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Daily Lesson (Morning) November 20, 2024.

 

Part 1: Baal HaSulam. Introduction to The Study of the Ten Sefirot. #141.

Reader: Hello, we are reading in the writings of Baal HaSulam. In Hebrew, it’s page 800. We've reached Item 141 in the “Introduction to the Study of the Ten Sefirot”. You can find the study materials in Sviva Tova and the Galaxy System and in our websites.

You can also ask questions live through the websites. Anyone here in the study hall who wants to ask a question is asked to stand up, hold the microphone close to his mouth, and speak loud and clear. The writings of Baal HaSulam, the Introduction to the Study of the Ten Sefirot, item 141.

Reading: (00:44) 141

Now you can understand the words of our sages about the words, “Leave Me and keep My law.” They interpreted, “I wish that they left Me and kept My Torah—the light in it reforms them” (Jerusalem Talmud, Hagigah, Chapter 1, Halacha 7).

This is perplexing. They mean that they were fasting and tormenting to find the revelation of His face, as it is written, “They desire the nearness of God” (Isaiah 58:2). Yet, the text tells them in the name of the Creator, “I wish you would leave Me, for all your labor is in vain and futile, for I am nowhere but in the Torah. Hence, keep the Torah and look for Me there, the light in it will reform you, and you will find Me,” as it is written, “Those who seek Me shall find Me.”

 Question (Petah Tikva Center): (02:20) What does it mean to keep the Torah for a person who is looking for the Creator and, as he describes here, he searches for Him, incorrectly. It says, I wish you would leave me and keep my Torah. How can a person like that keep the Torah, what does it mean for him?

M. Laitman: He has reached the point where he understands that in the Torah he can find his connection with Godliness and not in any other way.

Student: He can understand because that's what's written, that's what's being said but he truly wants closeness to the Creator, personally. His desire doesn't look for the Creator in the Torah. 

M. Laitman: Well, because he has at least an inclination towards that, he keeps developing further his connection with the environment so that through it he will find the connection with the Creator – from the love of people to the love of the Creator.

Student: How will this external understanding lead him to such a deep inner transformation? 

M. Laitman: Again, it's because the light in it reforms him. If he yearns to find the Creator then, by being among people, he comes closer to it.

Student: Even though he doesn't have a true desire for it? 

M. Laitman: He has a desire to discover the Creator, maybe he has but he doesn't know how to use it. Bit by bit, by getting closer to people – meaning he works correctly in his Ten – so, bit by bit, by that, he begins to discover how he can get closer to the Creator.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (05:11) He gives two pieces of advice, here, I wish they'd left me and kept my Torah. So, what does it mean to keep the Torah?

M. Laitman: To keep the Torah means that he tries to find the Creator, to discover the Creator in everything that the Torah speaks about. That this is actually the intention, that the Torah reveals the Creator. 

Student: Meaning, don't approach the revelation of the Creator, directly? Rather, keep Him in the Torah? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: How was he given the commandment of None Else Besides Him and finding that and so forth? 

M. Laitman: This all comes together in working on the Torah; that the Torah, only the Torah can reveal the Creator to a person. 

Student: If a person just looks for None Else Besides Him in life, that's not correct? 

M. Laitman: Well, he's not going to find Him, He will not find Him. If a person searches for the Creator everywhere, wherever He is, even though it is written that His glory fills the world but it's not going to happen. Until he will realize that only in the Torah, there, the Creator is hidden.

Student: If so, then if we would now read that first article in Shamati, where he says, don't imagine that there are other forces and there's only that. And even if you think and so forth, many details about seeking None Else Besides Him. We have to take all of that and put it only through the Torah? 

M. Laitman: Yes, this is where the Creator is hidden.

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (07:39) What's the difference between studying the Torah and keeping the Torah?

M. Laitman: To study the Torah means that I study how the Creator is hidden in the Torah in everything that He tells us about. And I try to discover Him in each and every state that the Torah speaks about. 

Student: That studying, what does it mean, to keep?

M. Laitman: Also, in those same states where I want to discover Him, there, I also want to keep Him.

Student: To reveal and to keep, what does it mean to keep? 

M. Laitman: To keep, meaning that the Creator should be revealed there, that He is revealed in all of the letters of the Torah.

Student: To stick to the search?

M. Laitman: To persist in searching, that too, yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (09:07) Also, how do you do the separation between Him and his Torah? 

M. Laitman: Again.

Student: How do you differentiate between the Creator and the Torah because we receive a lot of advice, how to connect to the Ten, how to connect to mutual deficiency? There's a lot of advice but then in among that, there's also the advice of being in faith in reward and punishment and the Creator and trying to relate all kinds of states to the Creator. So, where is the border here where you keep the Torah but you don't aim at Him? 

M. Laitman: We need to study the Torah and aim that there is light in the Torah. It causes a change in our perception, in our approach, in everything such that, in the end, we discover the Creator. 

Student: All the other pieces of advice are as a means to draw the light, there's nothing else here?

M. Laitman: No, it is a means to discover the Creator.

Reader: (10:58) In the Torah, only there, is the Creator hidden. Where is it in the Torah? 

M. Laitman: In the Torah means in the light in the Torah. The Torah is the light that we need to discover through the study of the Torah.

Student: What is the study of Torah?

