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Daily Lesson (Morning) September 24, 2024.
Part 1: Baal HaSulam. Introduction to The Study of the Ten Sefirot
Reader: Hello, we are studying the “Introduction to The Study of the Ten Sefirot.” We're continuing with item number ten. You can find it in our study materials in Sviva Tova and the Arvut System, as well as in the Writing’s of Baal HaSulam. Again, the “Introduction to the Study of the Ten Sefirot,” item ten.
Reading: (00:27) 10) The Zohar (Beresheet, Item 348 in The Zohar with the Sulam [ladder] commentary, Beresheet 1) writes about the verse, “And God said, ‘Let there be light,’ and there was light,” let there be light for this world and let there be light for the next world. This means that the works of creation were created in their full stature and form, as our sages said, meaning in their fullest glory and perfection. Accordingly, the light that was created on the first day emerged in all its perfection, which contains the life of this world, too, in utter pleasantness and gentleness, as expressed in the words, “Let there be light.”
However, to prepare a place of choice and labor, He stood and concealed it for the righteous at the end of correction, as our sages said. Hence, they said in their pure words, “Let there be light for this world.” However, it did not remain so, but rather “let there be light for the next world.”
In other words, they who practice Torah and Mitzvot Lishma are rewarded with it only at the end of correction, the end of days, after the end of the purification of their body in the path of Torah. Then they are rewarded with that great light in this world, too, as our sages said, “You will see your world in your life.”
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (03:00) What is this world?
M. Laitman: This world, I guess, is what we attain right now, and the next world is what we attain later. Maybe it speaks of tomorrow, or in a thousand years from now, or in some other state. We haven't attained it yet and we can't distinguish between this world and the next.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (03:42) What is to engage in Torah? It says, he will engage in Torah, he's got the engagement in Torah. What does it say? He will study, or… What is to engage?
M. Laitman: Because engaging in the Torah speaks about more than just study. It speaks about a person doing something in this world, in certain times, special times that depend on him, that depend on the different times of the year, different seasons, etc..
Student: Many times we say that the Torah has the light, the force to correct. But the engagement in that, what does it come to say to us, that we need to engage in it, to deal with it?
M. Laitman: To engage in it truly means to reveal the light in the Torah, which is the light that reforms, that corrects everything.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (04:50) He writes, you will see your world in your life. What will a person see?
M. Laitman: I don't know.
Student: What is your world or his world?
M. Laitman: I don't know. If you reveal it, you will see it.
Reader: Item 11.
Reading: (05:19) 11) However, we find and see in the words of the sages of the Talmud that they have made the path of Torah easier for us than the sages of the Mishnah. This is because they said, “One should always practice the Torah and Mitzvot, even Lo Lishma, and from Lo Lishma he will come to Lishma, since the light in it reforms him.”
Thus, they have provided us with a new means instead of the penance presented in the above- mentioned Mishnah, Avot: the “light in the Torah.” It bears sufficient power to reform one and bring him to practice Torah and Mitzvot Lishma.
They did not mention penance here, but only that engagement in Torah and Mitzvot alone provides one with that light that reforms, so one may engage in Torah and Mitzvot in order to bring contentment to his Maker and not at all for his own pleasure. And this is called Lishma.
M. Laitman: (06:54) Meaning Baal HaSulam provides a definition of what intention, what approach we should engage the Torah and how to engage in it in order to merit the next world, as we call it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (07:26) What is actually special with the reforming light that he says that it's some kind of a break in our work? Why is it easier now than it was once?
M. Laitman: I guess there's a difference in times. Not all the times are the same.
Student: It's clear that times are different, but he's saying that the work in the Torah is much easier, it's even faster.
M. Laitman: Yes, they made it easier for us.
Student: So what is this reforming light that lets us enter deeper?
M. Laitman: I guess it is more suitable to work with our vessels, with the vessels that are revealed against it. And that's why the light in the vessels, the corrupt vessels, have a tighter connection between them. The person's feeling of this connection is very clear. This is what he must correct.
Student: Is it correct to say that each learns with his vessels, actually adapting to…
M. Laitman: Each one is learning with his own vessels. Each one sees how different he is from the Creator. This is where we can make mistakes. Since even if we are coming closer to the Creator, it might seem to us as being further away from Him and have to work on it more than before but it comes later and it teaches us.
Student: You always tell us every day, connection, connection, connection. What is special that when we connect each in his vessels, when we connect in the Ten, all the vessels of all the friends, what is unique? How does it allow us to draw the reforming light better to come closer to the Creator? What's special about that connection of the vessels in each unique connection?
M. Laitman: What's special about the connection of the vessels is that we can connect the vessels and we can connect the lights that used to be in different vessels, previously. And now, one great light has become of it in a greater vessel in which we can more quickly discover what's missing to reveal the Creator.
Student: This common Kli that we're building, is it a feeling of closer, closeness, more love, more importance?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:00) He writes that today we don't need penance, we don't need modifications, because the light that reforms is now available. So the question is, why does a person need to avoid pleasure, isn't the intention and the study and the drawing of the light enough?
M. Laitman: So it won't confuse him. In addition to the suffering, the torments, the disturbances, if he starts to feel pleasures, he won't know where it's coming from. That is why we need to perform the restriction, that I don't receive anything to myself, and then anything that comes to me, I check it. And only if it's not for myself, I can receive it, but not to correct myself.
Student: So actually the engagement in Torah and Mitzvot is not just to sit and study, but it's the implementation of the work that we do between us.
M. Laitman: Yes, yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (12:14) The restriction and all the concessions a person makes in his life in this generation to study Kabbalah, is it not the penance of this generation?
M. Laitman: Penance or self-mortification, it's something a vessel feels internally. So it's hard to define clearly what penance is or mortification, because it's going to look differently for different people. That's why we don't have to define these names. We don't provide a clear place for them.
Student: So the sages of the Talmud made it easier for us than the sages of the Mishnah, and they invented a method in place of these penances. So if the penance is an internal thing, then what did they make the Torah easier or the path easier for us?
M. Laitman: They gave us a few means where if we use them, we don't need to reach mortification.
Student: They talked about external self-mortification, like laying on the ground or eating a little or drinking a little.
M. Laitman: Maybe it wasn't that difficult for them.
Student: Okay, in our generation, we don't have such penance, but we have other conditions. And how do we work with them? Because the person still needs to make concessions in order to study.
M. Laitman: We should, we mostly do it with our time, time and place, where we cancel our desire for pleasure, during a good time, where we learn during the night, and then we come to states that are more connected to the study.
Student: I'm saying that if for the previous generations, it wasn't really penance, it wasn't harsh conditions. What's the break that we get in our generation? How did they make it easier for us?
M. Laitman: Everything is much clearer thanks to our books. We can advance without mortification. For them, mortifications were intentional. They would place themselves in lives that are filled with mortifications. They would come to appreciate all the sparks of light that they can receive thanks to that.
