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Daily Lesson (Morning) June 22, 2024.

Part 1: Baal HaSulam. The Last Generation.

Reader: Hello, we're reading in “The Writings of Baal HaSulam,” “The Writings of The Last Generation,” continuing with part one, titled, The Positive. You can find the study materials in Sviva Tova and in the Galaxy system. You can also send us live questions through our websites. Anyone asking a question in the study hall is asked to stand up, hold the microphone close to his mouth and speak loud and clear. Again, reading from “The Writings of Baal HaSulam,” “The Writings of The Last Generation,” continuing with part one with the title, The Positive.

M. Laitman: (00:47) We must not forget that everything we're reading here is from “The Writings of The Last Generation” by Baal HaSulam. It's the original, we didn't make any changes in it. And therefore, let's study just the way that he wanted to pass it on to us. So please.

Reading Sub-heading: The Positive. (01:12)

A. Communism is an ideal, meaning moral. The goal “to work according to one's ability and receive according to one's needs” testifies to this. 

Re-reading Sub-heading: The Positive.

A. Communism is an ideal, meaning moral. The goal “to work according to one's ability and receive according to one's needs” testifies to this.

M. Laitman: (01:55) Meaning that we have to see this as something that all of humanity must reach whether we like it or not, sooner or later we'll have to get to this attitude to life, that the connection between nations, between people will be such that they can work according to their ability and receive according to the need.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:38) I just want to say that we wanted to open up every item and also ask the friends to delve in the questions about every item so that we can understand better what is written here, not just to read it, because it's really condensed. So, I have a question about communism. All the forms of communism that humanity, whatever humanity calls communism that we had until now, does Baal HaSulam see it as communism? Does he see it as something else?

M. Laitman: No, no Communism means a regime where according to people's free desire, it holds a society where everyone thinks they have to be in bestowal, in connection, and in a relationship between them where the general load is shared across everyone, and each and every one will already be in a revelation, a revelation that one has to work according to the ability and receive, work according to the desire as much as possible, and receive according to the need. As much as he needs for his family. And that certainly depends on the social development, but they have to see that this is what the future needs to be. 

Student: This means that countries, it's like the previous USSR or, I don't know, East Germany, this is not considered communism?

M. Laitman: No, this is not considered communism or socialism.

Student: So, what is it, according to Baal HaSulam, what is this kind of regime?

M. Laitman: It's an autocracy, it's a control of a group of people who came to the top of society and determined that this is what's right to do.

Student: And egoistic communism, as Baal HaSulam describes it, we haven't even reached that in humanity?

M. Laitman: No, no. Here is the question: Do we have to go through, in a communist regime, do we have to go through the same stages where there is first a forceful regime, and then a gradual development, and bit by bit? I'm not talking about that. I don't know, I don't think so, I don't think so. We have to, we need all kinds of previous forms before communism. As he writes to us here, that communism will be the idea that everyone's connected, everyone depends on each other, and everyone feels they're in this kind of society. Meaning, it depends on man's feeling and not a regime of force. And then everyone will make sure that the regime is sustained and maintained.

Student: Why does he call communism an idea or an ideal?

M. Laitman: The idea because it begins from something that is purely ideal. Meaning, it's a thought, it's not something that has something close, that has a brother in humanity, like he writes.

Student: Okay, communism is a law of nature?

M. Laitman: It arrives at the revelation of the law of nature, yes.

Student: And why is an idea a moral thing?

M. Laitman: Because it exists in a relationship between people.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (07:37) What does he mean by work, that one has to work according to his ability? What is this work?

M. Laitman: Work for the benefit of society. What the society presents as necessary work for the existence of this whole society, the regime.

Student: Because in the previous lesson you said that work means only spiritual work on the connection between us, or is this the work that now they determine that I have to work in some factory for 12 hours. That too, if it is for the benefit of the society?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Any kind of work that the society determines. And what is the need to receive according to one's needs? Who determines the need?

M. Laitman: Man does.

Student: According to his morality, or does the society decide? 

M. Laitman: No, there are probably previous degrees where there is a limit on how much one receives. But ultimately, it's all according to man's inner attitude to society.

Student: So, there is some kind, there are such relations where I determine that my need is like that, and nobody comes and complains and says?

M. Laitman: No one complains and no one sees it, and you are your own judge.

Student: So, if I need 17 portions and 5 apartments, everybody looks and says, apparently this is what he needs, everyone is happy with that?

