Morning Lesson January 20, 2021 Transcription is made from simultaneous translation which leaves possibility for error
"The Work Between the Desirable State and the Existing State" - Selected Excerpts from the Sources, #4
1. Rav’s Introduction:
There's a lot to talk about these states, the existing and the desirable because this is our whole life. Also in the corporeal life this is how we are and also in the spiritual life, anything that exists there is something that it exists in and something that it would like to be in and the difference between these two states is called its life. This is why we in order to bring ourselves to the true states first of all we have to envision it to ourselves, according to what Kabbalists explain to us that we are in the complete state, complete in that we are in the Creator's wholeness with his forces, under his control. However that complete state which is the only thing that exists we need to discover it and the revelation of the complete state, for that we have to go through all kinds of states in how we feel, from what we feel and to what we have to reach. Then when we advance towards the desirable state, we begin to feel that all of these things in which we were before the previous states, it was as though we were dreamers, It was truly as a dream it was not true. Rather through our egoistic will to receive which the Creator has created, as he says I have created the evil inclination, we saw through this evil inclination that he created, we saw the world, ourselves and everything in such a way that this is called the existing state, incomplete state and the Creator arranged this for us.
On the other hand, through the Kabbalists, they explained to us that actually we exist in the complete state and we never leave that complete state because the Creator controls everything. However we exist as if in a dream, in a foggy state and this is called concealment. There are many kinds of concealment and we need to realize that this is just something that it's hiding from us, the complete state and nevertheless we always do exist in both states: the existing and the desirable. This is why we need to imagine to ourselves the existing state as it is within our senses because the judge has only what is I see, that's on the one hand. On the other hand, we need to build above the desirable state, however we can imagine to ourselves that the world is under the control of the perfect upper force. So what kind of world should it truly be and then again the difference between these two states we can see where we are relative to the truth as much as we are able to.
Nevertheless, between the degree that I am in and the degree that I should have attained and this is how we can promote ourselves each time towards the Creator, towards the state where I do not change my HaVaYaH. Everything exists in a single state where the upper light is filling the whole of reality and as much as we advance towards the Creator, the gap between the existing situation and the desirable one can be even greater on each and every degree. Because we are capable more and more of depicting to ourselves what is the complete state relative to the state that seems to us that is revealed to us and then we will discover a more egoistic state, each time a greater egoistic state. We can depict our ego, discover our ego is worse, more harmful relative to the desirable state that we can depict to ourselves as more and more whole. That way therefore we advance with a greater gap between the desirable state and the existing state, so much so that we reach the world of Ein Sof in the plus and the world of Ein Sof in the minus, truly.
From the state of zero like that in this way we grow to envision our complete state with the Creator, it is considered have to annul our ego, we have to pray for that state because the Creator created it deliberately so that specifically with the help of our ego the feeling of our ego we will be able to start to pray for him, make contact with him, that we need him, otherwise we will not be able to get out of our situation. We need to be drawn to dream about that state which we depict as our desirable one so that in our world, in our corporeal life, we dream about something, that we want to advance towards something, that we are going to achieve. This means that to envision a state where we are connecting to the Creator, means we are praying for that state, just like in our own life something that we want and are drawn to it, means we are praying for it. It means we are taking steps to achieve it, because where man’s thoughts are this is where he is, this is why it is good to depict the complete good states not the way that they are depicted to us, felt by us in our ego in the present situation which is a lie that the Creator created for us so we will constantly feel we are in a lie, in a false world, in concealment and we will want to get out of it. All of our work is how we make efforts in order to exit the concealment. What do we need in order to advance towards the light? It might be that sometimes it seems to us that these exercises are false exercises, I feel this world I exist in right now, this is my reality, this is me.
Why should I imagine to myself that I exist in something else, I exist in it however I have all kinds of false feelings, false sensations, so what should I do? Against the fact that I might think that I am in the real world and I can't say that I'm living a lie, however we should also see that in our world as well we constantly build, making plans and without a plan we cannot achieve anything. This is why going forward by building each time the desirable states on top of the existing states, it is considered that we're using the faith in the sages, what they attained and described to us, we are trying to depict to ourselves and out of that to attain it. This exercise should be our permanent constant exercise, the gap between the existing what we feel in our five beastly senses and later on they will already be spiritual sensations and nevertheless, we will want to rise above them, that is the existing state that is felt in us right now versus the desirable state which we are praying for and when we're talking about a state where we are more connected between us and we are actualizing it in the 10, in the connection with the Creator and all the way to the final correction.
