We are here, the women's team that was built especially for the women congress. We have women from women's organization, we have Osnat who is a content lady and of course we have Shelley who is a leading content woman here with us. We've been working on the content of the congress on a daily basis for the last week and a half and you've approved the name: “Realizing the dream together”. so we would like to ask you a few questions.
As Tahel said the name is “Realizing the dream together, this name gives a feeling as if it's something very big that we want you are longing for, of a longing that is built for many years in many women and in all of us, We would like to ask how to reach state in this congress that not each one will have her own personal dream.of how she real imagines the realization but to connect all these personal dreams into one dream this voice
Rav: Which is?
Sigal: Which is, is also a question. What is the dream? Each one… maybe, we were talking between us, what does each one is dreaming about? Does she want to come into spirituality? Does she wants a beautiful world? each one and how she perceives this.
Rav:
What
is
the
goal?
Sigal:
Are
you
asking
about
the
goal
of
the
Congress?
Rav:
Yes.
Sigal:
That's
something
we
really
wanted
to
ask
you.What
is
the
uniqueness….
Rav: So you throw all these questions at me? I am left without any answer
Tahel: more connection between women please Shelley.
Shelley: From what we felt the goal of the congress in its practical way is to rich common prayer to be able to connect all the efforts all the dreams all the desires everything that the woman has in her into a one desire into one vessel truly to do it in the congress and during the congress constantly discern what is the near step that is close to us what is that next step
Rav: we constantly study this is for a sake to reach for her sake we have nothing more to talk about nothing more to yearn for and what we want to see ourselves in is eventually to reach for her sake
Shelly: For her sake is our closest step for the women's group?
Rav
:
It
is
the
closest
to
all
of
us
and
only
that.
Shelly:
And
what
is
in
practise
the
most
practical
step
that
we
could
do
we
must
do?
Rav:
I
would
say
connection
how
do
we
reach
salvation?
and
that
that
we
are
see
these
things
correctly
with
you
this
things
correctly
in
order
to
be
stole
is
what
we
need
to
acquire
and
in
that
refused
The
Creator
and
ourselves
with
him
together
Shelly:
at
the
moment
what
do
you
say
the
woman's
group
is
missing
what
would
you
like
doing
this
congress
to
put
pressure
on
the
disk
is
the
point
that
demands
for
realization
the
most
Rav:To put into each and every woman this knowledge the to reach for her sake he's the clothes the nearest and the furthest go and in general
Norma: So in relation to that we have all the conditions to attain spirituality so what's preventing us from connecting and to rise to the new degree
Rav: Preventing us is that we don't understand how important this is.
Shelly: In order to come into for her sake do we need to try to visualize it, to activate the imagination, the heart, how do we use these tools?
Rav:
The
heart,
the
mind
to
activate
it
in
order
to
depict
to
ourselves,
what
does
it
mean
to
be
living
in
the
state
of
for
her
sake,
in
order
to
bestow,
in
connection,
in
love,
in
devotion.
of
all
of
us
in
this
state
of
for
her
sake.
Lena:
You
are
saying
in
this
congress
we
can
truly
imaginate
all
of
us
together
what
is
that
degree
to
do
workshops
together
Rav: This we need to do it yes this is something we need to describe to everyone what is the matter of her sake why is our state nowadays called not for her sake and what to do in order to transition for to move ourselves from the state of not heard back to the state of first take
Shelly: What is the special tool that a woman has that will advance her quicker to the state of for her sake that she needs to acknowledge.
Rav: To talk about the state of her sake as much as possible to depict to ourselves, all of us, what does it mean to be in the state of for her sake that it is bestowal that it is in order to connect that it is in order for you to talk to the Creator from our connection.
Shelly: From where can we draw some sort of an inspiration, an example of how the reality in the state of for her sake looks like?
Rav: By us talking about it, it will be clearer for us, what does it mean to be in this reality of for her sake.
Tahel: We are obviously talking about something which is very internal but we are in a very special period in the world what is the importance of such a congress and if we will do the internal work of forsaken such a congress what could it be it's influence on the whole world
Rav:
The
influence
should
be
as
great
as
possible
as
wide
as
possible
because
only
on
this
topic
we
can
make
a
change
in
the
reality
in
the
world
by
ourselves
from
inside
of
us
Sigal:
How
to
take
this
opportunity
that
all
the
women's
tens
in
the
world
and
the
whole
woman
vessel,
how
to
take
this
opportunity
that
we
have
the
time
for
the
preparation
until
the
congress,
how
can
we
take
all
the
things
that
you
are
saying
here
that
it'll
burn
in
us.
