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Daily Lesson (Morning), March 26, 2024.
Part 2: Baal HaSulam. Introduction to The Book of Zohar. #31
Reader: We are studying the Introduction to the Book of Zohar, Item 31. You can find it on the sites.
M. Laitman: (04:21) Questions? Actually it's clear. Next.
Reader: (04:26) Item 32: “The third division is the work in Torah and Mitzvot…”
M. Laitman: (07:28) Questions?
Student: (07:29) He says there are a chosen few who were given this work while still alive in this world. The question is, he says ‘also’, meaning is it possible that it doesn't happen when they are alive in this world?
M. Laitman: Usually no. More?
Student: (08:00) Not everyone is rewarded with receiving in order to bestow, only a chosen few?
M. Laitman: No, it's not written everybody or not but those who are rewarded, they can be rewarded while alive in this world, and the rest, except for those few already after when they reach the next world.
Student: Concerning the phase of hell that the ARI writes, that they howl as dogs, Hav Hav, give give. Is it a necessary phase before Lishma?
M. Laitman: Oh, let's say so.
Student: Now, concerning the confusion with the maid of holiness which confuses a person so that the Lo Lishma, the not for her sake, will not bring him to Lishma, for her sake. In what is the confusion, what does she tell him?
M. Laitman: In the place he's in. All the confusion is about a person who gets confused about the state he's in.
Student: She tells him that the Lo Lishma will not bring him to Lishma?
M. Laitman: Right.
Student: How can a person come out of such confusion?
M. Laitman: That's a matter of being rewarded. He needs to try and check his actions in his final stages or his last stages and see where else he could correct.
Student: Can I ask another question?
M. Laitman : Yes.
Student: The work in the third division which he writes is Lishma. Are there drops to Lo Lishma as well?
M. Laitman: Again.
Student: When he works in Torah and Mitzvot/commandments Lishma, is there also a matter of coming from Lo Lishma to Lishma there as well?
M. Laitman: No, he's already in Lishma.
Student: He's already moving from Lishma to Lishma, what's the difference there?
M. Laitman: There are degrees, there are different degrees in that same part of Lishma.
Student: When he rises from degree to degree to what state does he fall?
M. Laitman: It could be that if he falls so according to his deeds, I don't know.
Student: I'm asking what is the difference between Lo Lishma when he still doesn't have work in Lishma and when he falls from Lishma, when he already has Lishma but he falls from it, to where does he drop?
M. Laitman: To Lo Lishma.
Student: There too there is Lo Lishma. What's the difference between having Lo Lishma when he already has Lishma and Lo Lishma while he's still in Lo Lishma?
M. Laitman: It depends what depth he falls into. It depends to what depth. If I was in a degree of Lo Lishma and I fall in Lo Lishma lower so okay, that's clear. If I'm in a degree of Lishma and I fall from Lishma to Lo Lishma, so also it depends where I was and where I'm falling to. What's the question?
Student: Both are called Lo Lishma?
M. Laitman: Yes, but there's a big difference. Why are you looking at me?
Student: If I understood, I wouldn't ask.
M. Laitman: There's people living in this world and they have all the best of this world and they don't know what else to want and there are some that hardly have anything. So there are different degrees between one and the other. Also here, there are degrees in Lo Lishma and degrees in Lishma. Okay.
Student: (12:52) Can we position the revival of the dead in 125 degrees, where is it? Is it toward the end of corrections or near the middle?
M. Laitman: That ladder of degrees, what is it for?
Student: To invert all the desires from reception to bestowal.
M. Laitman: Well.
Student: When all of the will to receive awakens to the revival of the dead, he says there's more work then, so it's not clear to me if it's actually like the final minute of the correction or that afterwards many more corrections begin?
M. Laitman: The work starts anew.
Student: Okay, fine. Another question regarding ‘when I remember Him, He doesn't let me sleep.’ I understand that he doesn't always remember it, but when he remembers it, He doesn't let him sleep. Is this a situation? Why when he remembers it, He doesn't let him sleep? What is this about this feeling?
M. Laitman: He's on such a degree that he can enter a state called sleep, dormant.
Student: But this restlessness, what does it mean that He doesn't let me sleep?
M. Laitman: Yes, let's say it's a lack of calmness.
Student: The greatness of the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: The greatness of the Creator?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: (14:35) Rav, there's a question I need to understand because we've been studying it very often and it's not clear. The end of correction, is it when a person has completed bestowal in order to bestow 100% or is it already receiving in order to bestow?
M. Laitman: Receiving in order to bestow.
Student: The end of correction is when he inverted this exaggerated will to receive as well?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: In the state when he only rises, as you read in a soul of holiness, when he bestows as much as possible within bestow in order to bestow, what is that state called? What is that point?
M. Laitman: It's still not the revival of the dead because he didn't start from the degree of dead.
Student: Basically, the main work of correction is not in this world because this is only a chosen few. What is in this world?