2. S. (12:12) How to imagine the desirable state without risking falling into an illusion since we have no idea of this state?
R. That is true however it's always like that for you even in your own life, you imagine to yourself the next state because you want to advance in life and accordingly you find certain means by which you can advance towards the desirable state. This is how you do it. All in all we exist in a state where our ego is depicting to us the present state, the present world and we on the other hand want to envision to ourselves a state where the Creator is in control and he has revealed and we are under his control instead of under the control of our ego. This is why we do these exercises, I don't see anything unnatural about it, to the contrary. How do we do it if we want to advance in science, in the construction of human society, in our own life, we also did the same thing.
There is nothing here that is not familiar to us from our own life, there is no such thing. The thing is that here we are playing with our will to receive versus the will to bestow that we wish to develop. We want to develop in us the quality of the Creator whereas in our own lives we are only working with our will to receive, a smaller one, a bigger one, we have a will to receive in a certain form and we advance so that it will be in a more specific for my greater will to receive more cunning so we're only working with inside of our will to receive. This is considered that we are in the framework of this world. If instead of the will to receive, if I develop a little bit the will to bestow and I wish to exist in a world where the force of bestowal is residing then I already try to bring myself out of this world the upper world, the opposite world and then through such exercises I'm no longer elevating myself to a greater degree of the will to receive but rather to the degree of bestowal, what we call the spiritual degree but the exercises are the same exercises. We just need to check how we actualize them and how we can ascend through them.
3. S. (15:36) As far as the Creator is concerned we are in the perfect state, now in the perfect state, the Creator sees only our souls does he not take our bodies into account?
R. The fact that we are seemingly divided into body and soul is all an illusion that we exist in. There is no such division into body versus soul. There is a division only according to the desires, there is nothing besides desire. The higher desire is called a soul, in the lower desire is called a body. That's it.
4. S. (16:38) Yesterday we were doing this exercise I've depicting the existing situation vs. the desirable situation and we said that it is worth it to talk about being in greater connection, wanting to be in greater connection and it feels like the desirable state is actually emotional, how can I go towards an emotional state that I'm not in?
R. Depict it in such a way, how in our own life can we imagine ourselves already being as grown-ups or as achieving something, a new profession, we get married, we get all kinds of things, we succeed in work, in connection or relationships with people or with our colleagues, it is all a feeling. It's not something mechanical. Our whole life nevertheless is a feeling. I don't understand why you're saying that it's higher and we cannot feel it.
S. I'm not saying that it's impossible to feel I'm saying that I can't understand how, it's like never having been in love and trying to imagine what it's like to be in love. How can I know if I've never felt it?
R. If you talk about it you'll see that you can advance actually.
5. S. (18:14) Do we need to share my current existing state?
R. You should talk about the desirable state that you wish to reach, not the existing situation because anyone who feels what each one feels whatever he feels, it's better as Rabash writes and all the Kabbalists write about the future states and how much we should be connected and discover the Creator in our connection.
6. S. (18:56) The difference between, the distance between the existing and the desirable grows, needs to grow to infinity so what happens in adhesion with that distance?
R. Everything comes together, everything joins together and I recommend to think through desires, not only through your intellect.
7. S. (19:32) What role does the lie have to do in discovering the gap between the existing and desirable?
R. You can ask in this way about each and everything. They confuse us in order for us to find the difference between the existing and the desirable in a more concise manner, precise manner.
8. S. (20:04) How to correctly ignore the false reality?
R. We need to yearn towards the desirable reality as much as possible and to envision it practically that you are connected with the friends, you depend on them, they depend on you, you are as one and inside of this one you are discovering the upper force.
S. But how to sustain that when we're not together. We're talking about feeling the connection?
R. When you're not together you need to be together so it's clear too, then, what you should yearn for.
S. To feel them the same as when I'm not with them?
R. What do you mean not with them or with them, physically?
S. When we are in the zoom meeting or connected in the lesson like now we feel each other?
R. Because you are in the zoom?
S. Because we feel each other, we talk, we work together.
R. So this is how you need to feel the whole group even in a state where you're not in some communication meeting?
S. How because it feels like a truck driving into you when you go into the external world, you forget everything.
R. So you need to do such exercises like athletes who do exercises and they put on themselves all kinds of things that hinder them and doing whatever they need to do and they nevertheless try and try, that's the matter of practicing.
