Part 2:

Baal HaSulam. The Writings of the Last Generation (Part One)

1. S. (02:59) About the necessities, how can a person find what his necessities are?

R. That without it he just can't do without it.

S. No matter what it is?

R. It makes no difference not at all. This is his necessity.

2. S. (03:25) What does it mean the great revelation that will only be revealed during the days of the Messiah?

R. How the world should behave and conduct itself in order to be in congruence in harmony with Nature's forces.

S. The separation between what is necessary and the rest to give to the others that is the big revelation that will only..?

R. Yes, because it all depends on man. Man is the zenith of creation; he is the one who spoils creation.

S. What is the great revelation here? It seems simple, why is he calling it the great revelation?

R. It sounds, not simple, because a person has to feel how much he is the harmful part. The redundant part of creation if you can put it this way, And without him all of creation will be one system and he is the only one that brings into all of creation such great corruption.

S. I think people understand that human nature isn't good?

R. Yes, but how can we make it so that either nature erases us, the Creator, or we do not erase ourselves but correct ourselves as if we are not cleaning reality from man but add to reality the good positive human force.

S. And we are not close to it today, that state?

R. From where? We do not even have the recognition of evil? Of course we are not close, on the contrary we keep moving further away from it. We still do not understand or feel that we, specifically we, are the ones who are corrupting all of reality.

S. Maybe not on this level, but people understand that the Earth can't stand our behavior anymore?

R. And yet we continue.

S. What are we lacking?

R. Recognition of evil. There's nothing else.

3. S. (06:26) It is also not clear, this question we can maybe answer this way, that the great revelation is that we understand that by taking more than the minimum without understanding we are harming?

R. Yes.

S. Because creation is perfect and if we will succeed all of us to understand that is why we need this unity. If we all understand that we take the minimum creation will take care of us and as long as we do not get it by not trusting the system or this idea we are harming it and we do not understand it?

R. Yes, yes, fine. 

S. What will give a person confidence that today he buys a building in corporeal possessions to promise his future, what will be his confidence in the corrected world?

R. He will see that by buying all kinds of things in this world he is not gaining anything, but rather his confidence he will get it from being in balance with nature, with all the forces of nature. 

4. S. (08:01) About necessities, I feel that every necessity a person determines for his own and it changes, it is not constant it is depending on the spiritual development?

R. Yes.

S. As much as he adheres to the qualities of the Creator changes?

R. Yes.

S. Not every regime can force or determine necessities for someone. Is it something a person has to determine for himself?

R. Of course.

S. You can't force that like a just society, there is not someone who will determine it?

R. Yes, he will talk about it afterwards.

5. S. (08:39) He starts the article by saying that the basis of my entire commentary is my will to receive and printed in every creature which is disparity of form of the Creator. Now there is this big obstacle between the text and the direction that Baal HaSulam wants to give us to a very big part of the public that does not even acknowledge this thing called a Creator doesn't think that this thing exists. How do you make the leap?

R. We will read and understand what he means and let us not jump right at the first line.

6. S. (09:23) He writes that necessities aren’t disparity of form.

R. Yes.

S. So can I say that the ten is necessary for me?

R. We will check it later. Let us read the article.

Continues reading. (09:50) “I have already said.…”

7. S. (13:35) How to depict this form correctly, what is he writing about here that the Messiah teaches the nations of the world how is that realized?

R. The Messiah is the revelation that will come to people and they will understand and feel why they developed, for what purpose and by what, and then when they feel it when they understand it they will take upon themselves the new order of development.

S. And how should that revelation take place?

R. Perhaps through all kinds of actions but in the end it will be clear to people that where they are it is incorrect to development.

S. Will it come as a result of some explanation or an inner awakening?

R. And internal awakening first and then explanation.

S. It will come up this way that suddenly people start waking up?

R. Yes people will start to understand that they are developing incorrectly and then they will search and demand to have an explanation or where they are where they're developing and by what and for what purpose Etc., they will see that this path is incorrect. so it turns out that incident efficiency it turns out that into their deficiency new explanations will come and they will be able to grasp them.

S. I understand that prior to this revelation has to come some very big recognition of evil?

R. Yes, great suffering.

S. Then what is expected to be revealed in humanity is great suffering that will bring them to recognition of evil?

R. Yes.

S. Where are we in this picture?

R. We are in the beginning of this recognition of evil.

S. Where are we in terms of humanity towards this horrible state that needs to be revealed?

R. We are discovering that we are in a process that is a spiritual development, our spiritual development the whole world too but on a different level a different measure and we have to discover how much this path should be revealed as suffering unless we change the way we develop the reason for our development.