We
are
all
in
the
morning
lesson,
we
go
over
it,
we
talk
about
it
but
there
is
some
sort
of
power
that
we
need
to
tighten
even
more.
Is
it
only
by
talking
between
ourselves?
how
to
intensify
this
point,
this
understanding?
Rav:
This
is
in
a
conversation
between
you.
to
the
extent
that
I
will
talk
about
it,
it
will
not
be
enough.
But
when
you
give
each
other
examples,
by
that
we
will
all
succeed.
we
will
all
come
into
the
expectation
of
for
her
sake.
To
the
extent
that
this
state
would
be
depicted
in
us
as
a
living
state,
that
we
need
to
live
in
it.
that
in
all
of
our
strength
to
try
to
help
each
other.
All
of
us
together
to
come
out
of
not
for
her
sake
to
for
her
sake
Sigal:In
a
person
there
is
always
this
point
that
says:
later
or
some
sort
of
a
doubt
that
sometimes
that
it
sounds
like
a
great
thing
however
lately
everytime
you
speak
it
is
felt
as
if
it
is
reachable,
close
to
us,
that
this
is
next
in
line
and
that
there
is
nothing
else
in
line
at
the
moment
Rav: correct
Sigal:The question is how to get
Rav: to bring it closer, how to bring it closer to the heart of the woman. I think that it is by constantly talking about it, constantly chewing it until it will be absorbed in us more and more from all kinds of words, sentences, half sentences and so forth. This thing is hard to digest.
Sigal: If you were describing it as something like lollipop that you give to a child that it's this sweet taste that we would want it how would you describe it to us
Rav:
That's
by
us
achieving
for
her
sake
we
start
to
taste
the
upper
world,
the
spiritual
world,
the
spiritual
reality.
that
we
begin
to
feel
ourselves
in
the
upper
world.
Norma:
How
do
you
see
that
the
congress
can
help
all
of
us
come
to
this
urgency,
because
it
seems
that
there
is
a
very
dedicated
woman
vessel
to
the
path.
How
can
we
feel
on
the
flesh
that
there
is
no
time
to
wait
that
it
needs
to
be
today,
now
and
how
can
the
congress
help
us
in
that?
Rav: From the first lesson of the wisdom of Kabbalah and until the end of correction this topic of coming out from not for her sake to for her sake is the only topic, there isn't more than that.
Norma: how to practically realize this and how can this special event can help us to reach this understanding and to this internal demand?
Rav: That we are all the time talking only on that. Not to leave this topic ever.
Sigal: Many times that I heard you say that there is a very strong potential and force in the women's group that when it does one step it affects the whole BB group
Rav:
Yes,
I
also
talked
about
that.
that
all
the
women
need
to
be
also
ready
to
be
in
this
direction
to
advance
from
not
for
her
sake
to
for
her
sake,
to
advance
from
in
order
to
receive
to
in
order
to
bestow,
from
separation
to
connection.
Shelly:
It
sounds
like
you
are
attributing
a
lot
of
force
and
importance
to
speaking.
That
we
should
speak
about
it.
why?
What
is
it
about
speaking?
Rav:
It
is
important
to
men
and
even
more
important
to
women.
That
we
hear
every
time
how
much
it
is
important
for
us
to
reach
for
her
sake
and
then
we
are
all
impressed
by
it
more
and
more,
whether
we
want
to
or
we
don't.
This
is
how
we
are
being
educated.
In
the
meantime
I
see
that
these
words
are
pretty
dry
and
they
don't
reach
our
hearts.
Shelly:
So
how
do
we
truly
make
them
more
moist,
closer,
more
exciting?
Rav:
Well
you
tell
me.
I
think
that
it
is
by
talking,
that
each
time
more
and
more
and
more
we
are
connecting
to
these
definitions.
Lena:
We
even
thought
of
doing
some
sort
of
a
game.
Can
that
help?
a
game
where
you
imagine
or
you
act
the
next
degree.
Rav: Yes of course you can.
