Conversations With Kabbalist Dr. Michael Laitman with his students

Conversations With Kabbalist Dr. Michael Laitman with his students

Epizoda 296|9. 5. 2026

The transcript has been transcribed and edited from English simultaneous interpretation, thus there may be potential semantic inaccuracies within it.

Daily Morning Lesson: May 17, 2026

Part 2: Conversations With Kabbalist Dr. Michael Laitman with his students.

Original lesson date: 05/09/2026

Reader: Now friends, we are in the lesson, which will be from the Talks on the Path. We will now hear a talk on the path, on the topic “Raising Our Connection to the Creator,” which took place a week ago on the date May 9, 2026. 

Student: (00:04) Today we started on this process about the head of the Ten, the leader of the Ten. We as the managing body sat today in the lesson and explained to everyone that each Ten needs to have a leader, which is replaced once a week. We talked about the importance of it, the role of that leader and how it's an inseparable part of the Ten. That component which he needs to be the lowest of everyone, annulling himself, and how the Ten builds the leader, the head. It's everything that we talked about. Now we implemented, so we did it first, and for us each one was already the leader, Shimon was the last one, and now I'm starting my second round as being the leader. So, now we brought the whole society into this, and everyone's pleased, the process is going well, and now the Ten, you have a weekly, it's a duty for a week, a whole week, and then the leader is rotated out. He has a few roles, the role in the Ten is to connect the Ten to the Creator, to push them towards connection, to feel the heaviness of it. The role of the other friends is to annul themselves before him, there's an exercise of annulment within here to elevate him, to regard him, and to give him the power to connect the Ten. Now if there are divisions, conflicts, there's someone in charge, he's the leader, he makes the decision, ultimately. Now we tried to all decide together, we saw that he should decide, we saw, we did this kind of round, and it was Shimon, then Akoka for a week, Ilan, Vlad, Mushi, I, and each one of us took a turn, and we feel that's the responsibility on our shoulders, we saw good things come from that. You just play at it.  “Make yourself a Rav,” “Buy yourself a friend” - these exercises are excellent.

M. Laitman: Yes, it's not simple.

Student: (02:04) It's nice, it's nice. People came as individuals to study the wisdom of Kabbalah. Gradually they turned into a group, and then from a group we turned into Tens. We had all kinds of Tens also. We see a process of growth here. Random Tens, Tens for a day, weekly Tens. Then we went through a process where we became permanent Tens, and also we replaced that after a few years, and gradually it stabilized until, well, now we have permanent, strong, set Tens who understand the order of things. Now we take another step, where each Ten has a leader of the Ten, which also is replaced in rotation. So we see how the Creator takes us through this process gradually, slow cooking, until we start receiving more discernments. It's like an embryo, an embryo within the womb, taking on various different forms until truly he becomes a person. And it's actually interesting. Maybe we can reach a state where we have a permanent leader, head of the Ten, or is this changing leaders? Is that the permanent form it should take? Or maybe we all feel that we need to have a permanent leader, someone who's just good for it, according to his qualities. He truly knows how to be the lowest of everyone, to annul himself before everyone, to connect everyone together, because he has these qualities. We gave him this power, but also by nature he has these qualities. Can it be? Or actually, maybe changing the leader continually is the best way? 

M. Laitman: The rotating leader or the rotating head, that is our work. 

Student: (03:47) Yes, we as a group, a Ten, the leader, it's essential, right? You need to have a head for a body, otherwise who are we? And each time we give that power to, well, it's a different friend, it's this kind of expression once a week. Is that more correct than having someone permanent?

M. Laitman: No, a permanent one is not good.

Student: Okay, so it's not good to have it permanent. Well, I thought it's interesting to get to know this force. It's really so...

M. Laitman: What force?

Student: The upper force.

M. Laitman: The upper force? Every day when you pray and ask for it.

Student: No, that's clear. I'm saying that it's interesting to come to know it. How He has so many qualities. His behavior is so odd to us that it's truly interesting to start to know His thoughts, to agree with Him, to understand Him, to discover Him, to know Him. To discover Him, yes, it's truly... It's written that there's no one closer to the person than the Creator.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And we constantly want to come to know Him. We want to reach Him, but He vanishes. 

M. Laitman: But the fact that you sit with others, with your Ten, and think about this, as you say, there is nothing higher. There is nothing higher.

Student: Why? Why is that the highest state? 

M. Laitman: Why is it called higher? Because this is a prayer that truly turns to the Creator. 

Student: When we sit in the Ten and talk about Him, about how to attain Him?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So if Ten people sit together and talk about how to attain the Creator?