9. S. (22:07) When you try to imagine to yourself the future state of love and connection, images from the past come when you lived with your family and everyone loved you and you loved everyone. Is there a connection?
R. There's no connection, there's no relation between this and that. No connection. You can take some examples from that but it's actually unrelated, there is no connection.
10. S. (22:52) The desired state is advanced in the path but every day the evil inclination overcomes a person so how can I move forward?
R. Advance on top of the new evil inclination which is renewed each and every day in order for us to advance each and every day above it.
11. S. (23:26) What is this feeling of I want to bestow? Is it the feeling of wanting to bring pleasure to everyone? What kind of feeling do I have?
R. The feeling that in the connection with the friends, I'm giving contentment to the Creator. I have no possibility to do anything good for the Creator, but only when I connect with the friend. That's it and then as a result of that, in the correct action, my correct connection with the friend, I feel the presence of the Creator, eventually I should feel that.
12. S. (24:26) Does the ten help me to reach a single view of what the desirable state is and to collectively together describe the desirable state?
R. The fact that the ten should be in both states, that is clear. If it's not two states then we're not even aimed towards the Creator, towards spirituality. It has to be two states, the present state and the future state that we wish to come closer to, closer to the Creator. Then the connection between these two states, what we have right now, the existing state, and what we will have in our next desirable state. That there, we will be more connected between us and then the Creator will be revealed between us accordingly. That's it. Now we're just 10 let's say individual bodies, that is the existing state and the desirable state is that we will be ten desires that complement each other and they are connected between them in order to discover between them their common source and their common goal. This is how we should depict that state.
13. S. (26:22) You yearn for the connection with the friends and annulment and you get more corporeal lusts so how now in the lesson to make to do this exercise where we yearn for the highest state, the desirable state?
R. Here, what we need is for the group to be constantly in this knowledge of thinking in the fact that we are only connected with the Creator. The Creator is dressing in all of the friends and all of the things that might disturb us and then all of the things that can help us and he is operating from both sides. There is none else besides Him and this is why I should relate to each and everything around me, that it is all the appearance of the Creator before me. I have to reach him, to relate to him as to a hiding God. That's it, it's work, it's that work that I am constantly searching to detect him, to relate to him correctly and nicely but it is constantly revealed more and more.
S. How to correctly imagine that state?
R. iI the existing state and in the desirable state it is all there is none else besides Him, he is arranging everything for us and also as we walk between them.
14. S. (28:11) You said that we need to aspire to reach the desirable state, so from where can we get this yearning? Is it something I do personally or is it the whole ten together?
R. You have to talk to the ten to detect what is the desirable state, even the existing state, we also need to detect it in the ten. What is the state exactly? What is the Creator establishing in us right now? What are we lacking in that state in order to reach the next spiritual state on the path?
15. S. (29:33) How to determine what our true desires are and to separate them?
R. I don't think there is a difference between the true desires or the untrue desires or some others. We simply need to advance all the time towards connection and then by that and that we will detect all the different things. We have a single principle, be as one man in one heart as much as possible and then along the way we scrutinize everything. Connection, the more progressive, advanced connection between us, arranges for us, everything.
16. S. (30:37) Everyday many tens from all over the world go into zoom meetings so is it good to have one shared prayer for all of them, will that be helpful?
R. Well maybe we will reach that soon I understand you may be we will reach that.
S. I'm saying it because of the existing state, it's deteriorating in Israel, in all of the world so that's why I'm asking. Maybe we Bnei Baruch with our collective prayer we have the power to do something?
R. That is something else already from what we've been talking about and it is desirable, yes to pray that it will be good for the whole world for the whole of humanity but for that we need to be united, connected. So that we will have a single spiritual force, a connection with the Creator that it will be possible to do that just like that to just say words and then without connection between us. We will be lying to ourselves as if we are in a nice beautiful state and we are praying for everyone and we will think that now we deserve some reward because of that. I must first of all, in order to reach a state where I'm praying for humanity to bring them to the desirable state first of all we need to detect that the state that humanity is in, the state that humanity is in, the existing situation is such because it is actually me establishing it, because of me, humanity is suffering. Then my prayer will be a complete prayer that I am praying for them and not for myself. I'm asking only for them I'm asking for a connection with the Creator and only for them I'm asking from him. That is we need to arrange the prayer for the time being we're not yet capable of reaching that. Hopefully we will reach it quickly.