Sigal: Is there a critical point that all the efforts and everything that we will talk about that then something happens or is it some sort of a process, that you come into for her sake?
Rav:
It
is
a
process,
that
we
are
coming
closer.
Initially
it
looks
unreal
what
are
these
dry
words
not
for
her
sake
for
her
sake.
However
later
more
and
more
it
is
clear
to
us
that
we
begin
to
see
behind
these
words
the
two
forms
of
reality:
in
order
to
receive
or
in
order
to
bestow
and
this
is
how
we
are
coming
closer.
Sigal:
And
also
in
fact
I
can
think
about
it
to
hear
the
friends
speak
but
all
of
the
time
I
think
about
it
that
there
is
a
total
mutual
dependency
that
we
are
depending
on
each
other
and
no
one
will
advance
a
centimeter
if
he
won't
be
concerned
about
his
friends.
Rav: Correct.
Sigal: So how… I don't even know how to ask the question, that it is the importance of the understanding that first of all there is mutual dependency that I can’t come in to this alone, nobody can come in by himself
Rav:
correct
Sigal:
How
much
it
is
important
that…
What
do
I
need
to
want
for
my
friends
exactly?
What
is
this
mutual
dependency?
Rav: That we will learn from each other and to the extent that we can bestow upon each other, to this extent we will advance. The main thing is that the person will see that he has to be wrapped with friends and that is the only way to advance.
Shelly: With women, I don't know how it is with men, with women there are very big gaps in the 10 in relation to the goal, in the free time they have, in the family state and it can give a bit of a feeling of helplessness in relation to this mutual dependency that Sigal was talking about .What is the correct way to relate to this into believing that it doesn't matter how I see the friends or it doesn't matter that we're all in different status but we will give each other whatever the other needs in order to reach for her sake.
Rav: We need to talk about it more, we need to depict to ourselves this state of for her sake and in that way, out of the habit, out of imagining this. This is how we will attain it.
Sigal: What would you like that will happen in this congress that the women are gathering and all this preparation and everything that we talked about now that we will publish workshops, we will try like you suggested to talk a lot. What do you expect that will happen?
Rav: I expect that women would give an example, how to come out of not for her sake to for her sake because it is written that only thanks to righteous women Israel came out of Egypt This is exactly what we are talking about to come out of not for her sake to for her sake.
Tahel: Gilad would you like to ask the question
Rav:
Who?
me?
Gilad:
No
no
I
am
enjoying
every
moment.
Tahel: Maybe Gilad would like to ask a question Rav.
Gilad: There was a question: what would the men do during the women congress? I think the best thing is that they will sit and watch it.
Rav: They will learn, they will learn from them. What does the sentence say: thanks to righteous women Israel, men, that is, came out of Egypt. Well, we are expecting for this to happen.
Lena: In such a congress of 2 hours can we only come closer to the goal or can we actually break through some sort of a feeling of complacency
Rav: It all depends how you organize this. To light up everyone to raise from not for her sale to for her sake is possible.
Sigal: Do the men depend on saying the example from the women? can they not do it without an example from the women?
Rav: To the extent that they cannot believe in it, they are depending on it.
Tahle: is our next degree, with everything we said, is that the woman does that small olive compared to what she did before in the understanding and in the importance of that tiny little thing she added in corporeality and to everything else that happens around and everything that she gives. This addition together is already giving us some sort of a change which is kind of a small big change?
Rav: Yes, yes. Well, Norma wanted to ask all the time.
Norma: Question, yes. With what feeling should we as women come out of the Congress?
Rav: With the feeling of for her sake. That all our lives are to what extent that we can bestow upon each other… and in that we correct the world. The woman is at fault that the world is so acoustical and broken she was the one that caused the sin. Why are you quiet?
Norma: because upon us is the responsibility for… according to what you are saying…
Rav: Correct, correct. That is what is written in the Torah, so please do it. The poor men followed the woman and she brought them to the sin and now she needs to take them out of this sin. okay?
Norma: We will do the job, but the man can also fall into complacency…
Rav: What complacency I feel like crying when I talk about such things, what women caused the world…
Shelly: How does a group of women who comes to for her sake influence the world?
Rav: It influences the world in a cardinal way, how to say it? in a total way, truly. Like we see now nevertheless after all it is hidden but it needs to be revealed to what extent the women are in charge of what is happening in the world.