M. Laitman: How to come closer in order to thank Him. So to attain Him means how to come closer in order to thank Him. 

Student: (06:10) So that state, there is no higher state in our world than that one?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And when we sit together in a meal, in the morning lesson, in the assembly of friends — the Ten sit together, we read excerpts, we scrutinize, we think about how to reach Him, that's the highest state we have between us?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: We meet all the time, every day, all that.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: And still, we don't feel how the Creator is between us. 

M. Laitman: Depict to yourself that you want to be together with everyone, and then turn to the Creator. And then you will see what happens here.

Student: So just to ask for a connection between us?

M. Laitman: Connection between us, and from within the connection between us, that we raise ourselves to the Creator.

Student: We really want to see the Creator, to be in contact with Him, between us and the Creator and everything. But I suppose we don't really have that connection between us, right? It's because of that?

M. Laitman: We want the connection between us in order to raise the connection between us. Meaning that it already exists, and we want to raise that to the Creator.

Student: So I suppose there's not sufficient, no sufficient connection between us?

M. Laitman: Not yet.

Student: Not yet. And what do we want to ask of the Creator? Do we want to ask anything, or do we want to adhere to Him?

M. Laitman: To adhere to Him is a very great thing.

Student: So what do we want from Him? What do we want from the Creator? We gather, we connect, because what? We are the will to receive, we want to receive His goodness, or what?

M. Laitman: We want to reveal the Creator, so that we will have the strength and the examination, the scrutiny to turn to Him.

Student: And so we lean towards Him, that's the purpose?

M. Laitman: Yes, that we’ll have the strength to turn to Him, and that this will be enough for us.

Student: (08:42) We want Him to clothe in us? Our goal is that He will clothe in our connection, that He will fill us? What do we ask of Him?

M. Laitman: You can also say that, but it's too much. It comes out too much.

Student: That we will bestow contentment upon Him through the connection between us, that we want it for Him?

M. Laitman: If you want to achieve connection between us, such that within it the common force that we direct to the Creator, and we want Him to help us, all adhere to Him together, right? That is what we want.

Student: And for this to give Him contentment?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So what I'm hearing is that the Creator is a very simple force, very simple. All He wants is for us to involve Him, to share with Him, to include Him in our actions, to remember Him, to turn to Him, to mention Him all the time. Is that it?

M. Laitman: That's it. Look at what's written in the Torah. Look at what is written in the Torah.

Student: So all the other things we say, it's difficult, it's complicated. It's all complications that we put there.

M. Laitman: Correct, correct.

Student: Other than requests and gratitude, are there any other kinds of connection with the Creator, or are those the two kinds of connection? 

M. Laitman: There are no others. 

Student: So either I ask something of Him, or I thank Him. That's it?

M. Laitman: Let's say so.

Student: And what sustains the adhesion, the adhesion between the Creator and the created being?

M. Laitman: You turning toward Him.

Student: So the request from the lower one maintains the adhesion?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: He stops asking, he stops thanking Him and then there's no connection?

M. Laitman: Yes, no connection.

Student: Which is higher, gratitude or request? Which is a higher state? What is a tighter connection? 

M. Laitman: Between a person and the Creator?

Student: Yes. 

M. Laitman: Request.

Student: Not gratitude, not gratitude?

M. Laitman: Gratitude is the condition in which a person feels that it lacks in him, that he lacks that.

Student: It seems like gratitude, when I received something, then I offer thanks?

M. Laitman: You received, meaning first you feel that you received, and then you turn to Him and thank Him.

Student: Okay, so what is the order? I feel a lack. Something, something disturbs me. I lack something, and then I turn to the Creator?

M. Laitman: If you have a deficiency to begin with.

Student: Yes, I turn to the Creator, and then what do I ask of Him? I ask of Him to feel His providence?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: For me to feel His reality's existence in my actions, and then I offer gratitude for that?

M. Laitman: That is already more advanced. 

Student: Do you have this text up that you wanted to read?

M. Laitman (Source Text/Commentary): (12:52) Prayer is work in the heart, meaning that since a person's heart is the will to receive by its root from the Creator apparently, and he must transform it so that he will be only in order to bestow and not to receive, it follows that he has great work to transform it, to invert the will to receive to be in order to bestow. And since it is against nature, therefore he must pray to the Creator to help him exit nature and enter the discernment of above nature. Okay?

Student: How can a Ten identify its next state, next stage? What is the next exercise that they should engage in? There are a thousand different actions. Certainly there is something proper for now, that we should focus on now, not something else. Where does the Ten get it from all of a sudden, this understanding that this is the right and proper thing for us to do as a Ten?