M. Laitman: As we study, we read, we intend that through what we are reading, the light that is in the Torah affects us.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (12:08) What is exactly, the Torah? There is the Torah which is a sequence of letters that we call the Pentateuch, let's say. 

M. Laitman: Yes, that, too.

Student: Then there's also writings of Kabbalists that we also refer to as Torah. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: That's always referring to the writings meaning, basically, the Torah is something we read, let's say. 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: When we say to search for the Creator in the Torah and you said a moment ago that means seeking the light in it.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, when I study the Torah with the friends, meaning these texts, I activate something in reality that gives us some correction, that brings us this light?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: This is called the Creator, that light? 

M. Laitman: No, the Creator is what is concealed in the Torah. 

Student: What does it mean that it disappeared in the Torah? 

M. Laitman: The source of everything, the source of this force.

Student: How does it work that when I read some text, I get to the source of this force?

M. Laitman: This is how it works on us, if we study and we want to know who is the One who is concealed in the Torah – who is the One who is speaking through these letters, these words, etc. Then we are aiming towards the One who is the source of the Torah. 

Student: In the Ten and in general, in all of our study, we deal with the sources. We talk between us and then we read from the sources. What is it about reading the text that is so powerful, makes the whole difference?

M. Laitman: We want to attain who does the Torah speak about? Who is the source of the Torah? That's it, that force, we want it to reside in us.

Student: So, the force is in the text or it's in me wanting to discover the source in the Torah? Where does the force sit?

M. Laitman: The force is in the Torah.

Student: Why isn't it in other texts? There's many texts in reality that a person could be reading all day.

• M. Laitman: That's right. 

Student: Why isn't the light there? 

M. Laitman: Because it's not there.

Student: Let's say I read these texts, just for the sake of exercise with the aim to find the Creator. Will that help? 

M. Laitman: Apparently, yes. 

Student: Even if I read texts that are not connected to the Torah.

M. Laitman: Oh, then no.

Student: That's what I'm saying, let's take some text – doesn't matter what, let’s say yesterday's newspaper – and I'll try to find the Creator, there.

M. Laitman: No, because in the revelation of the Torah, in the writing of the Torah, in the feeling of making the Torah available to us, it was all done by people who were connected with the Creator.

Student: The power they put in is in the sequence of these symbols? 

M. Laitman: Yes, that, too. 

Student: Does this thing become clearer at some point? This is the part that sounds so mystical about our work. We read text, it brings light, it makes changes.

M. Laitman: They realized when they were speaking, when they were reading the Torah, they understood how it needs to be. The way it should be served to us, brought to us. This is how we received it from them and we must not change even a single letter in the Torah.

Student: That is another thing that is not so clear: That this people, for thousands of years, copies this text, letter by letter, meticulously, that's on the one hand, And, on the other hand, as an example, Baal HaSulam took the book of Zohar that was written in Aramaic and translated parts of it to Hebrew. He made a serious change here. How does that work, how is that okay?

M. Laitman: Because it is Baal HaSulam, even when he changed things or translated the words, the content apparently wasn't harmed by that. 

Student: When a Kabbalist looks at a text, does he see some layer that I don't see?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What does he see? 

M. Laitman: If you look at the notation of musicians, do you see something there besides these points and lines? 

Student: No.

M. Laitman: No, that's it because this is how they established it and, since then, this is the only notation that is used. 

Reader: (18:55) Why life is built in such a way that there's a time when a person can be in contact with the Torah. But then there are many hours where he's in contact with the world? Why don't we always live in the Torah?

M. Laitman: Because the Torah is revealed, actually, also in more coarse garments. Such that everything that exists includes the light in the Torah, the light of the Torah and, let's say, desires that are not related to the Torah.

 

Student: What about them?

 

M. Laitman: What about them? Well, bit by bit, everything advances towards greater, more correct revelation, until it is revealed in a correct way; and it is all with respect to the person.

 

Student: When I read something from the Torah, or listen to the lesson during the day, I feel that the contact with the Torah elevates me from the corporeal world. But if that contact with the Torah doesn't exist at a certain moment, I sink into corporeality deeper and deeper. Why that dive, that plunge into earthliness and corporeality? 

M. Laitman: Because it is all one world, one reality, and the upper force is clothed in the whole of reality. And we discover it, bit by bit, from the source where it is revealed and up to the faraway limits, boundaries.

Student: When I am not in contact with Torah, I discover myself very corporeal, more and more and more. It’s exactly opposite to revealing the Creator, I am revealing the beastliness, earthliness, corporeality, and so forth. And only when I go back to the Torah, then I remember that I also have a soul, and I live for that and not for the nonsense. Why was I given what is not the Torah? What am I supposed to do with that?

 

M. Laitman: In order for you to live within these boundaries that we call corporeality and from there you will discover the Creator's relation, the Creator's influence over you, which we call spirituality. You can't, if you were born in the Torah, then you wouldn't distinguish between all of the things that are outside of the Torah. Meaning, the fact that we exist outside of the Torah, it helps us to discern, to recognize, the force of the Creator, Him, His influence over us. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to do it. It's not so simple and they don't explain it.

Student: This split between what I feel when I connect to the Torah and what I experience as reality when I'm not connected to the Torah, this split, is it normal? 

