Creator will change our hearts.
Student: So, I sit and expect for the Creator to open my heart to the friends? That's what I need to do, to sit and wait for Him to operate on me, for Him to do something on me?
M. Laitman: He's working on you and expecting. He's expecting you to discover that measure of Arvut that is obligated from you.
Student: If it comes from Him, He controls my heart, so what's under my control? What do I have to do here?
M. Laitman: You need to demand. You need to demand from the Creator that your heart will start being thirsty for Arvut.
Student: What does it mean that my heart is thirsty for Arvut? What am I truly thirsty for?
M. Laitman: That if you don't receive that influence of the Arvut, so you can't keep living, existing.
Student: How do we bring it so that you're all the time in this growing thirst? You just feel it, and you don't let go of it, that's it.
M. Laitman: I can't say. Meaning, you stop living if you don't get the feeling of the Arvut inside your heart.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:43:19) For this to be realized upon us, we need to kind of convene this great desire so that it will be realized on us. What is that dependency that we have on one another? Because really, a person can't alone, he must have in him the willingness, the readiness. Not just that I want from my mouth outwards, but for it to be inside like this thirst, like you said – that will be realized in us. What's our degree of dependency on one another, so that this will really close on us, this upper force, and change our hearts?
M. Laitman: The question is actually how we can gather the correct amount of desire we need for this Arvut because in the end, we're all with our eyes up, all of us together, and we say we want this, we want it to happen in us, and we can’t do it.
Student: So, how do we bring the desired intensity, how to do it?
M. Laitman: We scream. What is the most powerful, strongest, most highest scream, cry out.
Student: I don’t understand?
M. Laitman: What is the most powerful outcry, most highest, most general outcry?
Student: It has to come from the depth of the heart.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, you have to reach the depth of the heart, but I feel that alone, I don't have that desired depth.
M. Laitman: Here, you are touching upon the need for Arvut.
Student: Can you explain?
M. Laitman: I alone cannot reach the depth of my heart but the others, when they appeal to my heart, they cause me to feel the depth of my heart.
Student: How do I make the friends turn to my heart? What should I do?
M. Laitman: By you learning together and connecting together and turning in prayer to the Creator.
Student: Each one has to be responsible for everyone.
M. Laitman: Yes. That's how everyone needs to be responsible for everyone.
Question (Kyiv 1): (01:47:39) In the Ten, we create the force of the Arvut between us, we build it. And now, as representatives of different countries in the world, what should we keep doing with this force? What should we transfer it to?
M. Laitman: You need to try and feel one another in the manner that if you come with this common feeling, you want to discover, there, the law of Arvut – the law of Arvut.
Student: We create this force in the Ten and we try to feel that force. But afterwards, what we’re seeing, we're talking about responsibility for the whole world. And you said that the World Kli needs somehow to transfer this force onward to the same countries we live in. So, what role do we have in those countries we live in?
M. Laitman: For the time being there's none. What we need, altogether, is to bring forth the deficiency of Arvut in all of humanity. And from this deficiency for Arvut, without which we won't be able to exist beyond, then we need, from this lack, to bring the necessity for attaining Arvut. And we can only attain Arvut by each seeing his life inside the life of his friend.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:50:32) Between us, is there some extent of Arvut, right now?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: There are only efforts for Arvut?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, how do I know tomorrow that we're advancing to more Arvut?
M. Laitman: Check how dependent you are on others. To what extent you're transferring to them the force of Arvut that you have and how you are advancing, onwards.
Student: How can I see that I'm dependent on the others, in connection to what?
M. Laitman: In connection with Arvut.
Student: A deficiency for Arvut?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Is it about other things, too?
M. Laitman: No.
Student: So, there's not Arvut about being present in the morning lesson?
M. Laitman: No. Arvut has nothing to do with the morning lesson.
Student: It's just an example.
M. Laitman: The Arvut is: To the extent in which we are intermingled together in order to connect before the Creator.
Student: So, we need to develop this mutual dependency in the feeling that we're all incorporated to the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How can we measure it in the Ten? Maybe also alone, I don't know how. How do I know that tomorrow I'm dependent on the friends more in order to be mixed in the Creator? We can say it in words, efforts, we'll try more, we'll open the heart but in practice, how? How can I grow this deficiency?
M. Laitman: The Creator will do it for you if you ask from Him; but you need to feel this deficiency inside you.
Student: So, if another day goes by with the Ten and there is deficiency for Arvut, is it okay?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Well, except for during the day, to stop, to think about it, what does this effort depend on? Is it about times? Should I try and steal more time during the day to come back to this thought? Or does it depend on some certain effort, on a meeting, let's say. How?
