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Daily Lesson (Morning) November 24, 2024.

Part 2: On the Verge of Lishma - Selected Excerpts from the Sources. #10.

Reader: 10. RABASH, Article No. 587, "The Upper One Scrutinizes for the Purpose of the Lower One"

Reading: 10) (00:18) By which the lower one feels His exaltedness. At that time, he begins to understand that it is worthwhile to annul before Him and cancel his existence before Him. Then, he feels that all that there is in reality is only because such is His will, that the Creator wants the lower one to exist, but for himself, he wants to annul his existence. It follows that then, all the vitality he feels is regarded as Lishma and not for himself.

When he feels this, it is considered that he already has the correction of the MAN, and then he is also fit to receive the MAD, as well, for there is no contradiction between them anymore, since the lower one, too, wants the benefit of the upper one and not his own benefit.

It is considered that when the upper one gives the lower one Mochin, he also gives him the clothing of the Mochin, meaning that he gives the lower one the abundance, as well as the power of the Masach, which is the desire to bestow. This is the meaning of “from Lo Lishma, we come to Lishma.”

Re-read: (03:15)

Student: (05:05) He is depicting a relationship between the upper one and the lower one, and then he says that all his vitality is on account of Lishma, and not on himself. So, what is the addition of MAD? He explains the correction of the MAN and receiving the MAD, but he says the lower one wants the upper one's benefit, not his lower one, before the MAD came. So, what is the addition of the MAD?

M. Laitman: By that, he divides how much of the light of the abundance appears to the lower one, how much to the upper one, and what's the relation between them.

Student: How does the lower one see the benefit of the upper one is better, and not his own benefit? Because it seems that something is increasing here? 

M. Laitman: The upper one gives the lower one the power of the vessel, so he can deal with his vessels. And by that, he sets his degree, his state.

Student: So what is the MAN about, actually? 

M. Laitman: The MAN is the lower one wanting to raise a lack to the degree of the upper one, in order to participate there.

Student: What is in the upper degree that isn't in the lower degree?

M. Laitman: Everything. Everything that the lower one doesn't have exists in the higher degree.

Student: He has his own vessel, the vessel of the lower one? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: There, already, contentment happens, because he?

M. Laitman: No, on the higher degree, there is more than his vessel.

Student: What is there? 

M. Laitman: According to the height, the degree.

Student: How does the lower one add contentment? 

M. Laitman: He wants to be adhered to the upper one, as much as possible. And it doesn't matter if he doesn't have the power for that. The upper one doesn't lack the power, but the desire which the lower one has, the upper one does not have. And so that is what the lower one has to express. 

Student:  So giving contentment is a measure of adhesion?

M. Laitman: Yes. The same way a little child smiles to his mother, he opens his little hands, stretches his little hands towards her. How pleased does that make her? 

Student: (08:33) He writes that the moment he is qualified, meaning that there is equivalence of form, so he gets the force of the screen. But we learn that the clothing of Mochin is the light of Hassadim. So what is the difference between the screen and the light of Hassadim? So what is the difference between the Screen and the light of Hassadim?

M. Laitman: Whatever is lacking, he receives. What he lacks. That's it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (09:13) What's the difference between, annulling to him and annulling from his own reality? 

M. Laitman: That's the difference between degrees. Either I annul my own reality, meaning I annul my will to receive. I annul my degree with respect to the lower one, with respect to the upper one, rather. With respect to him, I'm zero. And I don't ask and I don't receive anything.

Student: And to annul?

M. Laitman: Yes, and annulling before the upper one. To annul myself before the upper one, I have to draw from the upper one his degree. And in the degree I'm in, I have to annul myself.

Student: And when a person annuls from his own reality? 

M. Laitman: Yes?

Student: So what's left, what remains, what adheres to the Creator? What's to annul from his own self? I understand to annul before the Creator, but what does it mean to annul from my own reality? 

M. Laitman:  It remains as the reality of the Shoresh, the root. 

Student: Which is? 

M. Laitman: It is as the upper one birthed it, to begin with. 

Student: So why is this whole turnaround for? 

M. Laitman: This entire journey is one where a person measures his degree of the coarseness of Shoresh against the coarseness of the upper one, and then in the difference between them, he feels how much better the degree of the upper one is to his degree, than his degree.