Student: Okay, and before they invented this new thing, which is the light in the Torah, what was there before? Was there no light before? Did they not have that?
M. Laitman: No. It was there from the beginning, seemingly.
Student: What is special about the work with the light?
M. Laitman: That I don't want the light as good. Rather, I want to connect to it according to the demand of Torah. Where I can receive the light only in the condition that I can sanctify my vessels.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (16:21) Many times we heard from Rav, and also it was written here in item 155, that there's a great virtue to those who study the wisdom of Kabbalah, etc.. And we talk about this remedy, this virtue, that it's a force that is beyond the egoistic desire. And it's one of the reasons why the reforming light changes a person without him understanding how it happens.
That it impacts the inner point in him, his point in the heart. Many times we say that that's the very heart of our method. That that's the heart of the method of the wisdom of Kabbalah. So if it's only in our generation, then what was the correction in the previous generations? Did they not have the reforming light?
M. Laitman: There was the reforming light, and all these corrections existed, but on different levels. For us, the darkness is, it's truly darkness. It's much more than it was for them. And the confusion, the feeling of remoteness, it was all there. Just much easier on top of much lighter coarseness.
Student: Meaning that the change of coarseness compels us to work differently.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And it's not the same work of penance, but in the things that were before, anymore.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: But prior to that, people would do self-mortifications, and as a result of that they would receive the reforming light? Or what would exactly happen?
M. Laitman: It looks like, yes, they would agree with it, and take upon themselves greater mortification. Clearer forms of mortification, and they would agree with it, because they understood that they need it in order to overcome their evil inclination.
Student: And then from a certain point where the coarseness went and grew, then the Kabbalists performed some general correction, from now on, all the souls?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes, that's what's written. From a certain point, in the revelation of the coarseness, the light couldn't work with it. And it's designated more for work in degrees.
Student: And in the manner of the reforming light, it's clear that it exists in “The Zohar,” with the Sulam commentary, that it exists in the “Study of the Ten Sefirot,” with the commentary of Baal HaSulam. When we engage in the study, it's clear that either Rabash or Baal HaSulam have to be included there?
M. Laitman: What do you mean to be connected there?
Student: Meaning for them to be like the order of degrees doesn't change. We always need Baal HaSulam as one that connects or Rabash as a connector.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And the Rav who connects us to Rabash and Baal HaSulam?
M. Laitman: Maybe I'm not there.
Student: That order must be kept always?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Theoretically, if we would read “The Zohar" without the Sulam commentary, we wouldn't have, it wouldn't impact us because we don't have Baal HaSulam's explanation there.
M. Laitman: Correct.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (20:10) In the next generation, will the method be easier than our generation?
M. Laitman: I don't think so. I don't think so, this condition of working on the ladder against the light that can influence you and aim you, that condition is not changing.
Student: Meaning there was a lightening of it at a certain stage and that's it, that's the method to the end of correction?
M. Laitman: I also don't think there was a relief. It was simply a different time, different conditions. They did not use the light of Torah in order to raise themselves. But they studied and advanced as much as possible. We are already under the influence of the reforming light.
Student: So in the next generations, as humanity and more people will join the method, they will go through the same order that we're going through at this moment?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:45) The system of Torah and Mitzvot, how does a person identify it?
M. Laitman: He sees there's a certain ladder of degrees between himself and the Creator, and he doesn't have the power to climb this ladder, and he looks for ways to find it, and he comes to reveal this force that will help him in equivalence of form of the Creator.
Student: This system opens before a person that the Creator invited to the group, or is it open to everyone?
M. Laitman: No, it's not open to every person. It's a personal thing.
Student: Is the Torah and Mitzvot a system that was installed for the last generations, or was it from the very beginning of creation?
M. Laitman: It was installed from the beginning of creation.
Student: But mostly for the last generations, or is it?
M. Laitman: Yes, it's revealed each time in such a way that it will be suitable for that generation.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (23:05) I heard yesterday that pleasures for myself I need to restrict nevertheless. So what's the difference between that and self-mortification? I have to restrict myself anyway, isn't that penance?
M. Laitman: No, it's not the mortification when you restrict pleasure.
Student: Then what is it?
M. Laitman: Mortification are things that make you suffer. It's not that you lack and you replace one candy with another.
Student: Every pleasure that I restrict is suffering.
M. Laitman: No, no, it's not like that. Because look how many candy replacements, sugarless replacements for candy we produce to give you that feeling of that taste of sugar, right? You can walk into all those stores and see or bread that's made without certain ingredients, inflammatory ingredients. We understand it and we go for it.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (24:34) Rav, I wanted to ask, from one generation to the next, what changes?
M. Laitman: From one generation to the next, what changes is the will to receive inside this generation, and accordingly the influence on it from the Creator.
Student: So the change of the desire to receive is what defines the method of correction for that generation?
M. Laitman: The changing of the will to receive is what determines it, yes.
Student: So the fact that in the system, the fact that there was a time of self-mortifications, as I grasped it, it's because the desire to receive needed that to reach, it was always in order to reach a connection with the Creator, that was enough for it. So now in order to reach a connection, he needs the reforming light?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And that change, is it a change that took place in the general desire to receive, or is it a correction that the Kabbalists did, and that's why?
M. Laitman: Typically those are changes made by Kabbalists.
Student: So can we perform another correction in order to relieve the next generations, or are we already in the end?
M. Laitman: Yes, you can. You can ease the work on the future generations, they have more work to do.
Student: And what exactly does it happen where we make it easier for the next generations, so it will be easier for them?
M. Laitman: By making it easier on the coming generations, we cancel the barriers, we bring the vessels closer to the lights.
Student: But the work, does it become easier, or will it still be the same exertion that a person will have to give for it?
M. Laitman: Seemingly, it's relatively the same.
Student: Because we, too, in our generation, there's also exertion that we're putting forth, it doesn't become all of a sudden easy.
M. Laitman: True, but nevertheless, according to the deterioration of the generations, there's greater difficulty in combining the vessels and relating them to greater and greater lights each time.
Student: So what becomes easier from generation to generation if the Kabbalists make a correction, in what way does that generation have it easier?
M. Laitman: If past generations had to make corrections on simpler coarseness, for us it happens with a more complex coarseness, and we have to enter a certain form of study, and even before the study, we enter some form of preschool. So that's a difference between the generations.
Student: So what becomes easier for the generation?
M. Laitman: I wouldn't say it became easier. Each generation, I wouldn't say it was easier, each generation has disturbances that are suitable for that generation. Nevertheless, it is a little different.
Student: So it turns out that the level of exertion still needs to be?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: It's just adapted to the generation and what it needs at that point?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (28:50) Do we need preparation in order to receive the reforming light?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Where does the light meet the desire or meaning? Can the reforming light just work just like that?