M. Laitman: When he thinks he's in a body and in a world as we are and in this way he also exists in this reality, he's also in the upper reality.
Student: It follows that if a majority of people don't achieve correction in this world, then they have to complete this work in the next world from what I understand here. Baal HaSulam says that there are a chosen few who make these corrections in this world but as a rule, most people will do this correction in the next world?
M. Laitman: No, they'll have more opportunities, more opportunities.
Student: It'll happen in this world anyway. A person during his physical life will have to correct the exaggerated will to receive?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: What does it mean when Baal HaSulam says only a chosen few will do it in this world?
M. Laitman: That there are such that can correct all their soul to the last detail while they are still living in this world.
Student: From what I understand it can't be any other way. Only in this world will it be possible to correct even if it's in the next life. It's only in this world if I understand your answer. Only in a state where a person feels his body, and he thinks he's living in this reality, only in this state can we complete our corrections. This is what I understood from you?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: In any case only while a person is in this world can he perform all the corrections. Here it says that only a chosen few will do it, so it's not clear what it means. Where are these corrections done? What is this world, what is not this world? There is a confusion here. The terms are confusing.
M. Laitman: There are souls that finish their corrections in this world, all corrections and don't need the incarnation. There are souls that complete them through all kinds of other states.
Student: It's no longer when they feel themselves here in this world in the body? It's like a different life?
M. Laitman: Yes, they don't belong to that same desire called the desire of this world.
Student: (18:57) Is it possible to bestow upon the Creator not through another person? Is there such a thing?
M. Laitman: Could be directly.
Student: Can there be bestowal upon the Creator through others or is it always through the turn to others in this world?
M. Laitman: To bestow to the Creator can only be done through others.
Student: By bestowing upon a friend?
M. Laitman: Right.
Student: There is no other way to bestow to the Creator, right or is there?
M. Laitman: No, the Creator is behind your action towards the other.
Student: If I understand correctly, Lishma in the end is a calculation. I do something and I have to calculate who will get the benefit, the gain from this action?
M. Laitman: Lishma means that you want to do good too and to begin with, you don't feel that he's a part of you.
Student: Yes, let's say it's a friend?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: That's the intention, but there has to be some sort of an act. You can't just imagine that he'll be happy, I need to do something and then calculate and reflect?
M. Laitman: When you want to do good to him that's already an action.
Student: Even if I don't do it?
M. Laitman: You don't have what to do. In spirituality there aren't things to do. It's only to connect to the friend's desire and in that desire to try and bestow and fill him.
Student: Yes, that's in spirituality. That's why in corporeality it's difficult to imagine an intention without an action. This is why we have the body so we can work with them and then they can think?
M. Laitman: Yes.
Student: It's also a challenge to make this calculation, usually we're not even aware of it. It doesn't reach our consciousness. So hence the question, does it have to be an act in our world or you can simply?
M. Laitman: There has to be an action in our world. That's why we feel the bodies of the others and we need to try and bring them some kind of, let's say, a gift.
Student: That's what I'm trying to understand. The bottom line is, I'm with the friends, that's in the best case scenario when I'm advanced, I'm with them only during the lesson. Afterwards, I read an article if I get a chance to, So the only bestowal I can give them?
M. Laitman: You have throughout the day.
Student: You have throughout the day people work?
M. Laitman: Where is their intention, where is their heart?
Student: Yes, but we just said that there has to be an action. An intention is something that disappears in a second. You can't maintain an intention without an action.
M. Laitman: Well, at least something.
Student: I'm trying to understand. We're sitting together for three hours, so what is my bestowal here, what does it mean to bestow to the Creator through the friends here?
M. Laitman: When you sit next to each other, one next to the other at the table and you want to be as one man that sits together now in front of the teacher let's say, and along with the teacher and all the other friends in front of the Creator.
Student: Now I'm sitting and I'm thinking I want to be as one man with one heart and this is regarded as bestowing upon the Creator?
M. Laitman: If you want it.
Student: Of course, I don't want it. How can I want it? To be as one man?
M. Laitman: To be as one man with everyone and from that one man his desire is all directed towards the Creator.
Student: Intellectually I want it, I heard it's good but in my desire, no.
M. Laitman: Try, aim your heart, aim your heart means desire and then you'll see.
Student: In our state this is called Lishma, for her sake?
M. Laitman: It could be that you'll get such a correction in your desire that it will be Lishma.
Student: (24:16) He's talking about the revival of the dead when the exaggerated will to receive awakened. The will to receive is not spoiled in and of itself, the intention on it is spoiled, that's what I understand. What awakens when the vessels of reception are reawakened?
M. Laitman: The will to receive in order to receive is resurrected and demands ZON and then the work begins.
Student: In other words it is the correction of the intention that used to be?
M. Laitman: Of course it's the intention.
Song: (25:54)