Morning Lesson May 12, 2022 Transcription
Transcription is made from simultaneous translation which leaves a possibility for differences in the audio
Baal HaSulam. "Study of the Ten Sefirot" (TES). Vol. 1. Part 2. Chapter One. #6 ("What connects all the circles together")
Reading Item 6 (00:24) (01:06) Twice
1. R. (01:40) Yes, what do we have to scrutinize down below.
Continues reading (01:46)
2. S. (04:22) Here at the very beginning it says that the line connects all the circles together. Why is there such precision here that the line connects all of the circles together and what are the circles? I mean in this specific excerpt what does it mean? Why was it written that the line connects all the circles together? What can we take from that to the ten?
R. Circles are the Creator's attitude towards us, that's how He relates to us through circles because for Him it does not matter small, great, successful or not this is the Creator's attitude towards us it is simple that is why it is called circles. It is like how a mother relates to all of her kids: she loves everyone, there is no distinction she wants to give to everyone with all of her heart. And, the line is already determined by the lower one; how much the lower one can receive the influence of the upper one and be in connection with the upper one.
S. But what is it? Is it a gradual matching of ours and our relation to the Creator?
R. This is the extent to which you could be in connection with the Creator that is Kav, line and circles is the attitude of the Creator towards us regardless of the reaction from us.
3. S. (06:14) Do I understand correctly that the line connects the circles through the reflected light?
R. Correct.
S. He writes that the Keter of straightness connects to the Hochma of circles. Why is it that the crown of straightness connects with Hochma ?
R. Where Keter of circles ends from there the line extends until it reaches Keter of Hochma of circles. The line connects a circle to one another. We will get into it soon.
4. S. (07:14) You said that the circles are the general relation of the Creator towards us. How in this general relation can there be a cessation?
R. As much as we wish to connect to the Creator accordingly we connect in circles. Circles are the creator’s attitudes towards creation, lines are the attitude of the created beings to the Creator, roughly speaking.
5. S. (07:53) It is entirely unclear the first three Sefirot of straightness on the one hand it’s straightness and on the other hand they are round in their relation to the ten Sefirot of circles?
R. The three Sefirot of Yosher, have none of the limitations of the line and that is why they can be in complete contact with the circles.
S. But what separates the first three Sefirot of Yosher and the ten Sefirot of circles?
R. The three Sefirot of Yosher still belong to Keter, Hochma and Bina; they have no limitations in them even though they are already a line. That is why they are included in the Sefirot of circles and there is no difference between them. There is, but later we’ll learn about all those details. The lower seven Sefirot of the Yosher leave entirely the nature of the circles and that’s how they below them, lower in importance.
6. S. (09:18) following the restriction the light departed from all of the phases so how is it possible that a thin line can actually feel a circle?
R. The light comes now after the restriction through the line only.
S. But what kind of ability does the line have to fill the circle?
R. The line fills a circle the difference between the line and the circle in the line is the style of filling where in the line I feel the line only to the extent to which I can be aimed toward the Creator just like he is towards me mutually and then the line opens up and gets filled, whereas the circles is under the control of the upper upon myself and I cannot do anything there. So, it turns out that after the restriction the line fills the circle.
7. S. (10:36) Maybe it is a silly question but it seems like this speaks about the processes of circumcision. Is that related?
R. I do not understand what you were asking. There is no connection.
8. S. (11:22) What does it mean: to stop in an empty place between Sefirot and what the line connects between the Sefirot of the circle?
R. There has to be a cessation between one Sefira and another because each Sefira has its own nature, its own force, its own desire, its own bestowal, it's all from the created being. Hence there is a difference between one Sefira and the other, this one sweet and the other is sour and they both want to bestow, but each in its way, in Its measure.
S. How does it happen that vessels of the straightness connect them?
R. The vessel of the straightness connects between the vessels of circles in order to bring the bestowal not that light; it cannot be the same line but rather the bestowal that shall connect from all the forms that can be brought to the circles. Eventually to the circle of Keter.
10. S. (12:36) the three first Sefirot of Keter of the straightness are also considered Rosh, so could there be a connection with the circles at the Rosh of the Partzuf?
R. The connection of straightness is in the Rosh of the Partzuf, yes. Keter, Hochma and Bina of each of those discernments belong to the Rosh as well and to the circles.
11. S. (13:18) If the line is the attitude of the created being to the Creator so it looks like the line should have been built from above downwards and not the other way around.