Student: That's what he writes, that all his life is on account of Lishma? 

M. Laitman: Yes, of course. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (11:36) What does it mean that the MAN are corrected? He says that this feeling shows that his MAN is corrected.

M. Laitman: That the lack he raises from his degree to the upper one is aimed at attaining the upper one through reflected light. 

Student: So there's a process that the MAN first is uncorrected? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And we have to raise those uncorrected desires? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So what is the corrected MAN incorporated of? What's in there? 

M. Laitman: His coarseness and the coarseness of the upper one, the reflected light. His reflected light and the upper one's reflected light. These states, lower one and upper one, and that's it. It's this whole comparison between them. 

Student: This matter that he just wants, supposedly feels the greatness of the Creator, and wants to annul and live because that's the upper one's desire. So he still needs to open his desire.

M. Laitman: He opens his desire. He opens the upper one's desire. He wants to adhere to the desire of the upper one. He wants to open up the upper one's desire using his own desire. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (13:42) Why does the MAN need a screen? 

M. Laitman: How could man exist without a screen?

M. Laitman: How will he create the MAN painted that he wants?

Student: He wants to resemble the Creator. He raises a desire to resemble the Creator. 

M. Laitman: Can that be done without a Massach, without restriction and reflected light? 

Student: What does the screen give the MAN? What's its addition?

M. Laitman: The screen generates the MAN, sets it in such a way where it's directed towards the upper one, towards the Creator. 

Student: In that way they equalize. What's the work that brings you to raise MAN?

M. Laitman: The work that brings us to the work of MAN is the work by which we want to liken ourselves to the upper one. 

Student: And for this we need a screen? I don't understand.

M. Laitman: You will understand it, yes. There's more to learn. 

Student:The screen is for the abundance that comes, or is it for the MAN that isn't working? 

M. Laitman: The screen is already MAN. That's how it should be. We'll talk about it. It's not yet clear.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (15:54) He writes that a person feels that if he has a reality it's because it's the Creator's will to have a reality.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: But for himself he wants to annul from his existence. So he's going against the Creator. The Creator wants him to have existence and he says, no I don't want to have existence. 

M. Laitman: Correct. That's the MAN.

Student: So why is it called equivalence of form? Because he discovers that that's the Creator's will and he says I don't agree, I don't want a reality in existence. Why is that equivalence? 

M. Laitman: Because of the Creator, He already gave the upper one everything he needs to give and then the upper one now needs to calculate to see what he lacks to resemble the upper one.

Student: So there's a determination, a choice when the lower one says my desire for my reality comes from above and also the ability to come out of my own existence that's also from above and he needs to determine here?

M. Laitman: Let's say determine. 

Student: So what determines that he'll say I want to annul my own existence and be in the upper one? 

M. Laitman: The reality of the upper one. The upper reality determines. Yes it's annulment but on a higher degree. 

Student: And that's called MAN. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So what's MAD that comes in exchange to that?

M. Laitman: MAD comes as the light in which the lower one clothes himself so as to resemble the upper one. We will learn about it. There are many things to this which are very pretty. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (18:25) Lishma is for the Creator. Everything that's outside of me and love and completion and I might have a desire but all the work I get from the environment all the yearning will say. What clothes on a friend's vessel? 

M. Laitman: We don't have any such examples. There are none.It's, from examples, reflected light, the extent to which you can be in equivalence of form with respect to a third party. We will talk about it in the future. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (19:36) I'm asking about the MAN, if I understand correctly, he's saying that we need two conditions to establish MAN, one is to engage in the greatness and importance of the Creator, and annulment, two annuls, the Ten and the Ten annuls towards the Creator, that's in order to establish MAN, right? So let's say we have a common deficiency, we don't have a lot of deficiencies, we have deficiencies in the Tens, to reach one man with one heart, and we have the general deficiency of preparing for the convention, so our prayer, our MAN, if we all bring ourselves and attack that, because there aren't many things, so that's a common walk towards the MAN to reach the convention as prepared as we can. Can we go with that line of thought? 

M. Laitman: According to your opinion, yes. 

Student: I don't want my opinion, otherwise I wouldn't ask him, your opinion is more important for all of us.

