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Dr. Michael Laitman

A New life

Talk # 262 — Talks About Sexual Education

November 11, 2013

Oren: Hello and thank you for joining us on "New Life"with Dr. Laitman.. Hello everyone, hello Nitzah Mazoz. And we are on the new life show trying to understand, what is the new life? Probably there is a better life than the life we know, but we have to learn how to come to it. What should we do? What should we change inside us in the way that we relate to things, the way we feel? Especially in the relations. Our life consists of the relations between us and the people who are not us. How to turn life into a better life? This is what we are engaged in and every time we are focused ourselves on something new, in order to get the general bright picture, and today we are talking about sexual education. How can we as parents start teaching our children something that will give them value in life, something that will give them a happier life? Instead of their life to fall apart, something we see more and more these days. Be with us there will be a lot to take. Nitzah opening remarks and get us into direction

Nitzah: We feel really perplexed as parents because we do not know, we do not have the knowledge, we do not have the understanding, and when we want to educate our children from the younger stage there is a feeling that we too are becoming kids in this aspect, because we ourselves do not really understand what that is

Dr. Laitman: That you are lacking in education yourselves

Nitzah: Yes, and through the kids and through their development, we as parents go through a developmental process too. And after the very interesting talk that we had on which, the previous talk, on which it was really clear that there is a whole world opening up here, that there is some kind of lack in understanding or awareness of the basic connection between male and female. Now I would really like to start learning how do I as a parent learn and undergo the same experience and educate my child from the youngest age, from the earliest stages, how to correctly relate to everything that has to do with a male, female sexuality. And the simple, most natural question that I am asking as a mother is, how do I explain to my small child the difference between the species?

Dr. Laitman: I would like to give a small intro to this. What we went through in the past 100 years, this whole big confusion, we first of all have to acknowledge that in our development nothing goes simply so in vain, but it is all according to a good, nice, precise plan. It is the first time today that we are perplexed, with respect to ourselves and our children, and the connection between the species, between the male and female, between all the parts of society. We are at least in the recognition of evil that we cannot be connected between us, that the connection is wrong, it is not a good connection; it gives us suffering, confusion and so on. The recognition of evil is something necessary because without that we could not reach the correction. What do I mean by recognition of evil? If we develop through nature, then nature it pushes us from behind and we develop. And from one generation to the next, according to our development, that is how we change. And the relation between the different species, it was according to the development of the generation. It was almost kept the same, with very slight changes, till let us say the twenty century, and we had no problem. Meaning, people, humanity did not really pay attention to it. It was not the topic because the development was natural. And now in the twenty century the natural connection was broken, the natural connection between the male and female disappeared. It changed, it took on completely different forms and they are only according to sex, without feelings, or feelings without sex, or between the species, among the same sex, and different forms. And we see that it is not natural. It is as if Nature left us and we are not filling its place, the place of Nature that previously developed us. And now after a few dozens, in the past few dozens of years, we are reaching a state of the big crisis. We are reaching the recognition of evil, and the recognition of evil is something good

Oren: These words, "recognition of evil," what do you mean?

