Morning Lesson July 22, 2021, Transcription

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Growing Further in Order to Grow Closer - Excerpts from the Sources, #13

1.Rav’s Introduction: Yes, our whole work is only to see what we are receiving from the Creator correctly. Of course, everything we received, we received from him and of course what we receive from Him is only in order to bring us closer to the purpose. Here is the question, can we see it in what we feel, of course all of our thoughts and feelings come from the Creator? Can we decipher them correctly and see that these disturbances are real disturbances meaning, they come for us to overcome them and organize them correctly and see by rising above them our whole purpose. Where, in the end, the Creator reveals to us a greater will to receive each day and we need to see it as an ascent. Also, we don't need to only see it as disturbances, but rather disturbances that are revealed with respect to the connection between us so that by overcoming them we can bring ourselves to a higher level of connection in the group, a greater one, a more united level. In this way get closer to one another. If I pay attention, I will be able to see that every moment not just every day but every moment I get an opportunity for an ascent. meaning to make contact with the Creator over new disturbances and in this way come closer to him. Let’s go to the excerpts and see other discernments in this work. This is really the spiritual work.

Excerpt 13 (03:06)

2. S. (05:13) You said that before any moment there's an opportunity for us and how do we recognize that opportunity?

R. It depends on the attention, on what you're expecting. When you are certain that from the Creator come only opportunities for ascents and you have to relate this way to every moment in life and then you'll really see it. You'll see that this is really so. We increase in Holiness, not decrease. Over all kinds of states, you'll discover that from the Creator in every situation in life nothing bad comes but only for us to overcome whatever it is and attribute it to the ascent. Then when you attribute your every state as an opportunity for an ascent, meaning swap the difficulties that you have with overcoming, and by this you seemingly raise yourself to a higher level and a higher-level like climbing a ladder, if you relate to it this way, to what is happening to you, then this is what happens. We also should pay attention to the fact that today we are happy about accepting everything that comes as a disturbance because really this is the best state. When some disturbances are revealed to us, then opposite that, we need to connect, we need to overcome, to become more and more connected among us in the 10, so that each disturbance becomes a degree of an ascent. This is basically what we need to do.

3. S. (08:04) The passage is not clear yet. The light shines in order to receive. So, what happens in the end? The Light should go away as soon as it starts working for itself, and a person should fall into a fall, or for some time the light cannot shine, but he works for himself and does not notice anything. What does it mean?

R. I don't get into these scrutinies because I don't understand and I don't know what the Creator does. All I know is how I have to respond. I have to respond to it. The Creator wants to promote me from every situation I am in. In every situation I am in, as much as I can, I have to connect with the friends and through them connect with the Creator. This is basically what I need to do. I don’t get into all kinds of considerations as you are doing. It doesn't bring me to the right solution. Therefore, connect with the friends on top of all of the obstacles. If we can't, ask the Creator, and in that way see our work. Everything is “which God has created to do” and not get into philosophies and all kinds of calculations. We have no calculations. All the calculations will be only when we complete the work then we can see it's beginning, middle and end. “There is none so wise as the experienced”, but to start calculating before we have experience, before we work, is completely unacceptable in Kabbalah.

4. S. (10:28) Why do we need the darkness to see that we're doing the work in purity?

R. So it will be against our desire. Otherwise, how will we rise to spirituality? The Creator helps us by giving us the feeling of darkness. Just imagine that instead of darkness He would shine the light of pleasures. How would we be able to disconnect from them and perform any act of bestowal if I am immersed in pleasure? The Creator is giving us work, He is doing the work instead of us. What does He do? He brings us to the feeling of darkness, meaning that we have nothing to yearn for, or understand. By this, He gives us a chance to do something, to perform an act of bestowal. I have to overcome this darkness, just a little bit, start to awaken myself by myself through the ten, to awaken myself to connection.