M. Laitman: No, it can't just work, and the desire can't also just work, just simply work. They work, they operate in a system that binds them, ties them together. The Heaven and earth seemingly that connect.
Student: So what's the adapter?
M. Laitman: The adapter is the light from above. The light from above will find the suitable vessel from below, desire from below. It may not want to receive the light, but there is a web of connection between them called the ladder.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (30:05) On one hand, we see that more people need to come and go through this correction, also quantitatively. On the other hand, we see that those of us who have come here in the 90s, we immediately entered the study every day. It was clear that we have to study every day, and at night.
Do you not see in this relief in the method of correction? Because we see that people simply don't come in such hours, in such a way. Can that form of study change? Not the states themselves that we have to go through, but the form. Because according to the facts, it's what happens.
M. Laitman: In truth, I don't see much change. People would come from all places, they would come to one place where there was a wise man sitting, and he would teach them the wisdom of Kabbalah. That's it. Each generation and his teachers, and we are the same.
Student: It's clear with us, but fact-fully, whoever came in the last 10-15 years, it's just people simply don't enter this study. Very few do. All those who are sitting here already, sitting here, I don't know, 15-20 years. The new ones that come, it's really, I don't even think, I can't even point what percentage. That's what I'm saying, what will be next, and the situation is not improving. To such a form, people don't come, they're not attracted to it. Maybe something will happen in a year from now, and all of a sudden, everyone will want to sit down.
M. Laitman: I don't know.
Student: So you don't see any change?
M. Laitman: I don't, I know this is what I have to do.
Student: No, you, yes, I'm asking about what will be, or we will see what will be, and...
M. Laitman: No, I have nothing to see, whatever it will be, I'll have to maintain the same path.
Student: Meaning the path will not change, and it doesn't matter how many people the teachers, the Creator sends.
M. Laitman: The relationship between the will to receive and the reforming light, in order for them to be suitable for one another, will have to be the same actions.
Student: So they will have to come to a sage, to a wise teacher, and sit next to him?
M. Laitman: No, maybe not one in front of one, maybe a thousand before one. But yes, in a way.
Student: Meaning the fact that people vote with their feet and don't come, that doesn't interest us. We need to continue in our way.
M. Laitman: We continue with our own way, we have nothing else to do. I think we need to discover more and more helpful instruments that will assist a person in the perception of the wisdom of Kabbalah, and grasping it, and more opportunities for those who enter it.
But in a way, in a sense, they discovered everything, the sages. I don't see anything new. I don't think there can be some instrument from above that will give each and every person clear knowledge, clear ideas, without any effort, without any sort of special connections. No, it cannot be.
Student: Even you see, like you studied TES with Rabash, and you see that we have come and we're not capable. You're not even giving us time to study, because you see, and you're also saying, that we're not capable of studying more than half an hour. And once in your generation, they would sit and study Zohar and TES. So I'm saying there are nevertheless some changes. And also you studied more hours, and we're studying less hours.
M. Laitman: Well, what can you do?
Student: And that won't change?
M. Laitman: I don't think it's going to change in the direction of more study, it will change in the direction of people.
Student: What does that mean?
M. Laitman: It will be easier for them.
Student: And what will be easier?
M. Laitman: We will prepare for them all these supporting instruments, assisting methods that will accompany them as they go through the study, everywhere. But if I have a question, I can immediately find an answer for it. There will be many such auxiliary means of support.
Student: But still, the method, like it's written in item 155, where a person sits, doesn't understand, but from wanting to really understand, and he evokes the light, and that will awaken him.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: It could be that maybe he won't sit five hours a day, but he'll sit an hour, but the method will still be the same method. That's what I'm asking, about the relief in that, I'm asking.
M. Laitman: No, no, there will be no relief in that. A person will need to discover his deficiency for correction, and what he truly wants to receive as correction, and this will have to be clear to him.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (36:06) Can we talk about the wisdom or technology of this world? We see there's a small number of people that develop technology, let's say they know how to build a microwave and improve it, and millions use it. In the wisdom of Kabbalah, we also do have these two circles, let's say we're the small circle that advances the wisdom and learns it, but there will be many people that will use the wisdom?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So what is it called to use the wisdom?
M. Laitman: To use the wisdom means to attain something that they want with the help of this wisdom, this is what the wisdom is designed for.
Student: The billions, will there be billions that use it, like most of humanity? What will they need to know in order to use this wisdom, what would be enough?
M. Laitman: They'll need to know how to attain the Creator.
Student: And the means that they will need, it's like love, love of friends, what…
M. Laitman: Yes, they will read about what they need in order to reveal the Creator.
Student: I'm asking because according to what's written here, there's an explanation, but between what's the difference between the wisdom of Kabbalah and other wisdoms, where over there you study with your intellect, so to open up the wisdom to the masses, what will the masses have to know?
M. Laitman: The masses will have to know that they need to be together in groups, perhaps great big groups, in order to organize their desire, and inside this desire they'll be able to reveal the Creator.
Student: What will the practical aspects of it be, like for them to do the inner work etc.?
M. Laitman: To awaken the reforming light.
Student: From an effort to connection or something else?
M. Laitman: Yes, out of this general effort, yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (38:10) In item 11 we read that they corrected, so that in place of penance, we can do it by the light. I wanted to understand these penances, it's not that a person doesn't touch pleasure, but rather it's more about the scrutiny of the intention?
M. Laitman: It says that students will come who will begin to demand more out of the Torah, the light in the Torah. They will prepare for us the path of Torah more than, easier than the sages of Mishnah. This is because they said one should always practice the Torah and Mitzvot, even from Lo Lishma he will come to Lishma, since the light in it reforms him. Meaning there is a stage in the development of those who study Kabbalah were called, how did they call them? Instead of study, they were already looking for the light. And that's the difference between them.
Student: They seemingly said, that's how I understand it from what's written, that you can learn Lo Lishma for the time being, until you reach Lishma.
M. Laitman: Yes, that's how it's written, a person should always engage in Torah Mitzvot, Lo Lishma.
Student: And I understand that if a person is in Lo Lishma, he still associates his self-pleasure.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: In penance, did they try to break that? Is that what they tried to do beforehand?
M. Laitman: No. They did not have such a desire yet, where they could engage or practice the Torah differently.
Student: So this Lo Lishma, it has the ability to move a person from a state in which he does share the self-pleasure in this, or to rid himself of it. So what helps the person when he is sharing his self-pleasure in this? How does he not fall and remain in pleasure, and this Lo Lishma takes him out of it?
M. Laitman: He studies TES, and he wants to reach an understanding of where he is. That brings him to the feeling of deficiency. He has a deficiency in a reality that shines on him, with its deficiency. And out of that, it aims a person to look for exactly what he wants, the vessels, in short they bring him to the attainment of the Creator, the feeling of the Creator.