M. Laitman: I don't know if it's unlimited to that extent, but I think that's how it is.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (09:40) First of all, the title is The Positive, or from the positive side. What does it mean? That it's positive, or it obligates us? 

M. Laitman: We'll see, I don't know, let's read on and see.

Student: Okay, communism comes from the word commune or community. All the friends, all the members in communism should feel that they're all friends, they're all as one.

M. Laitman: Well, I don't know, it depends on what society they're in. It could be millions, where it's difficult to say that we all feel as a single group, a single society.

Student: But there has to be some sort of organization where people at least have a framework where they truly feel this way like we read in the Arvut article and in the giving of the Torah, love of others, all of these things must exist?

M. Laitman: Yes, yes, it's all tens and then hundreds and thousands and so forth.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (10:44) You told the friend that an idea is moral because it has to do with the relations between people. But an idea or an ideal cancels everything else. Everything is for the ideal, for the idea. 

M. Laitman: No, no, no, we're not going to go into that level of definitions, and where you get them from, and so on.

Student: So what does it mean that moral means in relations between people? Why is it specifically between people?

M. Laitman: Man's attitude to his neighbor.

Student: So, it actually speaks about the laws of nature but in the relations between people? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:37) Can we understand from that, that to work according to the ability and receive according to the need, this is only the result, the result of the fact that the society is in bestowal?

M. Laitman: Yes, of course. This doesn't include all of the relationship between them and the forms of connection. And this is basically how society is built. 

Student: Can this be the goal or the goal should first be to reach bestowal? And this, as a result of that, we will already be in this form.

M. Laitman: Yes, it's a result of bestowal among them. 

Student: So, we can take that as a rule.

M. Laitman: I don't know what you mean by is it possible or impossible. They want to reach such a relationship where this becomes customary to them, that each one gives according to the ability.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (13:08) When he speaks about the ability here, does it mean the power of bestowal, mutual bestowal between us? So, it means that each one, according to his vessels, is measured by how he can contribute to the society?

M. Laitman: Basically, we need to reach a state where according to the inner development of each and every one, everyone comes to a state where each is drawn to give a 100% and receive the minimum needed for life.

Student: But I see some small problem here. I don't know if it's small or big, but how do we actually measure truly how much each one is giving his 100%? In the end, I have to be true with myself. Am I giving the 100%? So…?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Here the true measure is measured for each one of how much he's willing to give to the society. And this is the true power of bestowal.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: This is what we should aspire to. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (14:31) As an introduction before the beginning of this part of The Positive, he says there's no other counsel but to bring to the heart of the worker belief in spiritual reward and punishment. Then he adds, because this will be the fuel that will no longer need managers and supervisors that will manage them.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, there is a slogan that says that you should go to the end if you are lazy, learn its ways and get wiser. When the ego feels a certain relation towards such a thing, that I need to be enslaved and not completely subjugated for the benefit of the public, of the general, of the collective and for the purpose of the collective, it doesn't come in a good way. So, is it correct for us as students, at least occasionally, to sit and, let's call it imagine internally this state that it speaks about here, where I'm truly like an ant? I mean, this previous “I” that wanted whatever it wanted has disappeared. Now there's a new “I,” a new self that is completely devoted to the society. Is there a point in imagining such states, such internal states, or not?

M. Laitman: Possibly, but only as an exercise. It’s not that we determine that and begin to live by that. But knowing that this is the goal and that's what we're drawn to, and we're each trying to get there.

Student: And in that state of that there's no supervisor, not in terms of this form of communism, the way it was actually realized but in the work, in the Ten, in the inner work, besides the matter of ascribing everything to the loving Upper Providence, sometimes we have issues where the supervisor is actually the active party in the Ten that is currently leading. It could be the person who's a connectionary officer on that day, or someone who is a bit more in bestowal, let's call it that way, and he feels he's elevating the importance among the friends, the importance of the Creator. So, the manner that we annul, let's say before the connectionary officer or someone who is seemingly the supervisor, how do we reconcile that with the fact that now I need to work like an ant and there's no officer overlooking me?

M. Laitman: Both this and that.

Student: Both.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (17:53) To receive according to the need, the need for what?