Dr. Laitman: The recognition of evil in the lack of the right connection between man and woman. And that is the topic, right? So at least now we understand that there is something bad here. It had to go through at least two generations, but now we understand that we have entered something wrong, something unpleasant, that neither we nor our children understand, that we have nothing to pass on to them; we have nothing by which to help them create their good, nice life, that they are in a certain void, they are losing the direction of the right development, they have no framework. And we also are lacking the framework and cannot do anything. We somehow, we used to hold on to the previous development, but it did not exactly operate in us, and therefore we could not pass it on to them, and they already with their more advanced development could not accept it from us, or get it from us. And so what happened is that the young generation, they just live the way it happens and the way it will happen, and they take values and goals and forms of life, such that are random, whatever happens. And here, we finally reach the recognition of evil. What does it mean? No one is satisfied. Where I to see that my children are enjoying themselves, that they feel good, and I also see my grandchildren and they feel good, and they know where to go, I would have been happy. I would have felt good. But when I see that both my life is not exactly, but I somehow pushed according to the previous plan, according to the ancient examples. And still I am keeping myself this way, in the framework of the family, my children barely and my grandchildren, they are altogether not into it. That is why here we are reaching a state, it is called the recognition of evil. That here we had to compensate in a non-natural form, which previously it came to us naturally, and we understood how to advance, and the kids they learned from me like I learned it from my parents, and they learned it from my grandparents, from generation to generation the same framework would continue. But now there is no framework and when there is no framework, then that very basic cell, fundamental cell of human existence is destroyed. And so today we are in a state of where we are in space, so what is happening with humanity altogether? So the problem is not with children or some kind of education or giving them some lesson in this or in that, but what are we doing altogether? Now as much as it happens in the secular realm, also in the religious, they have problems of their own of course and maybe they want with all their powers to stop the destructions of the framework, but nonetheless it happens there too and we understand and see and know according to the number of divorces and how much they even suffer in the framework of the family, meaning it is the call of the hour, you cannot do anything about that. All of humanity is developing in this direction. Where I was in different places in the world, I really saw that this spirit of the light headed attitude toward the family framework, is roaming all over, that we have left the previous degree on which we have developed by nature, and passing on this, from generation to generation, this form was clear that this is how I am going to exist, this is how my parents were, I have to copy their form and keep on existing this way. Suddenly, in one or maximum two generations it disappeared. And of course the media and all these things, they helped us, that everything was destroyed. And now we have to understand, what is the need in coming out of this rigid form that passed us on in the framework from the family and even if I moved to some other place, but this stays? Today this does not stay. We have reached a state called the development of man; it is a development of the human part in us, where we are no longer in some kind of a group or a family or a flock, you know, keeping the natural development of things. But we have rose above Nature, meaning still, vegetative and animal, all these forms that exist in Nature. We already reach a degree higher than this, only we are not arranged according to this level yet, because on this level we have to arrange ourselves, the human level. That actually according to our body, according to our natural existence, we are the same living level. We need the food, sex, family, some kind of existence, some kind of framework, some kind of livelihood, right. But, we have to build a new framework ourselves here. It does not come by nature, it simply comes through our choice according to our new awareness that we have to acquire ourselves. And here, that is why first of all comes the recognition of evil, that we have lost the previous framework, and we need some kind of a framework which we do not know, a new framework. And without that, we really are completely committing suicide, really. We see the suffering generation that does not want to have children, that barely has one child for a family, and then in two or three generations we completely disappear altogether from earth, first maybe Europe and then also Asia and everyone. It is a matter of time, the direction is clear, and everyone is really perplexed, especially in Europe, and they actually cannot do anything. Because we always existed according to urges from nature, and here nature does not push us but only shows us that we are lacking any direction here, a new perception, a new philosophy of life, and therefore here we have to understand what is this level called, "Adam?” That according to it we have to build our framework. And Adam is called that he, first of all, he prefers the connection between him and others, the right connection, a mutual connection. And out of this connection he lives and arranges all aspects of his life. If earlier on all levels and the thousands of previous years we used to arrange the connection between us in order to fill ourselves especially with food, family, home, and then we would connect between us accordingly. How much am I needy of the other in order to fill my home, where the home was the source of life, and we brought everything home and this was my framework, this was myself. And today this framework is broken and I do not really feel that I belong to the family or to the home. And so what happens is that instead of that comes a different kind of connection, where my connection with people, with the other people, is the most important is my home. It is a completely different and opposite level to what it was before. That if previously I was an individualist, there was all the time, me in the center, now as much as it sounds not that comfortable and ordinary, I have to put in the center the connection between us, where the connection between us is my home. And in the right kind of connection between all people, it is not all people, we can start with the smaller societies, there I find first of all my basis not inside the home, inside my cave, inside my walls, but inside the reciprocal connection between me and the others. Where I start raising the important of the connection between us to the most important point of existence, of my existence. Meaning, man comes out of the living level where he previously lived this way in the family framework, he also came out of it and he is reaching the speaking level in which he connects with all people. And the connection between them is his inner place, this is his inner home. This is the future form which we are coming to. That first of all, all of us are raising the importance of the connection between us

Oren: What do you mean by connection?