 M. Laitman: It is intended for people who ultimately can discover the divine force. The clothing of the upper force in corporeality in forms of reception is revealed to us as the Torah. If we wouldn't discover corporeality, we also wouldn't be able to discover the Torah, because the clothing of the upper force in corporeality. With respect to us, it is revealed as the Torah. Is this clear? 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (25:48) He says that all of your labor is in vain because I am not anywhere besides the Torah. Seek Me there and the light will form you and you will find Me. We're not here to study something in university, it's not an ordinary study. What is our true labor to draw the light that reforms?

M. Laitman: As it is written, it's only through connection between us. We have no other means to reach the forces in which the Creator is revealed. 

Student: How do we really check ourselves, like he warns me and all of us here, that I won't labor in vain? How do I know that my effort truly draws the light?

M. Laitman: How you relate to the society, to the Ten, let's say.

Student: He says, it is written to them in the name of the Creator. How do I approach the Torah if he says here that everything is written is in the name of the Creator? 

M. Laitman: That the one who wrote the Torah wrote it through his connection with the Creator. 

Student: All that the Kabbalists gave us here with the friends that have to do and hear what's written here, we shall do and we shall hear? Or is there anything beyond that?

M. Laitman: No, there is nothing beyond it, there is only connection and love. 

Student: How to convince a friend or how to give to the friend? We are here, as not the entire Ten, so how do I pass on to the other friends what the friends who are here got? How do we pass it onward to the friends?

M. Laitman: You can't pass to anyone what your friends feel here – how do you receive this package? 

Student: We get this package, we pass it from one to another, we raise the prayer to the Creator during the lesson.

M. Laitman: But these are things that are hidden.

Student: What is this package you're talking about? 

M. Laitman: That we can't do it.

Student: How do we strengthen the connection between us even though friends are not here? The part of the Ten that is here, how do we pass on that force that's here now, how do we pass it on to the Ten? We're going to have a zoom meeting at noon, how do we do this? 

M. Laitman: If you connect at noon, just like you're connected now, so then, let's say, here you have a complete amount, an entire, complete Ten and now you're, let's say, you’re only a part of the Ten. So, you will need to connect in such a way at noon, between you, just like the connection you had in the morning, just like the revelation you had in the morning. And connect at noon in the entire Ten, the full Ten, in order to pass on to it what you get from the study in the morning. 

Student: All that we got from the morning lesson, we have to continue to strengthen it and reinforce it in the Ten, it doesn't matter who's with us in the meeting or not. Meaning, those who were not in the lesson with us, at some point, they can receive this force from us, I don't even know what to call it. Because I want to understand how the friends that are right now, were not with us, is it possible or is it even possible?

M. Laitman: It is possible but it's not really possible on our level. The question is not really meaningful.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (31:22) Can I go back to what the friend started about the split? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: I'm also asking about how to teach it: When students come to us to study, they come with challenges of this world. When they hear There’s None Else Besides Him, and He's The Good That Does Good and there's a certain script that unfolds leading to perfection, it strengthens them, it inspires them. And then they go to corporeality with all kinds of psychological problems and struggles and feuds, and they don't feel like the wisdom of Kabbalah gives them an answer for all these places. They say, okay, I'll sit and draw the light that reforms, it doesn't solve my trouble with my mother-in-law. Now, there's also all kinds of other methods, psychological methods, that they call it the wisdom of Kabbalah, also, and there people find all kinds of happiness and techniques and practical tools for life. And so, we see that among our, let's say, 100 students, by miracle, maybe ten will stay to study with us. The question is are we supposed to reduce what we're doing in order to give them some answer as well or we just have to continue with Baal HaSulam, draw the light, pay less attention to this world? And the main thing is to connect and long for the Creator? 

M. Laitman: We are learning according to how I was taught; this means that what the Torah speaks about is the connection between people who study the Torah, who wish to reach the correct connection and then in that correct connection, they discover the upper force, the Creator, that's it. 

Student: I, for instance, hear that I don't see how any other method is seen as practical. I don't see anything practical besides what we're doing here.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: On the other hand, it breaks your heart when you see masses of people coming in and only a handful remain. And so, there's a riddle. How do they not see what we're doing? Many people come and say, okay, it was nice – it doesn't solve my trouble. 

M. Laitman: What do they lack because of which they leave? 

Student: When I ask them, they present all kinds of challenges in life, mostly between people. And we say the work is between the points in the hearts. As we say, the Creator judges the world at a scale of merit but the work is here and when the Creator is revealed, everything becomes clearer. But like the friend said, I'm in the middle of the day, in all of this madness of the day. I don't understand how the wisdom of Kabbalah answers me. I'm not talking about me, myself, I'm talking about a lot of students that just don't stay. 

M. Laitman: They still can't connect the spiritual work and the corporeal work. 

Student: So, I'm not even sure how to ask, maybe other friends will continue. So, you have to just let them go and when the point in the heart is more developed than the one, what's the… You're asking the following.

M. Laitman: Well, you’re asking the following: What do we lack in order to reach spirituality? 

Student: No, I don't feel that we're lacking, I feel like we're working, I'm just saying, let's talk about the people of Israel right now, the public. It seems like they need, they must have the Creator now, and still they listen and they say, oh, I have all kinds of psychological things I need to solve. And you see that people have a need for answers but they just want to make things comfortable in the will to receive, and that's it. So, even to just neutralize the spiritual load the Creator gives them to advance, I don't want to come out of Egypt. I want to just make sure I have a nice apartment inside Egypt. So, do we have anything to give them? 