There are no disturbances. What disturbances are there during the darkness? If all kinds of pleasures in food, sex, family, money, power, knowledge, illuminated for me, it would be much more difficult for me even if I were even capable of it. We have to think what conditions the Creator presents to us and around us that are ideal, great situations. He elevates us and elevates us by not giving us pleasure, by making us feel darkness, lack of success. It is great help from Him. This is why it is written “in a place where the Creator strikes, He heals”. It is as with physical medicine. If we didn't feel pain somewhere, we wouldn't read it and the illness would develop until it would be impossible to treat. So, the fact that the Creator awakens in us feelings of darkness, unpleasantness, dissatisfaction, etc., is great help from Him

5. S. (13:49) How does a person come to a state where it is not important to him what he feels throughout his work?

R. I don't think it is possible. On the contrary, we have to increase our sensitivity to all the states we go through. to become more and more sensitive. The fact that I don't want to feel takes me out of the work completely. The fact that I want to be as dead is not good. Therefore, don't think in that direction, not in the direction of feeling. The Creator gives the feeling, I want to feel what He gives. I also want, as much as possible, to scrutinize what He is giving and as a result I also want to scrutinize what I have to do and how I have to respond. Through connection with the friends, by learning more, reading more, by understanding more, but mainly through more prayer.

6. S. (15:12) What is the practical work in connection?

R. The work against disconnections is clearer to us, and more palpable than the work on connection. We have to understand that the Creator is in the connection to begin with. “I dwell among my own people” so this is why we have to learn as much as possible for a new connection every time, more, more and more, locate the disconnections, the remoteness, and treat those disturbances specifically.

S. When you invert distancing, it becomes approaching, and that's the whole work. But practically, when we connect with the friends, we can't feel what we are doing. How do we inflate this point of connection?

R. Increase the importance of connection and then you'll feel that the Creator is constantly breaking your connection. Each time more and more you will discover a greater and greater depth in the connection, meaning to see how you are still not connected and that's how we advance.

S. He's doing it, it's His work, it's not that I'm doing.

R. No. You want to become sensitive; you want to increase your sensitivity for connection and disconnection. All of our work, our whole prayer really, is to increase our sensitivity to lack of connection to where we are still not connected.

Excerpt 14 (17:56) Twice

7. R. (22:24) This is not simple; it is not simple. How can we really work connecting the two opposites together in us? I recommend thinking about it during the day and we will continue speaking about it in the meantime.

8. S. (22:53) What does it mean that on the one hand we appreciate the closeness of the Creator as an addition, and on the other hand we want to come close to Him?

R. That's what it's talking about here. This is really what causes the two opposites. Yes, we will ask a few more questions and then maybe we'll get back to it. It's a very important excerpt.

9. S. (23:37) What does a ‘complex man’ mean?

R. ‘Complex’? A person consists of two parts. Because of it, he has work in two directions towards the Creator: a request, a prayer, and a lack revealing the lack, the deficiency, on the other hand, praise and gratitude. It is as if he has everything and he doesn't need anything anymore. The question is: if we already have some ability to approach the Creator, even with a request that we have nothing, but we're suffering, but we have connection with Him, what else do you need? What do you want? You want to change the type of connection. How do you turn a connection that He awakens in you egotistically into a connection where you specifically feel Him, delight Him. Here is all our work with Him, how we turn ourselves, how we invert ourselves.

10. S. (25:17) If we feel in our desire both positive and negative, how do we come with the intention in order to elevate this desire?

R. Everything, we do is in order to bring contentment to the Creator, to approach Him. Our feelings, positive or negative, should work only in this direction. On top of what feelings can I make myself closer to Him, more giving. This is what I am concerned with and not with my feeling of positive or negative form, of bringing myself closer or pushing myself further. How do I rise above the different feelings, pleasant or unpleasant, in order to get closer to Him? It is as we learn in the Partzufim where we have the restriction, the screen, the reflected light, the calculation of how much I can rise above myself in order to bestow, and then I do the work. To that extent I enter into adhesion with what is above me.

11. S. (27:17) Thoughts and feelings come from the Creator, but we do not feel the Creator. How do we truly feel Him in the point of contact with thoughts and emotions?

R. The Creator is revealed as a result of our correct response to what He brings us. We try to go above the egoistic calculation, meaning not responding to Him as it seems to me, in my vessels, my ego, in my will to receive, in my desire to enjoy, but that I will really relate to Him as to the constant

Good Who Does Good. In this way we come to a state where the Creator is always really the Good Who Does Good permanently and I have to see how I can be like Him. How I can receive each moment a feeling that I am in the Good Who Does Good, and that I am in complete bestowal upon Him as He is towards me? Not according to my feelings. In whatever I feel, I feel in my ego. How can I come to Him in a way that we are really connected?