Question (PT 33): (42:31) What's the indication that a student draws the reforming light?
M. Laitman: That it reveals to him new desires in him, in the student, new desires are revealed, and if he goes to fill them, then he'll succeed.
Question (Rehovot 1): (43:05) What kind of discernments can a Ten make when he is drawing the reforming light?
M. Laitman: They can't do that now. Only, well, if they already have an engagement with the lights and the vessels that stand one against the other, then they can start locating the vessels against the lights.
Question (Woman MAK 53): (43:40) What does it mean to restrict the desire? How to ensure that I manage to do it?
M. Laitman: The restriction of the desire is, if I have a desire, but it is still not suitable for the revelation of the light, then he performs a concealment of the light, and that's the help, a help against him. And then I need to change the desire in order to reach, instead of darkness, to light.
Question (Woman Rehovot 1): (44:29) What's the difference, or what's special about the reforming light compared to all the other lights?
M. Laitman: The reforming light is that light that knocks in my vessel that it's open or closed, and demands for me to open it. That's why this opening itself is called the opening, the orifice which is opened to those who come to repent. That's it?
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (45:29) The heavier the soul is, its correction is harder, but more beneficial.
M. Laitman: What's beneficial?
Student: Beneficial for the general correction.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Are we in the midst of the wars of the Messiah that will bring peace?
M. Laitman: I haven't read it yet.
Student: Soon?
M. Laitman: I didn't read it.
Student: You are the medium between me and the upper one. Will it always remain like this?
M. Laitman: I don't know.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (46:18) What is the difference between Lo Lishma and any other form of reception in this world? In both there is some reception from myself, but in Lo Lishma has the potential to draw the light. So, other than this self-reception, what else is there in Lo Lishma that allows for the reforming light?
M. Laitman: That's something that we will talk about. We just started to talk about how to adapt the vessels, the corrupted vessels to the light that will come down to them. So, we will continue and we will understand from that.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (47:10) In Lo Lishma, in the state where he still includes his own pleasure, that's what develops the deficiency in him. It changes according to the corruption he detects. How does it work to complete a certain measure in Lo Lishma or each desire can develop?
M. Laitman: There is this and there is that. It depends on the soul itself.
Student: Can you also have one desire that makes its correction from Lo Lishma all the way to the end?
M. Laitman: No, usually not.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (48:10) It looks like in the past you said that each person in the world has to come to a Ten and feel himself in the Ten and we have to help them be organized in this way. They don't necessarily have to study like that, like us, so intensely every day, but we have to make arrangements for every person to enter a Ten and feel himself in the Ten, any person around the world.
M. Laitman: If you receive such a command from above, then we will do it that way. And if not, then no.
Student: What does it mean, an instruction from above?
M. Laitman: The desire of the Creator. If such a feeling will be revealed in us like the desire of the Creator, then we will have to do that. These expressions will be understood.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (49:20) Maybe to clarify the matter of mortifications and the fact that we don't need them today. Mortification is something corporeal, right, there's someone sleeping on a hard bed and such, but here we're talking about Lo Lishma as a spiritual state, is that the difference between them?
M. Laitman: No, there are many differences between those mortifications and others, and it's still ahead of us.
Student: There's the development of desire. In a certain state, in order to increase desire for spirituality, there were mortifications, and with the development of the generation, the coarseness was such that it was not enough to create a deficiency for spirituality, there was a greater coarseness that had to be filled a certain way.
M. Laitman: We will sort it and see how it's attributed, how it's associated with the lack of the upper light.
Student: So we'll be required to build a spiritual vessel that brings the light that reforms to everyone together.
M. Laitman: Yes, and that's by connection.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (50:43) I understood that the essence of the method does not change, it will always be this way, but I'm asking about the next generation. You said you will create various aids that will help them, explain to them, accompany them?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What kind of aids do you see, for example?
M. Laitman: How to open TES, how to open “The Zohar.” How to explain everything and what it belongs to more, meaning what parts from TES and Zohar will be immediately showing you where you can find. These are things that actually a person who learns this for several years doesn't really need it, but for beginners we need to build a few more stages, a few more degrees.
Student: So we're talking about explanations, introductions for new people studying the wisdom?
M. Laitman: Yes, also.
Student: I thought aids are, I don't know, technological tools, inventions that will help the student make it easier?
M. Laitman: Also.
Student: Okay, that too. I'm trying to understand how do we organize things moving forward, because the way I grasp the method from you is you get an order and you simply do it. If not, then there's no point in planning ahead. How will the next generation look, ten years from now? Yes, there's no Tens. We work with what's revealed. So how do you plan ahead for big moves in dissemination? Or no, we work from today to tomorrow.
M. Laitman: From today to tomorrow, that's the safest.
Student: Nevertheless?
M. Laitman: Nevertheless, you have to try to walk around with your tail, without any benefit.
Student: Clear. But I want to understand, there's no room for planning certain strategies?
M. Laitman: No, no. What nonsense.
Student: Nonsense. In the factor of dissemination, is there room for making plans ahead, how to bring in new audiences, how to disseminate correctly, even long term?
M. Laitman: Long term is impossible.
Student: What's the longest term you can work, can plan for?
M. Laitman: Ten, twenty years.
Student: Yes, twenty years, so there is room for making plans for twenty years ahead.
M. Laitman: Well, let's say that, yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (53:44) I want to ask about the experience. Can we improve the experience of the study? Experience meaning a person to be moved. Today, let's say there are films, movies, a person who watches a movie, and it can be moved. There's music there, there's dramatic situations. Should we develop things in this direction or not? There's a book, there's a study. Should we develop such things that can move students to tears or not?
M. Laitman: It's possible, and people are inspired by it. How much it helps I don't know.
Student: Well, that's what I'm asking about the essence. Is this excitement completely unrealistic, beastly?
M. Laitman: It seems to me that, yes.
Student: So there has to be a different internal form of excitement.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Maybe it could be good for beginners.
M. Laitman: That's correct.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (54:59) You said that a Kabbalist receives an order, and then he acts. As your student, I should also look for this order within me, or in the Ten?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: How do we do it?
M. Laitman: Simply know that there's always a connection between the upper one and the lower one. And you want to discover that connection. And then you will see that in every state he's talking about, where precisely that connecting point between the upper one and the lower one is.
Student: And if I don't feel these orders, what's the best thing to do?
M. Laitman: Then you expect to, yes, feel it.
Student: How to come closer to it? In the Ten, or a person by himself?
M. Laitman: In the Ten. In the Ten.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (56:06) I want to ask a question in principle. When Rav came to study with Rabash, Rabash sat him down with Hillel, and Hillel taught him Preface, Pticha. And when we brought students to Rav, twenty seven years ago, Rav gave them Pticha, Preface, that was the first thing they studied. No articles or anything, they studied the Preface. A big part of the people here remember that.
