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Daily Lesson (Morning) November 28, 2024.

Part 2: On the Verge of Lishma - Selected Excerpts from the Sources. #14.

Reader: We are reading selected excerpts from our sources on the topic of On the Verge of Lishma. We're continuing from Number 14 by the Rabash. You can find the study materials on our website and also ask questions, there. Number 14 by the Rabash.

Reading: (00:26) 14. RABASH, Letter No. 16

Baal HaSulam said that to be rewarded with Lishma (for Her Name), we first need to prepare the biggest Lo Lishma (not for Her Name), and then we can achieve Lishma. And similarly, Lo Lishma is called a “lie” and Lishma is called “truth.”

When the lie is small and the Mitzvot and good deeds are few, he has a small Lo Lishma, and then he cannot see the truth. Hence, in that state, he says that he is walking on the good and true path, meaning working Lishma.

But when he engages in Torah all day and all night in Lo Lishma, then he can see the truth, since by the accumulation of lies, his lie increases and he sees that he is indeed walking on a false path.

And then he begins to correct his actions. In other words, he feels that everything he does is only Lo Lishma. From this point, one passes to the path of truth, to Lishma. Only here, at this point, does the issue of “from Lo Lishma one comes to Lishma”. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:43) There is a state that he says that he engages day and night in Lo Lishma, and then he can see the truth because of the accumulation of lies, the lie increases, and he sees that he is walking on a false path. Then he begins to correct his actions, but from this point he can go to the path of truth, meaning Lishma. But a person also has a different possibility in this crossroads. A person can go, see lies, and he can say, I'm not on the true path, I'm not on the path towards the truth. So, what will determine the choice in this crossroads? That from this point, you suddenly go to the path of truth?

M. Laitman: That he needs to correct himself and not that the path is incorrect, the path is actually correct. 

Student: But he discovers that he's in a lie? 

M. Laitman: He's in a lie, yes. 

Student: Where will he have motivation to correct himself? He tried to correct himself until now, he saw that he's in a lie.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: He thought he was going to go on the path of truth to correct himself. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Discover that he's in a lie. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Where will he have motivation to correct himself? That's what he did until now, that's what brought him to this lie, to discover that he's in this great lie. 

M. Laitman: So, now he has the possibility to come down from the path to the lie, even greater and greater, and to search how to appeal to the truth.

Student: But that's what he did until now, what is he doing differently, now? Until now, he wanted to go towards the truth, he discovered that he's in a lie, so what's the advice now? 

M. Laitman: Go around, turn around. 

Student: Turn around to where? 

M. Laitman: To the right direction.

Student: But he thought he's in the right direction. 

M. Laitman: He thought but now he discovered that it wasn't that correct, that if he continues in that path, he will reach the lie.

Student: Then he understands that if he keeps going now, to go on the path of truth, just like he thought until now, he will keep advancing towards a lie, because the way he sees it is that he's advancing on a false path.

M. Laitman: To change his fundamentals, his foundations.

Student: Yes but where did it come from? 

M. Laitman: Where will he do this? 

Student: Yes. What does it mean to change his foundations?

M. Laitman: That, the way he examined himself before, that he was going in the path, in the correct path, and now he discovers that it's an incorrect path, that led him to.

Student: To the lie?

M. Laitman: To the lie, yes. So, what can he do? Invert his approach.

Student: To what? 

M. Laitman: That, what appeared to him before, that he was going according to the truth in his hand, now he will see that it's not correct.

Student: He sees it's not right but where will a new understanding and a new feeling come to choose the truth? 

M. Laitman: And the fact that he is certain that, like he was before, he won't advance. So, how does he advance? He needs to take the previous discernments and to invert them; and then probably, he will reach in such a way to the path of truth. 

Student: The fact that he sees that he's not advancing on the previous path, it doesn't mean that he has a way to advance on a new path. He just sees that he's not advancing on the previous path.

M. Laitman: Then he only has, all that's left for him is to cry out and pray.

Student: For what?

M. Laitman: For the Creator to arrange for him the correct path. 

Student: Where will he have the forces to pray because if he feels that he's on a lie?

M. Laitman: Out of praying for the lie, he will reach the truth.

Student: It's not so clear because supposedly, until now he wanted to pray, he wanted to reach the truth, discovered that he's in a lie. So, what advice does he have to just keep praying? Because he's not changing the foundations, it's the same thing he did before that brought him to the lie. Now, he's doing the same advice, he's praying?