M. Laitman: Then replace your opinion with mine, if it's more important, 

Student: I'm not asking about MAN, I'm asking about man, on what we need to do, that's a deficiency a Ten has, what deficiency will we have before we talk to the Creator, first we have to be one man with one heart?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And the general deficiency that as a group we'll formulate and see that common goal, so that's your opinion, you said yes?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (21:47) A screen and reflected light, is that a result of the efforts and the work in the Ten? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (22:06) The Creator wants the lower one to have existence, that's called His greatness, how can a person feel that more? 

M. Laitman: That's done by a person raising his reflected light to the upper one, and demanding the upper one to clothe in that reflected light.

Student: That's after it was rewarded with the force to annul? 

M. Laitman: Yes, of course.

Student: How does he start feeling it more, that he's rewarded in feeling the greatness of the Creator?

M. Laitman: He annuls himself as much as he can towards the Creator, and in exchange for that, the form of Bestowal from the upper one to the lower one, 

Student: That only depends on his environment, and he can't do it on his own, it's a question? 

M. Laitman: He can't do this on his own. 

Student: So only the environment can do that?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (23:47) The MAN is considered the reality or the existence of the created being?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: And he wants to adhere to the reality that the Upper One is preparing for him. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So, in addition to the man, if that's his existence, but he wants to annul from his existence.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So what's he asking, because there's already a plea, and that's the existence he wants to annul from. So, how does another deficiency come in here, where the screen comes in the desire to bestow? What's the work of the lower one, that already establishes MAD, and wants the MAD to clothe in him? 

M. Laitman: He establishes his MAN according to the mud he has, his MAN towards the Upper One, and then the MAN clothes on the MAD. And that gives them a new form of interaction. 

Student: So, a relation to the connection is built, and not only to the deficiency?

M. Laitman: Yes. And now, with the difference between the MAN and the MAD, he begins to work. Meaning, he wants to reciprocate, to give back to the Upper One, in return to what he received from him. And so, he raises his reflected light to the Upper One.

Student: What, in that connection, is considered reflected light?

M. Laitman: It is the force that the lower one has, from having felt the Upper One to be greater than himself.

Student: How can you increase this feeling of greatness of the Upper One? 

M. Laitman: For the time being, let him act according to what he discovered. That's it. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (26:53) The exaltedness of the Creator, is it a reason or a result? The exaltedness of the Creator is a result?

M. Laitman: And also, the cause comes from the fact that the Creator works on the person, giving him a connection to that exaltedness. 

Student: The Creator works on a person that's direct light? 

M. Laitman: Let's say. 

Student: And what's the connection between reflected light and MAN? Why are there two terms? 

M. Laitman: What's the connection between the reflected light and MAN? Reflected light is the lower one giving back to the Upper One. And direct light is what the Lower One raises towards the Upper One.

Student: And the MAN (Mayin Nukvin)?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: What's the difference between MAN and reflected light? When does he use this, and when does he use that?

M. Laitman: Man is light, like reflected light, which the Lower One raises to the Upper One. Since the Lower One wants to receive the power to hold on to him, towards the Lower One.

Student: Reflected light? 

M. Laitman: Reflected light, that's clear. It's light which is in the upper one. And with that reflected light, he holds on to, he prints the degree he's in. 

Student: I'm asking because they both sound identical. They have one purpose, to connect to the Upper One, in the same way it connects to us. That's in the form of Bestowal, it's unpleasant in the will to receive, and we need to connect in the form of Bestowal that it also is unpleasant, but with the importance and exaltness of the Creator. That's why I asked to begin with, if that's the cause,

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: The exaltedness of the Creator, so it's the cause and the effect. Eventually, if a person wants to reach the exaltedness of the Creator, and makes efforts against his will, so he actually acquires that exaltedness that helps him continue the efforts and keep doing the actions. Is that the right way to look at it? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (30:23) Coarseness, is that the reality I feel, is that right? My reality is my coarseness? 

M. Laitman: To the extent that you're capable of recognizing it and processing it, I don't know.

Student: The feeling of the reality that a person feels, he has to annul. What we're learning, it's not a person's coarseness? 

M. Laitman: Let's say it is.

Student: When he needs to make contact with the upper one, you said he feels the coarseness of the upper one, and so he makes the effort, he annuls, then he starts feeling the coarseness of the Upper One. And that feeling, is that to the extent of the coerceness that the lower one can feel?