12. S. (29:37) Every day we are building a prayer. Can the prayer also include gratitude and a request?

R. Of course. Every complete prayer consists of those two parts, a request and gratitude.

S. Can I request something from the Creator all day or only during certain times?

R. It is written, “I wish you prayed all day” meaning to be in contact with the Creator. Our work is to be in both the request and in gratitude. We have to try to be in both.

13. S. (30:33) How do we agree to accept the darkness as a matter for work and not escape it?

R. If we want to advance then we summon the darkness in order to get closer to the Creator. It is like a good worker who asks the employer “what more work do you have for me?” The work seems like a reward and not a salary to those who want to work.

S. Yes, but it is hard to come out of this instinct to run away and not work with it.

R. It all depends on the group and how much the group shows you that it is going towards it.

14. S. (31:42) How do we reach the highest level of prayer and supplication as a ten? What is this deficiency in us?

R. The lack, the deficiency, the desire is to bestow, to bestow upon the Creator. To come through the act of bestowal to similarity, to be coming identical with the Creator, as it is written, ‘I for my beloved and my beloved is for me’. By this we embrace, we kiss, we become incorporated in one another and we achieve adhesion. I feel the Creator filling up all of my thoughts and desires, I annul before society. I prepare myself before that for this kind of contact with the Creator.

15. S. (33:06) Where is the transition between the point of prayer and the point of gratitude in the prayer?

R. Where a person feels.

16. S. (33:33) The excerpt is not clear. Can you explain the two opposites is he talking about?

R. The prayer and the request, and praise and gratitude, are two opposites. One comes from deficiency and the other comes from the filling, the abundance. Those opposites are a result of feeling the oppositeness.

S. Does this mean that you can be grateful for the Creator who brings us closer even though I feel like I'm suffering in the desire?

R. You can't be grateful if you are suffering. Understand? It is not genuine, it is not honest, it's a lie, it's not sincere. You have to bring yourself to a state that even if the body suffers you disconnect from it and you don't feel that it is you suffering but that it is your evil inclination that is suffering. You enjoy it as if you're receiving a good reward because it helps you disconnect from it. Then you begin to feel the great help in it.

17. S. (35:19) What is this addition that he's talking about relative to gratitude?

R. We want to come to perform work that is pure bestowal where I don't feel myself belonging to the work itself, or to the result from it, but only to the effort. If it is spirituality, I yearn only for the work, for the labor, and for nothing else. I yearn only for work, not before that, not afterwards, not while performing spiritual work. How do we choose a spiritual act where there is more labor? Where do we see ourselves as being able to succeed more? Where there is more labor. How do we weigh how much we are bestowing upon the Creator? Where there is more labor. The labor becomes my reward. We should think about it hard and start accepting reality in this way and get used to this truth. That's it. What's ahead of us, in truth, is a very simple situation. I find more pleasure the more I labor for the sake of the Creator. The labor becomes the source of pleasure, as he tells us with “the suitcase you carry for this great man”, etc.

18. S. (38:10) How can I work with the Creator above the feeling of joy and sorrow?

R. Our goal is specifically to be in joy, the greatest never stopping joy. The question is what are you happy about? That's the question our work is in scrutinizing it. The fact that we are drawn to the good state is good. But how do we change those forces? How do we begin to enjoy more and more from the exertion we are putting in? towards the one whom we love? Even in our world we respect such people who can exert and labor greatly for attaining certain goals and certain heroes.

19. S. (39:43) This evening you said to speak up that it's not supposed to think about hatred in order to get love. but now you just said we have to summon the darkness. What does it mean to summon the darkness?

R. This is part of it. It's not something we always need to do but there is a certain period in our work where you wish to summon the darkness. “I awakened the dawn” other such states. Why, because I wish to advance, I wish to know where my work is here. Just like we are in a group and there is no connection between us, we don't know exactly the state by which we are connected so what can we do? We are missing discernments. The discernment can come only by two opposites that we try to put together and place them one facing the other and that's how we learn.

20. S. (41:21) How do we not attribute anything to our cells besides the efforts and even the efforts not because they come from somewhere right?

R. No, I relate these or ascribe these efforts to me but I can ascribe the efforts to me except I want but I'm not sure and which direction you are asking?

S. We have to come to know that everything comes from one source and returns to one source and at the same time I attribute all kinds of things to myself. How do I not attribute them to myself, how do I attribute them only to the effort and nothing to myself?

