Senya: Hello, dear friends. We continue with the broadcast of our show, Secrets of the Eternal Book,

SEMION VINOKUR, Film Director, Script Writer

and today we will be talking about Moshe. This "boy", so to speak, is born; this desire of ours is born, and everything undergoes tremendous change.

Shemot Broadcast 3

As always, in the studio with us is Dr. Michael Laitman

Senya: Hello! So we finally got to this "boy".

Rav: Yes.

SV: We have finally made it to this boy, even though it took a bit of time. That's how it is described in the Great Commentary: "At this time, Egyptian astrologers came to the Pharaoh, as usual, and declared: "We anticipate that the Jewish Messiah is about to be born. What we do not know, however, is whether this messiah is of the Jews or of the Egyptians". The prediction of the astrologers was not clear, because Moshe, although born of a Jewish mother, was brought up in the Pharaoh's palace by Egyptian woman, the Pharaoh's daughter. "If there is a chance that the Messiah could be an Egyptian," the Pharaoh announced, "then we have to slay all the newborn Egyptian boys over the next nine months." Pharaoh’s astrologers believed that the future saviour will die only if he is drowned in the Nile.  

- So what we have is...

ML: So, you see, the Nile embodies in itself...

SV: What exactly?

ML: … the egoistic feeding.  The Light that enters the ego.

SV: Right.

ML: ... and nourishes it, and because of this, the ego exists. That is, the entire fertile land of Egypt, its whole life, all the selfishness exists because of the Nile. The Nile is...

SV: Meaning that the Nile is a reviving trickle that animates the ego.

ML: Indeed.

SV: But is this also a giving part? The Nile passing …

ML: Well, thanks to it everything exists...

SV: Why is it possible to drown these Jewish boys from birthing mothers? Why?

ML: Because if you start connecting not to the light itself, but to what nourishes your ego, although it also gets the power from the light--

SV: Mmm

ML: … then you become attached to it and, in the end, drown in it.

SV: Hm. Please explain. We did not agree with you about the question-answer. How do you respond with the speed of the lightning? Well, I just wonder...

ML: Well...

SV:  In a split second. What is going on? What is happening?

ML: Nothing is going on here. This is a very simple schema. There is an ego that receives. I can describe it to you through the letter "Kuf" / “Kof”,

SV: Right, the one with the tail.

ML:  A letter which is called a monkey with a tail, which hangs its tail from the Higher Realm to our world.  

SV: Right.

ML: And through that tail of the letter "Kof" the Light descends into our world.

SV: Right.

ML:  and nourishes all of this ...

SV:  So this is ... Otherwise, it would not exist? Meaning...

ML: And how could it, how could the ego, the matter, exist if it would not have the energy in it?

SV: This is just what we call the energy ?

ML: The atoms are spinning. Where do they get the energy from?

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SV:  Now why can not the physicists find the answer to where does the energy come from to ...?

ML:  Because this is a sort of an already disappearing field. It is not perceived by them.

SV:  How can they put up with this  ...?

ML: Do they spin—yes. And why? This they have not yet ...

SV: And how can they live with it?  

ML: If there is no answer, what do you do? There was a time when we could not reveal that the universe exists for a certain number of years. We learned that it was eternal. But why? Because it is eternal. That’s it. Science, it does not claim to be true. Not at all. That is not right. The ignorant people think so. Science only explains in some very limited ranges that which we can bring to a certain system. Our little sketchy knowledge of the world.

SV: Yeah...

ML: The world is huge. There are billions of dependencies in it. Out of what we can somehow put together, we sculpt physics, chemistry, this and that. That's all. On the one hand we say, "There is no perpetual motion!" Explain to me, please, where is the energy that is spinning the atom?

SV: Exactly.

ML: Where does it come from?  The electron is supposedly spinning there at a furious pace. Supposedly, because it too, is not even a particle, it is rather like a cloud around the nucleus. Where do they get the energy from? Physicists say: "We do not know." Well now, here is a perpetual motion machine for you... Well, it cannot be perpetual. It gets it from somewhere. Where from? "We still do not know." Very well then.

SV:  A true scientist cannot come to terms with the fact that he does not know something.

ML: Well, yes, I understand. That is why the science is constantly in search. No, the scientists say that we have not yet discovered. But in principle, the assumption that there is no perpetual motion machine, is also only an axiom, an assumption.