M. Laitman: What a person sees that he has as a need to exist, and then he can receive that from society. That's it. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (18:24) Our mechanism right now is that I want to give nothing, and I want to receive the maximum. According to what I now understood, it has to be inverted. I want to give the maximum and receive the minimum. The question is, does the connection break apart? Because there is a certain connection. The fact that I want not to give right now, it is the same mechanism that wants to receive the maximum. So, the connection between the ability to give and the need to receive must be broken?

M. Laitman: I don't know. It's a society that gradually grows from a society like us, and they begin to scrutinize what are they arriving at. This could even be in a Ten. You don't have to have some quarter million people. And so, when they determine that and begin to somehow maintain these things, starting from the very loose general form and all the way to more and more strict forms of love thy friend as thyself, and working according to the ability and receiving only according to the need, this way they grow and better and better understand what are the laws of such a society.

Student: Do we need to work on both things, on giving the maximum and receiving the minimum or according to the need? Are these two principles that we need to work on? 

M. Laitman: Both of them need to be in balance between them each time.

Student: What does it mean, balanced? It's the maximum, so?

M. Laitman: One is more and one is less. That's how it is.

Student: But both directions? As much as possible in one, as little as possible in the other? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (20:38) This change of reception and bestowal, it happens through prayer, the influence of the upper force, or is it some sort of a process that happens through a connection between the friends? How does this change occur in the calculation?

M. Laitman: Yes, that's even in a very small society, a Ten let's say, which would be very difficult, but it's determined by the relationship between the friends.

Student: The relation is determined simply between the friends through words or?

M. Laitman: Not words, the relationship. They want their relationship to take them up the ladder higher and higher.

Student: So, they don't have this kind of relationship, but they want to reach this kind of relationship?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Then they're in it, they see that they can't really reach it. So, how does the change truly occur in these relations? How do the relations actually change?

M. Laitman: According to how they are capable of determining closeness and responsibility for each other. 

Student: But to determine, again, it's just a desire that it will be this way, but in actuality it's the opposite. As a friend said, egoistic nature is egoistic nature, you can't change it. Something has to change it.

M. Laitman: What do you mean impossible to change? It’s actually a society that is in ascending the degrees above their ego. It's mandatory to fulfill loftier and loftier instructions.

Student: This is clear, but I mean the change is not done by a person working on his own ego, or by the influence of the friends on him. The change has to be through a force from above.

M. Laitman: No, they have to raise MAN, and that they want to rise to higher and higher degrees, and then accordingly they determine.

Student: So they attain, they realize they're not in such a form, and they want to reach it. That's what they determine together.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (23:19) You said before we can see these principles not only in a quarter million people, but even inside a Ten.

M. Laitman: Essentially, basically.

Student: In a Ten we learn we need to love the friends without demanding anything in return. I have to give the maximum that I can.

M. Laitman: Yes, but at the moment we exist in a society, in a Ten where we, let's say, wish to establish a new society that will advance according to the steps Baal HaSulam writes about. So, we have to read these things and try from day to day to see if we're getting at what he's writing. Are we praying for it? Are we expecting it?

Student: In a Ten, if I try to examine these things inside the Ten, what does it mean to work according to my ability in the Ten?

M. Laitman: According to the ability. Well, here in the text he talks about a society that exists like in a Kibbutz or something of the sort where I help everyone according to my ability, in cooperation with them. Let's say in terms of our income, and I receive only what my family needs in order to exist.

Student: So we're talking about a materialistic level.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Not the inner level, in the inner relations between the friends in a Ten. We're not talking about working according to the need in the inner, on the inner level?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Here he's still relating to the materialistic level.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (25:16) Why, in giving is there no limit? Meaning, when I want to work, I determine that my giving is up to this point, that's enough.

M. Laitman: No one knows, no one is an officer on you, you have to determine that.

Student: But today, when a person goes out to provide for his family, he determines: my family needs so much, and I need to provide for them.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, in the society, why should it be unlimited? How come we don't just place a limit on giving, and that's it? That's what I'm asking. Shouldn't there be a limit on giving also?

M. Laitman: A limit on giving? No. To the extent that man says, this is what he needs, and everyone agrees with it.

Student: What will the society do with all the surplus?

M. Laitman: This I don't know. What's outside the words here, don't ask me. Throw that to the ocean, whatever.

Student: Okay, so the words, giving, a person should work to the maximum without calculating how much the society truly needs from him?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (26:45) I wanted to ask, in another place.