M. Laitman: No, no, the means that we can give them doesn't help them to find an apartment in Egypt. No, this is what they truly want.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (36:37) Why did the Creator create such forms in addition to the human who looks for Him? Why did He also create forms that don't yet at least have the ability to get closer to the Creator? What are these lower forms of desire that have no connection to the Creator?

M. Laitman: There's no such thing, these are just things that we don't see, correctly. Everything that we have within us are things that are necessary for the revelation of the Creator and for the Creator to clothe in us. 

Student: We still don't know how to use all of this still, vegetative, animate and all the different forms within us that we have as humans. We don't know how to use it so that we can feel that it serves us towards the Creator. But at some point we understand, at some point it will come. In the meantime, this package brings suffering. But maybe that suffering, maybe you'll say it's for our own good for now but in the meantime, we don't have a choice but to be sorry about it. Is there a different way not to be sorry about this corporeality? The feeling is that it has no livelihood which could give us connection to the Creator.

M. Laitman: There is none indeed, there is nothing in corporeality. 

Student: So, what is the role of it for us now?

M. Laitman: In order for us to know precisely how to approach the Creator directly, that this doesn't exist in spirituality. 

Student: Meaning, this split we mentioned, it gives us a correct relation to the Torah and to searching for the Creator?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (39:00) As a result of this, I'm now asking myself, what does it mean to find the Creator? 

M. Laitman: Finding the Creator means finding the source. A force that moves me, gives me thought, inner and outer action and so forth.

Student: Now, the Torah is an instrument to find it. It's a device so where do I truly find it?

M. Laitman: You find it within yourself.

Student: Within myself? What, do I find that the letters of the Torah are written within me? 

M. Laitman: The letters of the Torah are symbols; they symbolize forces that operate when you unlock them.

Student: And these symbols only exist in the Torah, in the written Torah as we know it?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: What is the Book of Zohar? 

M. Laitman: The Book of Zohar is a story of creation written in a more revealed manner. 

Student: Because many times we feel, maybe even more strongly, in the Zohar the forces of the Creator. More than in the Torah itself.

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, I relate to the Zohar but also to this lesson as the Torah?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (40:52) If we see that many people come here but only a few remain that enter the constant study. We see that a thousand enter our campus but only a few individuals stay with us in the lessons. What does it point to, are we not okay in the way that we're conveying things, or maybe the people who come are not developed enough? 

M. Laitman: They're not looking for what we're teaching, they're not looking for it. They want some sort of success in grasp, they can grasp in their life, and we don't provide that.

Student: So, the wisdom of Kabbalah is not suitable for everyone? It's not accessible to the whole of humanity, in the end?

M. Laitman: In today's conditions, no. 

Student: Why doesn't that become more flexible, the wisdom of Kabbalah? Give them what they want, like little children: Okay? If you want something, we'll promise you things for your ego. And then gradually we will, you know, put it in there. 

M. Laitman: That all depends on the person to reach the revelation of the Creator. We have to be in other levels of the will to receive. 

Student: So, we're not compromising here on the method, we don't sell it in one way or another, giving promises. This is the wisdom of Kabbalah according to Baal HaSulam and Rabash, either you join us or?

M. Laitman: We also see the same thing with respect to us.

Student: Right, so there's nothing in the middle, no special discounts, it's everything or nothing. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: Okay, other questions that came up in relation to the text: Why is the Creator revealed only in the Torah? It says here, in the name of the Creator, that I am nowhere but in the Torah. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: We'll learn that His glory fills the world, etc., so it's not clear to me, why is He revealed only there? Why not everywhere, in every state?

M. Laitman: The upper light shines on us in different portions, it works on us, it grows us and changes us. All in all, it is called Torah, and we can attract it through my actions, mostly by the connection between us. And that upper light we then attain it as the source of light, the source of the upper force, the upper spiritual life. 

Student: It sounds as though engaging in the Torah is only restricted to the time of the lesson or reading the sources?

M. Laitman: What do we do, what do we do outside the lesson? Outside the lesson, we can take care of the relationship between us, which is very important in order to draw the light that reforms. And we could read the sources. 

Student: Again, these are elements of the sources that I engage in but if, right now I'm not in the sources, then how do I engage in the Torah?

M. Laitman: So, what is the Torah for you? 

Student: That's what I'm trying to scrutinize. Torah means to draw the light that reforms. 

M. Laitman: Okay, and what is the means to draw the reforming light? What does it mean to attract the light, to raise its illumination power?

Student: And for this, I need sources, which are the sources at the time of the study, when we sit together and study. But I'm asking about other times, how do I attract the light not through these means, which is the sources, not when I sit with the Ten, not during the lesson?

M. Laitman: Not during the lesson you still have to depict to yourself that you're connected to your friends in a complete Ten. And that you all together are aiming for the light that fills you, that activates you.

Student: This thought of mine about the friends, that I'm connected with the friends. Physically, I'm not with them. It's just in my thoughts, I think about them. This awakens the reforming light?

M. Laitman: Yes, that, too. 

Student:  That's clear, now, when we say that the Creator is revealed behind a friend, so he's revealed in other places, not only in the Torah.

M. Laitman: Yes, but where can you discover him and bring Him closer, and change by him and change him through you? How do you get to this level of partnership with the Creator? Only at the center of the Ten.

Student: Do we, Bnei Baruch, study enough Torah?