R. You are right that the created being as he builds himself towards the Creator, but how does the created being awakened from below if he does not get the bestowal from the Creator above?
12. S. (14:04) How do the ten Sefirot of circle clothes GAR of straightness? What does it mean?
R. They are unlimited, hence they have the same form. Do not try to do this geometrically, this enters and that exists from the right and the left, try to do this in a qualitative manner. What in their qualities are equal? And then you will see that there is a connection between them. That is it, otherwise if you want to arrange it in a drawing it will not work out for you, it will always be a mess there.
13. S. (15:05) Changing something from one form to another is called commutation. Does this have anything to do with this process?
R. Soon that is something that we will learn.
14. S. (15:25) Can we say that based on our state we should resemble the circle or the line?
R. We need to resemble the line or the circle, yes. Let it be so, as long as we resemble the upper. It is best to resemble the circle but to implement the circle we can do only through the line, through the restriction, the screen and the reflected light. By which we fill the circles.
Reading item 4 (16:16)
15. R. (20:42) We also see in this world where water enters water so we have let’s say in places of the sea where the river enters the sea, so the river's water does not mix with the water of the sea. It is like a different nature and that is how it is here too: We have circles and the light of the circles and we have the line and the light of the line enters the circles, it goes through and in itself it goes through, it does not have to cancel itself over there and disappear there.
Reading continues: (21:28) “The reason for it is…”
16. R. (22:05) That is on one hand, on the other hand we could say that all the first light was the light of the circles, the circles emerged first, yes. Then from them already discernments took place, discernments of restriction and straightness. But in relation to our correction of course the line precedes the circles, as far as the Upper Providence the circles proceed the line and as far as the response to the Upper Providence the straightness does precede the circles.
17. S. (22:40) Maybe I am completely confused but when we talked about equality that is free and goes to any place the Nekudot of SAG, is there a connection?
R. Do not confuse us, be a little bit patient.
18. S. (23:06) You said that the river joins the ocean and does not disappear there and we pray every day to dissolve into the ten that appears in adhesion and dissolve there. So what happens? What kind of dissolving needs to happen in the ten?
R. General Mutual bestowal, but not that you disappear there. Don’t worry you will not disappear in the ten and what will be altogether is this integral connection of complete integration that will take place by the upper force that comes.
S. Still but nothing is left of me, of my I.
R. Of Course it remains, how can you say that?
S. My ‘I’ is selfish, it is egoistic.
R. That is not important. It is not important that you are egoist. The ego, the angel of death becomes the Holy Angel and all those things will be inscribed to your merit, to your name specifically as much as you receive it from above and try to battle against it and you couldn't, and nevertheless that remains yours.
S. So what changes is only the intention?
R. Yes, “and the angel of death will become a Holy Angel”.
19. S. (24:46) You gave an example about water that does not penetrate each other. Is that similar to the atomic mushroom where the light and circles and the line and the connection between the circles?
R. I'm sorry, I do not want to talk about that. As far as a nuclear mushroom it is not worth it for us to even evoke such forces. I'm very happy that now we are in such a period of time we are in relations between all the countries and in between us where nuclear matters are gradually coming off of the agenda. Countries stopped warning each other and threatened and the pressure of who has more and who has less. We benefited greatly from this war in Ukraine from the matter of our nuclear relations. That is really good, it is good. Coming down from this whole scare, this whole pressure. Humanity is gradually understanding that this is above its height, above is elevation and really it is too bad that Einstein discovered what he did.
20. S. (26:50) In the text it is more or less clear that the circles shine as the light shines but how does it happen or what is the cause or the order of actions that lead to it?
R. First there are circles and then lines, because circles to begin with is the relationship the attitude of the Creator towards the created beings from above dowd, that is the circles. The limitation in the form from which the creature can resemble the Creator, that is the line; and here between straight-line and a circle we can learn how in the expansion and mutual relationship that they can come to a mutual bestowal between them, how through the line I can come do adhesion, to that same form of the circle like the Creator.
S. The confusion is that we can say that first of all the Creator attitude is first and we try to relate back to Him through the ten. According to the text I understand that the circles only shine if the light shines, so we determine the order. Why does it begin with us?
R. The order is such that the Creator who gave the created being the ability to restrict the bestowal of the upper, the restriction of the bestowal of the Creator meaning to perform a restriction. The Creator gave the created being the ability to illuminate all of reality only through the decision of the created being to the extent to which the created being can be an equivalence of form with a Creator and by that opens a line and the upper lights can illuminate.