17. S. (33:30) How exactly between the existing and the desirable does a prayer come up?
R. Again?
S. Between the existing and the desirable how does the prayer come?
R. Well from these two states where I am and where I want to be, the difference between them that is already a prayer but if I do it with my work to connect in the 10 and we turn to the Creator, that common force between us that exist in the center of our connection and we asked of him. Then this prayer already becomes an action, a practical action truly that we wanted to happen and this way with our desires with the egoistic desires that we want to rise above them and connect them and to text him between us so then our action, our prayer becomes an action.
18. S. (34:35) How with other groups, do we scrutinize our existing state? We can only speak from personal feelings so what can we say?
R. Why from his individual feeling we need to reach a mutually shared feeling that we are all connected, that we all want our connection to be such a connection that we will have a desire that is as one, of course it is not one but as one. A goal that is like one and that we want to advance towards at first in our connection that now we are not sufficiently connected and we want to be more connected until when? Until we will discover between us that common force of the Creator. That we will discover our root, very simple.
19. S. (35:49) What is the prayer that brings the 10 to the desirable state in the path of Achishena, hastening?
R. It is a prayer that we arrange by ourselves in order to ask of the Creator for the force of connection between us so that in that force of connection between us he will be revealed as a never ending source who is bringing us to an even greater connection, an even stronger connection, more tight and in it we want to discover him. What does it mean to discover him? The force of bestowal, the force of love, the force of connection and by that everything changes. That's one thing. The second thing, disconnect your microphone from all kinds of other influences. We want to hear what you are seeing saying and not what's going on around you.
20. S. (37:06) The more I believe the source texts the more it becomes easy for me to connect with the friends, to act.
R. Yes, we need to play and act that we are connected constantly, playing that this is considered advancing towards the desirable state. This is our game. This is our exercise.
21. S. (37:40) You talked about prayer. Is prayer something that's dynamic, that changes?
R. It constantly changes according to how much you are detecting the existing and the desirable, the existing and the desirable, in between these two, you connect the two of them through the prayer?
S. And what about the prayer of the 10 does it need to be something uniform or are we all together preparing it?
R. Yes, you should be talking about it and detect states that exist in the desirable and pray over that. The prayer is only in the 10.
S. So that also needs to be dynamic in our 10 right?
R. Well, it cannot be not dynamic. I don't understand these questions. Constantly, each and every person changes. The 10 always changes. It is in motion, dynamic changes between them constantly changing their connection and accordingly that has to each and everyone and everyone together. They have, you know it's like on a ship, we have 10 people there and each one has a certain role and they know where they need to reach and they know what state they're in and then they carry out all kinds of actions in order to reach all in all, with that ship, a Partzuf, to reach a new state.
22. S. (39:22) When concealment comes to the connection with the friends, do we need to yearn or to imagine the previous connection we had or do we didn't imagine a stronger connection?
R. You have to know precisely what state you're in as much as possible and what state you want to reach, in between these two states, you advance, like anything in life.
S. But the state we want to achieve, can it go through the previous connection we had?
R. Well through the previous connection, where we are right now, we are moving towards the next connection.
S. So the previous connection is considered looking back?
R. It's not looking back, you're in that so rather, what state are you in.
S. There is concealment, we are not in that state any more.
R. I don’t understand, what does it mean, the existing state.
S. Yes, but there's the existing state where you feel the connection with the friend and there's the existing state where you don't feel the connection with a friend?
R. I don't know about all these states. I know what I have right now and what I should reach, that's it to a point, not a thousand different points.
23. S. (40:54) Do we need to imagine to ourselves that we are in the desirable state and to thank the Creator?
R. We should try to reach the desirable state. We can depict to ourselves all kinds of means in order to feel ourselves in a desirable state and this is actually our work and to always imagine, advance towards it as much as possible. In the place where a person's thoughts are, that is where a person is. There are many verses about this. Only in such a way we can advance and not become confused about the state that I have, I had less, more, there is the present state and the next state to which I want to reach. What does it mean, the next state? More and more connected with the friends, more ready to bestow to them, to annul myself. That's it. It's a more spiritual state. This is what I need you to depict to myself what I had before me and towards that state I have to sail.