M. Laitman: What do you mean Torah? What, the Pentateuch? 

Student: The sources because sometimes I hear from friends that we're not engaging in the sources enough. We read like today, we read one item, and now we can speak about it for an hour. So, is that also considered engaging in the Torah? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So, it's not just when we see it opposite the sources, also, such a conversation like this one, questions and answers with Rav, that's also considered engaging in the Torah.

M. Laitman: Well, yes. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (48:05) To continue this scrutiny about the method and how to teach the method. Rabash, many times uses in many of his articles, he uses this concept by Rambam, that they reveal the secret to them bit by bit. And he explains that everyone should reach Lishma, but the distinction is in the time. So, what about that approach with respect to the broad public, the audience?

M. Laitman: I don't know. 

Student: With respect to the students who come to us, we can't tell them, Guys, we have to reach Lishma.

M. Laitman: We are in a kind of a trap here: Those who come to us cannot advance to the internality of the Torah, the attainment of the Creator and so forth, more than what this group advances to because it ultimately determines the spirit and progress towards the goal and so forth. So, there is a certain problem here, that we, in our idleness perhaps, if you want to say that. We are not getting closer to the Creator at the required pace, the good pace. 

Student: And this is our main problem? Nevertheless, these are very serious things you are saying, now, quite severe. But if to continue this line of scrutiny about students who want to study the wisdom of Kabbalah and apply it in their daily life, practically. For example, let's say you have 1,500 or 1,700 talks about applying the Kabbalistic principles in life from relationships, couples, health, finance – pretty much every topic in life. So, what about that? 

M. Laitman: What do you mean, what about that?

Student: It sounds as though a person can open it and he learns how to relate to things at work, how to relate to his children, how to relate to his wife, how to relate to the society, to the nation, to his money. 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: So, it comes from you. It's a true source, it draws people to the truth. So, how can we come and give people such tips, such counsels about life?

M. Laitman: I don't know what instead of the weekly portion?

Student: No, not instead of the weekly portion, I'm asking when students come and they want to hear about the wisdom of Kabbalah and how to apply it in their life, we have seemingly a lot to tell them. On the other hand, we have nothing to tell them. 

M. Laitman: Yes because we don't know how to make one more step forward unless through the connection between the friends and the Ten. These are the true, correct steps by which we will each time reveal the Creator in a correct and truthful way. But we can't make such steps step by step, so that the Creator will each time become revealed more.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (52:44) It turns out that the entire development, the continuity of the wisdom of Kabbalah depends on the advancement of our group. To what extent this group, Worldwide Bnei Baruch, can take a step within themselves towards connection? 

M. Laitman: There are other groups, as it's written, there are many paths that lead to the place, so, I don't know. I am trying to pass on to you the principles that I received from Rabash. There are other places who study; please, you can visit them, try them, then come back to us – everything is open.

Student: I am asking in relation to the fact that we want to bring people closer to us, we want other people to enter this wisdom. If, in the end, a person's ability to develop and reach a state where he will sit and study on a daily basis. So, how can we reach the masses?

M. Laitman: I don't know, I don't put before me such a goal of reaching everyone.

Student: So, what is the goal you have? 

M. Laitman: I see how Kabbalists who existed until this generation, also, heard about it, and wanted it. And maybe even worked on it to some extent, but it didn't happen, it didn't happen for them to do such actions of connection and revelation of the Creator. 

Student: So, what do you place ahead of you, before you?

M. Laitman: I put before myself only to give to you what I have over to you; and through you to anyone in the world who wishes to.

Student: You don't have any calculation about growing and expanding. This is not something that you take into account?

M. Laitman: No, to me personally, no because I know that all these calculations can be realized only by a large number of students.

Student: Should we take into consideration expanding?

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: This is what I'm asking about: What is our way of expanding if eventually, in order for a person to develop spiritually, he has to sit down and study and be with the sources. In the end, he needs to have a Ten, also?

M. Laitman: I don't know, I don't think that spiritual development depends on how much we sit and study. But rather how much we want to be connected.

Student: So, I don't manage to understand, how does it fit with everything we spoke about the Torah so far, that the Creator is in the Torah? 

M. Laitman: That in the connection between us we'll reveal the Torah, the letters of the Torah, and then we'll know what it's about. Then the light of Torah will dwell within us, and thus, we'll be able to shine on others.

Student: We can pass on this method without giving people the source, without giving them the study?

M. Laitman: No, and we do.

Student: So, we do reach the study in the end. That's my question: If we want to expand, and the other person reaches the study. This is what I'm asking about, how can we bring so many people to study?

M. Laitman: I don't know. I don't put before myself such goals.

Student: The approach should be that we are doing it, and whoever wants to join us, they'll join us.

M. Laitman: We do, to the extent and ability that we're able to do, then the rest is the upper calculation.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (57:50) On the one hand, I didn't quite get it, we want to take from you Rabash's principles, and the method, and pass it on. You're saying, I don't place before me such high goals to reach everyone, etc., this is my method, etc. Isn't it your goal, should it be our goal, or not? We follow your line, so it shouldn't be our goal also? 

M. Laitman: Our goal needs to be the complete, final Correction. 

Student: Okay, that's high, I'm asking about now, right now, for us?

M. Laitman: To disseminate the wisdom of Kabbalah.

Student: In the dissemination of the wisdom of Kabbalah, what is our approach with respect to the broad public? Our method is tense, studying the sources, things that are very clear and that's it. If you want to, you can join it, if you don't want to, don't.