M. Laitman: It may be, yes. 

Student: This relationship with the upper one. The upper one lets the lower one feel him, but only to the extent, well not really him, only to the exTent that the lower one can stand him. Yes. It's like he annuls himself, so I'll be able to contact with him. Is that right? Because he is, he supposedly annuls himself so I can feel him, and I have to do the same thing

M. Laitman: That's always true. 

Student: Why are you saying it's always right?

M. Laitman: So the lower one doesn't get confused.

Student: So the extent of attainment, or the height a person reaches, is the measure he can annul his coerceness compared to the coarseness of the Upper One? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (32:30) According to the excerpt, a person on his own is willing to annul and actually to relinquish his own existence. But because he feels that the Creator wants him to remain in that existence, so he agrees. Can we understand that a person is willing to bestow in order to bestow, to completely annul, not to use his desire, but only because the Creator wants him to receive in order to bestow, he's willing to remain in his own reality so it will be corrected and he can receive in order to bestow? 

M. Laitman: For the time being, you are correct. 

Student: Meaning, this feeling that a person wants to receive in order to bestow, it shouldn't come from him, but he has to be convinced that it's the Creator's will?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (33:45) I want to see if I understood this correctly. When he feels this feeling, it's a correction on the man? Meaning, the Creator just constantly corrects our MAN so it'll be correct, and then he receives MAN. That's what it means, that the Creator is directing us to the right request, so we'll feel what Lishma is, and then we'll really be prepared to, and I'll be for him, and the request will be right. Is that what he means? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (34:27) So to continue that, the screen is like a filter of our MAN, because in my feeling, my MAN is always egoistic, but there has to be something above me that filters that or corrects that. So the question is, how to build a screen?

M. Laitman: By raising MAN from the person upwards.

Student: Always to ask and ask, so the request creates a screen, and the screen constantly corrects those pleas.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (35:19) There's his own reality, there's the Ten’s reality, and there's the Upper Ones reality. What's the connection between those?

M. Laitman: His own reality, those are the records, which are at the core, foundation of the person. And the reality of the Ten, that's a bit more complicated, a bit more difficult. It's the existence, which holds the person, sustains him as he grows and develops, and the existence of the Upper One, that's the higher degree which a person achieves. 

Student: But we say that first we have to go from his own existence to the existence of the Ten. 

M. Laitman: Yes, that's for the time being.

Student: But here too, we have to ask for help for it, we need man, there's also an action that supposedly isn't before the Upper One, but before the Ten. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So can we understand everything we read here is a passage from his own existence to the existence of the Ten? 

M. Laitman: Yes. All right, friends? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (37:08) When a person is in Lo Lishma, whichever way you see it, the plea will be egoistic, what you raise to the Creator, and he won't give you what you want in the way you want it. I guess he corrects the request somehow and gives it back in Bestowal. So how can you understand the Creator's answers? Because I'm expecting for him to give what I asked for, and he gives something else that I don't even know what it is. How can you get his answer?

M. Laitman: You want from the bottom up, from the top, and also on the path from below upwards to understand what's happening with you, and for what purpose, and so on, and that won't work.

Student: I want some dialogue with the Creator, because it turns out that I'm talking to him. 

M. Laitman: You are in a dialogue with the Creator if you annul yourself towards him as much as you can, like a baby. He lies down, he's lying down, he can't do anything more than move his hands and feet, rotate them a little bit. He doesn't know, but the mother understands him, feels him. She's happy because of him.

Student: Can a baby somehow understand the mother’s language?

M. Laitman: No, no he can't. Don't expect that. And it's not necessary either, because on his decree, he only needs his mother's care.

Student: So what vessels do the MAD return to? Where does the answer go to? 

M. Laitman: It's all with respect to the person.

Student: But it's a person that isn't really able. 

M. Laitman: You want to make everything, you want to see everything, it doesn't work.

Student: But without an answer, it's hard. How can you hold a prayer all the time? 

M. Laitman: If you won't agree, and if you don’t go according to the Creator's, if you don't agree to walk according to the Creator's steps, you'll remain as you are. 

Reader: We'll go to studying between the friends now.