Today, students learn very little Preface, Pticha, no matter the framework of study. Very little Pticha, almost practically nothing compared to what was there in the past. And now when they asked Rav about these educational aids, you said, create those aids that will help them study Zohar and TES. If we take Zohar and TES, they study that even less.
So if I understand Rav correctly, he sees us as being a bridge for bringing people, students, to these authentic sources of Zohar and TES. At some point, maybe not right away, but at some point it has to happen. If I understand correctly?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (57:24) I want to ask about the next generation. You mentioned a few lessons ago, you said you hope students from the next generation will be wiser, more flexible, will know how to connect between them, find common points of connection. I want to ask, what kind of flexibility do we lack?
M. Laitman: We are lacking that flexibility that does not exist in the connection between us and the Creator.
Student: How to be more flexible in our work of connection?
M. Laitman: As each of us receives from all the friends, from each of the friends, like they are, and the whole change, each will demand from himself in order to adapt ourselves to connection between us. So we will always demand from ourselves to be suitable to the connection.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (58:50) I want to ask about those educational study aids that you mentioned. From what I heard from you, these are tools that help a person come closer to the study of TES, Zohar, that's what I heard at least. In what way will it help? What will these instruments, these aids do that will bring a person closer to the study?
M. Laitman: They will be close to the study, why not? Some part from TES. A part that comes that needs to come to us in a measure that connects us to the upper world and to the lower world. And we're in the middle.
Student: You said that we can prepare these aids for the next generation. What are these study aids that you can prepare for them? What are these aids you can prepare for them?
M. Laitman: It's those aids that connect us, a higher degree from us, to a lower degree from us.
Student: These vessels replace the work of the reforming light or will a person still have to exert to receive the reforming light?
M. Laitman: Those vessels need to be revealed in us and by them we are connecting to what's above us and below us.
Student: I'm trying to understand from you what exactly can we prepare for the next generation. How can we bring the message closer to the next generation? If we're not making any concessions then the person will have to exert and draw the reforming light. How, in what way is this nearing going to be felt?
M. Laitman: As we depict to ourselves in what degree, in what form that degree that we're coming to connect in is.
Student: That's constant work.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And after us, the next generation, what are we preparing for them so that they will be able to do the same?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So the method doesn't change.
M. Laitman: The method itself? No.
Student: So from the moment you enter into the general system, the reforming light, from that moment you enter the system, there's no more relief, no other ways to bring a person into contact with the Creator?
M. Laitman: There are no principles. I always use the vessels that connect me with the degree above me with that same degree that is below me.
Student: Clear. So everything we do, in our generation and the next, it has to give us the tools to draw the reforming light. That's where we should lead them to.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:02:37) I don't know, maybe you don't know, but there's like this device today where we put, let's say, a hundred thousand posts of yours that you wrote throughout the last twenty years. You remember you had a blog once. All the answers that you once answered, so that machine knows those answers. And if I had to know, let's say, what the Day of Atonement is, according to the wisdom of Kabbalah, I just ask a question and within a second it gives me an answer.
M. Laitman: Yes. Meaning instead of a mechanical thing it just gives me the answer?
Student: Yes, it knows your answers and it gives me the answer in a second. If I don't remember what a Shofar is, Kabbalistically, I would have to search for it for hours and I would get all kinds of sources. My question: If I don't lose anything because I had to invest all this exertion in the past.
M. Laitman: No, in exertion we don't have anything to long for here.
Student: So if I can find out in a second.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:03:53) If I can continue on this, aids. As we study Pticha, Preface, or TES, the walls are full of drawings you used to make over the years when you explained it. But at some point, I think five years ago, you stopped doing it. Well, so the question is: How correct it is, especially in studying TES, the upper system, to use such aids.
M. Laitman: I don't know. I felt it at a certain point in time of the study that there was a need for it, so I did it, and after that - not.
Student: Because you mentioned aids, especially the part of the Wisdom, called the wisdom of Kabbalah, the study of the upper worlds. Is it correct to use such aids, such visual aids?
M. Laitman: Well, I can't say yes or no.
Student: I'm talking about the approach, which is also a concern about materializing things, and it's not the wise who learns and all that.
M. Laitman: I don't think that's it. It's a depiction, it's an illustration of it. But that illustration is also, it doesn't open much for you. Because you have to make many discernments in this.
Student: Yes, but I think those who learned in this way, there's an inner depiction. There’s the Nekudot of SAG, there's a depiction of this line that comes down. I'm asking if it's something, if it's correct, because it's very hard to study without it, I think.
M. Laitman: Try.
Student: And as far as using technology, as our friend mentioned, AI for search purposes, these are all what our friend talked about, like searching for your blog, this artificial intelligence that learns your answers and can give you answers. Meaning when it answers a question, it doesn't bring quotes from you. It generates a new answer based on what you said. So this approach of using technology…
M. Laitman: I have no idea, as you're asking, as you can see.
Student: I'm just asking about the approach. Is it beneficial for making it accessible?
M. Laitman: Eventually, they'll find a use in that as well.
Question (KabU 14): (01:06:38) In our preschool here, with my friends, how could we put ourselves under the reforming light correctly? In Lo Lishma, we are clearly in Lo Lishma, completely in Lo Lishma before studying TES with you?
M. Laitman: We need to learn the same tools, the same vessels, and what they do in order to receive that change and be closer to the light. And that's how we change and bring ourselves into contact with the light. Soon it will be possible.
Question (Kyiv 1): (01:07:45) You said that I don't yearn for the light as pleasure. As good, rather. I want to receive it in order to illuminate my vessels. So, what does it mean to light my vessels?
M. Laitman: For the light to illuminate my vessels. And give them additional desire for the soul.
Student: What does it mean not to yearn for the light as good, but to yearn for it as the quality of the soul?
M. Laitman: To receive energy from the light is not the same as enjoying the light. There is a difference.
Question (Turkiye 2): (01:08:46) How can a person discover or is becoming aware of his deficiency? What will awaken him? What will push him to reveal his deficiency on which he can later draw the reforming light? Again, how can a person reveal or discover his correct deficiency?
M. Laitman: To discover the correct deficiency, a person needs to know himself and his upper one. And to do this calculation between himself and the upper one. And then he will discover the correct deficiency.
Question (Hadera 1): (01:09:46) My question has to do with the process of the descent of the lights and the generations and changing the method of study accordingly. At the time where the souls were finer, more pure, it was enough for some mind games and science and all that.
M. Laitman: I understand.
Student: Now, there is a feeling that what the one soul included in itself is now divided between even more souls, and only through the connection of people who study, that can be realized. And it's not for nothing that humanity went through a process where science evolved since the time of the ARI and Baal HaSulam, and they tried to explain it more and more scientifically. So, seemingly, we have to connect our consciousness, our awareness, our mind, and so on. How do you see this process in support of dissemination efforts?