S. Meaning at what point of recognition do we need to be until this evil will be revealed what we have to be in?

R. We have to feel ourselves as entering the process that is very dangerous, very complicated so that we can show ourselves as a so we can find ourselves being in a process where we are losing ourselves, all of us.

S. That is humanity?

R. This is humanity, including us.

S. Including us?

R. Including us.

S. How will that recognition of evil come to us?

R. By suffering, and by suffering not because we are incorporated with humanity but because we cannot save them. We will feel how responsible we are hell because we are not revealing to humanity the reason for this decline this deterioration and then we will have a chance to achieve our correction, tell everyone that there is a method that doesn't come just like that but is already prepared and we have to come to what is called Jerusalem and study this method.

8. S. (19:05) What is jerusalem?

R. Jerusalem is a place or a spiritual source from which we receive the knowledge about our development.

9. S. (19:35) What does a gentile mean or Goy in this text?

R. The translation of the word Goy is a nation just a nation, sometimes it's real or called Goy Nation, sometimes a holy nation with Israel.

S. How can a Messiah teach a nation if there is no tendency to bestow?

R. This we will learn what he writes further down.

S. I don’t understand the definitions of Betoh or Akishena or hastening the times. If Kabbalist sees that humanity is deteriorating and a big blow is going to come?

R. A Kabbalist knows many things, what, didn’t he know about World War II? Did he know about other things? he did, the question is was it within his power to do something?

S. Baal HaSulam wrote about it and nothing came out of it, or maybe yes, I don’t know. According to what we see, so no. What is in our forces to do right now when we know a blow is going to come? I see a child is going to get a big blow, so what can we do?

R. You warn him and take care of him and show him how dangerous it is and then he should do something else.

S. But the child is deaf, he cannot hear.

R. Then there's nothing that you can do, there's nothing you can do, you still try, try to make it so that the harm will be the least.

S. I don't know what hastening the time because this is at its own pace until he doesn't get to the blow he will not hear?

R. No, it is still a question to what extent you are advertising and opening up the method of correction showing yourself to the world so that maybe they will need you.

S. That is the action on our behalf to publish this? But the audience cannot hear, they will not listen.

R. The public, what can you do with a child? The child behaves in a childish behavior.

S. Something here does not work?

R. Of course, it is not working but we have to continue as much as we can in order to nevertheless close the gap, diminish, minimize the gap between the Torah and the nation.

S. Where's the connection that there will be some kind of harmony between us explaining the public hearing, working together can that even happen, should we expect this?

R. Yes, it has to be but there are a few stages before we get to it.

S. Until we get to these stages what should we do, just publish one way whoever hears can hear?

R. Yes. We have to explain and advertise in any way we can that there is no choice. This is the road that is ahead of us and it is leading us to such a state, and what we can do to prevent it from happening. We need to explain in every way.

10. (23:31) How can we explain that everything depends on a personal person, because if it is nations, I'm waiting for the nation to stop the war and not press on people?

R. No, everything begins from the individual and depends on the individual.

S. How can you grasp that?

R. If you look at all of reality you will see from history that everything begins with individual people.

S. Individual people but what he writes here is that if a person, if we explain this to someone or read it to someone he should understand that his decision to only take the necessities can change all of reality?

R. Yes.

S. How does it work?

R. We need to learn what are you asking me, we need to learn, there's more to learn, he says that without it nothing will come out.

S. Can it motivate a nation to work differently?

R. Yes.

11. S. (24:39) A state of chaos and war in the whole world we feel it is coming, won’t they want to see some kind of model of this working that there is an ideal society?

R. What ideal society? Where have you ever seen it?

S. No that we could build a model and say look here it works.

R. I don't know, I don't know. I need to try as much as I can with whatever I can in my limited environment, concrete environment, specific environment. I need to build something. A number of people will know what the correction of the world depends on and how to reach the end of correction in a quick and acceptable way.  

12. S. (25:45) How can it help if a person will fix the nations of the world within him, in other words speaking about perception of reality, that all of reality is in me?

R. So?

S. If I don't correct the nations of the world inside of me what can I expect from the world?

R. I do not know, we will learn, we will read what he writes here. 

13. S. (26:19) Why did the Creator make me so lazy and the rest of the world to chase their desires?

R. What the Creator does we do not criticize, do not scrutinize, we simply need to know in what direction we have to develop. What the Creator did he did afterwards, we have to understand that we will discover that everything we did is very good.