M. Laitman: But he can't change his foundations. 

Student: Exactly, that's why it's not clear what he says here. From this point, you go to the truth, meaning Lishma. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, how does that point come, suddenly, a new point? 

M. Laitman: From reaching the end of the lie. From reaching the end of the lie, now he has before him the path of truth, the point of truth. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (09:12) What is a lie on the path? What does it mean that I revealed a lie? 

M. Laitman: That you are in some discernments, wanting to reach the truth, and you see that it's not leading you there.

Student: But before I want to reach the truth, I have to understand what a lie is. So how do I discover what is a lie on the path is?

M. Laitman: A lie on the path is where you are on the path, advancing but each time you discover that you're in a greater lie. Although you didn't think that way. 

Student: The lie I discover, is that about the intention, the intention of my deeds? Is that the lie or is it not only there? Because we're always speaking about the intention to aim our deeds to bestow: To bestow to the friends, to bestow to the Creator. So, what is the lie? That I do the actions now without the true intention, can I say that that is a lie? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And then, what do I have to ask for? That the Creator will give me the true intention to aim all my actions Lishma – for my friends and from the friends of the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:12) A person pretty early discovers that he's an egoist. 

M. Laitman: Yes? 

Student: He says, the change only comes once a person recognizes a state. But you discover it in the beginning, so, what's the problem? Why doesn't he just invert himself easily and that's it? In the beginning of the path, the person sees that everything is for his own benefit, that he's an egoist, that he's a zero. 

M. Laitman: What do you recommend?

Student: I'm not recommending, I don't understand this correction. What are they expecting from a person? Also, Rabash writes here that the change is only from a person's awareness. But you're aware from the beginning, I think most of us. That we are egoists and opposite of the Creator.

M. Laitman: Well? 

Student: Why doesn't the change come? 

M. Laitman: Because you're not aimed towards it. 

Student: It's not clear what the awareness that brings the change is, what awareness do you have to reach?

M. Laitman: I am now in the lie, in Lo Lishma; and in truth, I don't even care to remain in that. 

Student: So, as much as a person doesn't stand it, let's say.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (12:57) Why is a person given the illusion that he determines in this world? Because the Creator determines in all the worlds including this one. So, my question is why does a person still just fool himself?

M. Laitman: Because he wants this. 

Student: Okay, I accept that. Why are there people that prefer to speak through the thought? Why? 

M. Laitman: That's how they're built.

Student: What's in the force of prayer and forgiveness to correct the soul?

M. Laitman: It's connected to the Creator. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (14:18) When a person discovers he's in a lie, he won't ask to reach the truth, if it won't be painful for him. Meaning, he has to reach pain to understand that it'll hurt him. And here the question is what needs to be painful so a person will want to reach Lishma? What is that pain that will move him that he'll ask for Lishma?

M. Laitman: I don't understand? What is that pain that a person needs to feel in order to turn yourself, correctly? Well, that's something you need to say.

Student: When a person discovers that he's in Lo Lishma, why is it painful for him? What is painful from that? 

M. Laitman: Because he's not reaching the purpose of creation. 

Student: What's painful in that? That he didn't reach the purpose of creation. What should he feel in this pain? 

M. Laitman: That he remains empty. 

Student: He hurts about himself?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What about a general pain, a common pain? Can he reach that?

M. Laitman: If the light illuminates upon him, in general, then it could be that he will feel a general sorrow.

Student: If it's not painful for me that I'm not lacking Lishma, it's not painful for me. Can I artificially search for that pain, that I don't have a yearning for it?

M. Laitman: No.

Student: It has to be painful that it's not painful? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (17:17) It turns out that the point of lie is the biggest truth that a person ever had. So, when we scrutinize between the truth and false compared to the – I feel better or worse than before – is that the entrance to Lishma?

M. Laitman: Could be, it could be. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (17:55) This excerpt confused me, completely: A person is in the Ten and tries to do actions to contribute to the friends. To connect to the friends, to connect them. When he does that calculation with himself, in the end, he discovers that there was always the will to receive that led him there – there's no question about it. But when he looks around at his friends, they enjoyed the action he did, we connected a bit more. We did an action that seemed as something of bestowal, we read something together, we ate something together. So, why do I care if in the end my intention wasn't good? They felt good, they're advancing, it seems they're connecting, the action seems right. At least that's what I understand. So, why do I care if I have the will to receive inside that's burning? It's always there, I can't go out of it anyway. 