M. Laitman: Try to enter the spirit of what he's writing. Because even as Baal HaSulam wrote it, he didn't write it based on a system that's right in front of him. He gives some directions so that we can sense what are the boundaries, the principles of such a cooperative society. 

Student: I wanted to ask a principle question. In another place he writes, I think, in “The Peace” or “Peace in the World,” that there was already such an attempt to build such a thing in society, and the Creator will never forgive them, because they took this idea and just used it to satisfy their corporeal needs. They left the Creator out.

M. Laitman: We'll have to discuss that.

Student: So, what is the difference here with this vision?

M. Laitman: No, I have nothing to tell you now about differences. We don't understand this society or that society, to compare these societies and those times, and what's happening there. Wait.

Student: I wanted to understand the principle. What's the difference between what they tried to implement there and what he's suggesting here? What is the principle difference?

M. Laitman: The difference is, I think, and this is my opinion, that they wished to determine a relationship and an order between them as they thought based on what they knew and without a true need that comes from the connection between them. And therefore, they already turned to the Creator with an exaggerated demand.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (29:00) What does he mean by moral, when he says it's a moral basis?

M. Laitman: Well, moral, you understand what that is.

Student: Because in other places he disregards this notion of moral. He says moral is something that is not sustainable. It's people's moral.

M. Laitman: Yes, but here, once the society determines that it's going to follow these rules, then you call this a moral basis.

Student: So, it's something that he writes in order to explain a higher inner degree, or does he explain it to people who give some morality, some value?

M. Laitman: No, he's not taking these people into account. He only takes into account those who want to enter such a society.

Student: So, he has something which is external moral, which is irrelevant, but an inner moral that he does relate to.

M. Laitman: I can't say that this is how he divides it, but let's put it that way for now.

Student: Another question before that, he says that in order to have such a society, a person must get inner compensation from the upper one for the work.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What's the difference between this and the egoistic principle? Because with the egoistic principle, the compensation is compensation that I receive by nature. Here I receive compensation from the upper nature. So, it's like exchanging a cow for a donkey.

M. Laitman: No, the upper nature is nature, same thing.

Student: So, what makes this compensation, this reward worthy versus before? Before it was egoistic reward, now it's reward by the upper nature. What makes this reward worthy and different, essentially?

M. Laitman: The upper nature is because it contains the laws of an altruistic society, and they can somewhat act as an altruistic society. And that's why they can essentially contact the upper nature. The upper nature is according to the laws of the Creator, the laws of giving; of love.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (31:38) I actually want to connect to what you said, and I wanted to say the spirit of the words of Baal HaSulam. We need to look at creation as the goal which is pre-planned, and the Kabbalist writes it out of his points of attainment. Of course, if we try to look at what he wrote with our own sight, with our conditions, it is the most illogical thing possible. But along with that, we're certain that the Creator will create the suitable conditions so that the society will be capable of digesting and actually implementing these things.

Just an example, if right now there was a world which wasn't divided, countries but just one world which is organized and technology provides all the needs of people to eat and other needs, in such a world there's no problem to have the conditions of Baal HaSulam. So, if we need to get out a little bit of, like you said, we need to go out to the spirit of these things, come out of our own intellect and the existing perception, and trust the Creator that He planned a system such that in the end everything that Kabbalists wrote about will clothe in the best possible way with everything that needs to happen. Otherwise, how will creation be completed?

M. Laitman: Yes, but we can't jump above our heads and imagine that we already exist in a society that can realize this overnight, to move to spiritual laws. And therefore, we have to go according to our nature and our data.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (33:36) In the times of the First Temple, when the people, the entire nation, were in spiritual attainment...

M. Laitman: No. I'm not familiar with that, and I don't know. We don't rely on that.

Student: The question is, did they live by this principle?

M. Laitman: No.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (34:02) This condition of working according to the ability and receiving according to the need, what completes this gap is love, it can exist in a family, let's say. The parents work, they care for the children, they don't have calculations with respect to the children. In a society, it says there has to be some belief in spiritual reward and punishment, it comes from the heavens, by He who knows all mysteries. So, how can we understand what is spiritual reward and punishment? It comes from the heavens, from He who knows all mysteries, and that He sends it. In order to enable the person to work a lot and receive little, how does it work?

M. Laitman: That he works as though he receives a fantastic salary, whatever you can fantasize. So, that's on the one hand. On the other hand, he doesn't receive more than what he and his family truly need. 