Dr. Laitman: Connection meaning one desire, similar thoughts, that we start the connection between us like this global crisis necessitates us to be connected. Like what we see, that we cannot arrange anything in life because we do not want to connect, we do not want to care. Specifically with all the previous generations, I cared about how to fill my belly, this was the main thing.

Oren: What do you mean by belly?

Dr. Laitman: Food, food. I lived and my worries were on the animalistic level: food. Today we reach the state, suddenly in few dozens of years, we have no problem with food, the problem is the connection, the right connection between us. Everyone will have food, everyone will have everything. Meaning, there is no point in thinking about the previous generations. It will all be arranged on condition that you will be connected with the others, on condition that you will rise in your connection, to the connection with others, your whole animalistic level will be correctly organized. You simply have to be above this whole level, on the level of connection with everyone, which is called the human, speaking level.

Oren: You you redefine the definition of home.

Dr. Laitman: Home, it is not like it was before. It is not like I said, some cave or some different other places where animals lives, my home, my castle, does not matter what. It is no more the home. I do not feel myself connected to it, everyone flies, everyone runs, crosses all borders. Once the home was my piece of soil and clothes used to pass from generation to generation. The granddaughter used to wear the dress that her grandma wore, you got the profession from your dad, like my dad is so am I; he is a blacksmith so I am a blacksmith, he is a tailor, so I am. The home, the same home, if I do not live at the same home then next door, or build another story to the house like in villages. But all that is destroyed, people no longer belong to the animalistic level, the animate level, they are coming out of it. They are looking for something else, they do not know what yet. The speaking level it is a level which will get everything that I need on the animalistic level, but on condition that I will connect with everyone, and then all that humanity has, if we connect and correctly distribute it, then everyone will have enough. This is the condition that actually nature sets before us.

Oren: Just a look about the old home and the new home issue. When we are talking about a home, a home is equivalent in our talk to family. So, family, it was parents, kids, grandparents, where we have in the heart of it the male and female connecting and begetting the next generation and so on. When you say that in the past hundred years we have actually went through a process that brought to the destruction of the family cell, we are saying, “Guys, let us not grade this, lets understand that this is the process that had to happen. OK, so we reached the state where the family cell undergoes through different changes, kids do not know where there moms home is, the parents are divorced, the this, the that. You say that the next stage of our evolution, that in the evolution, in our evolution the previous home was destroyed and the new home is where I am not in the center, but the connection between the people becomes my new home. So here I kind of lost you in terms of the model of the male and female that connect and beget, the model of the home, this is lost, and the new home…

Dr. Laitman: The new home is everyone together.

Oren: Who is everyone?

Dr. Laitman: Everyone. There is no framework of a home, walls, and I am inside these walls with my female and my kids, my offspring, no. It will come as a result of the emotional connection of people between them. But now I will also take a woman, not because mom and dad chose for me, because that no longer exists, and not that today I chose according to sex, I look at her legs and nose and does she look like a model on the internet or whatever, I do not know according to what you check, if she fits some template. But I check her according to the inner, are we internally matching, is she with me or not with me in this, and then I will look at her and see someone who fits me, that together we are headed towards the mutual development and in this we complete each other.

Oren: I do not understand you fully.

Dr. Laitman: This is a new direction, of a new connection between two people, not between two male and female on the animalistic level, but male and female on the speaking level.

Oren: Explain please the difference.

Dr. Laitman: That I connect with her not because she fits me, because she cooks like my mom did and because she knows how to arrange the home like my grandma and mother did, and not because she is from the same village because we have the same character. She could not have my character at all, but because we unite according to a new mission, a new spirit which already exists in us, only we have to arrange it. The young generation does not have the old spirit and does not have the new spirit yet. They are in between the degrees, between the animate and speaking level, and they cannot find themselves because we did not give them the ascent. A young man and a young woman will correctly find themselves in the framework of the correct relationship, in this new integral education, according to how much they match. Then they will have a natural attraction to it and sex will be an addition to this because now besides this mutation that is passing by, this was never the main thing. It was never the main thing. It was something that accompanies the inner connection. But the inner connection on the living level, I used to appreciate a woman because we have mutual kids, she takes care of the home, everything is fine, so I had sexual relations with her accordingly, on the animalistic level. On the speaking level it is also going to be because we are in a special connection in attaining something out of our connection