21. S. (28:59) It sounds like all this movement between the line and the circle has to do with any of the corrections that the will to receive makes, is this correct?
R. Correct. Of course everything depends on the lower ones. The Creator prepared everything grew the lower one, created the system of laws and everything and then gave it all to the lower one, so that the lower one will grow and learn from the blows from the caresses from above, through all kinds of things so the lower one will learn how it really needs to behave relative to the upper one, and to come to such a state in which it will eventually become like the upper one; where it is all by the lower one hands and the lower one fills all of creation. Where the lower ones would even build the Creator as it is written “You have Made Me”.
22. S. (30:24) Yesterday you said that you don't want to draw the diagram. Are we free to draw as we feel and perceive it according to the content of the writing or should we refer to the existing diagrams?
R. However you want. I am not limiting you in any way. I just saw that throughout life Rabash was very cautious from drawing. On the one hand because he was not accustomed to doing so, he didn't learn in a regular school, he didn't learn the wisdom of diagrams and drawings. Do you understand? Therefore he didn't have any approach to that, but he also didn't want to, he didn't want to. He wanted to explain everything emotionally with words, so that from those words you build in you inside of you, forms, pictures; the way these forms equalize, come closer, distant, are Incorporated and all of that emotionally, because all of spirituality is clarified in emotions, in feelings.That is what he wanted to do. So when I would bring him all kinds of drawings of my own he would kind of relate to them like for a beginner it's okay, but actually he didn't give too much respect to that, he didn't respect that.
I remember myself wanting to truly do an album of diagrams, whole books that exist only from diagrams and in the diagrams I can explain everything there is: From the restriction and the line and the triangle and the square and the circles and the straightness, and the relations between all to all. It is all understood with your eyes, but later I saw that it is all not good because it takes a person to an external field of this drawing and this disconnects you from the inner field which is the drawing on the soul that you need to draw, which is where a person exists and where the group exists and where the Creator is, and there in one’s heart, in one’s feeling, he will build all those relations between him and all those that are outside of him, the creator and the created beings. And therefore I left that behind and let go of it. Do you want to go through my same journey? It is long and confusing and other than that there are so many people now around the world, thousands of people each will start drawing. What will we get out of that? We will not get out of it. I recommend t you to truly only draw drawings that are emotional, with the feelings only and not to draw it ever on a piece of paper.
23. S. (34:22) How come the line fills the circles and on the other hand does not mix with the circles?
R. Because they are different lights. The light of the line that enters the circles, this light begins to be received into the circles in a different way, just like in a circle. But the line that enters the circle remains a line.
24. S. (35:05) I have a desire to understand what is missing in the quality of the light of Hassadim from below so that it is called reflected light.
R. That is not a simple question. The light of Hassadim has several degrees in it: There is that light of Hassadim which comes from the created being not wanting to use his will to receive and has been dependent on what desire he does not want to use, and it then turns out that we have the lights of Hassadim which fills the discernments, from all the discernments that the created being rejects, repulses the upper light, wants to be in bestowal towards the upper light by now receiving from it. Then it expands to the created being a light that is less than the light of Hochma in a more lowly and fills it and that is called the light of Hassadim. Therefore also in the light of Hassadim we have degrees, because also the light of Hassadim spreads as a result of the using of a desire, only such a use that is in not using the will to receive but to be neutral of what desire to not receive. And also in the light of Hassadim we have NRNHY, if we could say it that way, we have five degrees of the light of Hassadim .
25. S. (37:34) Is the line and circle, do they need to be equalized in form and what are the conditions for that?
R. The line and the circle need to come to a state where there’s no line and there’s no circle but rather it is all one.
S. What does it mean that the circles preceded the line?
R. That is the attitude of the Creator to the created beings; The Good Who Does Good to all His creations.
26. S. (38:13) Why do we learn strong desires appear that disconnect us from some inner reality? When we learn strong desires awaken in that detaches us from some inner reality, from this wisdom?
R. I understood well.
S. Why did this happen?
R. Because our will to receive disconnects us.
S. But we are learning this wisdom?
R. I don't understand.
S. If I understand correctly a student is asking why when we study TES the material desires arise in us that detaches us from this unique reality that we are learning about?