M. Laitman: I don't know. It's not even worth to talk to me about such a thing. I don't know. I have no excelling in dissemination, really. I don't know.
Student: There is a group of people who are trying to wrap the Kabbalistic message using science.
M. Laitman: Well, okay. There is such a thing also, I guess.
Student: It doesn't cause too much…
M. Laitman: No, no, there is nothing to fear. You won't corrupt anything or ruin anything. Good luck.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:12:01) Children can influence their parents' deficiency. He makes a little peep, and they get going. Can the students influence the teacher's deficiency?
M. Laitman: In what?
Student: In his deficiency.
M. Laitman: In what?
Student: In the growing of the deficiency, the liveliness of the deficiency.
M. Laitman: No. Otherwise, they wouldn't be students and he wouldn't be their teacher.
Reader: Item 12.
Reading: (01:12:55) 12) Yet, it seems we must question their words. After all, we have found a few students whose practice in Torah did not help them to come to Lishma through the light in it. Indeed, practicing Torah and Mitzvot Lo Lishma means that one believes in the Creator, in the Torah, and in reward and punishment, and engages in the Torah because the Creator commanded the engagement, but associates his own pleasure with bringing contentment to his Maker.
If, after all one’s trouble in the practice of Torah and Mitzvot, he will learn that no pleasure or personal benefit came to him through this great exertion and strain, he will regret having made all his efforts. This is because from the very beginning, he has misled himself thinking that he, too, would enjoy his exertion. This is called Lo Lishma (as it is written in the Tosfot, Rosh Hashanah).
Nonetheless, our sages permitted the beginning of the practice in Torah and Mitzvot also Lo Lishma, since from Lo Lishma one comes to Lishma. However, there is no doubt that if this student has not been rewarded with faith in the Creator and His law, but still has doubts, it is not about him that our sages said, “From Lo Lishma he will come to Lishma.” It is not about him that they said that by engaging in it, “the light in it reforms” them (Midrash Rabbah, Ptichta de Eicha, and the Jerusalem Talmud, Hagigah, Chapter 1, Rule 7, “From Lo Lishma, one comes to Lishma” (Eicha Rabbah, Peticha 2).
This is so because the light in the Torah shines only to those with faith. Moreover, the measure of that light is as the measure of the force of one’s faith. Yet, to those without faith it is the opposite, as it is written, “To the left leaning in it — a potion of death” (Shabbat 88), for they receive darkness from the Torah and their eyes darken.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:16:18) It turns out that this is the hardest item to understand. We learned about the light that reforms, that helps a person advance their spiritual attainment. And he says, without faith, if you weren't rewarded with faith yet, so it's not even written about you that the light works on you. So what is this faith in the Creator that without it we can't even…
M. Laitman: Yes, faith above reason.
Student: We're studying, let's say, the source. We want to aim to what? That the light that reforms will cleanse us towards faith that we don't even have that yet?
M. Laitman: Yes, I don't understand what you asked.
Student: He writes that without faith, if a person wasn't rewarded with faith yet, so it's not even written about him that the light that reforms advances him from lo Lishma to Lishma.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: That's what we read.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So I want to ask about us, we're studying the source, let's say we weren't rewarded with faith yet, does the light work on us, or am I confused?
M. Laitman: It operates on us, but to what extent? That's the question.
Student: I'll ask simply. The main thing is our intention, it should be to be rewarded with the Creator, which is the previous state.
M. Laitman: Yes. Yes. Okay.
Reader: Item 13.
Reading: (01:18:00) 13) - Twice Sages have already presented a nice allegory about this matter regarding the verse, “Woe unto you who desire the day of the Lord! Why do you need the day of the Lord? It is darkness and not light” (Amos 5). There is an allegory about a rooster and a bat that were awaiting the light. The rooster said to the bat, “I await the light for the light is mine. But you, why do you need the light?” (Sanhedrin 98b).
Clearly, those students who were not endowed with coming from Lo Lishma to Lishma due to their lack of faith, and therefore did not receive any light from the Torah, will therefore walk in darkness and shall die without wisdom.
But those who were imparted complete faith are guaranteed in the words of our sages that because they engage in the Torah even Lo Lishma, the light in it reforms them. They will be imparted the Torah Lishma, which brings a happy and good life in this world and in the next world, even without the prior affliction and sorrowful life. It is said about them that the verse says, “Then shall you delight in the Lord and I will make you ride upon the high places of the earth.”
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:20:22) There's something I don't understand in between Lo Lishma and Lishma. A person that doesn't expect pleasure can't work. I heard you say that many times. According to what I understand, he who works in lo Lishma causes pain in himself and darkness because he doesn't attain light. It says that he came with faith, but it's not really the faith that we actually want. When he works Lishma, he's rewarded for all the pleasantness that only the upper world can give. So it's like, there can't be a state that he won't want pleasure.
M. Laitman: I don't understand.
Student: That there can't be a state that he'll want to work for Lo Lishma, because that's where the pleasure is. He's an egoist. He wants the biggest pleasure he can.
M. Laitman: So.
Student: So how to avoid slandering by not being rewarded with anything?
M. Laitman: I don't know, but you can imagine their situation.
Student: I'm trying to, we're going through it a lot of times together. Everyone in the different states in their vessels. So how in those states, when he sees the darkness, he doesn't see salvation. How he goes to Lishma, where the biggest pleasure is. How does he sustain that place? How do you imagine yourself going through this darkness?
M. Laitman: I don't know what to answer you. Where did you learn from the reading?
Student: I think patience is very important. That you have to be adhered, no matter what happens, to agree with everything possible, and that it won't really be for you. That what goes through you, you have to agree that you won't feel anything. But sometimes that slandering comes on its own. You don't control it. You feel you can't be independent yet.
M. Laitman: So what are you asking me?
Student: How to hold onto the states that are revealed to a person, and sometimes we see people who leave. You see reality. How can we reach that point together and remain in it and not let it go? That we really adhere to it, even if we weren't rewarded completely yet.
M. Laitman: Only by wanting to adhere to the path and to the people who walk in it.
Student: Because I heard conversations on how to disseminate and bring more people, but in the end it's not even on the outside. It's something between us here in some deep, inner work.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And we're searching for more activities on the outside, so it's never really clear.
M. Laitman: No, no, the solutions are all inside for more and more inner work.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:24:11) Is being rewarded with complete faith, does it depend on a person or does it come from above?
M. Laitman: I didn't understand.
Student: He writes that being rewarded with faith is a condition for the reforming light. So is being rewarded with it, does it depend on the work of man or does it come from above?
M. Laitman: Yes, we have to believe that this is so.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:24:47) There's the matter of Lo Lishma that I think we have to understand again. It'll save a lot of scrutiny. Lo Lishma is when a person is already, he has a Creator, but he discovers that he's not working for him, it's a very high degree. So to say Lo Lishma that's already on such a level that a person can expect faith that he'll be able to work for the Creator, is that right?