Oren: I want to summarize…

Dr. Laitman: It has to be, just understand. The sexual connection is a connection between two animals, two animals. You call it man and woman, call it male and female, the male sex and the female sex connect between them. Suddenly you raise the connection between them to something that, you know, really flies in the air, something important. Give it no more importance then what it is. It is only artificially how it happens in the meantime, until we find the new framework for it. The new framework is the spiritual framework, that I have to spiritually connect to a woman on the human level.

Oren: What do you mean by spiritual?

Dr. Laitman: Spiritual it means that I have a mutual internality with her, our goal in life, that we have to attain something exalted. And then from that we will feel that we can be together in everything, that our sex is also according to some big addition to the connection between us, that we feel that we are more connected. This is a completely different kind of connection. By this you bring out many more pleasures if you add the inner connection, spiritual, emotional connection, to the animalistic, actually corporeal level.

Nitzah: What is that spiritual connection? I am trying to grab hold of it, touch it, to understand what it is. Is it a connection that is more mental?

Dr. Laitman: Its only mental, something that was not there before, what mental connection is there today between him and her? nothing. Therefore, you know, you jump, people jump from one to the other, because it is a searching generation.

Oren: What are they searching for?

Dr. Laitman: The internality of things. What do I have in the simple sexual act with someone? Nothing, today they even exchange it for machines to different means, why? Because they are looking for feelings, but the feelings that are above the sexual feeling. Therefore it comes with drugs and alcohol in different forms and orgies and everything, look at the sexual props you have today. You have a whole, I do not know, shopping center for it. Why? Because there is a search through this feeling, to find in this feeling something higher. And they will not find it, they will not. People even deplete themselves of it, empty themselves of it. You have to go to a different approach, you will find it, but if you first of all achieve the spiritual connection, emotional connection between the spouses, and then this way you will also reach the good mating coupling.

Oren: I do not understand the…

Dr. Laitman: And not only that, you will also have the perfect home, and the perfect children and everything. You will put the right spirit into everything.

Oren: This I do not understand what is the spiritual connection?

Dr. Laitman: That you do not achieve the human level without correctly connecting to the woman. Meaning, that you have to transcend your ego and be in "love another other as myself," be connected to each and every person nicely, emotionally, bestowing on to others. And if you have these things you also express it in sex.

Oren: I do not get it.

Nitzah: Let us try and find out this way; what are the criterias in the spiritual connection that I will start scrutinize this feeling?

Dr. Laitman: That she and I undergo integral education together .

Nitzah: That is the education process we are already in, great. But how do I know, suppose that, I now undergo some process and feel that I have some kind of spiritual connection?

Dr. Laitman: First of all you have to feel yourself inside the connection. It is something completely different, so these are discernments you did not have before, in the connection in the group, with many people, men, women. You will start feeling, what does it mean to be in contact, and you do not look about a person’s externality, but first of all at his internality, that there is something about him that completes him and he completes you and you feel that there is , it is not something natural, emotional, let us call it hormonal, but from a higher level, that specifically through the connection between everyone, and I am talking about many men and women and the connection between everyone, you form a place for mutual feeling higher than all of you, the mutual group force, I would say a mass force, and this force it revives each one of that society and from the feeling of that power, where each acquires this level called "Adam," then from this you start seeing who is most suitable for his connection, personal connection, intimate connection, where intimacy, not meaning bodies, but to complete that feeling even more. And here we reach a state that you, suppose you are looking for whatever you are looking for, he is called dad, “ABA," and you called mom,"IMA." And what you are looking for is called the son and daughter, you are looking for where is my daughter? Meaning, that part of me that will connect to someone that is called his son and then it will be a spouse. It is something that, these are two levels, a mother and father, and son and daughter. Meaning, only when you reach the feeling of mutuality, first of all in a broad society, you start feeling what the feeling of mutuality between spouses is. Then you learn what mutuality is: partnership. Before that you do not have the feeling of partnership. Before that you were simply two egoists, that each one of them understood it is worthwhile if I fill her, she fills me, and we start living together, maybe we are compatible, maybe we are not, and so on. Here it is a completely different thing. First of all, we acquire the sense of bestowal, a mutual sense, and out of this sense, of each and every one, and from it we start discerning who is most suitable for me. It is hard for me to express this but…