R. Because we are learning about desires and bestowals and the light inside of them and therefore we are getting more confused here. It is the material that sorts us and the way it sorts us also confuses us. It always happens when we start this part.
27. S. (40:03) Also about the approach, you say that we build the Creator ourselves so is it possible that the line builds the circles from below upwards but along with that you say not to make diagrams, not to make it as specific as that. We hear that the light of Nefesh is only in the circles, Ruach is only in the line. I'm trying to understand this emotionally.
R. You need to draw this in your feelings. If I have a circle, what is a circle? That I relate to everyone equally. What fills the circle is called the light of Nefesh. Try to draw it in such a way, so that you will develop yourself this way, prepare your vessels. Otherwise, you want to receive an impression from spirituality and put it in geometry? Into drawings? Corporeal drawings? What would you get out of that? You want to draw a schematic of the soul? You won't be able to do it and you also won't be able to later establish it or stabilize it in any way.
S. I would like to receive from you more emotional examples like Nefesh is that light that is equal towards everyone, like the mother towards the children's. What is Ruach then?
R. I don't know. Read the definitions that you have in the explanations to the meaning of the words there and then you will understand from that what to do.
S. About the approach. If we build or depict the Creator in the wrong way it will not be built? In every ten there should be a Creator of her own but compatible with what is written in TES?
R. Yes.
28. S. (42:23) You wrote a book that is called ‘Attaining the Worlds Beyond’ and I read that book at least 15 times. There is a part that you explain in the book that the diagrams are important because they are closer to the heart, hence closer to the heart when you draw something special. I hear that something changed from that time to this time. Why is the drawings need to be emotional? From what you used to explain in the book was from the heart?
R. Kabbalists throughout the generations also drew many drawings in a very short and concise way tried to explain to us without many words the point of the matter. In the drawing it comes out much shorter. You look at the drawing and there's a certain way of understanding immediately but you want to talk about it. Whereas in words when you want to explain that circle it can be very much longer through a book, etc. The thing is that we remain inside the drawing and we don't want to move it to the feeling. Therefore what remains is this wisdom in a more external way. It doesn't touch our heart, it doesn’t touch those inner points of ours. We must come to a state in which this wisdom will play on our feelings and not in intellectual forms. Is that clear?
S. What you are saying is that there is a change of paradigm from those times and this time. Now we have to stop with the drawings and begin to feel them?
R. To start feeling the drawings, yes correct.
Item 5 (45:04): “Any expansion of the upper light…”
Item 6 (46:28) “The illumination of...”
29. R. (46:48) That is clear according to the nature of the vessels, this extends and this becomes round.
Item 7 (46:54) “Meaning phase four in the circles”
Item 7 in the words of the Ari (48:00): “Each and every…”
Item 8 (48:50): “You can understand...”
30. R. (51:04) Yes, therefore in Keter there are all of the ten Sefirot.
Item 8 (51:09) “ hence by this way…”
31. R. (54:29) This means that we always have ten Sefirot, the question is how much we have from above downwards and from below upwards but in each Sefira there is always its own inner ten Sefirot and essentially each and every Sefira is, its content, its intensity and how much it holds from above downwards and from below upwards. From above downwards it has the Sefirot of light from below upwards the Sefirot of the Kli. If we can put it like that it is not actually precise but that's actually what it is about. From above downwards how much it's held and from below upwards how much it shines.
32. S. (55:35) Why is there a division to the upper three and the lower seven and sometimes there is to GAR and VAK, the upper three and the six?
R. That is the same, I wouldn't go into differences right now. ZAT and VAK that doesn't matter so much.
33. S. (56:03) If the line doesn't enter the circle then the circle does not illuminate?
R. The circle itself cannot shine. This circle can function only if it's connected to the line.
34. S. (56:33) What does the scessation between the circles teach us?
R. They are different lights and different vessels accordingly to discover these different lights. I recommend that we conclude this part. Let's go to item eight of the Ari.
Item 8 (57:04): “In each and every circle...”
35. R. (58:24) That this middle point which is our world, the center of all of creation and as if towards this circle all the development of all the circles from Ein Sof to the Sium is aimed. This circle is nevertheless dark and is incapable of anything by itself but when it begins to be influenced from above and to change then it begins to receive everything that is above it.
Item inner light 10 (59:04) “The closer it is…”
36. R. (01:01:11) Meaning, that the line sets all this direction to us from above downwards and also from below upwards and the circles cloth it, they hang on it like you would hang some decorations on a tree, that's the matter of light and circles that each one has its own function but the inter relation between all of them constitutes the relationships between the created being and the Creator. That's it with these we have concluded this part two of TES.