SV:  You mean that a perpetual motion machine will be discovered sooner or later?

ML: When we go beyond the concept of time -- eternity or evanescence, then we will see that this is all, in fact, eternal. There is no machine that is not perpetual. Everything is never-ending. What can you do?

SV: It is great all the same. You know, it inspires optimism... you are speaking and...

ML: Does it?

SV:  Well, of course. It inspires optimism in people. I am absolutely sure. A person hears this and …

ML: Of course. It gives him hope. For some reason he thinks he will keep the same old shape in his next transformation, in the next dimension.

SV:  No, well, at least ...

ML:  People do not realize that we also exist there now. It is only that we exist in the form of information, in the form of energy.

SV: Roughly speaking, there exists our informational counterpart, right?

ML: No, that is exactly where we exist in this form.

SV: And here are the shadows, right?

ML:  And the fact that now we perceive ourselves as we are, we feel this way because our senses are not tuned into that frequency. And that is why out of this tremendous state we solely sense this tiny, little, distorted part. That is me, that is the world, and so on.

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SV: Well then, let's go to Moshe.

ML: Let's go, right.

SV: These are all good segues. "Now a man from the house of Levi went and took as his wife a Levite woman. The woman conceived and bore a son, and when she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months”. Then from the Great Commentary: "The seventh of Adar, Jochebed, Amram's wife, gave birth to her son.  He was born circumcised, and it was a sign that he will be a righteous man”.

{A peculiar and glorious light filled the entire house at his birth, indicating that he was worthy of the gift of prophecy.} This is now ...

ML: Well, first of all, she saw that he was fair. What does it mean that the woman saw that her son was fair?

SV: Now tell me …

ML: What mother can say that her son is not good enough?

SV: My little angel, my lovely is born.

ML:  Yes, how can this be? Fair means that really, the quality of bestowal in him prevails over the will to receive. That’s the first point. Secondly, the fact that in consequence he was born circumcised means that all his egoistic qualities have been already cut off him, somewhat hidden inside, and, the quality of bestowal, the intention to give, to fill, to imbue in kinship with the Creator, in likeness with the Higher Power, has indeed prevailed in him.

SV: That’s what the person who does the work feels, right?   

ML:  Of course..

SV: He feels that a force like this is getting born in him, right? And he understands that it is a good force.

ML:  This means that the egotistic power that exists in all of us finds within it some altruistic principles, which are beginning to develop.

SV: Right.

ML: Begin to drive it, to control it. And eventually a man springs out of this. This is  Moshe that grows up in Egypt.

SV: “Amram reached over to his daughter Miriam and kissed her on the forehead, ‘Your prophecy has been fulfilled!’ he told her, ‘This child is definitely the saviour of Israel.’

In reality, Moses had ten names, but the Creator said, "Since your life was saved by the Pharaoh's daughter, I swear I will call you only by the name that she gave you."

ML: Right. In principle, Moshe comes from the word "to drag out" - "lemshoh." The name  that she had given him on this occasion.

SV: In the event that she had dragged him  out of the water.  

ML: Yes, but the word itself --- it is from Egypt. And by the way, her name, Batya.

SV: Batya.

ML: This is "Bat-Yood-Key", which means "daughter of the Creator." Pharaoh's daughter is the daughter of the Creator. Because Pharaoh represents the back side of the Creator. We see here again how the female part of the Pharaoh, particularly, is...

SV:  ...approaching

ML: ...approaching, indeed, this quality of bestowal. And she is ready to breastfeed, and ready to bring up. Yeah.  

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SV:  But the fact that he comes from the lineage…

ML: So ... and since then, this name is considered to be a divine name. They give this name to babies today.   

SV: The Pharaoh's Daughter.

ML: Right. To this day.

SV:  to the Jewish women..

ML:  Yes

SV: But tell me a little about Moshe. One more question: the fact that he comes from the lineage of Levi. This lineage is...what is it? Explain one more time, if you can, what is it?

ML: This is a scaffolding over the general altruistic aspiration that not simply agrees to accompany the exodus from the ego, but soars forward to come closer, to approach the Creator. This is called Levi.

SV: In other words it is kind of guiding, right?  

ML: Certainly.