Nitzah: I will tell you what I understand. If up til now we have connected one man, one woman, we tried to make the connection between us. If I understand correctly, now you are saying there is a group of people, a group of women here and a group of men…

Dr. Laitman: No not necessarily a group of men, a group of women. It could be a mutual group. It could be mixed

Nitzah: it could be mixed?

Dr. Laitman: Yes, because there is no man and woman here. You have a completion with the whole human race, everyone. You do not look at a person wether he is a man or a woman. We transcend the bodies, we want to be connected together between us to some higher idea.

Nitzah: But do we lose this place of the male and female? --

Dr. Laitman:Yes, we lose it, in the connection between us we lose the place, in the meantime, in order to acquire the new sense that is called the sense of love, connection. When you grab hold of that sense, then from it, I evoke in it, who am I, male, female, does not matter. Who can I complete myself with? And then I find her or him, but I go level down, then I start seeing on what levels of the still, vegetative, of the animate, I start seeing that all of those degrees are inside man, and man he purifies everything, completes everything, and then I look at how can I complete this whole nature within me on the right connection, on the human level, by connecting to someone with whom we are as a family. I connect to different other levels of the still and vegetative, and all that, I put into the same connection.

Nitzah: So now I am a mom and I have a three year old child and he is starting to take interest in his sexuality. What do I tell him? What do I explain? In light of all that you said?

Dr. Laitman: Put him into the right group, that they are taught and brought up to be correctly interacted with one another, connected with one another.

Nitzah: So, to put my son where?

Dr. Laitman: Into a kindergarten where he is taught how to correctly be connected to the others, why, what for, different games, different exercises in connection.

Nitzah: What will he learn?

Dr. Laitman: He will learn that being connected with others is good. That you always have to help others, and they help you, and in this way we advance to the mutual help by which we lose gradually our ego. Lose, meaning, not that it is lost but it becomes processed, we process it in terms of it helping us, and this is how we grow. We grow in years and we also grow in terms of our ego constantly growing, and we process it together to be in a stronger and stronger connection between us

Nitzah: So I understand that in that same kindergarten…

Dr. Laitman: Kindergarten, school, it has to be from dusk till dawn.

Nitzah: This education that we teach them how to connect correctly between them and nonetheless I am at home, when the kid goes home, and how do I continue that educational sequence? How do I keep on educating him in the same direction that he got in the kindergarten?

Dr. Laitman: At home you play the same games that he had at the kindergarten, you explain a bit more how to be inner connected, and why and how according to the instructions that you get, according to what you yourselves have to go through to be the right mom.

Nitzah: What I am trying to understand is where does the teaching come from, it is not a one size teaching, for boys and girls, but how to relate to the sex of the child?

Dr. Laitman: No, first of all we raise them above that, because sex is on the animalistic level, and we have to raise them to the speaking level

Oren: Wait, I do not get this. I have a daughter and son. One is a boy and one is a girl, there is a difference, right?

Dr. Laitman: Yes there is a difference

Oren: OK, so do I have to talk to them about it?

Dr. Laitman: Yes, but how do you educate them? You educate them to be connected.

Oren: OK, this I get, to be in mutual help, this is something general that always fits everything and everyone, inside the good connection between people….

Dr. Laitman: No, no, no, no, I am sorry. Its not OK like you say, and you move on, no. This has to all the time be the main topic, so that al the rest, if at all, will be an addition.

Oren: I am asking about the addition

Dr. Laitman: No addition.

Oren: If he is three or she is three, to educate them to good connections and helping others.

Dr. Laitman: Yes, constantly with examples.

