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Part 3:

Baal HaSulam. Peace in the World (Practical Difficulties in Determining the Truth)

Reading Practical Difficulties in Determining the Truth (00:06)

1. S. (12:01) I understood that Baal HaSulam is leading us to this question or more correctly to the conclusion that a person, in order to be happy in society as an individual he must feel himself as the entire collective, to be in this dual state.

R. No, it doesn't happen that way and it will never happen that way; this is the way I understood you.

2. S. (12:48) The solution to what he says is like in Communism, each according to his ability and each according to his needs.

R. And why is this not good, why does it not draw people, why is this not a correction?

S. No, it is a correction with respect to the system. It's a correction it's simply that people don't understand it, it's concealed.

R. Meaning the end of correction and the complete Communism are basically the same?

S. In the organization of the system of course there are more internal layers here.

R. Okay, you're right in something. Towards the corporeal value this quality could be right.

3. S. (13:52) He assumes that you have to reach a complete agreement that will ease the mind of each and every individual, that's what he says is the final correction.

R. Yes, that each one will come down, yes.

S. Yes but where have we seen such a thing in nature?

R. We have not seen it which is why the end of correction is still ahead of us.

S. So maybe the assumption from our point of view of reality is that even if we look back we've never seen such a state. If we look forward the system is always in a kind of balance of forces and the weak are strong or sometimes the stronger prevail, it's an endless war. Each individual has to reach complete agreement to that.

R. The end of correction cannot be without the agreement of each and every one from all of humanity.

S. Yes, it's clear that there is this state that he describes but how can we from our point of view besides imagining it like a Utopia that we've never seen in any system of nature, why should it happen in humanity the most complicated system? This is the natural state, non-stop wars and such a system of balances of each one eating the other forever.

R. Well okay, so if there was no more complex system in which didn't obligate a person to rise on the degrees of the attitude of one towards the other then you're right and we would have eaten one another all the time non-stop.

S. So what I'm asking is where can we see some testimony, some sign to the fact that the system has to reach a balance one day?

R. To aspire for balance yes, but to reach it?

S. There's always a lack of balance that aspires to be balanced but never reaches a constant balance.

R. Why?

S. I don't know why but it's a fact.

R. But why don't we reach it? Because of the desire to receive in order to receive but if he stabilizes against it forms another force in order to be bestow and that there's no choice; he begins from this and then afterwards more and more by supporting it himself, and asking of the Creator and receiving help from the Creator so why wouldn't it work out?

S. Well if we’re now putting in the system variables that there’s a Creator and he's whole and we have to reach a state where we have to resemble Him, it's all clear.

R. But you have no choice so just work in such way.

S. Yes but here Baal HaSulam writes in a human, social way. He shows it to us in our eyes that humanity also tries to reach an answer to these questions and he solves them here but they can't reach it. So can we from our state without knowing what the wisdom of Kabbalah gives us reach or assume that this is the way it should be?

R. Yes we can reach a decision that this is how it needs to be if it will be.

S. How?

R. Otherwise the world has no choice to exist and there's no beginning, no end and in nature there is no logical force.

S. Yes, as we see.

R. So then you're right. It's like it says don't show a fool a work half done. That’s how we are.

S. Can we prove this picture of the final correction from the point of view that we have or must we say this is how the wisdom of Kabbalah looks at reality, that's its perception, believe it or not, this is where we're headed to and if you don't believe then someday you'll discover that.

R. What does it mean then you'll discover it? There are those who discovered it already and they're telling it to us out of this revelation. And if we don't reach it then we’ll be in these opposite forms from the revelation and this is why they tell it to us this way. They bring us all sorts of rational explanations. Maybe ask your question again.

S. Is it possible in a state of an irrational, egoistic, ordinary person without knowing about the wisdom of Kabbalah, can such a person adopt this point of view that reality has to reach a complete agreement for each and every individual when this has no basis up until today; that we have to reach this state?

R. Try, and then you'll build Communism again? That's the whole problem because then you build a society which is as if capable of reaching without the upper force, without the help of the Creator of reaching equivalence, connection, love etc.. And this cannot happen because all of nature is egoistic and as much as we, like Baal HaSulam writes, that even if you activated all of the punishments, by this you will not correct a person.

S. This means by negating it you even show that there is no other way, no other solution.

R. If there's no Creator you have no solution. That's why Communists, they are specifically the ones to bury themselves. Only if you turn to the Creator, form a connection with Him which is what the wisdom of Kabbalah teaches you, then through the upper force you do reach a solution.

4. S. (21:35) From what I understand the only thing a person can do is hasten the times. It's written about Israel, that they hasten the times and this process and that's the only thing that's possible to be done. The way I understand from the article the lazy and the one that has no talent is working harder than anyone else in the system. There's a verse, you have toiled, worked hard, believe. And the Creator performed this thing called Israel in the ten. How does that cause a greater exertion? How does that hasten the times compared to this whole system?

R. Exertion in the group, in the ten it brings you to a state where you see that if you don't attain the unity then you're lost. Out of a lack of choice you begin to pray for the unification of the ten. Then through the unification of the ten you begin to receive the upper force, from the upper system of Adam HaRishon and then it's clear to you that there is a force in the world which can arrange everything because it connects everyone into one system, into one mechanism. Then you turn to it, to that force.

S. This means that the uniqueness of Israel is that it reaches an outcry, an inability of its own forces the fastest compared to others and has this thing called prayer it has to discover?

R. Yes, yes which is why on the other hand this is the nation, the people which is the most unsuccessful and are always in problems, in sorrows which bring that group faster into the correction.

5. S. (24:13) If there's no way to obtain these conditions, to get the conditions required for the end of correction and we don't have an attainment in the Creator, how can we do it?

R. It's written how. When you try to build these things with the friends and you see that you're incapable and you begin to pray.

S. But how, how can I pray for something I have no attainment in mentally or emotionally?

R. Try.

6. S. (25:07) If we need the Creator’s intervention how can we release ourselves or not to fall to the religious wars as we did throughout history?

R. There are the religious wars without any religion, they were just called that way. Who was more right from their external actions these or those or those.

S. Yes but how can we get out of it and not fall to that game again?

R. Returning to that same game, we're not returning to it. We also weren't in it, this is between the extreme religions.

S. Yes but that's where humanity is playing and we’re trying to lead them to a different game. How?

R. No, we don't want to bring anything, we want to bring connection between people as the true connection.

S. But only the Creator can do it.

R. Okay, so turn to Him.

7. S. (26:34) According to what we’ve read what is the attribute of truth?

R. What is the attribute of truth? As much as we have the attribute of bestowal to each other this is called the attribute of truth because the Creator is between us and if we bestow to each other we bestow to Him.

S. How can we measure it?

R. To the extent of the closeness of the hearts between us.

S. How can we measure it in the ten?

R. Also the same thing, as much as the ten is more close.

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