M. Laitman: Yes, so?
Student: So if we're defining Lo Lishma, then all the work is different. We haven't even reached that yet. There's a Creator, but we're already discovering that we're not really working for Him. Before that, a person works for himself, he doesn't even know what's there.
M. Laitman: Yes, so you're right.
Student: So how do we really advance that we'll understand or feel that there's a Creator and that we can work for Him or we're not successful or we don't know?
M. Laitman: We're not successful. We don't know. We can't. We don't want to.
Student: And how in the connection between us can we take this Lo Lishma and advance with it onward?
M. Laitman: Well, what's the difference? How can we rise from this with this Lo Lishma, not for her sake, to for her sake, Lishma?
Student: Our connection will be for the sake of the Creator.
M. Laitman: So what is the problem? What is the problem? He's between us.
Student: That if He'll be between us, we'll be able to do actions.
M. Laitman: So He is between you.
Student: And that's Lo Lishma?
M. Laitman: The Creator is between you. How can you receive from Him the strength that will help you, the force that will help you to be in Lishma, in for her sake?
Student: Prayer?
M. Laitman: Prayer, too, yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:27:20) He writes in 11, that he has sufficient force to reform him, but then he says that it's insufficient. What does it mean that it is sufficient or not? A person I don't know studies Ten years, 20 years?
M. Laitman: What he can extract, get from his learning.
Student: He has to check the way he studies, his attitude towards the study. How can he check that the way that he's engaging in Torah and Mitzvot, that it's sufficient forces like he writes in 11 to reform him.
M. Laitman: If he does what is written, let's say in item 12, right? So he will come to a state where he is above the intention to receive.
Student: And In 12, he gives the condition that he believes in three things, in the Creator and in the Torah and reward and punishment.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What are those parts of faith?
M. Laitman: There are parts in a person's faith toward the Creator.
Student: Why is it not enough to believe in the Creator? Why does he also have to believe in reward and punishment? What does that add?
M. Laitman: It's about the result from the work.
Student: So if a person checks himself like he said, that those who weren't rewarded to reach Lishma and he sees he didn't do it yet. So that's because they're lacking faith. So how can he check his faith?
M. Laitman: He sees that in his faith, he doesn't have any strength.
Student: And what can he do when he discovers that?
M. Laitman: So he needs to search from where to receive the power of faith.
Student: So when he gives that condition to the extent of that light, it's the force of faith?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, a person's in a group, he's in a Ten, he has a framework and so on. So how can he bestow and change something about the force of his faith?
M. Laitman: How do you understand it?
Student: I don't know. When you tell a friend that, let's say, it's not for the benefit of the study, that it will be easier for the public. So, I don't know how to relate to it. If I feel this lack of force and I hear these words, I don't know how to relate to this. And also when you say that the light works, so how much does it work? Maybe a person can study, but he doesn't receive that force of the light that reforms, that actually bestows on the same way that it's enough for him, sufficient, to come to Lo Lishma and Lishma.
M. Laitman: Yes, I hear you.
Student: So, what is the solution? What should be the attitude towards it? What to do?
M. Laitman: The solution is simple. If you continue to work on the power of the faith you will come to a complete vessel.
Student: That's a personal answer? Because all the work is from me, dependent on the Ten, dependent on the group. The form of study also depends. For instance, we have, do we study TES for an hour or not? Or only questions and answers. That also affects. So, should I think about that? Or should I accept that everything is perfect? That only my attitude needs to be corrected?
M. Laitman: Did we read 13?
Student: We started.
M. Laitman: You read it?
Student: Yes, it was 13, that those who weren't rewarded from Lo Lishma, to come to Lishma because they were lacking faith. So, they didn't get any of the light of the Torah, and they walk in the darkness without wisdom. And that's a scary state, supposedly. But if I don't change something, that will be my result. So, I have to change something.
M. Laitman: So, you need to receive on the same degree where you didn't receive. You will receive all of it, and then you will not have the fear here.
Student: So, maybe I have to ask it this way. How do the laws of society affect the drawing of the light during the studies? There is a connection between one and the other.
M. Laitman: We read 13?
Student: Yes.
Reading: (01:33:23) 13) Sages have already presented a nice allegory about this matter regarding the verse, “Woe unto you who desire the day of the Lord! Why do you need the day of the Lord? It is darkness and not light” (Amos 5). There is an allegory about a rooster and a bat that were awaiting the light. The rooster said to the bat, “I await the light for the light is mine. But you, why do you need the light?” (Sanhedrin 98b).
Clearly, those students who were not endowed with coming from Lo Lishma to Lishma due to their lack of faith, and therefore did not receive any light from the Torah, will therefore walk in darkness and shall die without wisdom.
But those who were imparted complete faith are guaranteed in the words of our sages that because they engage in the Torah even Lo Lishma, the light in it reforms them. They will be imparted the Torah Lishma, which brings a happy and good life in this world and in the next world, even without the prior affliction and sorrowful life. It is said about them that the verse says, “Then shall you delight in the Lord and I will make you ride upon the high places of the earth.”
Reader: Item 14.
Reading: (01:35:24) 14) Concerning such a matter as the above, I once interpreted the saying of our sages, “He whose Torah is his trade.” The measure of his faith is apparent in his practice of Torah because the letters of the word Umanuto [his trade] are the same [in Hebrew] as the letters of the word Emunato [his faith].
It is like a person who trusts his friend and lends him money. He may trust him with a pound, but if he asks him for two pounds he will refuse to lend him. He might also trust him with a hundred pounds but not more. Also, he might trust him enough to lend him half his possessions, but not all his possessions. Finally, he may trust him with all his possessions without a hint of fear. This last faith is considered “complete faith,” and the previous forms are considered “incomplete faith.” Rather, it is partial faith, whether more or less.
Similarly, one allots oneself only an hour a day to practice Torah and work out of the measure of his faith in the Creator. Another allots two hours, according to the measure of his faith in the Creator. The third does not neglect even a single moment of his free time without engaging in Torah and work. Thus, only the faith of the last one is complete since he trusts the Creator with all his possessions. The previous ones, however, their faith is still incomplete.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:38:14) A person has to approach studies with a willingness for complete faith, otherwise the Creator won't relate to him, or he relates to him according to the size of his faith?
M. Laitman: Why does he come to study?
Student: That the Creator will fix him, correct him.
M. Laitman: What to correct him?
Student: His oppositeness of form, that he is different from the Creator and can’t bestow to Him.
M. Laitman: He must be rewarded with faith.
Student: Yes, bestowal.
M. Laitman: Bestowal. So this is why he comes to study. He has to constantly see it in front of him. He has a deficiency to obtain faith.
Student: And what does he need to believe in?