M. Laitman: Do you think that that's correct?

Student: Obviously not, but I don't know how to get out of this loop because it's written that he says he'll change his deeds. But you try to do good to the friends, to connect to them, so I should stop doing that? I don't understand?

M. Laitman: Okay.

Student: What okay, it's not okay. 

M. Laitman: It's okay that soon we'll reveal it.

Student: Is there a way to come out of this loop?

M. Laitman: I don't think so.

Student: In this state, is it better to sit and not do? 

M. Laitman: It could be that that's the best solution.

Student: What does that mean, then? So, he sits in the Ten and I become like a receiver instead of trying to give them something – I'll just sit and wait for them to do actions? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: That's right, to work in the Ten like that?

M. Laitman: If there's no choice, then yes.

Student: That's the advice, you're advising me to do that? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Isn't it the opposite from all we're studying? 

M. Laitman: That's not important.

Student: Why not? 

M. Laitman: Because when you try, you'll discover something new.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:06) What's a bigger Lo Lishma?

M. Laitman: Lo Lishma means opposite coming closer to the purpose of creation in a greater and greater way.

Student: Let's say in the Ten, we want to reach one intention in order to bestow.

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: We meet, we enjoy the connection but we see that we can't really bestow. So, what will be the next step for the Lo Lishma to grow, even more? 

M. Laitman: You really want to grow the Lo Lishma?

Student: No, he says the Lo Lishma grows.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What should we do for it to happen and not that we will remain in the same state – that the lie will grow? That it'll be more clear that we're in a lie.

M. Laitman: You search for how to perform actions in order to grow Lo Lishma in an aimed manner. 

Student: We're aiming to be in one intention, we want to be in one intention, that's where we're aiming. So, we see we're doing everything for ourselves, that we're enjoying the connection for ourselves. So, what's the next step to discover or even lying even more? 

M. Laitman: Why? You can't aim yourself from this time to next time for it to be more in a lie.

Student: But Rabash says that the lie has to grow. So, we need to demand a bigger intention? Or just to insist that we want one intention and then?

M. Laitman: Maybe, specifically, if you want to discover the truth and only it, then you'll discover the truth? 

Student: What does it mean to want to discover the lie and only that? 

M. Laitman: Like you said earlier, that by you intending towards connection, let's say, then you reach the lie? 

Student: How to hate the lie? 

M. Laitman: If you know that's what distances you from the purpose of creation, then it's truly by you, right here, where you are. One step and you're in the end of Correction.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (24:27) It's written, my teacher said that in order to reach Lishma, you have to prepare the biggest Lo Lishma then you can achieve Lishma. What is the biggest Lo Lishma? Is there an end to Lo Lishma? 

M. Laitman: Yes. I want with all my desires, all my thoughts, I want to delight myself. 

Student: Can we skip over preparing the biggest Lo Lishma? Meaning the Lishma before that, is it possible?

M. Laitman: Yes, that's what I just said.

Student: It's written that we have to prepare the biggest Lo Lishma, first. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: It's not clear if we need to or not?

M. Laitman: We need. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (25:38) We're going to start talking between us – the friends – with the importance to raise, we want to raise the importance of our meals. We learned in the morning that during the lesson, we have to connect our intentions. So, how to do it during a meal, too? How to connect in a meal? 

M. Laitman: You need to think about it, you have to think about it. But, specifically, in a meal, all the Kabbalists say the same thing, that it's for connection., it's the greatest action you can have, and so on, and so on.

Student: Right at the meal, it is even more than a lesson, so because it's such an important event in our spiritual life. How to use it correctly in order to reach that common intention of Lishma? How can we use the meal to reach Lishma? What do we need to do there that doesn't happen in the lesson? 

M. Laitman: That you now are eating together, enjoying the meal and you want to pass this enjoyment as if you don't feel anything, to your friends. And that's it, there are a lot of stories in the Hasidic stories about this. About someone who took a piece of bread and wanted to eat it and he had to give it to a friend, something there. So, the friend felt that in the bread there's no flavors, nothing. Meaning, well, there are all kinds of stories like that. So, let's hope that we can sit together and enjoy sitting together; that, the meal that we're intending, it will fill us. 

Student: What gives us the taste in the meal because you say, you have to come to a state where it's tasteless. What are the flavors in the meal? 

M. Laitman: The flavors from the upper light connecting to the vessels.

Student: So, when I eat, I need to feel pleasure? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: From what? 

M. Laitman: From whatever you think that needs to be. That the upper light fills the vessels. 

Reader: (29:58) So we'll move to the next part, the study between friends.