24. S. (42:26) Are we going to reach constant bestowal in our ego in the 10?
R. Constant bestowal in the 10 we cannot reach that but only at the end of correction. Each time it will change less or more, more or less. We cannot reach something that is constant, something that is constant means it's dead. The highest spiritual state, if it doesn't change, it’s dead. Except for the end of correction, there we discover the entire upper light and the corrected vessel.
25. S. (43:30) So how to correctly use faith in the Sages every moment in the 10?
R. What the Kabbalists depict to us, describe to us, what does it mean this spiritual world, spiritual state, accordingly we should try to depict that state and to yearn for it more.
26. S. (44:11) Is thinking about the music of Baal HaSulam a correct way to get to feel the upper worlds?
R. No, that is not sufficient, it is also good, but it's not enough.
27. S. (44:34) Maybe we can scrutinize it, yesterday we said that it's very important every few hours to connect and talk about the state that we're in. Today, you told a few tens that we need to talk about the desirable state or is that personal to each one or individual?
R. No it's not individual for each 10. It's just simply better if we discuss the desirable state, that which we need to reach and not the state we're in now. You can mention where we are now but it's better if it's clear to us what we need to achieve, where we need to get, that's what I always need to have in front of me.
S. Another question? Some of the friends when we speak about the desirable state, they speak about corporeal aspects?
R. That's completely unrelated to our work.
28. S. (45:46) Sometimes we ask for a friend for certain states. How can we pray correctly so that we don't fall into our egoism?
R. That's if you do it together with all of the other friends, then it's practically certain that you will emerge from your ego. If you altogether pray for a certain friend.
29. S. (46:27) To reach the desirable state is it necessary to do it only together in the 10?
R. Otherwise it's not desirable in spirituality.
S. Everyone should reach a very precise definition and to agree on it?
R. Yes, clearly that's how it should be in front of us like that if we all want to walk the path otherwise it's not the spiritual path. Clear yes?
30. S. (47:09) What does it mean to talk about the existing state? About the undesirable, that's clear, this is the common state we want to reach but the existing state seems to be personal, individual, how can we talk about it?
R. We gathered here to establish a foundation for a spiritual society, to advance, to remind us what we're here for, who we are, what we are and even though we have not yet attained the goal, it is ahead of us and we do want to achieve it. That's why we're here, it's the point from which we advance because otherwise we have no common foundation, direction, and goal. Now what's the common goal? What's the next desirable state? We need to locate it, to find it so it's clear to everyone and then to think about it and to try to establish it between us.
S. So the existing state is not to talk about what I personally feel right now but rather what's common?
R. Yes, don’t go into that because the egoistic state is egoistic, no need to delve into that, it's correct, you asked properly.
31. S. (48:35) The existing state while we're in it but, is it revealed as evil specifically because we’re yearning for the desirable state because we need to get out of the existing state. The despair is built specifically out of the feeling of the existing state and we yearn for the desirable state?
R. It's maybe we can do that also but it's better if we yearn for the good state where we are connected, where one's thoughts are there he is so it's better for us to yearn for the desirable states. Just thought. The existing states find that we are still in the corrupted state.
S. Okay that was the question? Thank you.
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32. S. What is the right connection with the friends?
R. The connection between the friends is such that we always discover in the connection between us what we need to add to the connection so that we are always in an increasing connection until we come to the revelation of the Creator inside the connection, and the Creator is revealed more and more every time according to how we complete the connection between us.
33. S. (53:13) The transition of acting between the existing state and the desirable state?
R. The fact that we're now in the existing state where we don't have sufficient connection between us and the fact that the Creator isn't revealed between us and then we have the state where we want to be connected together in asking the Creator to help us be connected and in that way we bestow upon each other with our wills, our intentions and each one helps his friend, so that the Creator helps us connect together and truly hears the outcries from our hearts to be connected and so as to make room for him to be revealed and not for our own sake but in order to give contentment to him.
34. S. (54:23) Let's say that the existing, in the existing state let's say I'm in the lesson right now I'm tired, I don't manage to connect or listen or do anything that is the existing state. The desired state is to be in the lesson as I should be with my friends. What is the truth here, in the existing state, in the desirable state?