Student: What enables this, as if this fantasy, even when a person receives money from his boss, this is also some sort of an imagination that has great benefit in it. But somehow a person is able to hold on to something. But what enables this, as if, this shift in your head to say that what I'm doing is correct, and I'm actually getting a great reward for it, it's worthy, etc.?

M. Laitman: This all depends on the perception and the social confidence. How one determines himself and how he belongs to the future of his society.

Student: In order for this to exist in a family, love has to be there also, right? Like in a family, right?

M. Laitman: Yes, basically we need to achieve that something.

Student: In a family, there's this kind of connection where a person perceives it as though it's for eternity. I'll be married forever, I'll have these children forever. It's not limited by time. When a person feels comfortable giving to his children everything he worked for his whole life, he feels comfortable with that. How do we reach such a relation, such an attitude in the society also. To see this connection as an eternal connection, not just for a limited time or in order to achieve something?

M. Laitman: I don't know. I also don't think a person cares about it today as he lives with his family, that it'll be an eternal connection.

Student: But it's natural this way. 

M. Laitman: No, not natural. He can think about whatever he wants, but he has no basis to think that way. What does he depend on?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (37:19) In these corrected relations, if there is some ideal in which all the conditions are held and each one can sustain for his needs, we can see how such a harmony would work. But what happens when the needs of the individuals collide with each other? When we have limited resources or the conditions don't allow the needs of one to collide with the needs of the other, then what?

M. Laitman: Okay, so you have such conflicts and you have to cut it off from different directions. 

Student: Because I think that if we try to imagine that practically, that's where the problems begin. When someone needs something, someone else also needs it, and then it's not that harmonious anymore. 

M. Laitman: It's always that way, you bet. So, we need to discuss it and cut from multiple sides. 

Student: We see that sometimes even if there's a good will and tendency towards the importance of connection, when there's a limited resource, some eruption, explosion happens. 

M. Laitman: It's not explosions. It's a topic for discussion and for placing certain restrictions, limitations.

Student: I don't know if we can compare, but there's a description of Baal HaSulam where he says that if you have all your needs and you have some confidence, then you can be fully available to serve and love others. If that need is unfulfilled, then you're still in a sense of fighting for resources.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, in that society, there has to be some prosperity to keep everyone at some level, and it doesn't have to do with connection between people, actually.

M. Laitman: No, it's unrelated to the connection between people. With each and every family that brings to the society as much as it can contribute and as much as it has to receive all of this data, with that they enter a common discussion.

Student: But then again, if I need for my family X and a friend needs Y, and there's only one thing, so we start the struggle, who's going to get it? That's where the envy, and the conflict, and all of that arises. So if there's a way to give everyone the same standard of living, then it can be balanced. But at the moment it's not really equal, that's where the calculations begin.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So what covers that, all of those calculations?

M. Laitman: Love covers them.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (40:40) So, there has to be a goal in front of those who want to come together all the time. Without a goal..

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: It's just a collection of people. So, anything else leads to failure.

M. Laitman: Yes, of course. The connection of everyone should be the goal for all of the relations between us.

Student: How to lead this group of egoists? Each one wants a good life. How can they come to a spiritual goal?

M. Laitman: Each and every day have discussions, and lessons, and prayers, everything possible in order to bring ourselves to a system where we're all interconnected in mutual bestowal, and how each and every day when we can bring out of ourselves all of our inclinations, our egoistic and altruistic inclinations, with that we want to reach the correct connection.

Student: So a person needs to know that he sacrifices himself.

M. Laitman: Sacrificing or not sacrificing.

Student: But how? If I'm an egoist, I'm going to look for my self-benefit everywhere.

M. Laitman: But you know that your personal benefit has to be as a certain average of the personal lusts of everyone. Otherwise, you too won't be able to have it good.

Student: Yes.

M. Laitman: It's like a game that is all built on balance. Each time this balance rises and rises and rises. And in this balance, we need to always find the connection between one and everyone, one and everyone, one and everyone. So that we balance how much we need to receive from the society and how much to give to the society. This needs to be like a formula.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (43:24) So, this can be, let's say we think about starting this in the Ten. Can this begin from one person who decides that?

M. Laitman: No, he has to be inside a Ten.

Student: Yes, he's inside a Ten, but he decided to start working this way, work according to the ability and receive according to the need. And he doesn't know if the others are... 

M. Laitman: Towards the Ten.

Student: Yes.