R. I have to do what is required of me, meaning the way I feel it. The way that I am receiving from the Creator through the system a certain sensation and feeling. I have to bring this feeling that I am inside the system end in the connection with the good that does good in that system and that's my work to constantly maintain myself in this way that whatever I am getting whatever I'm receiving I am getting it through the 10 let's say or the 10 could be the entire vessel or it could be just my 10. I am getting it from the Creator that there is 'None Else Besides Him", and ' the good who does good. I need to connect my 10 in such a way that I will see, truly see the Creator as the good who does good' and as there is none else besides and that's it, I have nothing else. It says if I am looking out through my binoculars and I need to find the focus so my attitude towards the 10 should bring me to the state where I can see clearly that I am in contact with there is none else besides the good who does good and it all depends on me I change the focus on the lens until I can see it.

S. Can I somehow remove myself from this picture or will I always stay there for some time?

R. I can't take myself out of this picture because then there is no picture there is nothing.

21. S. (44:42) In this work on one hand we have to be thankful and in prayer. I see that there is a problem. There is an inclination to always want to be full instead of being deficient and in prayer and you want to come out of that prayer and out of that corner because the ego always works on you, it's keeping you in that state. When we work together, how can we beat ourselves up so to speak so I come out of that state so there is more movement?

R. I think it's because we don't understand that we have to move only in the connection between us that we have no problem in the entire world and in the worlds, wherever you want, we have no problem whatsoever. All the problems from the smallest to the greatest are always solved in the connection in the 10 inside the 10 and the more we advance the more we will feel the disturbances in the 10 and more and more in the 10 and from the whole world the disturbances will come into the 10 and In the 10, we will reach the end of correction just like that not 10 not 9,10 and not in the 11 inside and we need to truly put all of our focus on it.

S. What is the essence? What is the root of this lack of desire, anything but to turn the Creator anything but to pray?

R. Our pride, our ego of course, and even if I am turning to him, I am turning to him not with the request for correction but for the request for the fulfillment I want to receive. We need to try and find in the 10 each time such an atmosphere that would help us turn correctly to the Creator and in this each one should set an example for the other, each should help his friends.

22. S. (47:40) If I heard correctly, the efforts are already the result, the reward in the work, they bring us more and more coarseness and we have to choose labor, more labor what does that mean?

R. If we feel that the reward is the labor, the exertion, the more I exert towards someone great, the more I enjoy it. This becomes my pleasure and I don't ask for anything more than that. Then the more opportunities I get to invest correctly in the right direction, and for that upper force the happier I am and I feel myself, truly the happiest. Here we are starting to go through special degrees of nearing the Creator where those sensations of difficulty and suffering, it becomes what we say as we say it the affliction becomes pleasure, Nega becomes Oneg and here we say that we are turning the bitter to sweet and the darkness to light.

S. When I measure some difficult state above something and I connect more to the friends I am already satisfied with. Is there something, something additional here, greater, more scrutiny through the friends to the Creator, how does it work?

R. It is true here, you can stop along the way many times and be content with various compensations, egoistic compensations. But we need to go all the way in fact and that depends on the group not only the person. Rather as much as he is connected with the friends, he can see on them what he is lacking. If I can't see what else I am lacking in spiritual work, it is a sign that I am not connected with the friends.

S. Yes, except maybe to be more precise, maybe we should keep searching for more connection to live, more, in the friends?

R. Correct, yes.

23. S. (51:11) We are reading the excerpts and we're listening to you each day, you illuminate these writings in us but afterwards when we implement it in the 10, we fail, we have this problem of the ego that doesn't let us implement this mutual responsibility between us, the correction. What are we still missing in order to achieve it, how can we implement these excerpts in us in truth?

R. First of all, the fact that you feel that you cannot implement what we have just learned in the morning lesson is already good. It is half the work. That's what the Creator is doing to you. the upper light. Who is giving us this feeling that we are not adequate, we are not organized, we are not there. It is good we have to be grateful for it, grateful that's one thing, another thing, if in general we feel that things don't work out it is also a revelation from above. Such that other people do not feel it and we do feel it. We are not in the correct state relative to the Creator. He is doing it to us because there is none else besides Him and we receive everything from Him so be grateful that He is not letting go of us and he is truly pushing us forward. Next all the time to try between us, not with the Creator but between us the more we are able to come closer between us then from the connection between us if we feel that we are connecting more and more, from that we need to activate our prayer to the Creator and then you'll see how much you are able to draw him towards you. You will feel that you pulled him in.