R. The truth is the state in which you are and what you want only to sleep, that's your truth but it's not spiritual truth. Spiritual truth, you need to find above your beastly, corporeal bodily state but you have no desires no intentions no connections with the friends, that you cannot support them and so on and so forth. That is your spiritual truth, yes, actually and then you pray. If you have the ability if you have the strength.
S. My beastly mind constantly disturbs me, hinders me, I justify myself, what's the best advice for it not to hinder me?
R. There's no such thing that it won't hinder you, you are in the ten so you have to work, you cannot say today I'm not present, write me off. From the 10 there's no such thing. If we connect together according to the advice of the Kabbalists then we are registered like that, we are listed as parts of that vessel that needs to be revealed for the revelation of the Creator and you cannot run from it. The fact that you're not there in practice, then it's written down, registered that you're not there in practice.
35. S. (56:22) I hope you can hear me well. He writes that faith should be like knowledge, I thought it was the opposite, can you explain it?
R. We need to reach a state where there's absolutely no difference between knowledge and faith. We will discuss it, it's not for now. We will get confused if we start talking about it now. It's still early because what does it mean for us to be in faith? It seems to us that faith is kind of a game, something that's unreal. While knowing, knowledge is what is happening right now between us, what's revealed but again this is all depicted within our will to receive and if we change our will to receive, by that we are actually changing reality. Soon we will get to that in practice.
S. Can we say that in the initial stage knowing follows the faith and then it's the opposite?
R. I don't want to answer that. If for the time being you want to play around with that that way then go ahead but I don't want to. It's just an opening for confusion.
36. S. (58:09) How can we connect the love of friends between the existing and the desirable?
R. In both, we need to be in love with friends but certainly in the existing state, it's a limited kind of love of friends and in the desirable state, that's whatever I can imagine to myself as the perfect form.
37. S. (58:37) Is it true to ask, of the Creator that he will erase, that he will take away the existing state and replace it with the desirable state?
R. No. That cannot be. How can you ask for something, about something that the Creator created even though the state seems to you very unpleasant, very bad, not nice, how can you erase something from reality? First of all, you can't. But second, you can't ask for that either because everything that the Creator created, if you ask him to erase it, it's a sign that you think that there are things that he created for no reason.
S. I want to move to a new state. I don't want the present state anymore.
R. Then you transition from state-to-state, you transition from one state to another but it's not that you erase them. There's no such thing to erase. You need to come to the end of correction with all these degrees, all these states.
S. So where do I keep the existing state?
R. Don't worry. It's kept, it's saved. There's a warehouse where everything that you went through is stored so don't worry, don't be afraid that you'll have to be ashamed about all these things, it will all be sorted out. You just go forward. Towards the desirable.
38. S. (01:00:23) Is the desirable state, a state that I want to reach, is it a state of annulment or restriction, Katnut or is it a state of Gadlut, expansion?
R. It depends on what you want.
S. To reach equivalence with the Creator.
R. So we imagine that. Why are you adding all sorts of different definitions?
S. Sometimes we learn we need to be an embryo, small and sometimes we need to be great, what is the final true existing state?
R. Adhesion...the end of correction.
39. S. (01:01:04) How to reach a picture, a clear picture and a stable picture of the desirable state so that I don't run away from it, I don't get confused?
R. If it will constantly change the desirable state because you need to determine it in the 10 between everyone and then it's more stable it's more clear and it's more well-established before you, well-formed. You need to come to a state where you know what the next stage is, what the next degree is but the next state is that you will need to yearn for. You don't need to discuss it to determine it together and then for a time or spend some time yearning for that and if the state passed and it's all obscured and it disappeared then again you need to determine together what is the desirable state and so you advance. Always when you speak about the desirable states, you also need to speak about the current existing state. Otherwise you won't have a direction in which to evolve and you need to advance from this state to the next, you determine the degrees you climb like that.
40. S. (01:02:50) Which help is the Creator giving us in this process to establish ourselves better as a 10?
R. It gives us the opportunity, the ability to pray, to unite, around the prayer, and so to be adhered to him. Through prayer, we adhere to him already. It doesn't matter if we don't discover him and if we're incapable of doing anything. That way we are already in contact with him, moving in his direction.
41. S. (01:03:45) The existing state, the present state, is considered as false if we say that the Creator is revealed but if we stay the Creator is concealed, that the existing state is true?