M. Laitman: No, not that's it, to expand these things. 

Student: What do you mean to expand them? 

M. Laitman: That like this place, you'll have a thousand other places in the world.

Student: What is the principle of this place? 

M. Laitman: That people come and study, and day by day, with meals and other things that they need to be more and more connected. That's how we have to do it.

Student: So, duplicate, replicate, Bnei Baruch? 

M. Laitman: Let's say.

Student: Now the whole principle of Bnei Baruch is that one starts living only when he has a Ten?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, the study, with respect to the broad audience, we should channel them as quickly as possible into a Ten.

M. Laitman: Well, you can't pressure them.

Student: Without pressure? 

M. Laitman: To the extent that we're getting closer to him, he also receives an explanation.

Student: In the first few years, as I understand it, the approach was less about Arvut and connection, but first of all, they need to study and get things into their brain?

M. Laitman: Because you can't give to a person who just comes the principles of Arvut and connection; it's opposite to his nature. 

Student: The organization today is built on the principle of connection of Tens, so there's seemingly a collision, here. You can't hold on for a long time without a Ten, and yet, very quickly, it leads you into the Ten. Either that or nothing. So, this is what I'm asking: What should we do, should we develop additional frameworks that will hold people who are not in a Ten, or it's the other way around? This generation is more developed, and we should put them into Tens as quickly as possible and give it to them as a mirror before your face.

M. Laitman: I don't think you'll be able to do that. 

Student: So please direct us, what will success be?

M. Laitman: Success is ultimately to go according to the desire that the Creator develops in people.

Student: According to the desire He develops in people? What kind of desire, people develop a desire for themselves?

M. Laitman: To the extent that these desires can be connected, aimed at their role.

Student: The person wants to be opposite towards the Creator, he doesn't want a Ten, he doesn't want connection. So, should we follow his desire or what we determine? 

M. Laitman: You can't do that because there's no continuation to that. 

Student: Obviously but you tell him that there are such conditions in order to reach the Creator, what he wants, but then it repels him. So, I'm trying to see, I mean, this transition is very quick and it repels people. And they are kind of ejected from the system even before they actually get it. 

M. Laitman: So, there's nothing you can do, that's it.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:02:14) There are many people that I meet that are truly attached to us. They watch the lessons, if they can, in real time, like now, and otherwise, they watch the lessons during the day. They have a lot of sympathy towards us, they even watch the noon lesson. But they don't have a Ten, they don't even want it. Like we said now, like the friend described, there are students who studied with us and didn't continue. The Ten doesn't speak to them, it's not suitable for them but they do stay attached to us. They hear you, sometimes they meet me and they say, why are you not doing what Rav is telling you? They even criticize us, “on the level of yesterday, I heard Rav say this and that, why are you not doing it”? Truly like that, does that mean that they're studying with us?

M. Laitman: Yes, yes, it's considered that they're studying with us even though they might not be sitting here but at home but they're studying with us. They have some criticism, they have some desire, they're listening. And as they listen, they do some actions this way and that way.

Student: Does the light work on them? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: They can be like that for many years, dozens of years. And they won't come to a congress or to any of our events – maybe once in a while they'll buy a book but you will not see it in the corporeal world in some form the way it is here. But they're still advancing and the light works on them? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: So, how should we relate to them?

M. Laitman: Keep them the way they want, they have a place to be here if they want, or at home. That's their decision, their choice.

Student: Meaning, not to pressure them in any way, “how come you don't come”? 

M. Laitman: No, no, no, no, of course not.

Student: It's our whole message that everyone should be here, sitting in their Tens. It's for those people that it's suitable for them, only those who want it?

M. Laitman: Those who choose. 

Student: If they are watching us now – and I know that they are watching us right now – what will be considered advancement on their part? Such a person is sitting at home now and he says I do want to advance in some way.

M. Laitman: What's his goal because we're asking about advancement? Advancement towards the goal. 

Student: I assume that if they are watching us for so many years, they very much want to reach the Creator; there is nothing else here that's interesting. 

M. Laitman: What will that give him, what does it give to him? The Creator is the source of life, the center of life, the center of bestowal, of connection. It's all opposite to us, to human nature. If a person understands that he must gradually change himself through prayer, through forcefully, through exercises and playing to become closer and closer to a person who truly wants to resemble the Creator. Then one must enter a group and realize what Kabbalists write to us.

Student: But he didn't do it for many years and probably won't even do it. 

M. Laitman: So, what do you want from me, then?

Student: I'm asking how will he feel that he's advancing? Is it just black and white, whether I'm in a Ten or not in a Ten, or maybe…?

M. Laitman: Maybe he'll advance in feeling that he's not advancing. That maybe for ten or more years he's listening to us like that from afar.

Student: But his heart, he says, “I love Rav, I love the group, you're doing wonderful work. People even say, without you this world wouldn't exist. You are doing something amazing here, I love you so much.