M. Laitman: That he's towards them and they are towards him.

Student: He's towards them, he doesn't know about them.

M. Laitman: No, that's not good. It means there's no society yet.

Student: Exactly. So, where does it begin?

M. Laitman: At a point where we all connect and we reach the... We come to the study, After the study, sometime later they start to connect between them and implement it.

Student: How does the implementation begin? How? We could say that we want to realize this, but how does it actually start?

M. Laitman: So, we need to learn how we're capable of actually executing it.

Student: So, for instance, yesterday we sat and discussed and many questions arose. Is this the way to start discussing it?

M. Laitman: Yes, for the time being, we need to scrutinize it by talking. Later on, assign to each and every one, give each one a thousand stickers, something that seemingly is equal to money, and start playing with that. Yes. And this is how we reach actual distribution. There are many things in that.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (45:37) Why, basically, do I need to see feedback from society? The whole explanation is about the need for reward from above, meaning my calculation is towards the Creator, not the friends. I always see false towards the friends. So why do we need to demand to see this reciprocity in my eyes?

M. Laitman: But you need to see from them a response that will strengthen you.

Student: A person can see the response in someone who… This is what I don't understand. Because we said all the failure of the Kibbutzim, too, is that through your eyes, your eyes always see flaws in the friends. And the whole calculation is not with respect to us but towards the Creator. If there's no Creator, this whole thing collapses.

M. Laitman: Here it's with respect to the society, not with respect to the Creator.

Student: Meaning I have to see in them, in my eyes, an example for this principle?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: My incorrect eyes, or it's after a correction?

M. Laitman: The way I am.

Student: So, if I don't see such an example in the Ten, I have to demand to see one?

M. Laitman: You take the society, right? You give each and every one a thousand coins, let's say coins. And we start to work, to play with it. Each one, whatever, anyone who needs comes with his coins, and he buys something. If he makes, if he gains, if he makes money, he brings as much as he has gained. And this is how the society is sustained, it lives. Of course, there are a thousand different questions here, but actually this is how it is.

Student: It's a game with respect to something on the outside or it's internal?

M. Laitman: It's with respect to the inner distribution of funds between us.

Student: It's not so clear what I get from these coins. Let's say we do this spiritual monopoly. What do I get with these coins?

M. Laitman: You buy a cow. What does it matter what?

Student: The question is whether we get importance, things like that, or something physical. What's the discussion between us?

M. Laitman: Something physical, something spiritual, it doesn't matter what it is. Spiritual means not actual physical material supplies.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (48:35) The form of the social regime here is after the society undergoes correction, or you can have such a regime before there is a spiritual correction?

M. Laitman: From zero.

Student: How is it from zero? It's exactly what Russia did.

M. Laitman: Don't explode, okay? From zero means, put down your microphone. So, it means that they are not yet in a mutual connection of mutual giving and bestowal, but rather they are beginning to establish it.

Student: We are trying to understand the form of the future regime.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: The correct form of connection. A regime is the right connection. We learn this from Arvut, to have the right connection we need 600,000 loyal lovers that a person feels when he's in such a society. My question is: Do the forms of connection appear as a result of the correct Arvut between the pieces? And then these forms of connection that are correct naturally arise, like Baal HaSulam describes here, or are we going to carry out external things like distribution of wealth and so forth before we have this clothing of correction? 

M. Laitman: No, it has to come together with that.

Student: So, first there has to be a spiritual correction. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And then the result of spiritual correction is the right social regime?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (50:46) The realization of the connection between us is the idea, which we could say is a taste in bestowal. Then he writes that the end of that testifies to work according to the ability and receive according to the need. So, that's the result. And the main effort we have is in the taste of bestowing?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And so it's not really the result. It's like how we check our work.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (51:31) What is the main quality that a person needs? What perspective to know what is his need? How can he be precise about it? What is this unique measurement? Maybe there's a measurement tool. 

M. Laitman: I don't know. Sit down and discuss it with your wife. 

Student: Discuss what we need? Me and my wife? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: What we really actually need. And you don't have any advice for how to measure it? 

M. Laitman: No. You need to scrutinize it. 

Student: Okay. I'll do it. Thank you. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (52:27) Again about the goal, each one individually, his goal. Earlier they asked and you said the goal is connection. This is the most internal thing or the goal is actually the Creator and everything else is just a wrapping of that; it's the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (52:57) What causes that the, for the idealists that the, he says the altruists are the minority. Why would they rule? Let's say Viktor Frankl, the psychologist, said about Auschwitz that the good ones went and are gone. They gave to everyone in the beginning and then they died. What promises that the altruists will be the strong that will be in power? 