Oren: Now one is three years old, and the other is, let us say not three years old, you say when, at some point do you talk to the boy or the girl about them being a boy or that she is a girl? Do you relate to that?

Dr. Laitman: You relate as a completion to the spiritual connection between them.

Oren: Between whom?

Dr. Laitman: The boy and the girl.

Oren: Wait, I lost you. We have a baby born, sometimes a boy sometimes a girl. I start bringing them up, at home, kindergarten, frameworks, regardless. Sometimes, do I relate to their sexual identity?

Dr. Laitman: Yes.

Oren: When?

Dr. Laitman: When it awakens in them.

Oren: How?

Dr. Laitman: Add it to the integral education.

Oren: Yes, that is in general, but what do I….

Dr. Laitman: No, it is not in general. You explain to them that this too was giving to us in order for us to be even more strongly connected in the connection between us.

Oren: What does it mean, “This too?”

Dr. Laitman: The sexual connection.

Oren: Sexual connection at the age of three?

Dr. Laitman: So, then what are you talking about? This I do not understand.

Oren: I will explain. I have a baby born boy or a baby girl and they have a gender, nature gave them sexuality once a male and once a female.

Dr. Laitman: What do they understand about sex?

Oren: They do not understand anything about sex. I am not talking about them. I am talking about myself as a mom or a dad. I have a baby born, boy or a girl. I bring them up, the question is simple: do I start teaching them that there are two species in nature male and female?

Dr. Laitman: Of course.

Oren: So what do I teach them with respect to this?

Dr. Laitman: That in nature there are two sexes. One pees this way and the other pees that way. When my kids were small I took them to Canada to a special museum, the nature museum in Toronto, beautiful museum, I went with them and I showed them really good movies about sex, about how children are born, everything. I sat next to them and I explained to them, on a simple scientific way, and it was very simple.

Oren: Clearly, on the physiological level…

Dr. Laitman: Because it has to do with the animalistic level.

Oren: OK, that is clear, the female part and the male part.

Dr. Laitman: Right? This is how you pee and this is how you have children.

Oren: Wait, does the physiological differences…

Dr. Laitman: There is no other physiological differences, besides, there is the sexual attraction or connection, which we have to use in order to enlarge, increase the connection on the human level.

Oren: What?

Dr. Laitman: We have to use the sexual attraction in order to be more connected on the human level. I know that you like a specific soup. So I use my craftsmanship in making that kind of soup, for it to be excellent in order to connect to you.

Oren: If you love me, if you are my friend.

Dr. Laitman: Yes, in order to connect with you, I am telling you, so this is how we use sex too. I want to be in contact with someone spiritually and that is why we connect sexually too, between us, and together build a nest, a cave, a tent, or however you call it, and we make children and so on, because I want to be connected to her in heart and soul, and in sex too. I do not have the words.

Oren: Wait, wait, wait, I have a thousand questions about this, you said…

Dr. Laitman: Meaning, we care only for the connection, for the education, how to connect for our children to grow on a different level than ours, and all the rest of the desires, good, bad, does not matter. There is no good or bad. Whatever we can connect, to the connection between people, love another as myself, this will be called the good inclination, and also the sexual inclination will be called good inclination.

Oren: You are adding things all the time. I have a lot of questions. Let us not add further ideas, let us just ask about what we have had till now. Let us start with home. I understand that there is a home like we have perceived it, up till now, and now we are moving on to a new development of the term of “home.” You said that in the home that we had till now, in all generations, I was in the center, and in the new home that we are advancing toward in our development, as people in the human development in us, there the connection is in the center, not me in the center, but the connection between the people.

Dr. Laitman: The center of society.

Oren: OK, so wait, each time you add something, because the ideas are complicated, each time you add something it is hard to stay focused, wait, do not add. I am in the center, that is the old home, the connection in the center is the new home, right? Throughout all the generations a person felt that his home is where he is in the center. Now you are saying the old home is falling apart, as you can see it in practice, the family cell is falling apart. Now we head towards something new, which is the development of our spirit as human beings in which the connection…

Dr. Laitman: The connection among everyone.

Oren: What does it mean, everyone? All of humanity?