M. Laitman: To those big desires of yours that you want to advance with to the Creator in order to receive from Him the most precious thing, which is Arvut. Which is where the Creator is already involved with you, gets involved with you. So, what else do you need?
Student: That's what I have to ask myself at every moment?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, it's like a scrutiny that I'm doing towards every moment in life, even in moments that we call the necessities that historically we don't touch them? We always said necessities is necessities, if you have an hour a day, that's where you make your effort. So, now I feel that it's not enough, that I somehow need to add this to every moment. I can't allow myself to not be in this for eight hours or even one hour. I don't know, I'll go watch a movie and also there somehow, I have to have it mixed inside somehow. Is that right, to see things and that struggle?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Can we demand it from one another, or each one has to do his thing, show an example and pray for the good?
M. Laitman: Each demands it from the Ten.
Student: Also, in the cost that it can bring up all kinds of resistance.
M. Laitman: Is that what is stopping you?
Student: I don't know, I know it stops sometimes, it's something very delicate. There's a lot of times, you know, each one do your work and?
M. Laitman: Okay, I have nothing to add.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:56:14) It doesn't stop us; there's nothing that can stop us. We have one clear purpose: To come to this Congress and attain Arvut and attain Lishma. We don't care about anything else in the world, but we want to get guidance from you. How till the Congress we can really take the right steps and not give up on it. Our whole life is here, and we want to attain Lishma in this Congress. And before that, we want to advance to Arvut and not that every day we'll just go without the intentions. But there are friends that even saying that word, Arvut, discussing it, it burns their fuses – it drives them nuts. How can we incorporate and reach Arvut?
M. Laitman: That is through prayer, only through prayer to the Creator. For He must bring you to that form. To that state where you're connected and together are demanding Arvut.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:58:04) I feel that the days are going by and the gap between what we're studying here and the state in the world becomes more and more further away from each other. There's a demand from above for something supernatural to happen, I don't know what that is. Let's say it's Arvut but my question is how can we define the urgency, increase the urgency, that this is an emergency time right now? Between us and the whole World Kli, that we're entering this Congress to do something supernatural? I don't know how to pass it from my heart because what's happening in the world, there are many questions, no doubt. The Creator wants us to translate the questions into interactions more and more powerful, more internal, with more forces. How to do it?
M. Laitman: Only by prayer, only by prayer. Each feel that he has in him, at any given moment in life, a certain prayer in his heart. But it's ever changing every minute and comes again, and it is not found to be so. It has to be a real prayer – a lack, a deficiency that's in the heart. And that's how, start influencing one another, bestowing to one another such that this is what you need.
Student: How to do that prayer between us that it'll be more powerful? More to the point, that we can make some contact with Him?
M. Laitman: Talk between you, when I enter into your prayer, I confuse you. I confuse the questions, the desires, the inclinations. Try to do this alone.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:01:57) The most powerful thing I feel now is recognition of evil. And I think that it's a point that I feel that I don't have any responsibility on it. The Creator gave it to me – it reminds me of that sentence by Baal HaSulam when he says that that's when you turn to the Creator, if you really see that that's what's in your way. And we know that I can't correct the evil inclination, it's all on the Creator. So, how can we together give the Creator that responsibility, so it'll be the state of “My sons have defeated me”?
M. Laitman: Everything is attained only through the force of prayer. So, try to aim yourself to your heart and to your mind, and to the Creator in order to receive that result, that consequence.
Student: So, my mind knows that, but my heart doesn't agree, so, only the Creator can organize it. That's the only thing I can turn to Him with, and that it'll be true?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And in that we have to help each other?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Hadera 1): (02:04:58) Is implementing Arvut reaching a state of the Creator's messenger? To reach a degree of being a messenger to the Creator.
M. Laitman: It’s not felt towards who?
Student: Towards the ones implementing it.
M. Laitman: No, I don't understand.
Reader: He's asking, is implementing Arvut reaching a degree of being the Creator's messenger? But it's not felt that he doesn't feel his being a messenger towards the other. That they don't feel him as a messenger.
Student: Implementing Arvut, does it mean to reach a degree of being the Creator's messenger, but you don't feel that role? Like being a table that the Creator is putting all the abundance on?
M. Laitman: No, no, a person needs to participate in this – heart and soul.
Student: Yes, to participate, you just don't feel that participation.