R. It doesn't matter if it's concealed or revealed, we always need to yearn for a connection between us until we discover him in order to bestow contentment upon him. The fact that the Creator is revealed, that would be a sign that we've achieved a connection between us and, by that, would give him contentment.
42. S. (01:04:35) We started from the actual state and we are going to the desirable state but in between there is our effort. This effort united those two realities and transformed them into a new reality. This is what I wanted to say, what we have now is not another reality itself?
R. There's never a reality which is a reality unto itself. It's always what we describe. We can describe the spiritual reality and vision it only when we're connected and then in the connection between us we reveal the spiritual reality and there's no such thing where we discover spirituality without the vessel. You need a vessel for it, a place where He can be revealed, vessels are what we need. The light is in complete rest.
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43. S. The gap between the existing and the desirable, this is actually called the recognition of evil?
R. Yes.
S. How can there be one prayer in the 10 if each one is in a different recognition of evil?
R. There cannot be a single prayer. It includes the lacks of each and every one which altogether connect into the desirable state. They establish the desirable state and in a desirable state each one imagines to himself even though you have the same words or similar each one still imagines sees a different state from the others in his heart. We cannot even compare them. That's impossible. Each one is a system unto himself.
S. So the desirable state that's clear even though it's foggy, we don't understand it but you also said today you need to talk about the existing state as well meaning the ten sits together while we might be in connection, we might not some feel it some don't, we see some of us see as we are some do not so there's always a gap in the existing state?
R. It doesn't matter, there's something wrong yes? So, from that, you begin to move towards the desirable.
S. But not everyone sees it as wrong.
R. Look, we are like a ship at sea without determining where you are, in relation to some other point how can you say that you have direction? How? You must have two points in order to draw a line between them and to advance from the existing state to the desirable, that which comes next. How, otherwise?
S. Yes, but the existing state, it's the recognition of evil inside a person and it's different inside of each one don't understand otherwise you don't know where you are you are so in faith.
R. No, the existing is a lack of connection between us in the current state, that's the existing state. I don't know whether the recognition of evil is. We measure ourselves only in relation to a single criterion, the connection between us that's all.
S. Can I give an example let's say we agreed we were going to come on time to the preparation...
R. That's one man in one heart, that's all, that's the criteria. Now you can start delving deeper into that and start to see what it is, even, what it is and otherwise you're in a state where you are determining the discernments.
44. S. (01:11:55) When we speak about the existing and the desirable state, well, the existing that's quite clear but the desirable state is the state that the Kabbalists describe to us, especially where Rabash in his article?
R. Yes of course.
S. So why should the 10 sit and speak about the desirable state? Isn't it better if they focus on Rabash's articles and from them they will absorb the desirable state?
R. Yes, you can actually read some appropriate article and derive from it to the best of their understanding, their desirable state which the Kabbalists described, yes.
S. Now we read about the desirable state in the text of the Kabbalists let's say Rabash’s articles and we want to be as much as possible in that state so that we will as a ten feel or will get closer to the state that Rabash described.
R. Yes, you're right.
45. S. (01:13:09) If I understood correctly how it works the desirable state today becomes the existing state and then there is a new desirable state until the end of correction, is this how the mechanism works?
R. Yes, in the best-case scenario if we don't make a mistake on the path.
S. How do we know if we're mistaken or not?
R. Try first to make a mistake and then we will see.
46. S. (01:13:45) If I see the future state as correct, I want to demand from the friends that they will come to that state as well. How do I work correctly for the state to demand for the friends all kinds of actions how to demand correctly?
R. We all connect, we all discuss the existing and desirable state and how we can come to what we all desire which is as was said before you, just now, the existing state is clear to us but the desirable state we need to determine what it is according to the writings of the Kabbalists and then if we accept what Rabash writes about the states we have along the way, on the path then it is clear with greater connection and greater closeness between us is needed until in that we discover the Creator. The more we come together, closer to each other the desire will grow, the more we grow closer the upper light will be felt as existing between us and we will advance. This is very practical work, you are asking questions which there is nothing to ask you anymore you just need to see from your work.
47. S. (01:15:32) When we depict to ourselves this state what else do we need, when we depict the upper state do we measure it on ourselves whether I'm yearning for it or not whether I really want it or not?
R. We need to determine together what we want, the whole group and then I receive from the group some guidance for that day and that is how we need to constantly move towards the goal that we got.