Morning Lesson December 12, 2023

Transcription is made from simultaneous translation, which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio

Part 2:

Baal HaSulam. The Wisdom of Kabbalah and Philosophy (Equal Force in the Spiritual and the Physical)

 

Reading: Equal Force in the Spiritual and the Physical

1. R. (02:26) That means that there is no connection between spiritual actions and some kind of corporal actions that we can see before us. So, what yes?

Reading twice (02:47) Body and Soul in the Upper Ones

Reading (06:02) Lights and Kelim

2. S. (10:18) First of all this is very complicated, it's hard to grasp it so I want to go back to the question he brought up: we have to know that this old confusion of distinguishing between the operating force and the operation is the form of philosophy which insisted improving the matter of spiritual operation on the physical action, what is the problem here that he's explaining here?

R. That from the actions we want to understand the one who is performing them.

S. Is it a philosophical approach?

R. Yes.

S. It's similar to, by Your actions we know You, what's the problem with that?

R. Yes, but the problem is from your deeds we will know you, it is upon us; we check, and we see and we learn Him. But philosophy tries to study the Creator from outside of a person, without any connection to the person. So it actually disconnects it from the truth.

S. Can we say in general from the three excerpts we read, that the problem of philosophy is that it's trying to connect spirituality with corporality and Kabbalah says we can't connect them?

R. I would say that the mistake is that, between corporeality and spirituality there is man that includes corporality and spirituality together, and here we have to learn about corporality and spirituality, connect between them and separate them. Meaning, with all the correction of man we can't understand what we're talking about in nature at all and philosophy doesn't engage in that; only engages in intellectual forms.

3. S. (12:50) In the headline, equal force between spiritual and corporal he says any definition we define the force and deny it materially it's also fabricated. What is material, I understood that they are only forces?

R. The will to receive; everything we feel are the forms of the will to receive.

S. I understand that the will to receive is a force, what is the matter?

R. The matter is what works on the will to receive.

S. How can it be that there is a material matter, we see that there are two forces the will to receive and the force that fills it, the force of bestow?

R. But the will to receive on its own?

S. It's a force that wants to receive. What is the matter? Another question I wrote about it is what does it contribute to a person advancement when he is born into a reality that his forces are hiding from him, why are we born in such a reality?

R. In order to research all of reality and reach its root.

S. Should we think that there is matter or relate to the forces, to reveal the forces?

R. It depends how you define material and force.

S. What's the right way to define it?

R. We will learn.

4. S. (14:34) How do we realize the advice of Kabbalists correctly before we attain them?

R. Try and understand that by this for sure we're coming close to something, that we even if don't know exactly to what, to whom? and in this way we come close to attainment.

S. How do we do it correctly? For example, can I give a practical specific example; let's say, in the first part of the lesson we learned that a person should take into consideration that even though he sees that all his actions are in order to not to be embarrassed, meaning he does it for the sake of the friends, so he has to believe that also in that to the Creator leads him by concealment of the face and actually he's doing everything for the sake of the Creator?

R. Yes.

S. He doesn't attain this depiction?

R. No, but he still wants to receive, above reason that all the actions are by the Creator.

S. Good, so these words, above reason, this action, how do we do it correctly so we will really be in the right direction?

R. Above attainment, above understanding, above everything that I am in my world, there is an Upper Force that operates, and I am in his actions.

S. But a person still does not attain it, he has to accept the view of the Kabbalists, why is this correct, why will he not be mistaken here?

R. He has no choice.

S. Right he has no choice, but why would that bring him to actual real results and not to something that is disconnected from reality?

R. If he receives reality in such a way; so gradually he attains the Operator of the reality and the results of the reality.

S. Why?

R. Because he wants to come closer to that form.

S. Because this form exists and it's real it was attained so he's directed to the real form whereas now he imagines some abstract form, he will achieve nothing?

R. Correct. Let's say correct.

S. So how can we be careful and act correctly according to the advice of the Kabbalists and not to enter into all kinds of philosophy, religion, or things like that?

R. First of all in the ten. In the work in the ten to agree as much as possible on one hand free on the other hand in general, in the group and with the right study. On our behalf we're building the vessel with hope that through our vessels, desires, thoughts, we awaken the Light that reforms.

5. S. (18:30) In the beginning of the article Baal HaSulam wrote that Kabbalists don't deal with His Essence, His self, because it is unattainable, as opposed to philosophers who do engage in His self, and here he writes something very interesting that the abundance that he received is necessarily part of His self and there shouldn't be any Innovation here, so we see the great difference between the Innovative body and the received abundance which is like His self. So it turns out the abundance he receives in the vessels is regarded as His self. This is because it means that there is some sort of attainment of His self, if the abundance is like his self, so do we have attainment in His self how do we understand it?

R. I cannot explain that, there are no words. We need to come closer to it and to see to feel it, to define it, through the attainment in the vessels. Ther is nothing you can do, ‘from Your deeds, we will know You’.

6. S. (20:06) I heard about the reforming light, now what should be my minimal relation to the Creator, to the quality of bestowal, to God, so I can draw the reforming light? Because it doesn't exist, I don't see it.

R. It doesn't exist toward you, and you are asking how to make it exist?

S. No, what should be my relation to this so I can draw the light in the work in the ten?

R. That you must find those vessels that in them you can feel the light.

S. So in your answer I didn't hear the Creator or the upper of force?

R. why does that matter?

S. So can I share these lights without relating to the Creator only through work in the ten, in connection?

R. Yes. Why is it so scary?

S. Because I heard that if I don't relate to the Creator, there's none else besides Him so it's as if the work is in connection with the ten, so the light comes anyway?

R. I don't understand your question?

S. I want to draw light in the ten in order to reach the goal and the question is do I have to have some relation to the upper force in advance?

R. If you incorporate in the ten you get the same light that exists in them. that is it. You don't need anything but that; only to incorporate in them. 

Try and ask differently.