SV:  "When she could no longer hide him, she took a papyrus basket, coated it with clay and tar, put the child in it"

ML: Well, it is a kind of a basket.

SV: ” … and placed it among the reeds on the riverbank. …” of the Nile.

ML: It is a basket with a lid.

SV: With a lid.  “His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him..” This is what the written Torah says. This means that...

ML: So that  a crocodile would not eat it.

SV: Right.  The crocodiles were breeding in the Nile then?

ML:  Of course! If we talk about the matter, then, of course, everything existed there.  

SV: And, despite everything, we are sending the baby.

ML: Yes.

SV:  We are sending. Well, we are talking about these inner desires of ours still. We start chuting that child down the Nile.

ML: Yes, meaning that, after all, this energy, which is called the Nile, the force that emanates from the Creator, but nourishes the very essence of our ego, it ...

SV: ...corresponds, right?

ML: ...it carries Moshe straight into...

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SV: ...the hands.

ML: ...the clutches of Pharaoh.

SV:  Brilliant. Beautiful.

ML:  Otherwise he would not  have reached it.

SV:  Who? Moshe?

ML:  Yes, Moshe. He has got to reach the innermost centre of selfishness using this very energy.

SV:  And only by its virtue he can get there?

ML: Through the Nile, right. And hence the light is guiding him, just like the person who starts studying the Kabbalah, the light immediately starts to deepen him in his own egoism.

SV: Yes.

ML: The same way here. The Light deepens, guides Moshe to Pharaoh.

SV: Brilliant!

ML: Indeed.

SV:   Many do not survive these discoveries, quite literally. There, in the depths, to the Pharaoh.

ML:  Well, a man is created in order to survive it all. The main things are patience and to bow your head down a little. To understand that you are only a part of creation, and not its highest ...

SV: ...peak. The Great Commentary says: "Pharaoh’s daughter went down to the Nile to bathe, and her maidens were walking along the riverbank. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her slave girl to get it. She opened it and saw the baby. He was crying, and she felt sorry for him. “This is one of the Hebrew babies,” she said. Then his sister asked Pharaoh’s daughter, “Shall I go and get one of the Hebrew women to nurse the baby for you?” “Yes, go,” she answered. So the girl went and got the baby’s mother. Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, “Take this baby and nurse him for me, and I will pay you.” So the woman took the baby and nursed him.  (Exodus 2:5-10)

A scenario was fulfilled where his sister ..

ML: Right, on the part of the Pharaoh's daughter, she does the job for the sake of reward. From mother's part, naturally, this is her baby. And that is the way the things develop into continuity.

SV:  On the part of Moshe's sister, she is a guide. She plays the scenario out.

ML: And hence a mutual relationship appears between the Pharaoh’s daughter -- the foster mother -- and the true mother, who buys him for the money.

SV: Why?

ML: Moshe.

SV: Oh, really?

ML: She pays for feeding..... On her part, it is clear.

SV:  So the Pharaoh's daughter pays his mother so that she nurtures...

ML:  for that she nourishes …

SV: Her child  

ML: Well, hers or not hers

SV: It does not matter.

ML: She doesn’t know that.

SV:   Why did Pharaoh's daughter draw the child out of the reeds? Why did she do it? Despite the interdiction...

ML: On the one hand, the egoism and its quality in the woman is the most evil. Toxic, almost. On the other hand, it tends and leans to life. It tends to the growth, to the birth, to bear, to deliver. This property cannot be taken away from it. It is dichotomous, good and bad simultaneously. It is the most low and wild if it is egotistical; that is, a woman's self-interest is just not able to tolerate anything when self-centred. But on the other hand, when it comes to life, the woman's attribute, related to light, since it is only by receiving the light that it can engender, give birth and nurture, then this woman's attribute, it is connected with the Creator, with the desire to beget, to give birth …

SV:  Right.

ML:  ...to carry on...

SV: Yeah.

ML: This is why this attribute is called Batya. Apart from this, Batya means the daughter of the Creator.

SV: Right.

ML: Meaning that this is what stems immediately from the Pharaoh, directly, but ..

SV:  It is connected ...