24. S. (54:18) If my vessel now is only my 10, is it a sign that I belong to the body that is mentioned here and if it's a broader vessel than more to the soul?

R. No, relate to what is before you the friends and try to be in connection with them since through that you will reach everything. everything. Don't exchange them for anything.

25. S. (55:01) In my 10, with the prayers, we start with praising the Creator and we do gratitude and we do the plea and we do the gratitude again. Is this the wrong order?

R. Yes, yes, let's say that it is.

26. S. (55:34) It is not clear what the connection is between labor and pleasure. How does pleasure happen in labor?

R. We need to come to a state where the labor is the pleasure, the labor itself the exertion is the fulfillment. Of course, it is a correction that doesn't exist in the will to receive but in the will to bestow, the more I labor the more I enjoy. So, this is how we need to relate to the changes that have to be in us. I think about it all the time. I think about it that the labor, the exertion towards the friends and the Creator has to bring me fulfillment and pleasure.

S. Isn't the pleasure from the connection with the Creator?

R. The pleasure comes from the connection with the Creator, the connection with the Creator means that you're bestowing to the Creator and then you receive spiritual pleasure.

S. Does the pleasure from the labor, at that moment or does it come later?

R. Could be this way or that way it's not important, you're starting to be smart about it but you haven't even tasted it.

27. S. (57:26) It's not clear to me how thanks to the labor I do something that didn't exist before is created? How does the labor I do in the work, how my nature begins to create out of nothing the importance of the Creator which previously I did not have until I even see benefit in this and I want to do it? It gives me joy, it's not clear to me.

R. This is done by the reforming light. That's how it happens, it happens, why because, I have nothing to say about it you will discover it and then you'll begin to feel it but that is what is happening.

Excerpt 15 (58:50) Twice

28. S. (01:01:53) What does it mean that a person overcomes a state of the Sitra Achra, the other side?

R. He can't see that there is anything that disturbs him; rather all the forces of nature are as auxiliary forces; they all help him but, on both sides, on the left and on the right. But there is no one cruel in the king's palace, there is nothing bad in nature, in the world. Rather it is all organized in such a way that because of our lack of corrections we invoke such systems that work on us on the right and on the left good or bad so on and so forth but in truth it is all in order to bring us to the perfect state where all of these forces complement one another. Then we are rewarded with, well how should I put it, where are rewarded with wholeness and eternity, wholeness.

S. If I find myself in that state meaning I'm not working with it, I go to the 10 and I try to be incorporated there and connect to the prayer?

R. Of course, I don't get your question, it's clear that this is how it is.

29. S. (01:03:44) Does prayer and gratitude, is that considered bestowal upon the Creator?

R. Of course, yes

30. S. (01:04:08) How do we shift from preferring Connection with the Creator egotistically on top of the feeling of darkness to preferring connection with Him so we still really bestow upon Him?

R. I didn't understand the question.

S. How do we shift from preferring connection with the Creator egotistically on top of the feeling of darkness to preferring connection with him to really bestow upon Him?

R. What is the question I prefer to come to an egoistic connection?

S. On top of the feeling of darkness because you're saying … (Cut off By Rav)?

R. Doesn't work out all these conditions that you're asking about, they don't work together. I think it is a mistake in the definition of what is darkness and what is light in our connection with the Creator. It is not about having more understanding or less, or feeling sweeter or less, worse or less. Light and darkness is relative to my bestowal to the Creator more or less when I rise above the couple really good and bad and my understanding and feeling and only relative to the Creator if I can bestow to him, it is called light if I can't it is called darkness.

31. S. (01:05:41) What do I do if I don't notice the state of the ten every morning and what is the connection between the personal states their person goes through and his work through the 10 to the Creator?

R. For the time being, we cannot combine personal states in the family and other places just like the states of the whole world; we can't combine them with our inner spiritual states. Therefore, we first have to arrange our relationships in the 10 only there, on top of our states, according to how we advanced in the morning lesson and later will be able to advance from that point onward.