Sigal: I just want it to be sharp and clear the mean to come out to for her sake is through love of friends. Is that the only mean?
Rav: through love of friends and through working on partners. Truly so, to pressure to pressure on your husbands in order to bring them into mutual bestowal, for her sake. That behind each man stands a woman and obligates him to do the correction.
Sigal: That means encourage him towards love of friends? That is the meaning?
Rav: Yes, in everything similarly when you take a small child, your son to school, to everywhere you bring him and talk to him what does he need to do, how to behave the same thing you need to do with your man. Okay?
Lena: We also have a half an hour lesson with you at the beginning of the congress so that it will be as early as possible. So how do you see this half an hour?
Rav: That women are waking up, raising, getting up from the descent, the fall, the wickness, frustration and begin to work. During all of this egoistic history the woman was hidden in the human society. She needs to get out and actively work and draw behind her all of humanity. Similarly to a family where the woman does everything and runs the household and everything depends on her and if she doesn't do it then the house is neglected and the man doesn’t know what to do in his life in the same way it needs to be in the entire world’s household.
Shelly: What is the psychological change that the woman needs to do in order to understand how much she is critical to the correction and like you say to come out of all the frustrations, all of this marching in the same place and to act?
Rav: So what is the problem?
Shelly: It is like it's a conceptual change that doesn’t yet exist within women, how do you make this twist so that they will truly feel the responsibility?
Rav: Because they are comfortable. They are comfortable that the men are… the world was created because the sin of the tree of knowledge, the world became manly, the world became that it stands on the male force, on the force of the arm, the force of the arm and here we need to understand that this have to be in a different way. Women need to understand that now is their time, that they will participate in building the new world, if that doesn't happen we will go into world war.
Norma: so we need to understand, to feel is more correct to say, not only to understand not only in the brain, that we are depending on each other
Rav: You are depending on each other, you are depending on everything that happens in the world and YOU CAN, you can change the order. The woman needs to be greater and the world needs to exist for the Nukva. Nukva surrounds the male.
Sigal: I actually.. You said here, very sharp things, that I have the feeling that all the society needs to hear this conversation. Men and women, there are very important things here that are essential and substantial…
Gilad: I have notified everyone that we will send them the link.
Sigal: Thank you Gilad.
Gilad: It is simply felt, yes.
Rav: The role of the woman is to correct the world. Yes, in for her sake. And there is about it many saying many sources, how much it is important. It all begins from: hear what Sarah tells you, and then everything that goes with Avraham it goes according to what Sarah dictates the correction.
Tahel: One moment, it is just that from what comes out here, is the name of the congress shouldn’t be “The role of the woman in correcting the world for her sake” instead of “Realizing the dream together”? What we came up with originally.
Rav: Yes, it's not together at all, it’s the role of the woman in correcting the world
Tahel: For her sake?
Rav: For her sake. Okay?
Shelly :In regards to study materials. Rav, do you prefer if we bring a few excerpts tp the talk with you? A few excerpts from the sources and you will relate to them?
Rav: Let it be like that. Of course we need excerpts from the sources. With Rabash we won't find many articles that practically speak about the woman. So what we have you need to dig it up.
Norma: How to bring this topic closer as it sounds so big? How to bring it closer to each one and to all of us together for the correction of the world?
Rav: To think, how do you make a new order in the world? That each and everyone starting from families to force the men, to say it out loud what needs to be, how does the world needs to be in order to bestow and so forth. That's it, Nukva revolves the male.
Sigal: I have a rude request, I apologize if it is out of place, because of what I have heard here and of what you said that you are crying from what you are seeing, maybe we need to do a lesson on Saturday or some other time, the entire society, and do workshops about it and to talk with the verses that it was all because of the sin…
Rav: Excellent, excellent I agree, bring the material, okay?
Sigal: Thank you, yes.
Rav: good luck all the best I hope I have elevated you a bit. Do not be afraid
Lena: a lot.
Rav: do not be afraid, come on, that's it. The men are waiting for it and expecting it truly. Each man inside is like a little child who waits for the mother to take him by the hand and to bring him to what needs to be this is every man. So stop acting this secondary role, it is you who needs to be the leader otherwise there is no point in doing this congress or anything else. Okay? Bye bye.