M. Laitman: I don't know. One must enter into this connection between the person and the gathering, the environment, and then when he feels that he is adhered from within himself to the gathering. To the Ten, then he can express himself, he can express himself what he thinks, what he feels.

Student: I wanted to ask, what is the connection between the Rav and the head of the Ten? Is there a connection? 

M. Laitman: The head of the Ten, it seems to me that this is the case. The head of the Ten, it seems to me, is the Ten itself. That the Ten chooses for itself a head, and this head needs to function according to that in which they chose him. That is all.

Student: I mean, the friends asked, they said, Why do we need to pick a head for the Ten? We have the Rav, we have Rav. We don't need a head for the Ten. He tells us what to do, and that's it. Why do I need another head? What to tell them?

M. Laitman: I don't know. There is a head of the Ten. There is a head of the group. There is someone responsible for various meetings. And each one should think about how clear all these names are to him.

Student: (17:06) So why do we need a head for the Ten if we have the head of the group? The head of the group is there; he'll tell everyone what to do. Why do we need another head for the Ten in the middle there? Why do we need another head if there is one head, the head of the group? 

M. Laitman: It doesn't seem so to me. 

Student: Why?

M. Laitman: Why? Because it's not always clear who is the head of the Ten and who is the head of the group. That's all. 

Student: So yes, there is room for it. It all depends on the moment, right? The head of the Ten is the person who knows best how to annul himself. Then we have the head of the group who annuls himself even more.

Student: When we say make for yourself a Rav, this principle, "make for yourself a Rav," is it true with respect to the head of the Ten as well? Make for yourself a head of the Ten, meaning elevating and annul before him? 

M. Laitman: It’s however it's accepted. 

Student: What does it mean, “make for yourself a Rav?”

M. Laitman: That is what Rabash writes.

Student: Yes. 

M. Laitman: Well?

Student: So, it's make for yourself one Rav? 

M. Laitman: One Rav.

Student: Okay, but here we're talking about the Rav of the group, the Rav of the Ten. So what does it mean, make for yourself a Rav? It's many Rabbis. 

M. Laitman: I don't understand it that way. 

Student: We have 800 Tens.

M. Laitman: 800?

Student: 800.

M. Laitman: Wow. 

Student: Many. Men and women. Now, each Ten has a head.

M. Laitman: A lot. 

Student: So the question is, there's a head for the group? The question is, is there room for many heads in each Ten and also a place for the head of the group? What is the connection between them?

M. Laitman: The connection between them, I don't know. But the head of the Ten is responsible for his Ten. The head of the group is already much higher.

Student: When Rabash says, make for yourself a Rav, and buy yourself a friend," does he mean, make yourself…Is the Rav the Creator? Is the Rav the Creator?

M. Laitman: I don't understand. 

Student: Rabash says, Make for Yourself a Rav. What does he mean by the word Rav?

M. Laitman: That you should have a person whom you accept as a head over you.

Student: And there can be more than one head?

M. Laitman: I think, yes.

Student: (20:20) Okay, so what are these two heads? As far as you're concerned, your head, your Rav is Rabash, right?

M. Laitman: You can say that.

Student: So why do you need more heads?

M. Laitman: I don't know. You need to decide and distribute this opinion among everyone and write it down before you, that this is called the head of the group, the head of the Ten. That's all.

Student: Rav, I want to ask, ever since Moses actually divided the people of Israel into Tens, and as Baal HaSulam writes there, they received the Torah and engaged in it a little bit, and then they fell, they descended, as he writes, that they started engaging in externality and this whole engagement dropped. They couldn't sustain this Arvut. And we see that over history they built the Temple, and all that ruins. Meaning, there's no mention of Tens. It completely disappeared, this whole engagement, this whole business of the Tens, as if it never existed. And it appears that we, for the first time in history since then, are now renewing that thing, is that correct? 

M. Laitman: Yes, yes. 

Student: Because there are no mentions, there was the people, I don't know, they had the sacrifices in the Temple. There was, of course, the Rabbi Shimon’s Ten, but that's something unique. In general, in history there was always, always a Rav, right? The Rav and the community, and that's it. The people of Israel historically, were not divided into Tens. And right now, it's something special. It's not only that we have 800 Tens, but these are Tens spread over the entire world, of different religions, different nationalities. Sometimes in the same Ten, you have people of different religions, certainly from different nationalities, men, women. So it's a process here, which we can't even grasp what stage we're at. Is that true? Am I thinking correctly?

M. Laitman: We are in a very special stage.