M. Laitman: I've heard that, so what? It doesn't mean anything, he feels good like that, in short. Apparently so. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:07:10) I have to say about it, Rav. I also know it really closely. People who sit and want to advance from home, they want the group to advance, they want us to advance because they feel that they depend on our advancement. They want us to break through, go forward more and more. So, this is why they have criticism, they have a lot to tell us because they want us to advance, because they depend on our advancement. And we need to understand that also, that the connection between us and them is that they want to push us forward because they by themselves can't do it. They need us to break through for them and give them the light in such a way. I saw it and I felt it in myself during times when I used to watch the lessons back from home, when I was at home 10-15 years ago. You want the group to advance, you want more and more because you want the group to draw the light. So, can you get some benefit from it, even if you are sitting at home?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:08:22) About the deficiency during the morning lesson, how can we increase this deficiency? Now we are talking all the time about Lishma, we want to advance towards the Creator. How is it possible to increase the deficiency during the morning lesson because those people who get up for the morning lesson are the most special people, they have the strongest deficiency. I feel that the whole Ten is sitting with a certain nucleus of the Ten. Maybe we can gather all the Tens together during the lesson. There is a feeling that if I just sit with my Ten, we need to be the people of Israel opposite the Creator. We need to be a group. 

M. Laitman: So, your question is only about quantity?

Student: Yes, we have a certain amount of friends with the strongest deficiency in reality, these are the people. We need to think about how to gather all of these during the lesson and be as a group opposite the Creator, not just some small number of Tens. 

M. Laitman: It depends on you; if each of you would project, outwardly, a great desire for the Creator, for the final Correction, something that relates to the correction of the world. Then the whole world would feel that and would be operated by a higher force. 

Student: I feel we are capable of it, it's just that seemingly we're so directed into the Ten. Sometimes the Ten can lower your deficiency because some friends come, some friends don't. But those who come here every morning, they have this deficiency, we just have to collect it from lesson to lesson, from day to day, to really turn it into one soul that is crying out to the Creator.

M. Laitman: Try to set it up, I'm ready.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:10:52) I want to go back to the previous topic, and maybe say it like that: It is written that the end result is in the initial thought. Can we deduce from that that the direction and way of life of a person is defined to begin with according to the root of his soul? And this is why there are only a few individuals who are students of Kabbalah who come every day? And others just pass through us, and there are many others who don't even come here. Can we see it in such a way? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: But, on the other hand, it is also written that there is a matter of time. There's this sentence that, even the maiden can see things on the highest level; meaning, this is the situation as it is now. There is a fixed course according to the initial thought. But we can accelerate things because in the end, everyone has to know the Creator. So, our work is to accelerate the times but not just mine personally but everyone's? 

M. Laitman: That's okay.

Question (Latin One): (01:12:09) In what moment does the reforming light shine on a person?

M. Laitman: A moment where the person is engaged in Torah, then the light in it reforms him, shines on him. 

Student: There's no particular moment or particular action that he performs, then we can say that the light starts working on him?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Women 39): (01:12:46) Is it only that when a person asks for the right things, only then he receives an answer? Only then does he draw the light of the Torah? 

M. Laitman: Not necessarily.

Question (Africa): (01:13:01) It is written that the Creator exists in everything and He's everywhere? Or is the Creator only in a specific part of creation called the light of the Torah, which of the two? 

M. Laitman: The Creator is in all of creation, from one end to the other; and in general, to Him there's no such thing as some better forms or lesser forms. Rather, all of creation, all the worlds. To Him, He fills up all the worlds.

Question (Ravadim): (01:13:56) We have a few tools in order to find the Creator of faith, prayer. How do we use these devices, correctly, what comes before what? 

M. Laitman: First of all, prayer is the closest to the person, it also comes through some deficiency to us. So that's first, prayer. Then, after prayer there is faith, and after faith there is corrections, already. 

Question (Women PT6): (01:14:39) We heard we need to take care of the relations between us outside of the lesson. What does it mean to take care of the relations between us outside of the lesson?

M. Laitman: To be connected among you.

Student: You talked about the complete correction. What does complete correction mean to us, to the students? 

M. Laitman: That the whole vessel will be open, all the parts of the vessels are connected to each other, indefinitely, and accordingly, they are filled with the light of Torah. 

Question (Latin 2): (01:15:24) It's written that we find the Creator in the Torah – I heard that the Creator is behind the friends. So, what does the Torah say in relation to the friends for the Creator to be found, there? 

M. Laitman: If the group is correctly connected among themselves in mutual bestowal, mutual intention to help one another and be incorporated in one another, then the upper light passes through them and connects everyone. 

Question (Women PT6and Moscow 6): (01:16:10) What are we lacking in order to come closer to the Creator in the right pace? 

M. Laitman: Desire, other than desire, there's nothing. The Creator, too, operates on us according to her desire. He awakens the desire, changes the desire, corrects the desire. Or seemingly compels us to perform corrections on the desire in us, and then fills our desires according to their deficiency.

Student: So, when it seems to us that the pace isn't right, so it's the opposite? It's the Creator awakening us to want more, to awaken our desire? 

M. Laitman: Well, I would say that we are lacking desire. 

Student: So, where do you attain more of a desire? 

M. Laitman: If we want to attain it, that's something else, you're jumping to where do we get it. Imagine that if there were an open store selling desires, how many would go into it? People all over the world want to satisfy desires, not to buy new desires. 

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:18:06) What is the connection between the desire and the deficiency? Is it the same thing or maybe it's not the same thing?

M. Laitman: A desire is something more permanent, more constant. And the deficiency that is felt in the vessel is what moves the vessel, it's felt as a deficiency.

Student: So, to ask for the right deficiency or to ask for a desire, it's different things? 