37. S. (01:02:06) Something principal about the diagrams you just said, we have many friends that are teaching new students in campuses. They're asking whether it has to do with teaching new students, to avoid diagrams?
R. I don't think so, no. You have to see and you have to check. For beginners I would teach the way we used to teach with diagrams, with different graphs and so on because that gives them a better visual grasp but for advanced students like us we want it to be as it says carve it on your heart, meaning on your desires and your emotions that all the circles and lines try to direct your feelings and motions, inner thoughts, inner world, try to arrange that by way of circles and lines and the connection between then and then you'll see how it will take you to a more correct inner connection with the Creator's world.
38. S. (01:03:40) Can we think of the ten, the souls in the ten are for me circles the relationship from the Creator towards me and my attitude towards the ten, to my souls, is my attitude to the Creator and that's a line?
R. Yes very well, you can depict it that way even though it changes from time to time but you can look at it that way.
39. S. (01:04:15) What are vessels of straightness?
R. The vessels of straightness are desires to receive arranged by the restriction and line. Phases root, one, two, three, four. When these desires operate only with the ability to overcome.
40. S. (01:04:42) It is written in item three the lower seven Sefirot of Keter of straightness connect the ten Sefirot of Keter of the circles with the ten Sefirot of Hochma of circles. What is between the circles where there is no seven Sefirot of straightness?
R. What is in the circles when there is no Sefirot of straightness? Okay let's say this happens then there is no fulfillment there, no fulfillment.
41. S. (01:05:25) Is there a bestowal of light from above downwards which evokes the circles that are arranged according to their importance along the lines?
R. Again.
S. Is there a bestowal of light from above down that fills the circles so they are arranged according to the importance of the lines?
R. Yes, that's exactly how it happened.
S. If Malchut is the reason for the existence of the structure, what is the process here, does Malchut need to become a circle and then a line?
R. Malchut basically becomes Keter because it basically fulfills or gives room or confirmation for all the vessels of the circles to be filled by the light.
S. But does Malchut become a line or a circle?
R. Malchut becomes Keter of the line, Keter of reflected light.
42. S. (01:06:34) Is it correct to think that we are building a line in the ten in our efforts to connect even though there is rejection and resistance that is revealed?
R. Yes yes yes. This is all from the same group, these questions?
S. This is from Nahariya and before it was from Chile and before that another ten.
R. Very good women. I didn't hear such wise questions from the men. Very well.
43. S. (01:07:08) If the Creator relates to us through the circles and the circles have no screen how can the line, our attitude towards the Creator, work between us in the circles when they have no screens?
R. Because we, by the screens, build a relationship of bestowal and through that we identify with the circles coming straight from the Creator. It is like the host and the guest.
44. S. (01:07:40) By building the attitude towards the Creator From Below upwards the created being creates new vessels or discovers existing vessels?
R. The will to receive created by the Creator is what he created, the will to bestow we will get it from the light to the extent that it exists in the light. Our whole work is to connect with the other, the will to receive which comes to us from our nature and the will to bestow which we can draw from the light and tie it to ourselves. That's basically our work, so we have to always try as much as possible to draw, attract the will to bestow from the Creator and cover the will to receive with it, until they become equal. That means that each time we work in a complete manner.
45. S. (01:08:55) But the vessels we attain in this work, are they new vessels that we create or do we discover vessels that already exist that we did not reveal before?
R. Typically it is new vessels, usually.
46. S. (01:09:11) Is Baal HaSulam trying to give us this text emotionally like Rabash?
R. Yes, even more, even more. Baal HaSulam is very emotional and the issue is just how he is presented to us. That he wants us to accept it in a precise manner as much as possible and then each one according to his impression, his emotional impression, then this is how each one discovers it.
47. S. (01:10:00) What's the difference between the light of Hassadim and reflected light? Are they the attitude of the Creator to the created beings or what's the difference?
R. The light of Hassadim is the light that comes from above downwards from the awakening of the created being to resemble the Creator, to be like the Creator, however the reflected light comes from the awakening from below upwards, meaning that the created being wants to become, come back to being similar to the Creator, that's why it is called reflected light. Even though both are lights of bestowal there cause is completely opposite, one comes from the Creator, the other one comes from the created being.