Dr. Laitman: Men, women, the whole of humanity.

Oren: OK, I do not know what the whole of humanity is, but I understand me or connection, this is what I can grasp. There is me in the center, me in my home, and there is the connection, and the connection I understand is a connection with…

Dr. Laitman: Community let us say.

Oren: Something, OK. How does that have to do with the classical connection between a man and a woman that was in all the generations and is falling apart today? And the future connection between a man and a woman in terms of the new definition of home?

Dr. Laitman: That they are like the old family cell in the new kind of connection.

Oren: OK, let us say I understand. I will ask another thing….

Dr. Laitman: Because together they are like a nucleus, like an atom. You cannot just have half, there is no plus without minus, and so on. They are both a cell that connects with the rest of the cells and then they comprise a body. That is the new structure of humanity.

Nitzah: And previously we were all like molecules, like separated atoms?

Dr. Laitman: We were as nature.

Oren: But it was true before too, you got together, had a family, and a society.

Dr. Laitman: What society?

Oren: Wherever you live, in a country, in a village, whatever.

Dr. Laitman: No, no, no, you took everything home. Now from the home you take everything into society. Now the center, the center is there.

Oren: Where?

Dr. Laitman: In the connection between everyone, in the center of society and not at your home. You used to come out of home in order to provide for your family, now you leave your home in order to provide the general connection between everyone, the centre of society that is the important thing

Oren: OK, let us leave the society aside.

Dr. Laitman: That is the general home of everyone.

Oren: Let us get back to, you said something else, you said that once you used to choose a woman, you graded it, the way you felt it, on three levels, there was the thousand years till now, you grew up in a village, you took something that was matching, similar to your parents. Now you said in the past one hundred years we have the second development where I start choosing a woman whether she is sexy or not, does she fit the images that I got.

Dr. Laitman: Because you do not know how to choose, the previous state is gone.

Oren: The ancient natural one, OK, it was for thousands of years and in the past hundred years I have different models, of culture and media…

Dr. Laitman: You followed something, you do not even know what, you are just told you need this, you need that. Today, you do not choose a woman according to your corporeal taste, bodily animalistic taste, and neither according to a spiritual one; it is an intermediate state.

Oren: OK, and then you said we are headed toward something new, where you will choose a new woman according to how we match internally.

Dr. Laitman: The human level in you. If you lived in the animalistic level then you would have known what to choose, this one fits me.

Oren: From my village.

Dr. Laitman: Yes

Oren: The neighbour’s daughter.

Dr. Laitman: Yes. Now with respect toward the human level, you did not reach it yet, and choosing there, because there you have to choose according to the soul.

Oren: What does it mean, to choose according to the soul?

Dr. Laitman: To choose according to my inner connection that does not have to do with the body. It has to do to with to what extent do she and I, do we fit in being closest in order to achieve the goal of unity between us. "Man and a woman and Divinity between them.” How to put this?

Nitzah: What do I feel when I meet such a soul?

Dr. Laitman: You do not feel anything, it has to be from the same society where everyone gets the integral education, where you see that first of all you acquire the feeling of connection between everyone. There is a new sense, the sense of unity, and out of that sense of unity you start feeling, who is the man that can give me, let me be connected to, the connection, even on the animalistic level, because sex is on the animalistic level. It developed now in a form that we can connect it to the human level, but actually it is on the animalistic level, and then even not on the animalistic level, then even on the vegetative and still level we will connect it. Meaning, everything, all that I have I will be able to connect with other people through sex, through reciprocal connections of different forms, but sex in the family cell, which is the plus and minus like in an atom, that connect and that is why it will remain and it will continue; I am not talking about the generations. It will not be some kind of commune where everyone gives birth and not knowing who is the father. No, it will stay as the animalistic level where we take care of our offspring, but all of this family cell belongs to the general connection. This is what it works for, for this general idea, and accordingly I choose the woman that fits me, suits me, and accordingly I bring up my children.

Oren: You said that today people are looking for some kind of additional feeling in the sex therefore it is accompanied by alcohol, drugs, orgies, different things that people do not feel enough with what they feel now.