M. Laitman: So, that's called that he's not participating.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:06:34) I think he's asking is to participate in a way that the people you are bestowing to, they don't know that you're bestowing. You're like a pipeline, transparent, nobody knows about you.
M. Laitman: The Creator doesn't need such things. If He needs to bestow upon someone, He has all the possibilities.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:07:07) I want to know if I heard correctly, you answered the friend that, is it right that the Arvut between us is in order to enter the Creator's world, to contact with Him?
M. Laitman: Could be, yes.
Student: So, keeping the Arvut. Let's say we decided we want to be guarantors to one another. So that makes us keep the thoughts, the intentions, the deeds that will be suitable to the Creator's world?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Let's say now I see a friend doing something wrong. So, can I determine him to the scale of merit or to the scale of, to the other side? But I think there's work here, too.
M. Laitman: Of course there's work. Well?
Student: So, if such a state happens, I see a friend stands up and he starts walking. Then I discover that he was in a certain duty. But first I thought how he left the Arvut, how he flawed, and I flawed the Creator with these thoughts. So, how do I use because it didn't come from me, the Creator sent it.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How do I not miss out on this opportunity? It's another opportunity the Creator is giving for what? What will happen? What should I do?
M. Laitman: Ask Him how to relate correctly to that which is going through you.
Student: And by that, I'm renewing the connection even more of everyone and me with him?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:09:12) Every time we reach a topic of prayer, I personally feel stuck. The mind understands the explanation we've been studying for so many years. But from the heart it won't come out, it's always the place that is like an iron wall. Why am I stuck in such a way, why is it so difficult?
M. Laitman: Because you need to develop a prayer.
Student: But there's no way I can find to there?
M. Laitman: It’s not the time yet.
Student: Well, that's what I'm afraid of, I'm stuck in this place for years, I don't move ahead. And you're saying that there's even more to wait. So, what should actually happen? Does there have to be such suffering that the heart will open or is there a different track?
M. Laitman: Only prayer.
Student: So, it brings me back to this place of being stuck.
M. Laitman: So, stay there with the prayer until the Creator answers you.
Student: What sort of prayer has to be there?
M. Laitman: That's between your heart and the Creator's heart – what are you asking me?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:11:07) Many years ago, we had talks about the Arvut, we brought out the book of the Arvut. When we consulted with you, there's friends, here, that remembered how to choose a cover for the book. You recommended a group of people – there's four people holding hands and looking up and from above, the light comes down. I remember because I was there. What is that?
M. Laitman: Just like I am now. [Rav shrugs with hands palms facing upward]
Student: What's that?
M. Laitman: That's a prayer. That's a prayer where we ask together and expect a response from above.
Student: The idea of the Arvut is wonderful. But when we try to advance a step to implement it, so it starts becoming less clear.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What's the first step, practical. Of BB now to implement the Arvut between us?
M. Laitman: The connection between everyone, connection between everyone. Desires, hearts, intentions, thoughts - connection. And then, from that common intensity, from that, you'll have a force that rises and hits the Creator.
Student: And that has to take place, mainly, in thought?
M. Laitman: And in the desire.
Student: An inner demand?
M. Laitman: Yes, in the heart and in the mind.
Student: Is there a practical action it should be clothed on?
M. Laitman: Only from the effort from the heart and the mind.
Student: So, there's mainly effort from the mind and the heart. So, what comes first, the mind or the heart?
M. Laitman: I think first it's the mind, and the heart awakens, afterwards.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:14:10) There are people around the world that, thanks to you, discovered how important Arvut is. And they are considered descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And we think that the work you did towards those people is that a kind of Arvut towards the nation of Israel?
M. Laitman: I don't think so but maybe.
Student: Because I thought that, maybe, we could think that the work to ignite that flame of the need for the Creator. That it's like an action towards the Arvut?
M. Laitman: Yes?
Student: So, what I'd like to understand is if I take upon myself to concentrate on seeing that point, that flame that's in my friend. It's like in the fire to glow on it, to make it stronger towards the Creator. Can we think of that as an action of Arvut?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:16:09) I wanted to ask about a practical action, it might be external. We pray in the morning, after the lesson, the morning prayer. And in the world, I hope all read psalms and there's a prayer. If we, when we're done with the prayers, if we put together a prayer, four or five sentences from what we feel now, the friends really want to reach it, the Arvut. A prayer of the Arvut of us, how do you think it will work? Is it good?
M. Laitman: It must work.
Student: So, I recommend we do it.
M. Laitman: Okay.
Student: That we all stand, and we're all there, and we enter with all our forces.
M. Laitman: Yes. Success to you.