M. Laitman: Different things, yes. A deficiency is a lack and a desire is, there is a desire.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:18:52) The wisdom of Kabbalah according to Baal HaSulam's definition is the revelation of His divine to the created beings in this world?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Now, we said in this lesson a person finds all kinds of desires, better or worse. And you can say that that's the raw material that from that we need to build a system where the Creator is revealed in this world?

M. Laitman: No. There's something to it but it's not like we need to build out of our desires higher desires in there reveal the Creator. 

Student:. Eventually, what the friend said, a person comes and searches for something when he feels bad, in the relationships, mainly between people. So, if we explain that there's a method that tells you, take those feelings and desires and the things that aren't so good and use them correctly in a group – the same things you feel in your life, your regular things. If you try and implement them, correctly, and connect it to the Creator, then He gives you all these things. So, in the method you'll learn, you'll see how you solve your problems in life. So, eventually, it should be revealed in this world, right? The Creator has to be revealed in the relationships in this world, and the Torah explains how to build it. What is the Rabash Torah: We're learning how to build according to what a person feels in this world, to direct it, correctly, into the group and build a vessel worthy of revealing the Creator, right? 

M. Laitman: Yes.

Student: Can I explain it in that way? 

M. Laitman: You can, you can.

Student: How is it revealed in this world afterwards, how should it be revealed? The Creator has to be revealed specifically in this world? 

M. Laitman: Yes. 

Student: How to explain it?

M. Laitman: The greatness of the operations of the Creator is not that people raise themselves higher and higher and they reveal the Creator. But it is actually that in their lowly desires, their regular mundane desires, they reveal Him in all of His, in His full essence.

Student: It's like Baal HaSulam writes in The Last Generation, that in simple actions in this world, even to bestow, that's how it's revealed?

M. Laitman: Yes.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:22:00) What's the difference between a desire and a yearning?

M. Laitman: Desire is a desire and yearning is more than the desire.

Student: It's known that you're in front of me in this world, and in the upper world, it's the Creator in front of me. So, the question is does the Kabbalist before us include all the chain of the Kabbalists that came before him? 

M. Laitman: I don't know.

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:22:38) Continuing the friends, we have the group of Petah Tikva, friends that have a big desire come and study every day. And we have friends studying from around the house, from their home. Maybe we don't know about all of them but I guess there are a lot of them. And we try and build, according to what I understood, we thought to build more circles around the group of Petah Tikva according to people's desires. So, we built the groups called the Points in the Heart, it's people, it's more convenient for them to come once a week to connect and that's it. We give them a tutor, and my question is this: This group, according to what I understand, has to get bigger and grow but that doesn't happen. People finish the campus studies, and we thought they'd come and study but somehow they don't. According to spirituality, is there like a place, a layer, I don't know how to call it, another, an outer circle. Should there be more circles of studies according to spirituality? 

M. Laitman: I don't know about circles but people who feel comfortable coming once a week, that too is respected, respectable. 

Student: But why doesn't it grow? The people that come once a week, exactly those people – the once a week people, doesn't hold.

M. Laitman: There's no one who awakens them.

Student: We awaken them, they have a student from Petah Tikva.

M. Laitman: Who sees them once a week and speaks to them once a week.

Student: Well, workshops.

M. Laitman: And it's probably not enough, it doesn't warm them up, Clear?

Question (Petah Tikva Center): (01:24:52) I'll continue that, I teach a few years in the circles of people who finish the beginner's courses, they reach the group of the point of the heart, what the friend mentioned. And there, we recognize, as opposed to the people from the outside, they're in their Tens, they love their Tens, they live in the connection with the Ten. What happens, here, in our studies, they connect to a lesson, it's too intensive, here. They know the Rav, they're connected to the Rav to a certain extent, they're connected to the lesson but not in an obligatory way. And I feel that as a system, we are trying to pull them to that thin line. Now, you said you don't warm them up enough and we see that many times when we try to warm them up, it rejects them, and gradually those students leave us because they feel pressure from us to pull them into us. Is there a place to not want to pull them in all the time but let them keep their framework and whatever they want? They're in daily contact with the Ten, they talk to the Ten, they connect to the Ten. They read some excerpt Baal HaSulam and Rabash  once a week, twice a week, and they connect to your lesson. Not online, offline during the day when they feel convenient. Is there a place for such a connection without that connection to constantly feel like a push on our behalf to join in what's happening, here, because this push, we see that it dilutes the groups because they feel we're pressing on them. Because as a system, there's like this undercover pressure, come and be a part of us. What's happening here, that's the path to the truth, we hear it's only this way. So, it's in our subtext when we study here constantly that only here you advance. We don't let them be who they are according to their desire. Is there a place for their desire or is it right and healthy for them to always feel pressure to advance towards here? 

M. Laitman: Yes and no, there's no answer.

Student: No answer? 

M. Laitman: Try to do all kinds of exercises but light so you don't lose people in the course of these exercises. 

Student: That's what we're doing, we're playing with it, we do those easier exercises. But what happens is that gradually the percentage, like the friend said before, from 1000, if ten come in, it's a miracle that they gradually join in and even join our Tens. On the other hand, there are bigger percentages that find themselves outside of that group as a result of the pressure, so is that right? 

M. Laitman: No, that is incorrect, we must not lose people. They are still at some level of connection with the Creator, with corrections, and you're causing them to drift away. It's a big mistake. 

Song: (01:28:43)