M. Laitman: He needs to believe that the Creator provides him with everything.
Student: So inside him he needs complete faith that the Creator will correct him.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: And he has to approach every action with this faith.
M. Laitman: Yes..
Student: Otherwise the Creator won't correct him.
M. Laitman: Probably not.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:39:45) It says in 12, that no doubt if he wasn't rewarded for with faith yet, faith in the Creator and His Torah but he has doubts. So the sages said about him from Lo Lishma he will reach Lishma. So what is it to be rewarded with faith in His Torah? So it's not a person's exertion. It's to..
M. Laitman: It is giving labor in order to be rewarded with faith in the Creator.
Student: So faith in the Creator is already Lishma?
M. Laitman: Afterwards we'll see.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:40:53) It's written that complete faith is by believing your friend in all of your positions; a friend is the Creator. What possessions do we have in our hands that we have to believe the Creator about?
M. Laitman: What possession? Everything we have, in the end our whole life, our whole future we give to the Creator everything.
Student: How do I do that? How do I give it to Him everything I have?
M. Laitman: It all depends only on your desire, on your intention.
Student: And how can I strengthen the friends in that they’ll take everything they have and connect it into one and pass it to the Creator?
M. Laitman: We need to learn together with the friends, so that all of us will do such actions. And then all together we will perform that operation that he tells us about here in item 13.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:43:11) We are studying the Introduction to TES.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: To relate to the text either I need to think how to relate to TES, how to relate to the book or should I also relate to all the questions that awaken?
M. Laitman: To the questions, to the book, and to what we're talking about.
Student: So I have to listen to the text and everything that's awakening in me. I have to..?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:43:55) He writes that in the third faith, a complete faith, that he doesn't relinquish one moment of his free time without engaging in Torah and the work. So, there is a difference between Torah and the work. What is the difference?
M. Laitman: Torah, you can say that that's when he studies. And the work is when he takes from the Torah, learning about himself what he needs to do with himself.
Student: That he does what he learned?
M. Laitman: Yes, yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:44:43) Also about that, complete faith that he doesn't even give up on one moment without the Torah and the work. Will it always be like that, even when a person has complete faith that he has to give an effort to make, to exert? How can a person reach a state that he doesn't even let one moment away from the effort?
M. Laitman: He yearns for it, he understands that he has to do it, but let's say he still hasn't come to it.
Student: So that's coming close to complete faith?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:45:37) It turns out that we need to change our reward and punishment from my reward for reception and knowing, to a reward that I'm hoping for faith. What exercises can we do in the Ten?
M. Laitman: You need to talk about this among yourselves and bring us ideas.
Student: To speak between us and give each other advice how to increase the reward in faith above reception and knowing?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:46:15) Can we say that all the correction is to develop on degrees of faith?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: That every degree comes against a certain corruption?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:46:39) He gradually closes on us with the whole article that faith is the key to everything.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: So, how to attain the faith?
M. Laitman: I don't know. Wait.
Student: Another question: If we're learning Introduction to TES, we thought maybe to bring a bit of actual TES into the lessons.
M. Laitman: Please.
Student: Do you think it's right for us to do it now?
M. Laitman: I don't think so, because Baal HaSulam doesn't think so. But we can look at what you think about in terms of connection with it.
Student: What part is suitable for us now?
M. Laitman: I'm not thinking about it. I told you, I don't think, I'm not thinking about it.
Reader: Item 15.
Reading: (01:47:49) 15) Thus, it has been thoroughly clarified that one should not expect that engagement in Torah and Mitzvot Lo Lishma will bring him to Lishma, except when one knows in one’s heart that he has been granted faith in the Creator and in His Torah appropriately. This is because then the light in it reforms him and he will be rewarded with “the day of the Lord,” which is all light, for the Kedusha [holiness] of faith purifies one’s eyes to enjoy His light until the light in the Torah reforms him.
Yet, those without faith are as bats. They cannot look at the light of day because the daylight has been inverted for them to a more terrible darkness than the darkness of the night, as they are only fed in the darkness of the night.
Likewise, the eyes of the faithless are blinded to the light of the Creator. Hence, the light becomes darkness for them, and the potion of life is turned into a potion of death for them. It is about them that the writing says, “Woe unto you who desire the day of the Lord! Why do you need the day of the Lord? It is darkness and not light.” Thus, first, one must make one’s faith complete.
M. Laitman: (01:49:45) Nice. Clear? First, we have to, what? First, we have to obtain the light of faith. And in the light of faith, the whole world, all the worlds, and everything that happens between them, and more and more and more, will acquire a new depiction, new importance, and this way we will grow and find out what we must do.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:50:25) What is the instrument for obtaining the light of faith?
M. Laitman: Obtaining the light of faith, according to what I understand, the instrument is, as usual, the upper light that includes in it all the light of faith and the light of reception, the light of bestowal, all those lights, all in all. They will be clarified later on.
Student: He writes that there is a learning that will bring you blessing, and there is a learning that will not.
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: On what does it depend on, coming to the learning with faith?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: From where is there faith before you come to the learning?
M. Laitman: I don't know. I do not know. I didn't read that yet.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:51:37) When a person begins to contain more than the Ten and they live within him, and he lives within them, the ability to overcome is much more difficult. How can faith help in that state?
M. Laitman: I don't know. I don't know. I do not know.
Student: Maybe someone can suggest something?
M. Laitman: I wasn't asking about that.
Student: Sorry.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:52:22) How to help complete the friend's faith. How to help complete the faith of the friends?
M. Laitman: How to help complete the faith of the friends? You need to read the exact excerpts where it mentions it clearly.
Student: I can pray for them. I can give them confidence, but there's a difference between them, right?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: But there is also a close relation. What is the difference, or what is the connection?
M. Laitman: If I have a feeling of confidence, so I can go with intentions in order to bestow, and I'm not afraid that it will harm me. That's it.
Student: So, I first need to be filled with faith, faith of correction, or I need a deficiency to place it below the friends, so they will receive through my deficiency?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: This or that?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: Both at the same time, or one?
M. Laitman: No, no. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. We'll learn that. You have the right observation.
Student: Okay, so to read.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:54:36) Faith and contentment to the Creator, is that the same?
M. Laitman: It's not the same.
Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:54:55) Can I say something short to the friends? I feel, friends, with all my heart, that the drop of light is near. Really, this is all we need. We only need, if without this drop, then the next drop. I feel it with all my heart. I don't understand why, but sitting next to you, in a circle with all the intention through the center of the Ten, I feel that the next drop of light will correct the whole system. And the Creator will shine for everyone.
It will lead us to please the intention into it. That's how I feel, to elevate to the Creator. It's so great to be together. Thank you to the Creator for sitting before such a great Rav, the greatest teacher in the world, with the greatest friends in the world. This now is our chance. What joy, what an opportunity. Thank you.
Song: (01:56:33)