48. S. (01:11:00) Is attainment what we get after the filling of the vessels of circles by the line?
R. Yes you could say that. It is not all the time and it's not so unequivocal but basically yes. The general approach here is correct.
49. S. (01:11:29) Is the transition from Circles to line possible to be done through annulment in the ten in the intention to receive in order to bestow?
R. Maybe again.
S. Is the transition from Circles to line possible to be done through annulment in the ten?
R. Yes and in general by annulment towards the ten a person can make all kinds of forms. It is like we see in ice skating, how people can do all kinds of shapes. So, that's how in our attitude to the group that we are in, like sliding on ice we can create all kinds of shapes in our relation with the environment and make all kinds of shapes both circles and lines and the connections between them, that's how it happens.
50. S. (01:13:00) The moment we leave the correct intention, do we get thrown from the line into the circle and become similar to all the people?
R. Yes.
51. S. (01:13:43) We feel many changes lately where the awakening is from the study of TES so the question is how to be more adapted to the system of Adam HaRishon by unification of the feelings in the ten, how can we attain that?
R. By making an effort to do all kinds of actions even if you understand how to do it or not, like kids who look at adults and they do the same even though they don't understand why and what they are doing exactly and what for but they do it because they mimic the adults. This is how we have to try to make all kinds of actions that could be silly or incorrect but when we do it, naively, we innocently, we do advance towards spirituality and then we begin to feel and understand it. Entering spirituality is like entering corporeality in the sense that from your actions we know you. We need to do actions, like with kids they do and do things and then they look at you and they do things, they do more things and so on. Same with us in spirituality we have to do all kinds of actions that the Kabbalists are writing to us about and we should do them mindlessly, without our corporeal intellect, let it go because it cannot help you in any way to rise to the spiritual world. We just need to learn from our intellect one thing, to see what Kabbalist demand and require and fulfill that and try to fulfill that, that's it, and the levels and degrees are always organized in a way that what I read with my internet, with my strength whatever I get from it is sufficient for me to rise to a higher level even though I have nothing of the higher level but if I want to rise to the higher level I discover that I have the ability. That's how it happens. Because before I am here in the lower world there are descendants that come all the way from Ein Sof to this world. So, the effort in this world is sufficient for us, meaning in my state, in order to rise to a higher degree. All I have to do is try and follow what they say. I can't, I'm incapable, something is broken, something's not working. It doesn't matter. I still go and do it. The most important for me is to read what they say and try to follow it, which is exactly the same as what happens in this world.
52. S. (01:17:21) If the restriction was the reason for the creation of all the worlds then why isn’t there a screen, why isn’t there just one screen just like there is one restriction whey isn’t there just one screen that raises above all the…?
R. How could it be one screen? For every desire there is a different kind of screen and intensity. How could it be?
S. But the first restriction is kind of a cascading from above down so it's like one act of the Creator so why isn't it one act from the created being’s side that raises everything at once?
R. You don’t discover that state that you can rise to, how can it be that the same state that you are aiming to rise to, now you can imagine it? You can't even imagine the adjacent spiritual degree. It is just like it happens with little kids.
53. S. (01:18:46) What is the difference between the Sefirot downwards versus those that are going from below upwards?
R. That is the difference of cause and effect. Cause and effect from above downwards and the incorporation of discernments from below upwards.
54. S. (01:19:22) What is the connection between our world and the circles and is our role to be a line?
R. Our role is to work on the line so as to achieve the form of the circles.
55. S. (01:19:38) What is the connection between our world and the circles?
R. No connection. At the end of the corrections we will fill our world with discentments that are more and more similar to the circles.
56. S. (01:19:54) How to work correctly throughout the day with the materials that we are learning in the lessons, meaning the introduction, the forward and TES. Should we do workshops? Should we talk about these materials?
R. Yes, it is worthwhile to discuss it and workshop it and whatever you want. At least to read what we read in the morning from the part of TES and that of the articles, now it is the forward to the book of Zohar and so on, so whatever you read is actually good.
S. (01:20:36) What is not worthwhile to talk about?
R. The main thing we should talk about is the connection between us, everything else is secondary. To begin with we are gathering, as to achieve an actual connection between us only.
58. S. (01:21:06) What can we take from the study of TES to the work between us throughout the day?
R. I would go back to the interpretation of the words, maybe. Think about it so it's realistic, in order to not waste time so that something stays like a possession in the group.