ML: ...his physical daughter, and in actual fact the daughter of the Creator. That is, when this healing property of light passes inside the pharaoh, it begets this force, this light, which is called Batya. That means that in fact this is  the spark of the attribute of bestowal, the Creator's attribute residing in the egoism. It is thanks to it that the Pharaoh and entire Egypt exist. It is owing to it that in Egypt there may appear  the future human quality, in the ego, which then, thanks to this spark, comes to light.

SV: I wonder...

ML: We do not understand, we underestimate the attribute, that is called Batya. It is actually the female part of light. The female aspect of light.

SV: Now, if we look at women. Note, please, that almost nothing is said about the wife of Pharaoh, only the Pharaoh's daughter is mentioned.

ML:  The Pharaoh represents the entire enormous ego. This is the back side of the Creator.

SV: Right.

ML:  Well, in relation to the Creator, we can not to say that there is a female part.

SV: Certainly.

ML: This means that the Creator and the Pharaoh are one and the same. Except that at times it appears to us from the point of view of darkness, and at other times from the point of view of Light. But there is none else besides Him. This is a single force, which unites everything in it. There you go.

SV: Mmhm.

ML: And below this force, there are the branchings.  Take Moshe for example -- he represents a kind of a prince, the adopted son of this daughter.  

SV: Right.

ML: So this is the next step beneath the Pharaoh, beneath the Creator.  

SV: We can dwell on it forever. Let us go on with the prince. "When the child grew older, she took him to... "

ML:  He was separated from the mother, taken away from the breast, yes, and ...

ML:  ... she (his true mother) took him to Pharaoh’s daughter and he became her son. She named him Moses, saying, “I drew him out of the water.”

And here is what the Great Commentary says: "The two year-old Moshe was so tall and handsome, that it was a pleasure to look at him. Pharaoh himself loved to play with him. One day, when Moses was three years old, Pharaoh was sitting at the table with his wife Alfrenis -- so there is a wife -- his ministers, and Batya, who was holding the boy on her lap. Moshe got off the Batya’s lap came up to Pharaoh.  He saw the shining crown, studded with jewels, and reached for it and put it on his head.  Everyone watched, not daring to utter a word. Only one of the king's counsellors, Belam stood up to suggest:  "Remember, Your Majesty, that I said to you about your dream  --- this little boy has to be a Jew and his shameful behaviour reminds me of their forefathers." That is, he felt that he will take away the power of Pharaoh. It follows with, "This boy is now behaving like them, trying to trick you. He wants to seize your crown and your kingdom. You better get rid of him until it is too late. "

"Do you all agree with the words of Belam? "  the Pharaoh asked his ministers hesitatingly. An angel of God said through the mouth of one of the ministers: “This child is witless. In order to test him, set before him two bowls, one containing gold, and the other, a burning coal. If he stretches his hand to the coal, he is attracted to all the fallals like all the children, and does not deserve to die; but if he stretches his hand to the gold, he did this with intelligence, and he is to be put to death.” And now here is a explanation of why Moshe was stuttering, there it goes. "They brought a diamond and coal, and the whole court was waiting in suspense to see what happens. Little Moshe looked at both subjects, knowing well what was the difference between them. He was not going to choose a piece of coal. Moshe reached out his hand to take the diamond, but the Creator prevented this. He sent the angel Gabriel to push Moshe’s hand to the coal. Moshe took the coal, put it in his mouth and burned his lips and tongue thus causing him to be (Ex. 4:10) “slow of speech and slow of tongue”. The fact that Moshe took the coal and burned his tongue was not an accident. The Creator wanted the one who will give the people the Torah to be  a poor public speaker. Only when the Shechina descended upon him, a sort of inspiration, …

ML: ... a revelation.  

SV: "Moshe spoke well. And the people then understood that the words of Moshe were not his own. He was just an intermediate, conveying the words of the Creator. "  

ML: I need a few hours to explain it all. See, this describes a system of forces in which all of this interacts together: the Pharaoh---the force to receive, the Creator---the power of giving, Batya in the middle, Moshe, who has to rise from this egoism, represented by the Pharaoh. As he grows up gradually, making mistakes on purpose and not. How he is pushed by internal natural forces, which are called the Creator. How he errs, for example, with this coal, or doesn’t err....

SV: What does the Pharaoh see in him? Why does not he see him as his future ...

ML: The fact is that the ego cannot exist without the light that fills it...

SV: ...right.