Dr. Laitman: Because they…

Oren: What is that additional thing that they want to feel for which they add to the sexual experience, things that will enrichen it, that will maybe bring me to it?

Dr. Laitman: Maybe.

Oren: What are we searching for?

Dr. Laitman: Feeling on the speaking level.

Oren: What is that?

Dr. Laitman: That will fill my deficiencies that have to do with the right connection between people in a higher level, and I do not have it. I am searching but I cannot find it. So I take drugs eventually and this is what happens in humanity.

Oren: So, what do you search for? This I do not get. What is that additional feeling that you search for?

Dr. Laitman: To come out of the living level, to transcend to the speaking level. That is called that I get a fulfilment for “who am I,” “what am I,” “what am I for,” that I get a fulfilment from a higher level which is beyond life and death, that I get a fulfilment for my inner desires which I am not aware of yet, but they already awaken in me, desires of being above life. The still, vegetative, and animate is in nature, in life, and the human level is not. The human level is above life, above the biological existence. This is what I am looking for, subconsciously, I do not understand this yet, but this is what I am aspiring for, thriving for.

Oren: So when you say today that people are not satisfied with sex naturally and add different things to it like alcohol, drugs and so on, they are actually looking for what will be the addition that will give me the sexual connection for it to open some emotional realm in which I will feel what?

Dr. Laitman: Feel beyond life.

Oren: What does that mean?

Dr. Laitman: Beyond the boundaries of life. We thought that we will find it in space. We saw that there is nothing besides still, big still objects floating around, so humanity closed it down, very quickly. They are still searching, maybe there is some bug on Mars or whatever. We have nothing to look for. We are targeted by nature to reach a state, in what form, how do I find, where do I find this breakthrough beyond life, this is what we are looking for. If not then this whole life… give me a drug, or give me a pill or something and then I will finish with it all, what is it all for?

Oren: So this outburst that we are looking for…

Dr. Laitman: It is in the center of society. If we connect then through that we reach, we rise to the essence of existence which is above the animalistic existence, and this is what we aspire for. And also the sexual life, therefore, we can connect to it everything that we can. All the more the feeling, the strong force, that is the sexual force that we can connect to it, and by through it we will further rise to the human level.

Oren: What is in the connection between the male and a female through which we can burst through the boundaries of life?

Dr. Laitman: If I connect everything that I have on the previous levels of still vegetative and animate, in whatever I am, in what I am in this whole world, if I connect it all with all the other people to attaining the speaking level, we flourish, we come out into a dimension that is beyond life.

Oren: Again, what is in the connection between the male and female, in people, that specifically there, there is this outburst, bursting through the boundaries of life?

Dr. Laitman: That by this we correctly connect the positive and negative forces, the male and female force for attaining a goal higher than us. By this we realize the animalistic connection for attaining the spiritual goal.

Oren: When you are saying the whole show, a spiritual goal, I do not get it.

Dr. Laitman: Spiritual means beyond time, space and motion, beyond our life, beyond the boundaries of life and death.

Oren: What is beyond the boundaries of life and death?

Dr. Laitman: Life on the animalistic level is here and life on the speaking, human level is there.

Oren: Essentially, what does it mean beyond life and death?

Dr. Laitman: Essentially? Limitless life, whole and perfect.

Oren: What do they depend on?

Dr. Laitman: That you will target everything that you have here and now for attaining that life.

Oren: I do not understand. Technically, what does it depend on?

Dr. Laitman: Technically, connection with others, love another as myself.

Oren: Why?

Dr. Laitman: Because then you come out of your small, animalistic, corporeal, egoistic, central ego on the animalistic level to the speaking level. Speaking level means to bestow instead of receiving within one's shell, home into the new family cell, therefore this will be destroyed and rebuilt and sex will get a spiritual fulfilment.

Oren: OK, unfortunately our time is up.

Dr. Laitman: It is always this way, if it ends when when we still want to continue.

Oren: So thank you very much Dr. Laitman. Thank you Nitzah. Thank you for being with us. Together building a new home in the connections between us, all the best.

(End of the conversation)