32. S. (01:06:37) What is the spiritual bread in us?

R. Bread is the force of bestowal. Whether it exists in you should check.

33. S. (01:07:08) When he has complete faith what is complete faith and how are we awarded in the 10 with it?

R. When he's connected with the friends in such a way in the connection between then they begin to discover the force of bestowal between them, the mutual force working between everyone and between everyone means that they discover it seemingly in the center of the connection between them. There in the connection between them that they have created they feel the revelation of the upper for the Creator who created that state from the beginning.

Excerpt 16 (01:08:01) Twice

34. S. (01:11:40) Why is it important to try to define the general state of the 10 and conduct a diary, a log which you mentioned, now and again.

R. It's very important for us to see the state of the 10 since this is the vessel through which we connect to the Creator and in this vessel, this vessel depends on our advancement and spiritual life in general. Consequently, we have no other concern in this life of ours except the state of the ten. This is my spiritual life, my eternal life and everything else that I am feeling that belongs to me that does not belong to me at all. Where will it be, what will be with it? I won't care about it but only one thing is important, my state in the ten and it should always grow and grow stronger.

S. What am I missing in the quality of our work so we can define our general state?

R. To think more and more and more only into the ten and from within the ten until we feel that this is what I used to think about my I, myself and the world and all sorts of things but from within myself that I'll start to think about it from within the ten, that there is nothing less than the ten, that is what is important. If I can come to such a state or at least I begin to imagine there's such a thing that should be and exist, and that I will one day reach, it's a good sign. It's a sign that I am on the right path. Simply inside the ten in spirituality and outside of it is corporeality.

S. How do we define that state as a sum of each one's private state or how?

R. The general state is not just the sum of our personal states rather it is we can say it is an integral if you learn mathematics, it is when he accepts all the qualities of one and all the qualities of everyone and he connects them in a way that it turns out that all of the similar and all of the contradicting qualities are incorporated together. According to what pattern, the pattern is simple in order to reach true bestowal. Accordingly, you build the sum total of our efforts. Meaning that's not well we will talk about it. the way we connect between us is, we will talk. When we'll talk about the Partzuf, the structure of the Partzuf, that's where we are going to scrutinize that.

35. S. (01:16:05) How do we remember previous descents without disconnecting from new vessels?

R. I am not supposed to recall anything, I don't have the states that I have been through already, I desire a new state where I must come to it every time more and more through the connection to the group and the connection with the Creator. This has to be for me a pattern when all the time I have to see myself in it.

36. S. (01:17:10) What does it mean to be a receiver of suffering?

R. To receive suffering everything that disconnects me from the Creator from attaining the Creator, in the attainment of the Creator which means that our disconnection from that is when I don't attain the quality of bestowing because the Creator is the quality of bestowing so if I don't attain the quality of bestowing in me then I don't attain the Creator. I hope you're hearing what I'm saying. As a result of that I am suffering and if I am not suffering, I may turn to the Creator and ask Him why am I not suffering from not discovering in me the qualities of his bestowal, why don't I care about who He is? Even in our corporeal life we want that, whatever I feel of what I am incorporated in that will be what is important for me is my environment, but in spirituality here I don't care about it.

37. S. (01:19:11) When we praise the name of the Lord, we get fulfillment from Him and we use words like Hallelujah. Is that a result of us connecting correctly?

R. I don't know. I haven't read about Hallelujah or anything and whatever you're praying it's not everyone praying this way which is why I can't interpret these things. Never come to me with these questions that we are not talking about otherwise I won't let you ask, I'm very sorry. I understand in what way we are going forward, whatever we are not going over that we are not using don't ask about it, we have known each other for 20 years already. Let's start understanding each other, to understand the way I teach, what I use and what I don't use. Any religious sign, if it belongs to any religion in any shape, I will not accept it. All we talk about is the desire to receive and that is what you have to bring to identify it with the Creator, I don't want any rituals or customs. It is disqualified in my eyes as it was customary in a certain group or nation, I don't care about it as I only care about one thing, how can a person living in this world connect to the Creator. That is what I teach. You are trying to connect, to bind all of the time what you are used to and how it is related, I don't want to talk about it as it is not related in my eyes.

Excerpt 17 (01:22:03) Twice

Excerpt 18 (01:25:22)

Excerpt 19 (01:27:03)

38. S. (01:28:45) In the excerpt he mentioned the state that you are in gratitude and in prayer but you said it is not possible to be in both at the same time?

R. Try, try and later we will talk.

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