ML: … that animates it. And Pharaoh has a precise feeling that being completely deprived of this light he depletes himself, literally committing suicide. He cannot make any progress. Moshe is not just a little baby on someone's hands - take it  and throw to the crocodiles.

SV: I see.

ML:  It is the personification of the force of bestowal due to which Egypt exists. Because since Joseph has appeared in Egypt, since then, Egypt exists, owing everything to the fact that the people of Israel were there.  

SV: Yeah..

ML: Who has spent seven fat years, seven ...  

SV:  lean   years.

ML: Lean and so on. In general, the Pharaoh understands this perfectly well. The other ministers are each in their own interests. These are attributes, individual attributes, and therefore they cannot appreciate it all. We see all this in the history of the world. Even in medieval history there are these problems. When the people of Israel were in exile and the states fell. And then they were invited back and states revived again. This is the property of bestowal, which dwells inside this people. Therefore it cannot be destroyed, but on the other hand it is always taken advantage of. Well, it is made use of...

SV:  For the time being..

ML:  Right, and thanks to it, they grow. And then ...

SV: Well, actually, like in our pre-history

ML:  The time will come when everyone will grow up.

SV:  It is repeated over and over again. All the same thing.

ML: But it is not repeated. This happens all the time in the next stage. And now we have come to a general crisis, what requires a general, common consideration.

SV: Why is it that Moses could not be a good public speaker? Why must he use his brother Aaron then? To say something.

ML: The fact is that it is impossible to descend the Upper Light so that it comes in contact with the lower levels of understanding in people. Hence, all of this should gradually descend, in stages,  and endue in a rougher, simpler matter, so that people could receive according to their level of development and gradually rise. And then they will actually feel another, higher truth in these stories.

SV: Well, now we are coming to an end. I have a question already related to this world. I would like to wrap it up a little bit. What is the property of Moshe, here in our world?

ML: In our world?

SV: In our world of crisis we live in...

ML: This is the property, which draws us out of our selfishness.  

SV: What could this be? What can pull us out of our ego? What can draw us out? That will be born out of this crisis?

ML: If we drag out this little Moshe, who lives in each of us, from our Nile, from the force that feeds our ego, and begin to raise him, despite the fact that he will be brought up in the Pharaoh's house, but under the influence of Batya, that is, the Light of the Creator, which resides in this selfishness of ours, then in the end, we would nurture a quality that will help us reveal the Creator. And then we will truly be able to follow him -- the Creator. This is a gentle, gradual emergence of connection from the very depths of our selfishness with the Higher Power through a successive, sequential chain of development from the ego, like a seed growing in and from the Earth. It can gradually become a path in the desert in a way, and then a man comes out of Egypt, and goes on and on, gradually, to the revelation of the Creator.

SV:  In other words, if we proceed from easy to hard, we still have to discover Batya, roughly speaking ... …

ML:  I do not know if we can reveal "her" this way, because this is a subtle force of the Creator inside our ego.

SV:  But it is still the closest to the Pharaoh. The intimate ...  

ML:  She is close to the Pharaoh, because she feeds him. Without being fed we cannot grow. We can only grow up out of Egypt.

SV: ...right.

ML: a...as a seed of the earth, on the one hand. On the other hand, she cannot reveal herself more than the Pharaoh’s daughter, more than this certain quality that allows our Moshe, which allows us to come out of Egypt, to grow.

SV:  To penetrate and grow.

ML:  Exactly, that is why Bat-ya; the daughter of the Creator.  

SV: Not enough attention is paid to her in reality.

ML: Little attention is paid because it is hidden, as in every other part of this story.

SV: Few people talk about her at all.

ML:  Right. But if you revert to the believers, you will see a large number of women named Batya.

SV: They assume (it is their understanding that), quite superficially, that she had helped Moshe to reveal himself.

ML: It looks superficial indeed. But in general it is ... Well, it is known that Bat-ya has the meaning of the daughter of the Creator from Hebrew. That is a very vigorous name.

SV: Thank you ever so much. Dear friends, we end our program. We have just now touched this quality inside us --- Moshe. We were not talking about external things. Perhaps it seemed this way, but you have already gotten used to it. We talked about those inner desires, that one common inner desire of ours that we all share, which pulls us up to the Creator. The will to bestow and love. Stay with us. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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