M. Laitman: This is the law of nature. The law of nature ultimately organizes people in the correct system. That is all.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (53:53) To try to continue what the friends asked. If until the September Congress we try to play a game, to kind of feel it. Let's say every friend receives some points or something else to create some artificial element to feel that.

M. Laitman: Well, I didn't, I wasn't involved in such a game. But if you want to do it, do it. 

Student: All right. Is it worthwhile to, we can also do it online. We can do it with some fun App kind of thing or something. Is it worthwhile for Tens to engage in that, let's say? 

M. Laitman: You need to decide.

Student: Okay. And if a person received, I received an X amount of points. What do I get by that? What do you trade with?

M. Laitman: I don't know. What is the connection between you? What does each one give? What does each one demand? 

Student: And who measures that? 

M. Laitman: What? 

Student: Who measures? I'm trying to understand the conditions.

M. Laitman: The conditions? Well, you need to write them down. There has to be some mechanism that will show each one where he is and what direction he's moving to from yesterday to today, and so on. 

Student: So, some obligation to society, participation in activities, examples I give?

M. Laitman: Well, first we need to sit down and establish the rules, the rules of the game. And then accordingly we need to have some sort of an image or a table that shows you and advance this way. 

Student: And who's the winner of the game, the one who becomes the richest, who gains the most? 

M. Laitman: No, I don't think that this is a gain that we need to have. If you can ultimately reach a society that is constantly balanced and their vessels, meaning their laws, their desires, are balanced, and they elevate the central force in the society higher and higher.

Student: So, the corrected state or balanced state in society is what? That some work more, some work less, but we feel the society? 

M. Laitman: The gain, the mutual gain is the Creator is the summary, the sum total of the mutual profit rises higher and higher. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (56:55) You answered that we balance the gaps, the differences with love.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: We know that when we try to start connecting, we discover disparity of form. The more we try, the more we discover it. So, what does it mean to take all these changes and cover them with love? 

M. Laitman: I don't know. There are many questions here even in what you asked. We didn't talk about love so far. And love is also some kind of payment. All in all, everything is determined either by livelihood, whatever you receive, or payment, whatever you give. So, it's not yet clear to us. I hope that you will think about it, you'll talk about it, and you'll already bring it to us so that we can have a discussion on which we can actually portray something. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (58:06) So, in this game, let's say that the friend brought up, the Ten has, say, a thousand coins. We can tell society, we can give you the importance of the Creator with no end, pay us, we want to give it to you. Or, we are willing to pay you, just allow us to give you importance of bestowal. So, what form is... Because the balance is always, you know... 

M. Laitman: You need to discuss it. What you said now was incorrect. That's all I can say.

Student: What's incorrect? 

M. Laitman: What is it that you want to give? To whom do you give? From whom do you receive? You seemingly here have some sort of mechanism of managers versus the common people, and you're in the middle between them determining certain relations. 

Student: We as a Ten, we create some product for society, the importance of bestowal, and we say, wish to give that. Now, the question is: Do we need to pay to give that, or we have to demand payment for it? 

M. Laitman: All of these things should be brought up for discussion. Discussion between you. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:00:06) About the game, basically, everyone's primary resource is time. Now, if each one starts measuring or there's an agreement in the Ten that each one starts looking and calculating how much time he invests for his own need, for other needs, and measure that. If that's correct, then should there be like a competition here or some influence over each other, or this is forbidden to do and everyone has their own calculation?

M. Laitman: I don't know. Not the rules or anything. You need to discuss it in such a way accept the rules, the relations between you, and how do you choose one force or another, and how to bestow by it, etc.. I don't... 

Student: But we begin from some awareness, some inner work in these things?

M. Laitman: What inner work do you have?

Student: I'm saying just that it's clear to everyone that you don't run away from it. You self-scrutinize what you want to reach and what's going on with the others. And based on what we discussed, you said it's all a matter of balance.

M. Laitman: You want to advance towards a form of the society that enters Arvut,  mutual responsibility about which Baal HaSulam talks about and he wrote about it. That is all. The moment that you reach that, you discover the Creator, and you discover yourselves and the Creator exists amongst you, and this is how you advance. This should be as simple as possible.

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